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Fusion Energy

Posted: 05/30/2012 7:22 pm

What if there was an inexhaustible form of carbon-free, clean energy that was available 24/7, rain or shine, and was no larger than existing fossil fuel plants? Is that something you might be interested in? What I'm talking about is fusion energy. The easy joke is that fusion energy is the power source of the future and always will be, but what are its real prospects?. This is not a subject of unbiased speculation for me, I've devoted the last 35 years of my career to harnessing this tricky power source. So what have we been up to and where are we going?

Let's start at the beginning. Fusion is a form of nuclear energy that powers the sun and the stars and produces the elements of the periodic table by combing light elements into heavier ones. The discovery of fusion solved a vexing problem -- where did the sun's heat come from. After geologists figured out how old the earth was, there was no known mechanism that could keep the sun so hot for so long. On the sun, hydrogen fuses to produce helium, releasing a tremendous amount of energy -- more than a million times as much energy as when hydrogen is burned chemically. The hydrogen isotope we would use for a power source on earth is called deuterium and has one extra neutron in its nucleus, compared to ordinary hydrogen whose nucleus is a single bare proton. The deuterium extracted from 10 gallons of water would weigh about a 1/10 ounce and could supply enough electricity to last an average U.S. consumer about 15 years. And there's a lot of water.

Fusion reactions are slow until the fuel is heated to unimaginably high temperatures. At that point, the electrons in the fuel atoms are all stripped from their nuclei and the gas becomes a plasma, the fourth state of matter. The most promising approach for commercial fusion energy uses powerful magnetic fields to insulate this hot plasma from nearby material walls. Using these techniques, we've attained the necessary plasma densities and temperatures, over 300 million degrees, far hotter than the core of the sun. Experiments to date, have produced about as much fusion power as they consume and a simple scale-up in size would yield net energy production. ITER, an experiment to do just that, is under construction by an international consortium that includes the U.S..

The advantages of fusion energy go well beyond an abundance of fuel. The need for a carbon-free source should be obvious to everyone of course and by eliminating fossil fuels it also dispenses with other pollutants, as well as the hazards of mining, refining and transportation. How does it stack up to other alternate energy sources like wind or solar? Fusion would provide electricity in large central stations, simply replacing the heat from combustion with another energy source, so it would run all day in any weather, eliminating the need for expensive energy storage systems or expensive modification of the electricity grid. And unlike proposed forms of biomass energy, there would be no significant land or water use -- energy would not be competing with food for these precious resources.

How about fission, the nuclear power source we use now? Fission and fusion can claim many of these same advantages, but fission comes with some serious and all too apparent risks. Fission plants are fueled with enough enriched uranium to run for a year or two. The highly radioactive byproducts accumulate, which by themselves produce an enormous amount of heat that can't be turned off. The recent disaster at Fukushima was a consequence. When the earthquake and tsunami damaged the plant and all sources of electricity to run the cooling pumps, the reactor cores melted and released radioactive products into the environment. Some of these radioactive products are chemically volatile and biologically active -- they can move through the environment and accumulate in living organisms. In contrast, a fusion reactor would never have more than a few seconds of fuel in it at any time -- there is no way it could melt down. The metal structures that make up a fusion reactors would become mildly radioactive over time and would need to be isolated, but after about a hundred years, the materials could be recycled or buried -- no permanent waste disposal would be required.

Perhaps the most frightening aspect of a global fission industry is the risk of nuclear proliferation. The technology for enriching uranium for reactor fuel is largely identical to what is required to make a bomb (hence our concern with Iran's program). Alternately, only the tiniest fraction of the plutonium that is produced in fission reactors is needed to make a nuclear weapon. By comparison, the proliferation risks of fusion are minimal and easily detected. Fusion energy would pose little danger to the public health, to property or water supplies, nor would it threaten social trauma.

Fusion is the big winner in what economists call "external costs," costs that are borne by society as a whole and that don't factor into the costs of production. So why aren't we running our homes with fusion energy? Well, it turns out to be a very hard problem. We've made some dramatic breakthroughs and a lot of slow steady progress -- between 1970 and 2000, the energy produced by each pulse of a fusion experiment increased by a trillion times. Computational power increased over the same period by "only" a factor around a million. Of course, the semiconductor industry could sell individual transistors and make a profit, but fusion won't be profitable until it reaches full scale. Scientists working in the field agree that you could build a fusion reactor that produces a lot of energy, but whether in the end, fusion can be cost competitive and reliable is still an open question.

