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Egg, Banana, and Coconut: Are Gays More Racist?

Posted: 02/25/2012 12:02 am

Anyone following the hype over U.S. basketball star Jeremy Lin will have observed the thick layer of racism lying ponderously over the media. One not-so-witty journalist rightly lost his job over the headline "Chink in the Armor," after Jeremy's recent setback, but the public statements of some athletes and the reactions in the press showed that race still matters, and racism is yet a fact of life.

As a hopeless (or hopeful?) sentimentalist, I like to think that there exists a global community of gay men and women who, in the face of discrimination and prejudice, all love and respect each other regardless of skin color, a worldwide brother- and sisterhood with common interests, similar outlooks on life, and shared values. Yeah, right!

How deluded this idea is was brought home to me during last year's visits to several American and European cities. Almost every major metropolis with a gay scene has separate bars for Asians, and even for Asian-lovers, both of which have to endure a plethora of derogatory denominations, from "rice queen" to "potato queen" and a whole lot of edibles in between. (Do you know what a banana is? How about an egg or yolk? Or a coconut? Don't ask!)

A look at online profiles will bring the same disheartening revelation: the gay world is full of narrow-minded, bigoted racists. Prowlers proudly pin their racism and prejudices on their profiles: the favorite "no fems, no chubs, no Asians!" reminds me of the old "no dogs or Chinese" store signs of pre-war Shanghai, and I shudder.

On my U.K. book tour in the lovely city of Manchester, we listened to natives explaining why Poles were good for a hot one-night stand (no pun there, I was assured), but not really boyfriend material; why one should always avoid Arabs and Turks ("they smell and lie"), and that Asians -- no offense to my husband, or indeed to me -- were only suitable for old queens or really ugly guys. "They are only after your money anyway."

The amount of racial affinity is staggering. Even in big metropolises like Madrid and Milan, we counted far more profiles of young men looking for men who were "alike" in age, looks, and muscle development than we found explicit interest in otherness and delight in racial difference. The more subtle date-seekers qualify their predilections with the moronic "no offense, it's just my taste."

The author Andrew Holleran described the gay world as a social melting pot, the gay disco that most democratic of institutions, where construction workers meet lawyers on equal terms. Apparently they do mingle, as long as the both share approximately the same genetic makeup. No Moroccan construction workers for that Danish lawyer, please.

As a biracial couple, we are especially attuned to such attitudes. My Asian husband tends to like or dislike cities by the number of friends we make on social apps -- thus Boston is better than Los Angeles, and Berlin better than London. We made a test and changed his app picture to show only his torso. His dedication to healthy cuisine was rewarded by a whopping 143 Hi!s in half an hour! Of those, 140 disappeared or blocked him when shown his -- and you must believe me here -- absolutely gorgeous Asian face. I won't tell you which city, but we ain't gonna visit there again, I tell you.

Go through any magazine in a Western bookstore or your local porn shop and you can count the number of ethnic cover boys on one hand. "Ethnic" is of course itself a Caucasian-centric term. The fact that it, along with "Interracial," is a category on many websites is a sign of how far away we are from an equitable, accepting society in which the color of one's skin does not matter. That Jeremy Lin has to be an Asian-American athlete rather than just an American basketball player is simply ludicrous.

To compare notes, we interviewed the owners of two straight dating website for this article, who told us that Asian men did not have a big following, whereas Asian women were fairly easy to match with desirous Caucasian husbands. In general, the straight bars and pubs we surveyed had a higher percentage of racial diversity than any of the gay venues. In Asia, of course, Caucasian are invariably in high demand and are often treated better than their arrogance deserves. Perhaps because there are so few to go around? So is it racism or just a matter of supply and demand?

It is difficult, if not impossible, to show scientifically whether gays are more racist. There is, however, an interesting hypothesis evidenced in many literary works. It says that homosexual attraction often starts with a desire to identify with the partner. A straight man may love, adore, or mistreat his girlfriend, but he never wants to be her. Most homosexuals find out about their propensities by falling for a guy they adore, envy, or desire to emulate. "Heterosexual roles are reciprocal, not reversible ... but homosexual roles are often redundant and a form of admiration or envy," Edmund White writes in his insightful biography of Jean Genet. "The first act of homosexual love, then, is impersonation."

