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If Red Meat Would Kill You Before Your Time, Would You Still Eat It?

Posted: 04/23/2012 9:06 pm

It sounds like some hypothetical question that people might ask at a party, except it's not.

A recent study you've heard about here, and published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, has concluded that red meat increases death from all causes including cardiovascular disease and cancer. This stands whether a person eats processed (hot dogs) or unprocessed (steak) meats.

Without exaggeration, this is big news!

Why big? First, the study is published in a mainstream medical publication, known for conservative inquiry, not an alternative health journal, in which results could be dismissed -- if unfairly -- as biased or having an axe to grind. Second, the study pool is mammoth and long-term.

The data is from the Nurses' Health Study (1980 and 2008) and the Health Professionals Follow-up Study (1986-2008). Together, they followed more than 120,000 men and women over 2.96 million "person-years." The subjects, whose diets were determined through food frequency questionnaires, were nurses and other health professionals. Generally, as populations go, this one is educated and more likely to have an interest in, or at least knowledge of, healthy lifestyles, as well as the financial ability to obtain quality food and health care. I imagine many of the folks tracked were like you and me, and might read something about diet and health in The Huffington Post.

The authors concluded that substituting one serving per day of other protein sources (like fish, poultry, nuts, legumes, low-fat dairy and whole grains) for one serving of red meat was linked with a reduced risk of death between 7 percent and 19 percent. They estimated that 9.3 percent of men's and 7.6 percent of women's deaths could have been avoided by the end of the study if everybody had eaten less than half a serving (42 grams) per day of red meat.

So the party game gets more nuanced... Would you give up red meat if it decreased your risk of death 10 percent? What about 20 percent? Would your answer be different if the question were substituting one meal of vegan chili or broiled fish for your favorite burger? What if this lowered your risk of death by 10 percent, 15 percent, 20 percent? Pick the number that would get you to change your eating habits!

Perhaps this is akin to what educated people in the 1950s would have asked about quitting cigarettes when the first studies about the health hazards of smoking were published... discussed, likely, over a meal of beef steak followed by a cigarette. It took years, with many more scientific studies amplifying the dangers, before the nasty truth about smoking made a difference in people's behavior.

I don't suggest that red meat is as bad as smoking -- the study does not support this. Smoking is a far greater health hazard! However, this meat study comes on the heels of those like The China Study and others that suggest our reliance on red meat is not healthy and that we'd best shift protein sources to leaner and healthier animal proteins or, better yet, plant proteins.

As some have pointed out, there are drawbacks to the Archives study. It is unlikely that the participants partook of the grass-fed, organic, and/or free range meat widely available today, due to consumer demand. This is the kind I feed myself and my daughter when I cook red meat, which I do occasionally and enjoy immensely. It is leaner and contains a healthier omega-3/omega-6 ratio than standard grain-fed beef. Only now are we learning how pink slime has infiltrated our food chain. Study participants likely had no idea -- so results may be skewed.

Objections aside, the question is will this study on the health effects of red meat change how you eat?

The association of animal protein (especially that loaded with highly saturated fat) and increased health risks is not new. Does the threat of death, as opposed to unpleasant diseases like cancer and heart disease, make a difference in how consumers behave? The fact is that our nation is getting fatter, eating worse, getting unhealthier -- according to myriad sources. This is despite a load of research about the crummy effects on health of the wrong kinds of food.

Is the problem that these studies are only read by the converted or the healthy among us?

How will the meat industry respond to this latest rebuke? Will it persuade some to renew their love affair with beef? Will the debate fade while we return to our burgers and steaks -- avoiding the pink slime, if we're lucky, but suspicious there might be some other less-than-appetizing textured meat product brewing on the horizon?

I suspect for many, it will be burgers as usual. For others, it will involve a shift to quality grass-fed red meat sources, although the latter crowd, along with the vegans and vegetarians for that matter, likely are aware of the link between their health and the food they eat and will eat the right foods anyway.

While death may come equally to us all, and makes us all equal when it comes, it doesn't answer the quotidian question -- what's for dinner?

That's for you to answer.

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11:07 AM on 04/26/2012
How I wish that the field of correlational study in human behavior would disappear with a snap of the fingers.

These observational studies are essentially worthless unless the effect is huge. And no, the effect was not huge in this study. The methods were not published, nor was the data. Only a hand-waving analysis of a flawed set of data.

If I gave you a set of 1000s of photos that had a handful taken in each city of the USA, and then asked you to draw a map of the country JUST based on those photos, would you trust the map? That's basically what we're being told here. It's worthless. And it doesn't matter how many photos of NY or St Louis we add to the set. Unless you have a way to connect them, you will not be able to draw a valid map. We don't know the connections, and we don't have enough photos of different places yet to draw any conclusions.
12:49 AM on 04/26/2012
That's just bad science. There are numerous confounding factors that they didn't even account for like synthetic trans fat intake, harshness of cooking temperature and style, illicit drug use (that one is hard to measure, and factors like psychosocial stress. so much for Harvard epidemiology of nutrition as reliable. The multivariate analysis was terrible and actually produced the association in the first place. If you look at only age-adjusted data the people who ate the 3rd most red meat were the least likely to die, it was only after the multivariate analysis that it became a linear association. But like I just said, they didn't include anywhere near enough variables in their multivariate analysis. That inference is totally invalid, it's shameful, really.