What's next? The steps required to harness fusion power are well known but will take some time and some money. The ITER experiment needs to be completed and operated. You'll read about cost overruns and schedule slips -- its multi-national management has been slow and inefficient. It would have been faster and cheaper if one nation had stepped up to lead by itself, but none did so we'll have to live with what we've got. We need to learn more about the behavior of hot plasmas, more about its interactions with material surfaces and more about the behavior of structural materials in a fusion environment. Fusion won't come cheap, but the costs need to be put into context -- in the U.S. alone, direct expenditures for energy are on the order of 1.5 trillion dollars per year, about 10% of the U.S. economy. We're spending less than 0.03% of that on fusion research. With a reasonable level of investment, the power source of the future could really be the power source of the future.

 
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
01:17 AM on 06/03/2012
Toured Sandia Labs in 1976.................lots of progress since then !

Scaling is now the Target.................many technical problems have been resolved.

Very Exciting.....................ASAP Please !
02:41 PM on 06/03/2012
True. False and... false.
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BigBearcatBill
This is the real Bearcat - a Binturong
01:54 PM on 06/02/2012
Running as much green/renewable/low pollution energy sources as possible is always best and always will be, but we need to consider risks to shutting these down like weather changes, natural disasters, military defense / strikes against us, so we should always have backup plans and I think having nuclear reactors which fusion will be best if and when it ever gets here along with gas and coal fired plants will always be part of the plan to have large energy demands met all the time. We never want energy production to negatively affect our economy and employment if we can plan to have enough backups.
02:42 AM on 06/03/2012
So, wait... a nuclear fusion plant is safe against a military strike... because???? Especially when compared to millions of solar panels installed on single family home roofs... are they going to precision bomb every single solar panel in the US with us just standing by?

I have heard a lot of nonsensical arguments for nuclear energy of any sorts, but this one takes the cake.
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BigBearcatBill
This is the real Bearcat - a Binturong
01:08 PM on 06/03/2012
Just saying that large power plants are always needed becasue of power surge demands from industry mainly, large faclities, factories etc. and nuke is as good of option as the fossil fuel/hydrocarbon ones. Remember you get cloudy days and no wind at times.
10:38 AM on 06/07/2012
We need the fusion plants to build the solar panels. You can't build solar panels without energy (you need energy to separate silicon from the oxygen to which it's bound in sand and also to purify it). Trying to get that energy from solar panels itself would take decades since it will take ages to produce sufficient quantities of them .. possibly a century since the energy buyback from a solar panel is about 5 to 10 years.
11:05 AM on 06/01/2012
If I just made $14B auctioning shares of a company that has negative revenue growth and may not have a sustainable business model, I'd invest in fusion reactors.
06:21 PM on 05/31/2012
Tritium is radioactive and extremely rare on Earth, and deuterium-tritium fusion reaction releases neutrons, which produce some short-lived radioactive waste. A better option is aneutronic fusion, helium-3 and proton-boron-11, neutron-free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro5-QYqqxzM
07:20 AM on 06/01/2012
Where do you think we get He-3 from?
08:49 AM on 06/01/2012
The Moon's lunar soil is replete with helium-3 reserves, due to the solar wind.
A fusion-powered spacecraft fueled with proton-boron-11 can take us there to build permanent Moonbase to mine helium-3 as a fuel supply for clean nuclear fusion power plants on Earth.
04:39 PM on 05/31/2012
What if there was an inexhaustible form of carbon-free, clean energy that was available 24/7, rain or shine, and was no larger than existing fossil fuel plants?

The funny answer is that the GOP would come out against it and demonize it. Like they have done with all other forms of alternative energy.
04:09 PM on 05/31/2012
In the meantime the US has decided to levy a 30% import tax on Chinese solar panels, you know, the stuff that gets you energy from that free for all fusion reactor in the sky... THEY ARE TOO CHEAP!

There is no indication that we are having an energy problem in this country. There are plenty of indications that we are having a collective brain tumor, though.
03:12 PM on 05/31/2012
Martin,

I'm not sure if you'll answer this directly, but from my reading (and i'm just an average person), i get the impression that Fusion is still a long way off barring some ridiculous break through due to the cost. This leads me to think that LFTR should be the next step in our power process given the availability. I just feel like we're so hell-bent on our current system that we don't want to pay more money now in order to save money later. What's your thoughts on LFTRs and it's future in the alternate power world while we're potentially waiting on Fusion?
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xphilosoph
Almost nothing is actually impossible.
12:46 PM on 06/05/2012
Good point.
Thorium reactors can be made safe and plentiful.

