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Marlene H. Phillips

Posted: August 20, 2009 05:01 PM

Obama Confronts Misinformation About Health Care Reform, Back In Campaign Mode

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On Thursday afternoon, when President Barack Obama entered a room of 50 volunteers, with thousands watching via webcast, he was greeted with the campaign cry of "Yes We Can."

The President smiled, then removed his jacket and rolled up his sleeves. The symbolism was clear; that catchy phrase helped get us here, but now we need to work for it.

In a speech and Q&A session that lasted over an hour, Obama spoke to members of Organizing for America (OFA), an almost entirely volunteer organization charged with mobilizing the campaign's grass roots strength into a fighting force for health care reform. Before Obama spoke, the Deputy National Director of OFA rattled off some impressive figures to show just how well they were doing: OFA boasts 1.5 million active members who organized 11,906 local events across the country and collected 231,572 personal health care stories. Perhaps the most impressive statistic, and possibly the one with the greatest long term impact, concerned elected officials: OFA members have made 64,912 visits to their local Congressional offices, far outnumbering the protesters screaming at town hall meetings.

Those screeching protesters were on the minds of just about everyone who spoke. Virginia Governor and Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine led off the session and spoke of opponents to change resorting to "very extreme measures...rudeness, bizarre tactics, shouting." A Twitter-submitted question from Phoenix, Arizona spoke of "too many lies, like death panels" and asked the President "where is it all coming from?" adding: "America deserves to know the truth."

While the president's demeanor and words were reasoned and measured, he didn't shy away from addressing "those lies." Speaking to the question of where they were coming from, Obama said, without hesitation: "We know where these lies are coming from. I don't think it's any secret." He held out an imaginary remote control and continued, "If you just flick channels and stop on one," and he paused as the crowd nodded and chuckled a bit grimly, "you'll see who's propagating this stuff."

In the same calm way that he handled the talk of him palling around with terrorists, the President dispelled the lies one by one. "No plan covers illegal immigrants; let's dispel that. No plan is going to revoke existing prohibitions to pay for abortion. Nobody has proposed anything even close to government takeover of health care. Nobody is talking about getting between you and your doctor."

Obama was at his strongest as he destroyed the myth spread by the former Governor of Alaska: "As for this death panel idea, that's an interesting example of how misinformation spreads." He reminded the audience that Republican senators had proposed the exact same idea, of helping seniors pay for end of life counseling. "This used to be a sensible thing that everyone could agree on. It was once bipartisan," said the President. "For it to suddenly become death panels, that's just irresponsible."

Obama faulted the media for their coverage of the health care reform discussion, saying that by focusing on the few loud voices they were ignoring many others."You have twenty sensible town hall meetings, but if there's one where there's screaming you know what's going to get on the news. One loud voice can drown out all the sensible voices." When OFA volunteers are hosting those nearly 12,000 events to discuss health care reform Obama acknowledged that "the TV cameras aren't there." But he also reminded those in attendance that this is nothing new. He first recalled the reaction to the Iowa primary during the presidential campaign: he had the audience smiling as he recalled the "hand-wringing and teeth gnashing" that went on "when all of Washington said (his campaign) was over." He also recalled that it was about this time last year when the Republican presidential candidate selected his running mate, reminding them that some pundits were saying "Obama had lost his mojo." Obama joined in the general laughter and increased it when he added: "Something about August going into September, where everyone in Washington gets all whee-whee'd up."

As with many of his recent town hall appearances, President Obama made no new announcements. Most of his speech was a reiteration of the desperate need for health care reform ("Fourteen thousand people are losing their health insurance every single day... Health care costs are going up three times faster than wages") and a repeat of the basics of his position ("I think a public option is important, it helps keep insurers honest").

But if there was news made today, it was not in what President Obama said but how he said it. On display was the same steely determination often visible during the campaign but that some supporters thought the President lacked of late. When a person in the audience asked if (considering the level of rhetoric) he was still going to try and get bipartisan support for health care reform, the President reiterated that he was still committed to getting a good product that included Republican ideas. But he acknowledged the difficulties, saying Republican Senators working on health care reform "were under enormous pressure not to engage in any negotiations at all." But his final statement to the question left little doubt as to Obama's main priority: "My obligation to the American people is to get this done."

When the President completed the Q&A session the crowd once again spontaneously erupted with "Yes We Can." And the President himself seemed back in campaign mode as he curtly nodded his head and said, "Let's go get 'em."

