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Gay Marriage Is Not About Love

Posted: 12/06/11 02:16 PM ET

If you are a fan of the soppy and overused "it's all about love" argument, I hate to rain on your parade. Of course, people who marry should be in love, but the gay marriage argument is about neither love nor inheritance, insurance, or visitation rights. It isn't even about being gay.

Love is about mushy-gooey feelings, butterflies, red roses, and Barry Manilow. Marriage, on the other hand, is a matter of legal process and the power of the state. What about gay marriage, then, or equality?

It came to me when I had to fill in a form for a new passport. Because my country firmly believes in the exclusive union of male and female, I had to tick "single." If you have lived with a partner for 12 years and shared his or her bed, smiles, tears, laughs, and breakfast sausage, it feels more than a little ridiculous to be forced to publicly state you are single -- it is deeply humiliating.

I don't feel "single." I don't want to be "single." Yet the law gives me no other option.

Maybe because of the pressure of procreation, human society in almost every corner of the planet has evolved a status where the union of two people is considered an evolutionary success. Think of the class reunion when you were 30, and everybody was already married, engaged, or at least brought a hot date. And you were single. You felt like a failure.

As I have been out and proud for 20 years, having to tick "single" feels like being shoved back into the closet again. Many gays and lesbians only acquire the courage to "come out" once they have found a mate. After all, you need to have sex to be "homosexual." I certainly waited until I had a boyfriend before telling my parents I was gay. Having a partner is empowering. It bestows self-confidence. It feels good.

Being single, on the other hand, is considered an evolutionary and cultural signal of failure. You have passed on neither your genes nor your memes. (Both are equally important. Passing on genes ensures survival of mankind. Passing on cultural memes ensures the propagation of ideas and the advancement of humanity.) You are most likely deemed too ugly, too weird, too stupid, or any other cliché, to have found a mate. You are undeniably a loner, a weirdo, a failure! This pressure is the same, no matter the gender of your partner.

Certainly in the West, but through the Internet and globalization, in more traditional societies in other parts of the globe, straight people increasingly tolerate, or even accept, gays and lesbians. But a man with a wife and kids will still regard a single male with a certain amount of pity and condescension (or envy!). There are countless derogatory terms for single women of advanced age. If not children, then certainly a commitment to another person is a sign of maturity and achievement in this life.

Thus, by acknowledging the right for me to marry my partner, the government would enhance my status in society. I would subsequently be more proud, more social, and more productive. I would feel accepted and rewarded for my commitment by my family, friends, coworkers, and all of society. After all, marriage is not about having babies. If it were, governments would issue a breeding certificate instead.

Marriage is about creating a state of government-sanctioned, stable cohabitation that, among other things, allows people to feel safe, settled, and complete. Having a mate makes us better people. It teaches us responsibility and the art of compromise, such as sharing the last of the ice cream in the fridge, taking out the trash, and upholding proper hygiene. It is a cultural tool that, ideally, makes men and women less volatile and more productive, one that makes us more civilized.

By allowing gay couples to be "married" on the same terms as straight people, we allow them to be respected and feel respected. By letting me tick the right box on the form, you give me dignity. And dignity is what gay marriage is all about.

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If you are a fan of the soppy and overused "it's all about love" argument, I hate to rain on your parade. Of course, people who marry should be in love, but the gay marriage argument is about neither ...
If you are a fan of the soppy and overused "it's all about love" argument, I hate to rain on your parade. Of course, people who marry should be in love, but the gay marriage argument is about neither ...
 
 
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11:06 PM on 02/04/2012
"You love that person but you can't marry them. That's wrong." Look, if you are with someone you love, you should be able to have that marriage certificate! That's all I go by. Marriage should not be about "they can't make babies." Allowing everyone that right just makes them feel equal. We can't take that feeling of dignity away from them, they're just like everyone else, they should have the same rights. Honestly, what harm would it do if everyone had the same rights.

Everyone acts as though the world would end or something.
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Diana Scrimger
11:07 PM on 01/11/2012
Marriage is between and man and a woman. Two people of the opposite sex fall in love and want to get married and have children. If you do not have love then what is the point of getting married. Therefore the Yes on Prop 8 side is correct. If you do not have love then why bother getting married. Therefore this proves logically that if they are not marrying for love then it is just a mockery of straight marriage!
09:34 PM on 12/31/2011
There is no such thing as gay marriage. There is just marriage.
09:41 AM on 12/08/2011
Don't give them any ideas, next thing you know they will be issuing breeding certificates instead of marriage licenses..
09:33 PM on 12/31/2011
Sorry. Larry Niven beat you to it.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
06:27 PM on 12/07/2011
OF COURSE IT IS ABOUT LOVE....