They can also scale from something to power a single house, to a factory, to a city.
Until there are major new breakthroughs in the technology and costs, Fusion will be limited only to large installations.

I think Thorium cycle will provide an important bridge to a Fusion and Solar powered future.
We also need high density energy storage via advanced hydrogen, batteries, fuel cells or more exotic means.
I say hydrogen, because with all that Solar/Fusion electricity you can make all the Hydrogen needed.

Only then can we stop burning carbon fuels for power in vehicles and machines and clean up the planet.
12:55 PM on 05/31/2012
Figuring out fusion power and figuring out how to desalinate sea water would be world game changers.
04:06 PM on 05/31/2012
We know how to do both, more or less. What we don't know is how to do either ECONOMICALLY. THAT is the real question.
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BluePhantom2
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05:08 PM on 05/31/2012
Fussion power if and when perfected (A big if and when!) would allow a very cheap source of electricity that could run desalinazation plants easily and cheaply. We could do the same by allowing the natural gas industry to really go for it and bring down the cost of power for the interim but the greens won't allow that and they probably will come up with a reason to dislike fussion too as easy access to energy is really what they are trying to stop.
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
08:20 PM on 05/31/2012
oh yeah, i remember that episode of Ren and Stimpy too. "Ask Doctor Stupid" was always one of my favorites... thanks for the laugh....
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yukonsam
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12:06 PM on 05/31/2012
I have no issues with continuing research on fusion. But I strongly believe that we need to diversify and decentralize the grid. If something goes awry at a fusion plant or any other large-scale producer, that's a hell of a lot of juice offline all at once. Even if we had a much newer and smarter system than we have, that's a huge stress on the system. With what we've got, it can be huge cascade failures.

And apart from that, letting power generation fall into the hands of a few private monopolies is just wretched public policy from any perspective. A grid of individual and small-scale neighborhood producers gives us a much more robust grid that's much less subject to both disruption and corruption.
nschomer
Scientifically Progressive Libertarian Socialist
02:30 PM on 05/31/2012
Then nationalize energy, like every other first world country in the world. And build enough redundancy into the system that a single failure won't even be noticed.
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
07:50 PM on 05/31/2012
FOX "News" would immediately deride such ideas as "wasteful socialism."
FaceReality2
Democracy in the U.S. is an illusion
11:49 AM on 05/31/2012
Wouldn't solving the problems with liquid fluoride thorium reactors be easier and cheaper? Maybe we should try that first.
nschomer
Scientifically Progressive Libertarian Socialist
02:31 PM on 05/31/2012
Thorium is just a more-difficult-to-work-with uranium. That doesn't really address any of the issues he was talking about like disposal of the waste.
04:07 PM on 05/31/2012
That's pitting one magical technology against another.
FaceReality2
Democracy in the U.S. is an illusion
04:40 PM on 05/31/2012
"Alvin M. Weinberg pioneered the use of the MSR at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. At ORNL, two prototype molten salt reactors were successfully designed, constructed and operated. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
10:00 AM on 05/31/2012
Keep up your good works, you will someday be considered one of humanity's vaunted and cherished pioneers. I've been so disheartened by the loss of focus on fusion and believe it to be lumped together with fission's unfair and misinformed reputation. People are a paradox, and it baffles me how easily we can be persuaded to kick a gift horse in the mouth. Cold fusion? A perpetual motion engine H20 decoupler/combiner? Catch word "holistic". A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, but more likely, a waste of excitable, fired neurons. Solar, wind, geothermal... etc. are of course noble and I enjoy the ingenuous ideas that bright folks come up with for it's implementation and good to pursue in the interim. But the crown jewel is fusion, easy-peasy. How can anybody in their right mind disavow the very real possibility of burning 10 gallons of water for one person's energy needs for 15 years? Mankind's most consuming enterprise today by far is energy over any other industrial works... it's unfathomable that the work you do is so poorly funded. Sincere thanks and gratitude for your passion and hopefully someday, energy.
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09:57 AM on 05/31/2012
For 40 years, I have watched _every_ president, at each state of the union address, say that they would lead the US to energy independence. The progress we have made toward that goal is pathetically tiny. How many _billions or trillions_ of dollars have been shipped overseas to buy oil? It is unimaginable.