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On Thursday afternoon, when President Barack Obama entered a room of 50 volunteers, with thousands watching via webcast, he was greeted with the campaign cry of "Yes We Can." The President smiled, ...
On Thursday afternoon, when President Barack Obama entered a room of 50 volunteers, with thousands watching via webcast, he was greeted with the campaign cry of "Yes We Can." The President smiled, ...
 
 
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billhodges
Self Reliant Yet Charitable
07:18 PM on 08/21/2009
By JIM TOWEY
If President Obama wants to better understand why America's discomfort with end-of-life discussions threatens to derail his health-care reform, he might begin with his own Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). He will quickly discover how government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care.

Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."

Who is the primary author of this workbook? Dr. Robert Pearlman, chief of ethics evaluation for the center, a man who in 1996 advocated for physician-assisted suicide in Vacco v. Quill before the U.S. Supreme Court and is known for his support of health-care rationing.
11:13 PM on 08/21/2009
In regards to the VA:

In regards to the public option:
The President has said that the public option is just one option, is just a facet, a sliver of health insurance reform.

That doesn't mean it can be broken off. That doesn't mean it isn't essential.

You can't take a facet off a jewel. It's an inseperable aspect of the thing.

The public option is optional in the sense that Americans have the option to pick the public option, but they also have the option to choose their own private plan.

As the public option doesn't have to spend money on such matters as executive compensation, the private plans will have to become more competitive - better service, less waste, lower costs.

You don't even have to take any insurance option. You can choose not to have insurance.

The job of the media is to make mountains out of molehills and use semantics to derive any possible translation of language that best fits their story.

There will be no health care reform without the public option.

With respect,
Alex Brant-Zawadzki
Regional Communications Coordinator
Organizing for America
11:15 PM on 08/21/2009
In regards to the VA:
In a 2006 American Customer Satisfaction Index report on the Department of Veterans Affairs' medical system, veterans rate their VA care much higher overall than the general population rates its hospital experiences. Vets consistently give VA doctors and nurses high scores for responsiveness (83 out of a possible 100), courtesy (90 out of a 100), and "respect and dignity afforded patients"

In regards to the public option:
The President has said that the public option is just one option, is just a facet, a sliver of health insurance reform.

That doesn't mean it can be broken off. That doesn't mean it isn't essential.

You can't take a facet off a jewel. It's an inseperable aspect of the thing.

The public option is optional in the sense that Americans have the option to pick the public option, but they also have the option to choose their own private plan.

As the public option doesn't have to spend money on such matters as executive compensation, the private plans will have to become more competitive - better service, less waste, lower costs.

You don't even have to take any insurance option. You can choose not to have insurance.

The job of the media is to make mountains out of molehills and use semantics to derive any possible translation of language that best fits their story.

There will be no health care reform without the public option.

With respect,
Alex Brant-Zawadzki
Regional Communications Coordinator
Organizing for America
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TomDegan
Author of "The Rant": http://www.tomdegan.blogspot
02:09 PM on 08/21/2009
From my brother Jeff....

“As an American who has been living in Europe for most of the last 20 years, one who has visited doctors numerous times in four different countries, whose two children were brought into this world in European hospitals (France and England), who has himself spent a week in a public British hospital, and who underwent an operation in a private British clinic, I think I can say a thing or two about health care in Europe.

“Our out of pocket expenses for the births? Zero, even though in France my wife spent 5 days in the hospital after the birth, which is standard, by the way.

“During the three years we lived in England, we never once paid for medicine for our children. Visits to the GP are free for everybody.

“My expenses for the week in the NHS hospital? Zero.

“The cost of the operation in the private clinic? Zero.

“In Western Europe you would never be forced to sell your home in order to pay for your medical bills.

“In short, in the US, you pay more, get less, and die younger than we do in Europe. What part of that don’t you understand?

“My fellow Americans, you have nothing to fear except those who would use fear to keep you enslaved to the myth of the might of the American health care system.â€

Jeff Degan

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com
04:36 PM on 08/21/2009
You mean to say that the people that work in hospitals are all volunteers and work for free? And the builders of the hospital were volunteers and built it for free? The Suppliers to the hospital all work for free etc...? Wow what a deep thinker.

The price you pay comes in the form of TAXES.

What happens when the COST of your wife giving birth goes up? Either the Taxes go up or the treatment is scaled back. So that means that when the taxes are maxed out you are screwed.

Why? Pivate Practice is outlawed, so you have zero choices.
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billhodges
Self Reliant Yet Charitable
07:29 PM on 08/21/2009
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
09:27 AM on 08/21/2009
Why is anything that disagrees with your opinion now called "misinformation"?