Lame, HP only lets me have 250 characters.

Here's some links http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/
http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.ca/2012/03/2012-red-meat-mortality-study-arch.html
http://suppversity.blogspot.ca/2012/04/meaty-gritty-on-red-meat-debate.html
http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3143

Use your own brains, people. These purported authorities are not very smart. And sometimes they lie, like in The China Study, a propaganda book cited by the journalist here http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2010/09/22/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
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urkiddinme
Former fatty turned fitness freak
06:50 PM on 04/25/2012
Riding in an automobile is pretty risky.
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ginadeoliveira2008
Seen a shooting star tonight and I thought of you
02:54 PM on 04/25/2012
I live in a country where cattle grazes free. Though I had only one steak per week I stopped short when I read the study. Don't want to take risks. I'll indulge once in a while. My cardiologist will love to hear that, I'm sure.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
11:56 PM on 04/25/2012
Well, before you change your diet on the basis of this quite flawed observational study, read this: http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/#utm_source
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
12:49 PM on 04/25/2012
If I could show you proof that red meat is healthy for you, will keep your body-fat low, your hormones balanced, and make you strong and healthy would you eat it?

It sounds like some hypothetical question that people might ask at a party, except it's not.

If you go around looking for studies that validate your per-existing world views on nutrition, ethics and environmentalism, guess what you'll find? Especially if you're willing to accept observational studies when they confirm your biases...
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
01:16 AM on 04/25/2012
I do wish articles like this wouldn't talk about "risk of death". There is no risk of death - it's a 100% certainty. Likelihood of dying sooner is what they're really about.

And no, if anything I'd eat MORE red meat if it meant a ticket out of here before old age.
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08:27 AM on 04/27/2012
These are all age-adjusted results. What they mean is the risk that you will die sooner than you would have. and as for a ticket out of here before old age, the western diseases of excess caused by our diets only just cause the infirmaties of old age to begin at a younger age. So eat more beef, pork, chicken, fish, dairy and eggs and get a jump on dibilitating angina, diabetes induced blindness, colon, breast and prostate cancer and osteoporosis. Why wait until your 80's and 90's to all the chronic diseases when thanks to the great American Diet brought to you by the Dairy Council, American Cattlemens Assoc. and the rest of the animal industrial complex you can start your slow terminal decline in your 50s and 60s! The drug companies will surely thank you for the decades of drugs they can sell you as you vainly attempt to hold the tatters of your health together.
02:30 PM on 06/02/2012
A far more dangerous diet is that described in the USDA food pyramid, with its up-to 11 daily servings of "heart-healthy" grains.

We are most likely at far greater risk of developing heart disease (CAD) from the consumption of high glycemic index carbohydrates, which inevitably leads to Metabolic Syndrome for many people.

The 40 year dominance of the "lipid theory" of heart disease and its low-fat diet recommendation is coming under renewed scrutiny, and it's not faring well. With the most popular (and profitable) statin (Lipitor) now off patent, leaving pharmaceutical companies without a dog in the cholesterol-wars fight and little further interest in controlling the debate as they've done, stand by for some changes.
11:02 PM on 04/24/2012
This article and the research cited are significantly flawed as is most literature demonizing red meat.

Why? For the simple fact that most research looks at red meat procured from sick animals fed an unnatural diet that results in a highly inflammatory and unhealthy product. Give these people grass-fed, healthy, cow meat, from animals in a low-stress environment, where antibiotics and other synthetics are not needed. THEN I'LL LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I-US
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06:32 PM on 04/24/2012
I would hope that at least some people, who don't follow certain meat-heavy diets and thus have ready answers for the question based on talking points and pith rather than thoughtfulness, would actually think about what the study found. This is not the first study to associate red meat and health risks.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
11:54 PM on 04/25/2012
A lot of people have thought about what the study supposedly found and have been completely unpersuaded - and with good reason. The following analysis (just one of a number out there) does a good job of explaining the basis for the skepticism: http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/#utm_source
I-US
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10:29 AM on 04/26/2012
After already pointing out that the analysis being touted above is incomplete, I don't feel compelled to repeat it.
04:23 PM on 04/24/2012
Changing one's behavior in response to an observational study is always risky business. Especially in the case of Americans, many people get their meat in the form of burgers or pizza that contain 30+ processed ingredients so fingering the "one" that causes disease is pretty arbitrary. How can a new epidemic be caused by an ancient whole food?
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08:23 PM on 04/24/2012
I agree that an "ancient whole food" is likely not a health hazard. The problem is that to source that nutritious kind of whole food today, you have to go to a butcher who can find you grass fed, organic fare for which you'll pay through the nose. I suspect only a small elite among us can do that.