If that is true (even as just an early developmental stage), then racism may indeed be more prevalent amongst gays. It is easier to identify with a member of the same racial group. If part of finding someone "hot" is a desire to be that person, then it helps to share the same skin color, or language, or education. If "I want to be like him" is the driver of queer puppy love, then the impossibility of changing one's racial makeup may be an underlying factor of racism. Hence the overwhelming presence of the phrase "seeking likewise" on Grndr profiles.

Incidentally, the extent of self-delusion involved is really mind-boggling. In one European city, one guy explained that "gays are all shallow and narrow-minded, with loads of hang-ups," that he himself was "laid-back, open-minded, and cool,"' while his profile on GayRomeo still read "28 yo, 182cm, 79kg, athletic, fit, looking for same. No chubs, no Turks, no Asians." How very open-minded!

Racism is, of course, just one aspect of the rejection of otherness that I find so misplaced in the gay community. My consolation is that I am way past dating and really can't be bothered to deal with people who tell me that I "could have done better than an Asian partner." But it still hurts to see the people I would like to associate with exhibit the same traits as the proverbial redneck.

I am still a sentimental dreamer, and so I have another theory to offer. I believe that most of the intelligent, free-thinking, race-blind men and women with whom I want to experience my idealistic global kinship are simply too smart and well-settled to hang out in bars or waste their time on social apps with a bunch of fakers. They are all living in the suburbs with a boyfriend or girlfriend -- or both! -- who have a different skin color, an impossibly cute accent, and a penchant for spicy cooking. Hey guys, wanna have lunch?

In a previous piece on HuffPost, Marten Weber wrote about being gay in an Asian society.

His latest book, Gabriel, deals, amongst other things, with racism and standards of beauty. Learn more at martenweber.com.

 
 
 

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Scott Alexander Hess
03:58 PM on 03/12/2012
marten always keeps me coming back for more
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nzchicago
07:43 AM on 03/01/2012
I find it curious that gay men are criticized for not being willing to date outside their race, but in the heterosexual world, it seems to be an accepted and even desired thing to remain within one's own race. Those that go outside their race are often resented for doing so, and we see almost no examples in the media of interracial couples. Why are gay men held to a different standard?

For the record, I'm attracted to all kinds of men, and I myself think interracial relationships are beautiful...
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nzchicago
06:13 AM on 03/01/2012
The author of this post wants gay men to be into "otherness" - he wants other gay men to find the same things attractive that he does. Mostly his husband, it seems...

the fact is that there will always be people who are turned on by someone who is the opposite of themselves, and other people will be attracted toward someone similar to themselves. And some are into both.
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nzchicago
06:12 AM on 03/01/2012
It does seem to be true that a lot of guys don't find Asian men very attractive. Is it racism? Interesting that straight women also seem to be less attracted to Asian men, but straight men find Asian women attractive.

I don't know what is behind this, but I will say that for me, I have been very attracted to some Asian guys. But it doesn't seem to happen as often as with guys of other ethnicities. I have been to countries such as Singapore, and passed hundreds of people in the street, and not noticed a guy I was attracted to! But the women seemed more attractive to me (and I'm a gay guy...). I have also met gay Asian guys and have discussed this, and quite a few of them were also not attracted to other Asians themselves! That seems sad to me...I do know white guys who are adamant that they would never go for a guy of a different race, and I don't get that attitude. I would be open to any race, although I have certain types that get my attention more than others. But I have to admit that I'm a bit less often attracted to the Asian guys, and I don't really know why.
04:14 AM on 03/01/2012
I rather like the diversity you can find in London - there's something for everyone. The 'separate bars' were not so much set up to get away from other races, but to make it easier to find the type of guys you like ( the gay scene is so practical ). So from the earliest days we had bars for leather, drag, older guys, etc, and one of the most successful clubs today is XXL for bigger guys - and their admirers. Having specialist bars and clubs just makes finding what you like so much easier, and I don't think they came about so that racists could avoid what they don't like. More in love than hate.
03:09 PM on 02/28/2012
Here is the problem: we don't see the world the same. Chances are if you're not a racial minority, you won't see this as a problem. If you are, you'll see it as very big one. Some people cross over, for example the author, but generally speaking that's how it breaks down.