According to Obama's op-ed in today's paper, he is focused on 4 things:

1) If you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of high-quality, affordable coverage that will stay with you whether you move, change, or lose, your job.

No one can argue with this as a goal. But he doesn't say how it can be accomplished. It involves the "public plan" which is going to be subsidized by the government. Where is that money coming from?

2) Bring "skyrocketing" health care costs under control by cutting "waste and inefficiency" in Medicaid and Medicare and "unwarranted subsidies to insurance companies".

Again, this seems like a great idea, but does it requires new legislation? If there is waste and inefficiency, isn't there already someone in charge who should fix that?

3) Make Medicare more efficient and make sure it doesn't just "enrich insurance companies".

Ditto on the good idea. How does Medicare enrich insurance companies? This implies raising premiums, lowering the coverage options, or lowering the amounts paid for care - which are already lower than doctors can bear in most cases.

4) Add new regulations on insurance companies related to pre-existing conditions, removing caps on payouts, coverage of preventive care and screening.

If the bill was just about this, it would already have passed. No one can argue with the need and sense of this kind of reform.
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
09:29 AM on 08/21/2009
Why isn't this three different bills? 1) new regulations on insurance coverage, 2) reforms (?) to Medicare to keep it from going bankrupt, and 3) a new government-run health insurance administration.
09:23 AM on 08/21/2009
Why continue to try to spin this favorably for Obama? The people don't want it, period. That's NO LIE.
10:55 AM on 08/21/2009
Funny, over 50% of Americans want universal health care. The devil is in the details. If the health Insurance Corporations were not lying to the American public the people would want it (in fact, if you poll people on "Obama's health care plan," it doesn't get 50% support, but if you tell people what is in the plan, support shoots up 15%).
Don't believe me, check 538...
12:40 PM on 08/21/2009
Anyone who doesn't want health care reform is either listening to misinformation and propaganda and believes it, or has not had health care issues YET. By issues I mean either a serious catastrophic illness or dealing with skyrocketing, out of orbit insurance and out-of-pocket costs.
We are a nation of health care serfs. I am sick of being a health care slave. Life is more than health care. Life is more than paying all our disposable income to health insurance companies! What a scam!
If a catastrophic illness hits you or your family, that's it. Eventually you will be ruined. If you are no longer able to work and must pay COBRA costs to maintain your health insurance, it is out of this world. Is that all there is to life? Working solely to pay insurance and drug companies?
I submit too that most of the naysayers are social security and medicare recipients already. Please shut up and accept your GOVERNMENT-sponsored programs. Anyone who doesn't have a Living Will already in place is ignorant and asking for trouble and pain at the end of the line.
04:42 PM on 08/21/2009
I can't believe it. All you care about is yourself. Talk about greedy Insurance companies...you want me to pay for you? THAT IS GREEDY AS HELL.

Are you an Atheist or an Agnostic?

Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution? Natural Selection? If so, maybe we need to cull the herd a bit. We have too many sick stupid people on this planet.
08:25 AM on 08/21/2009
As I watch the town halls being held around the country, I am struck by the blatant hypocrisy. Firstly, the majority of folks against the public option that I see on television appear to be senior citizens who already have a public option, called Medicare. In what parallel universe do they live, that they do not understand this?
As to the other attendees, how are they able to spend their days at town halls? Are they unemployed? If so, in many states they can get medicaid, another public option..Either that, or most of them have tenured jobs which they are certain will never go away..How nice for them. I guess the rest are independently wealthy, have no preexisting conditions and plan on never being sick, or having an accident. How nice for them too.
10:33 AM on 08/21/2009
Being against the “public option†(code for using your tax money to pay for others who refuse to buy insurance or to give to those who earn less than you do) as a senior is not hypocrisy. That is simply expressing self interest, survival, etc. The reason the seniors are mad is that in order to help move enough tax money into the new program the government has to move some of the tax money out of the Medicare/Medicaid programs. That means reduced care and benefits. And the government will be taking more from you in addition to that. The government thinks that they know better how to spend your money, than you do, and that they can take all the money they want from you because it’s morally correct.

And the town hall attendees may be retired but the younger ones are probably just unemployed. Obama is more interested in spending your tax money on the biggest social welfare program in the history of the planet than he is in finding a way to let the economy right itself so the unemployed can find new jobs.
08:17 AM on 08/21/2009
I found Congressman Weiner's question about Health Insurance Companies' value proposition on Morning Joe to be incredibly effective in arguing the case for a public option. Now, after a few days of having it slosh around in my head, I honestly cannot answer the question. Can anyone else?