Love makes you want to be together, then you want the same rights as other folks

The title needs the word "Just" inserted
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VirginiaDreaming
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
05:14 PM on 12/07/2011
Thank you for an very well written and thoughtful article. If I had my way, you would never have to check that single box again. I will continue to vote for tolerance and speak for all love between consenting adults to be considered precious.
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LonaMarie
04:23 PM on 12/07/2011
You clearly have given this a great deal of thought and in the process have come up with some very good points. I have always felt there are certain things that can't be bought, dignity and class come to mind. Dignity and class are things that are innate and I believe you have them both already. Respect has to be earned I think and that comes with having dignity and class. Therefore, you have all three already. Now all we need is for others to recognize and acknowledge this. I hope you continue to live your life in a way that makes you happy as long as you don't hurt anyone or infringe on their rights. It's no one else's business who you love or choose to live with.
01:52 PM on 12/07/2011
Excellent piece.
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Bill J4321
12:30 PM on 12/07/2011
"If you have lived with a partner for 12 years and shared his or her bed, smiles, tears, laughs, and breakfast sausage, it feels more than a little ridiculous to be forced to publicly state you are single -- it is deeply humiliating."

That is the intention behind all of this.

To humiliate us. To deny our humanity. To make us invisible. To harm our lives and our families.

It is what most heterosexuals call morality.
03:51 PM on 12/07/2011
I cannot say that it is "most" any more ... At least I hope not. It certainly is a lot of us. But it isn't me. It isn't my husband. There was a time I was against gay marriage and have completely changed my mind. So there is hope. Many people are slowly understanding that this is a Civil Rights issue ... Change is never quick. It's rarely painless. It's certainly never pretty. But same sex marriage WILL be perfectly acceptable and people will look back and wonder why society was so against it.
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Eric N Davis
If a button needs pushing, I'll be there.
03:54 PM on 12/07/2011
No, it's what most CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS call morality.

Most heterosexuals are not opposed to gay rights. If you've seen the latest polls, 53% of Americans now favor the rights of same-sex couples to marry.

I am one of the growing numbers of heterosexuals who supports the cause of human rights for LGBT people. Please try not to put us all in the same box. Or you will be guilty of the same narrow-minded thinking as those who condemn your sexuality.
10:11 AM on 12/07/2011
Now I feel so much more a lone in the world. I'm the only lesbian girl in love that wants be married to my girlfriend because I love her. Oh, she loves me too. I guess that makes only the two of us. What shall we do?
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12:32 AM on 12/07/2011
Some people are fearful of gay marriage beacuse they are weak obedient conformists and they need someone lower than themselves to look down on and bully to feel better about themselves. Gay people and women fulfil this function. If gay people could get married, and women had more equality, they would loose this easy target for bullying. And hence may find themsleves at the very BOTTOM of the pecking order barrell. This is the psychology of bullying that is homphobia/sexism..
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itsjules
Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.
03:27 AM on 12/07/2011
That's a really good point. Gays, women, "the poor," are all fodder some need to feel good about themselves.

If only they'd realize how transparently pathetic that is. When you DO feel good about yourself, there is NO need to look down on--or make to feel "less than"--anyone else.
03:55 PM on 12/07/2011
I think the biggest problem is a very simple one in this country: religion. Christianity teaches that sex outside of marriage is wrong and that homosexual sex is sinful. Ok. Not ALL of Christianity teaches this, but a good majority do. and when you are raised to think this way, it seems logical. I know b/c my dad is a Pentecostal (Holy Roller) ... so I was taught that it's a sin. We need to get religion out of politics. Unfortunately, this county is still quite Puritanical :-(
09:30 PM on 12/06/2011
Mr. Weber, I get your point. I really do. But headlines like "Gay marriage is not about love" do not help you get your point across to those who need to heaar it. Such misconsidered lines feed into the myths that gay people DON'T/CANNOT love, that our relationships are just lust and sex acts.

Please reconsider.
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Trevor Marlin
12:27 PM on 12/07/2011
I think it does, actually.

You read it, yes? And you got his point.
If a proponent of DOMA sees it, they will read it, and get the point (or not) but at least they've read it.