I have long thought that energy was the single most important issue that the entire world faces. Without sufficient amounts, readily available, the world will slowly drift backward to 19th century lifestyles, with violent wars to secure whatever remains of the traditional supplies. We will become a severely stratified world with the "haves" and those who truly have almost nothing - and the latter groups will include most of us.

Abundance, but from dirty and expensive sources, will pollute unacceptably large areas of the earth and the atmosphere.

Unfortunately, relatively few people seem to be really interested in conserving energy. Paradoxically, those who label themselves "conservatives" appear to be the least interested, as it seems to infringe on some "right to be wasteful" they feel they have, if they are encouraged to use anything that is more energy efficient.

I truly hope that major advances to this source can be made in the very near future. I think it would be the most important technological advance ever, bar none.
08:55 PM on 05/31/2012
You can lead the herd to the water, but you can't make them drink. It doesn't matter what ANY president says (Richard Nixon included), as long as the people don't get it, nothing will change.
09:29 AM on 05/31/2012
"What if there was an inexhaustible form of carbon-free, clean energy that was available 24/7, rain or shine, and was no larger than existing fossil fuel plants? Is that something you might be interested in?"

This sounds EXACTLY like wind power, except for the "no larger than existing fossil fuel plants" (noting that America has lots and lots and lots of empty room in which to put non-polluting objects). Wind power, which there is enough of, in many individual states in the United States, to supply all the kilowatt hours needed for the entire country.

For the U.S. to not be jumping into wind power is some kind of weird pretend-scarcity thing protecting coal and oil. Of course there is no need to turn off or discard existing fuel-burning power plants, you keep them on standby and use them whenever you feel like it...while we build up a national energy grid to get wind power shuttled everywhere as needed.
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VeryGrood
only class worse than micro-bio was molecular-bio
10:34 AM on 05/31/2012
Wind power is good to fill a niche... But the environmental impact is non-negligible, especially on a large scale. The national energy grid can't shuttle electrons efficiently enough to make it a real option for delivering power anywhere, either... It would take a new material capable of superconduction at temperature closer to 200 K. Which 1- doesn't exist yet and 2- would be redonkulously expensive if it did. Unless you can find some way to cheaply cool the transmissions line to 30 K, wind power isn't feasible.
03:17 PM on 05/31/2012
VeryGrood your statement that "wind power isn't feasible" is effortlessly-demonstrably false. From Wikipedia: " In 2011, the installed capacity of wind power in Germany was 29,075 megawatts (MW), with wind power producing about 8 percent of Germany’s total electrical power."

29 GIGAWATTS of wind power, EIGHT PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY'S ELECTRICITY is alread in Germany. Some perspective, the total amount of energy produced by coal in Ohio (which has the most coal-burning power generation capacity in the U.S.) is 23 gigawatts.

Also a straw man to say that the "only" way to distribute wind power is with superconducting power lines. Who said that all the wind power in the U.S. has to come from one central place? Germany is dealing with building lots of new distribution for wind power, expensive, but no superconductors. IEEE Spectrum: "[Germany] Transmission is no easy thing to build, however. The new lines will cost around €20 billion (close to $25 billion), and there will need to be some serious buy-in from the public and politicians alike..."

And exactly what is the "non-negligble environmental impact?" Air pollution? Radiation hazard? Mining for fuel? Nuclear material handling? Carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gas production?

Oh yeah, the visual pollution of windmills if you're crazy enough to put them where a hundreds of thousands of people have to view them daily. Man, that is just as big a problem as air pollution from burning coal...
08:57 PM on 05/31/2012
Why one would need superconductors to make wind power work can only be answered by the minds of the feverish. Copper conductors are known to work very well to engineers who are actually designing these things.
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commento
New Year, New Hopes
09:25 AM on 05/31/2012
I think the government should put more emphasis on the following researches:
1. Medical - for life.
2. Agricultural - for food
3. Fusion Energy - for power
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
04:21 PM on 06/04/2012
Every discipline should be funded maximally.
Take a year's military budget and invest.

If we're going to accrue even more debt, we might as well spend the money in a way that will solidify the future: which is science.

Discoveries in one field often affect others without any foresight of doing so. So you have to fund them all.
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VeryGrood
only class worse than micro-bio was molecular-bio
09:21 AM on 05/31/2012
It would be cheaper for 1 country to do this on their own? Does anyone have the number for China? The US won't do it... it would hurt the profits of our oil execs and our Saudi "allies" too much. That, and it would require funding for science. The GOP won't let that fly either- they don't want to give us heathens/pagans/heretics any money... No matter what the benefits to society.