Feel free to take a stab at it in the comments here: http://ellipticalpress.blogspot.com/
07:36 AM on 08/21/2009
Comprehensive healthcare should empower physicians and medical science to be the driving force. Current cost-drivers are health-insurance, pharmaceutical, bio-tech, and bio-engineering companies, led by management interested in their bottom-line; hospital and nursing home administrators; medico-legal system, and consultants. Many doctors claim patients, directing their own treatment options that are not indicated, contribute to higher costs; as do families reluctant to provide basic-care and support to their sick relatives. These cost-drivers contribute to the steep and unsustainable cost-curve. None of these cost-drivers are addressed in the current debate in Congress or town-halls.

The current debate adds to the fragmentation. Complex formulary of insurance and funding only makes the healthcare system more cumbersome and inefficient, adding further irrationalities and alien motivations within the system. And good patient care is lost in the shuffle.

It is the front-line of medical care (physicians, nurses and allied medical professionals) that will make-or-break the new comprehensive healthcare. The old medical adage of "captain of the ship" is an important principle, even in the 21st century; and the one who should be held responsible to "bend the cost-curve."

Short-term, significant savings (i.e no additional dollars needed) can be achieved through reforming payments to insurance and drug companies; as well as providers (doctors and hospitals) by using "Best Practice" paradigms. For more info write to glawrenc@mvnhealth.com
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CTtransplant
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we gro
02:14 AM on 08/21/2009
Folks, it's OUR taxes that pay for a majority of the cost of health insurance for our Congress people! Why should WE be paying for them to have what we ourselves cannot afford???? And what the health insurance industry is paying them to deny US????

We need to turn up the heat! Time to put more pressure on! Please sign this petition to have paid health care removed from our representatives in Congress until such time as they reform health care - to include a strong public option - for 'we the people' who they are supposed to represent. Then spread the word to anyone and everyone you know!

http://www.petitiononline.com/PubOp676/petition.html
12:54 PM on 08/21/2009
Are you crazy? Try sticking to the issues if you are able.
10:46 PM on 08/20/2009
How about a "STOP THE LIES" protest outside of FOX's NYC HQ....with a full delination of each distortion and outright lie.
10:50 PM on 08/20/2009
Tell me, what are the lies in this debate? Give me your list?
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Weirdwriter
11:17 PM on 08/20/2009
Try reading the article.
11:03 AM on 08/21/2009
"Death panels," Referring to paying a doctor to discuss with you whether you want a living will, what sort of end of life care you want, etc.
Government takover of health care. How does having an extra choice take away your choice to keep what you have-unless you are admitting that the health insurance co's are so bloated that they can't compete.
Covering Illegal Aliens-This plan only covers them the same way we already cover them, hospitals charge everyone else more so they can provide free care to illegals.
Interfering in doctor choice-Ask someone who turns 65 whether medicare or their private plan gave them more doctor choice???
Cutting medicare benefits-medicare is a seperate program, financed by a 1.45% tax on wages, with an equal employer tax on wages. If the program was expanded to cover additional people (e.g. everyone over 55), the tax rate would go up, perhaps to 1.65%. No one is proposing changing benefit levels. There is a discussion of changing the reimbursement formula to allow the trust fund to keep buying T-bills for a few more years, blame Bush for running up the deficit to the point that we need to borrow from Medicare to keep the gov't afloat.
I can go on, and on, and on...
11:49 PM on 08/20/2009
Dishonesty begets dishonesty. The President led off telling everyone that they could have what they want but we're still going to cover 47 million (bogus number, btw) new people. That was a stone cold lie and the public recognized it as such. "If you like your current coverage, you can keep it" (until your companies' drop their plans so you get dumped onto the public option). "Cost savings from new efficiencies are going to pay a substantial portion of the cost" ( except they won't. When has any government program ever saved money? Rhetorical question, see CBO projections). "You can keep you doctor" combined with "well, medicare is a govt program that works" except that most doctors won't take on new medicare patients because of the government's chronic underpayments. Medicare, when instituted, was projected to cost $9 billion by today (2010), a little off from the multi, multi billions it actually costs today.
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Rogan
06:24 AM on 08/21/2009
You don't really have much by way of rational opposition, do you...?
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10:45 PM on 08/20/2009
Why should the bill not cover undocumented workers? A sick person in the USA is a sick person. Would you deny them care because of where they were born or the status of their documentation? Would you let them die simply because of their country of origin?
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Mortifyd
01:39 AM on 08/21/2009
We already let Americans die and there are plenty of people ok with that.
05:01 AM on 08/21/2009
Illegals already get free ER care. Legal citzens, not so much.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
10:35 PM on 08/20/2009
Words like lie must be inserted into more conversations about health care. The politicians play a game where they know someone is lying but refuse to use that word. That is their gentleman's agreement but since these are in no way real gentlemen it is time for the real words to be interjected into the conversation.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
09:46 PM on 08/20/2009
A columnist in The Houston Chronicle wrote a story about attending a "health care information meeting" with an elderly relative. The woman in charge gave out copies of what was obviously a many- times forwarded e-mail. She traced it to a man on Twitter who has 6,000 friends. He claimed to have had all this information broken down into "plain English" by someone who worked within government and also claimed to be a "former" Marine. She was stunned by the utter garbage in that handout and traced the guy. She also was able to verify that he HAD NEVER, EVER BEEN IN THE MARINES, and checked all the information through the political checker by the St. Petersburg Times and they told her that the stuff was "PANTS ON FIRE QUALITY" and sent her directly to their independent consultant on it, who said that she had never seen lies this large and in this degree in one document. She contacted the guy and confronted him about not ever having been in the Marines and he refused to speak with her about the rest.