This is the phenomenon that spurred the saying, "Any publicity is good publicity"... because the aim is to catch attention. Catching attention is the name of the game in Marketing and Politics (AKA ideological marketing).
01:57 PM on 12/07/2011
He got the point across very well. One can have love without marriage. One can have children without marriage. But respect does come with marriage.

Even among straight couples, marriage is still seen as respectable. A co-worker of mine asked once if my daughter and her boyfriend had married yet. (They had been together for 6 years and lived together.) They had not. So she said, "Well, why should he buy the cow when he gets the milk for free?" I thought that a rather nasty thing to say, and my adult daughter's love life was none of her business.

But, I do agree that with marriage comes respect. Too many people refer nastily to "the gay lifestyle". When the gay lifestyle includes marriage and commitment, how can they continue to act so superior?
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VirginiaDreaming
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05:18 PM on 12/07/2011
Thanks for a very thought provoking post. Some times it is really hard to see some of the prejudices until someone makes it more plain.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
09:18 PM on 12/06/2011
I am currently in the early stages of a courtship with a very nice man from Atlanta. Don't know where it is going yet, but we're at a stage where we're both thinking about the possibilities of forever. One question is, "Would we want the commitment of forever." Both of us are scared by the mess that so many hererosexuals make of marriage. Do we want to base a relationship on a heterosexual model? I dunno ...

"I've been savin' this money for a divorce in case I ever gets me a husband." --- Annie (the late Lillian Randolph) in the 1946 film fantasy, "It's a Wonderful Life".
01:59 PM on 12/07/2011
Going on 34 years of marriage here. And 39 years of being together. We didn't base our marriage on anybody else's "model". Neither should you. Do what is right for you.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
09:00 PM on 12/07/2011
We're still trying to figure that out, but thanks for the advice.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:57 AM on 12/30/2011
Awwww, that is great news, rockysparks! My hubby and I are rooting for you.
08:46 PM on 12/06/2011
You either have dignity or you don't. Nobody else can "give" it to you. PS: You have dignity as a human being. Single, Married, Divorced, Widowed, Young, Old, Disabled, etc.....All human beings have the God-given dignity they were born with.
03:42 AM on 12/07/2011
You're missing the point.

It's about being 'given' dignity. It's that dignity is recognized.
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Bill J4321
12:32 PM on 12/07/2011
Has a falser statement EVER been written?

I think not.
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averagezoe
Don't breed or buy while homeless animals die!
06:06 PM on 12/06/2011
Why am I getting the impression that gay marriages are more about love than conventional ones? Every gay couple I've ever known seemed to be in a very committed relationship while my straight friends and relatives didn't seem to fare so well. It makes me wonder if relationships thrive in the face of adversity. As a 5 time married and divorced heterosexual female, I am not a shining example of successful marriage, but at least I was legally entitled to marry whenever the whim struck me. It's not society's fault that I just simply hate being married and dense enough so it took me 5 tries to figure out that I am happiest by myself. I would like to see anyone, gay or straight, to have the same opportunities that only heterosexuals are allowed to enjoy. I would bet that gay marriages last longer and are more meaningful than those so-called traditional unions. And if being single is somehow a sign of failure, hey, I drink to failure.
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Bill J4321
12:40 PM on 12/07/2011
My partner and I have been together over 11 years now. Being a gay couple, we are acutely aware that we must protect our relationship. There are always heterosexuals people, whether it be family or friends or business colleagues, who will openly try and tear us down. Belittle us. Degrade our relationship. Degrade us.

The people that tend to do that sort of thing tend to share 1 commonality (besides their heterosexuality,) and that is that they tend to be miserable failures at their own personal relationships. It almost never fails. When someone degrades or tries to humiliate us, we find out they are divorce, or have committed adultery, or don't pay their child support, etc.

Knowing how difficult the true variety is to find, ANY decent human being does not degrade love.

Ever.

I've not yet found an exception to this rule.

Any human being willing and eager to degrade a gay couple's love for one another in turn degrades THEIR OWN love and/or relationship.

It amazes me that people can be so blind to this. Seriously, if you hold in your heart the audacity to degrade another person's most sacred relationship, you've said absolutely nothing about gay people and absolutely EVERYTHING about yourself.

And using the bible as justification is even worse, as NO heterosexuals hold themselves accountable to biblical law in our civil law.

In short - plain ole' fashioned bigotry. Nothing more, nothing less.
11:50 PM on 12/08/2011
What exactly do you mean by partner? Is that your law partner,or business partner? Help me understand? You guys own a business.Are you incorporated,or an llc?