This article is informative. If being right or left handed affects our view of the world and tells us we don't mean the same thing when we use the same words, then imagine the difference that race makes.

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10521233-how-lefties-righties-see-the-world-differently

We are using the same words, but we mean different things when we do so.

“People tend to understand verbs as referring to actions they would perform with their particular bodies,” says Casasanto. “In this sense, people with different bodies understand the same verbs to mean something different."
Which, of course, begs the question, how we do understand each other?
“The short answer is we don’t,” says Casasanto. “Most of the time, we feel like we understand each other because what a word means to me, is close enough to what it means to you, but it’s never the same, and what a word means in your mind may depend on quirks of your body.”
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Ed Baker
Militant Moderate
01:15 PM on 02/28/2012
One line of text in a micro-bio on a gay cruising site and damns the entire gay community as racists.

I am frankly quite tired of this slandering of the community.
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Rex Hungus
Intelligently Designed Atheist
10:50 AM on 02/28/2012
Human nature trumps everything, regardless of sexual orientation. When asked how I feel about the gay community I say that it is like any other community, its full of nice people and a***oles. "Love sees no color", "All we are saying is give peace a chance" and countless other one liners and sayings people use to make a buck or try to prove some point, sound good but are its reality.

When I first met my friends who are gay, one of them said that "every homosexual couple should have a pet hetero." Another friend said the dating scene with gays is just as bad if not worse than trying to date women, there are tons of mind games and a lot of discrimination based on looks.

Lets not get disillusioned with the gay community, while equal rights is excruciatingly important, they are no different that the rest of society in terms of being tied to the same human limitations we all deal with.
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Rex Hungus
Intelligently Designed Atheist
11:22 AM on 02/28/2012
meant to say "not" in the line "sounds good but are...".
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Ebanius
You'll Never Walk Alone
09:55 AM on 02/28/2012
I get a lot of 'oh, where's your asian-ness?' because a) I am a young Asian male, 6'5'' with reddish-brunette hair and b) I have a southern accent. When some someone said, I love your Asian-ness, I will reply I love your narrow-minded myself...but no offense. LoL
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03:09 PM on 02/28/2012
I don't get it why would people say that to you?
03:15 PM on 02/28/2012
lol. Why don't you "act Asian?" You probably don't like fortune cookies either!
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Ebanius
You'll Never Walk Alone
04:11 PM on 02/28/2012
Lmao! Someone have asked me that also and I do like to read the fortune cookies but I do not like the cracker. It was a product of the usa.
08:57 AM on 02/28/2012
Racism, to some extent, exists in all cultures and subcultures regardless of sexuality or any other characteristic. I understand the point of this article but doesn't the fact that this is "surprising" to some show that homosexuals are given different expectations and standards? Just because you are oppressed in one aspect doesn't mean that you don't oppress others, even subconsciously, in another aspect.There are always a few s*** heads in any bunch.
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Sean Lawlor
06:17 PM on 02/27/2012
I think racism in the gay community is an important topic, but the only thing I don't agree with here is the comparison to straight culture/dating sites. For one thing, I don't think that diversity in a gay bar vs. diversity in a straight bar is really a good indicator. I also think that levels of racism cannot be determined by how popular certain users are on social/dating sites; just because Asian women are popular on a straight site doesn't mean anything with regards to racism; if anything, it may speak to the eroticization of racial stereotypes that plague Asian women.

I also must say that comparing how people find a mate is rocky as well. If gays want to find someone "like" them but straights don't want to "be" their mate, I don't know how the former lends itself any more to racism than the latter; for example both a straight man and a gay man are looking for someone in relation to themselves and as both are raced beings, it is going to be unavoidable. I think the argument brought forth by people like Edmund White can offer an explanation for gender (straight women would look for a mate with opposite genitalia; a lesbian would identify with someone with the same) but I don't see how race comes into play there. Straight or gay, you notice the race of your mate and there's no telling who uses it as a qualifier "more often".
05:40 PM on 02/27/2012
This is laughable, once I was in the Eagle with a friend who is black and was hitting hard on this hot white guy. The white guy wouldnt give hiim the time of day and my friend turned to me and he must not like black guys and so I said no he probably doesnt like fat guys....
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Ed Baker
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01:18 PM on 02/28/2012
One of our friends used to throw that racism BS around all the time. "White guys won't go for me..."