Beware people, the misinformation is nuts out there. A friend of mine, who used to be a medical professional, actually sent me one of them, and I told her that if she sent me another such TRASH piece she was never, ever going to stay at my home and mooch when she comes to town.
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Weirdwriter
11:19 PM on 08/20/2009
Please send this to the White House's web site on health care reform -- the folks there are tracking this kind of thing, as well: http://www.healthreform.gov/
09:27 PM on 08/20/2009
"...not in what President Obama said but how he said it. On display was the same steely determination often visible during the campaign...."

This is what reassured me. I'm glad you pointed that out.

He's not discouraged! We shouldn't be discouraged!

He continues to see the bigger picture while all of us keep harping on the unimportant. His premise is the same. The details will get worked out as we go. The foundation is what is important right now. Focus on the facts.
09:12 PM on 08/20/2009
Something is up when someone like me—who never followed politics—finds herself crying at the energy behind health care policy during today's OFA event:
09:30 PM on 08/20/2009
Glad I wasn't the only one who felt a little weepy at times. Some of it from sheer relief at seeing Obama in his element. Getting things back on track.
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Weirdwriter
11:23 PM on 08/20/2009
There are good people behind this. The rightness of this legislation is like the rightness of creating Social Security and Medicare.
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billhodges
Self Reliant Yet Charitable
07:43 PM on 08/21/2009
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
Thomas Jefferson
08:56 PM on 08/20/2009
I have a question: If you say that, for example, rationing is a risk with the healthcare proposals on the table, are you spreading fear and misinformation because it is not explicitly called for in one of the bills? Are we only able to talk about what is specifically in the a bill, or can we talk about possible repercussions? Answers?
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
10:32 PM on 08/20/2009
If it is not in the bill why would you infer such a thing as being there? Rationing is what is going on now. You must understand this fact. The people in favor of rationing know that Obama's plan will stop rationing. That is why they are insinuating that Obama wants to ration. They know you don't realize it's happening and are tricking you into going against Obama thinking he is the one who will start it. To try and talk about possible repercussions is a debate that will never end. You have to understand this premiss. There are an endless number of possibilities in this world. It is a waste of time to try and anticipate them all. You must focus on what the President is trying to do. These repercussions you are thinking about are probably not real an example is the "death panels." There is no way that what is in the bill can morph into a death panel but the people who are attempting to trick you want that on the back of your mind. It is a trick. Be aware of what is really fact and what is propagagnda.
10:45 PM on 08/20/2009
So this is what I find maddening about discussing these issues. How can you discuss legislation that impacts 1/6th of the nation's economy and NOT have a discussion about the possible repercussions of the laws and rules you pass? Obama's plan is likely to increase rationing not decrease it....unless of course you can explain how he is going to reduce the costs of healthcare AND expand coverage to 50 million people. That'd be a neat trick and completely defy the laws of economics and the government's own track record in exploding healthcare expenditures under Medicare and Medicaid. This is why we have debates in this country...it's not about spreading fear, it's about raising legitimate concerns. You can't just have a debate just on YOUR terms. When there are multiple, complex, unclear...and clearly unworkable...proposals on the table, then it is absolutely right for people to raise concerns and highlight potential negative impacts of proposals, not just blindly go along with whatever Barack says.