I got sick of hearing it and told him off one day. "You have horrible breath and you're 50# over, and you are dressed so that you look like an unmade bed. So - add me to your list of 'racists' - I wouldn't ever sleep with you."
04:01 PM on 02/28/2012
Maybe you're both displaying the flaws of inductive reasoning. Just as he may have been rejected by a small group of white guys (although it's not just whites who are racist) and falsely concluded that every other one was rejecting him based on his race.

AND you may have seen this happen with him or X number of black guys and falsely concluded that every time one is rejected, it's for reasons other than race. Just because he was rejected because of bad breath doesn't mean what he's describing doesn't occur.

If you're online with someone and reveal your race as something other than white, it's often the kiss of death. The person you're talking to loses interest and it has nothing to do with the factors you describe when you haven't exchanged pictures or met in person yet. The only conclusion is that race is the factor when someone who was interested a few seconds before loses interest upon learning your race. This occurs more often than you acknowledge.
05:21 PM on 02/27/2012
...White people crack me up (I guarantee you that the majority of folks saying that these preferences don't matter are white)...when I start seeing a proportionate number (not equal, because of course there are more white people in the US), but when I see a proportionate number of "No white people" ads, then I will believe that is not racism.

The two groups of people who are most likely to shunned in the dating world are blacks and Asians....I wonder why????

Both groups have to content with negative stereotypes when it comes to sex and overall cultural and racial bias. It's not a coincidence, people. Stop bullsh*tting yourselves. And stop telling people you aren't racist just because you won't date a black/asian/latino/arab guy or woman. I put money on it that you are. There is nothing that tests and or reveals our prejudices more than who we will sleep with, date and/or marry.
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Sean Lawlor
06:35 PM on 02/27/2012
I don't disagree with you overall; in fact I think that everyone is racist and who someone chooses to sleep with is only one indicator which is why you lost me in only referencing white people. A black man or an Asian woman etc etc who factor race into their choice of partner are on some level racist as well.
06:35 PM on 02/27/2012
Amen. It's always the white guys who get defensive and want to chalk it up as harmless preference.

We get that people have preferences. We just don't need to be constantly reminded of our undesirability. Black or Asian=negative gay points. White=positive.

The worst is when other minorities buy into this and reject others racial minorities including your own. If you're Black or Asian, the options are limited. If you're White, they're expanded exponentially!
10:48 AM on 02/28/2012
Exactly. And what I don't understand is: how can you write off an entire race of people? There are BILLIONS of black and Asian people...BILLIONS, and you are literally saying that not ONE of them is attractive...NOT ONE! That's just absurd.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
04:58 PM on 02/27/2012
Does racism exist in the gay community? You betcha. So does sexism, ageism, and the whole host of other -isms I could cite. None are excusable, but none are especially surprising. But to focus on one without considering all the others? That's just looking for an easy column to write.
08:49 PM on 02/27/2012
It is unfair to ask a writer to do something other than what she or he promises. You could just as easily say this was an "easy" article to write because it did not reference quantum physics or high literary theory. It would be nice if you would review the article on its own terms.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
08:05 AM on 02/28/2012
It is utterly fair. Racism may be an important topic, but it's also an easy go-to one. "White gay boys are sooooo racist!" — I've heard that for thirty years, sorry. But we dont discuss the harder issues, like sexism and ageism, because those are the ones no one *really* wants to talk about because that would point something about white gay boys and black gay boys and yellow gay boys and quite possibly purple gay boys that would make everyone ever so uncomfortable about themselves and readership for this blog would plummet like a stone. The truth would be "unfortunate".

So I'm gonna put a challenge up to this reporter. Let's see you talk about *all* of the issues that divide our community, not just the ones that guarantee a lot of HP clicks. I'm almost betting you cant do it.
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Venmaker1
I am deeply suspicious
03:37 PM on 02/27/2012
About five years ago at a dinner party I said that the best thing for the gay community would be marriage equality and equality of rights across the board. I also said that the worst thing for the gay community will be equality.

Once gay men and women are no longer held to a lower standard by the law we will see a division among the ranks.

Unfortunately, yes there are racists gays just like there are gays for whom class is used to judge.