The study likely was based on the conventional meat products available in restaurants and grocery stores in the 80's and 90's and, for that matter, today. That cattle is raised on antibiotics (perhaps for not much longer), growth hormone and pallid grain feed. The quality of the resulting meat? Likely a lesser cousin to that ancient food.

Studies also suggest that we are eating more meat (both calorie-wise and per capita) today than our fore-bearers did a hundred years ago. The fact we're consuming more meat suggests that we're eating less of other foods containing important nutrients. This may also play a part in the study's results.
10:21 PM on 04/24/2012
That's probably true. Perhaps if consumers could be persuaded to stigmatize industrial meat and demand the pastured type, it would grow in availability. It will never be as cheap as the industrial meat, but the price difference could bring consumption levels back in line with a hundred years ago.

A major confounding factor in nutrition is that individuals with metabolic syndrome experience an increased appetite for ~everything~ so an observer can retroactively select virtually any of their foods with an elevated intake as "the cause".
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
11:49 PM on 04/25/2012
I can get grass-fed ground beef or $3/lb and other cuts for $7/lb. Considering what potato chips cost per pound and the fact that their consumption is hardly limited to "a small elite among us," I find the canard about how out-of-reach decent meat supposedly is to be a bit tiresome. We are also not eating more meat than our forebears did a hundred years ago, another tired myth.

And as for the study discussed in your article, you might consider reading this analysis of it before you give it a whole lot of credence: http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/#utm_source This study really could have been "Exhibit A" to Dr. John Ioannidis' article entitled "Why Most Published Research Finding Are False" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/?tool=pmcentrez . (For a more accessible look at what Dr. Ioannidis has to say on th subject, here's an article about him that appeared in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/8269)
04:09 PM on 04/24/2012
Luckily I became vegetarian about 6 months ago, and even before I never really liked red meat. Although it is inconvenient not being able to eat chicken, I have noticed that I've been forced to add a lot more vegetables to my meals. One might have a bowl of pasta and think they can balance it by just adding chicken, but for a vegetarian it's a lot more difficult to NOT eat just carbs. You have to think creatively when it comes to finding protein sources.
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
12:50 PM on 04/25/2012
And fat sources.

Good luck.
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Deadliftmcgee
01:45 PM on 04/24/2012
Ugh. You know that study is based on self reporting, right? That the "meat eater group" was also basically the smoking group, no exercise group, drink too much group? The meat eater group also probably ate a lot of carbs in the form of sugar and grains. The meat group also ate more calories. But it had to be the meat right?

Saturated fat is not evil. Sugar is by far more insidious than saturated fat.

I eat grass fed and free range. Near single digit body fat. 400lb deadlift. Perfect health. My vegan friends are either overweight or look like they will snap in a breeze. I'll be having beef for dinner.
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
12:52 PM on 04/25/2012
It's funny how nearly all the "studies" promoting the vegan agenda are poorly done observational studies, requiring massive leaps of faith (or simple believing the author's summary) to take seriously.
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urkiddinme
Former fatty turned fitness freak
06:49 PM on 04/25/2012
This was the ongoing Nurses' study that relies on self-reporting and conveniently ignores the fact that nursing has the highest obesity rate of any profession.
I-US
Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
02:12 PM on 04/26/2012
Do you honestly believe that the Harvard School of Public Health, the National Institutes of Health, and over twenty state agencies that aided and funded this study are pushing a "vegan agenda"?
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urkiddinme
Former fatty turned fitness freak
01:29 PM on 04/24/2012
Another terribly written article polluted by the overuse of exclamation points.
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Greg BIS
09:23 PM on 04/23/2012
I didn't go vegan for health reasons, but there is no doubt it has improved my health.
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
12:54 PM on 04/25/2012
Then you must have been living off drive-through and gas-station food.

Standard American Diet =/= only alternative to veganism despite what some (like the agenda-driven folks who do these kinds of worthless studies) would try and lead you to believe.
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littlejohn
Househusband, former newspaper copy editor
08:45 PM on 04/23/2012
How can the number of deaths be reduced by anything? Everyone has a 100% chance of death.
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Greg BIS
09:25 PM on 04/23/2012
True, but I think most of us would like to delay the inevitable and be healthy and enjoy life for as long as possible.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
01:17 AM on 04/25/2012
Exactly, that sort of nonsense is so annoying.
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jlsst
It is better to light one candle .....
08:29 PM on 04/23/2012
the statistics are staggering ... more red meat - more health problems....
everything in moderation - but how many people actually cut down their meat consumption....
people are addicted to sugar - salt and meat .... and it takes a great deal of restraint to eat a well balanced diet...
I have had people with colon cancer admit that they could not live a day without meat ...
when I was young - there were very few overweight people ..... now it is epidemic....
and it is true - elderly people are not morbidly overweight ....
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Deadliftmcgee
01:49 PM on 04/24/2012
Blame the sugar and grains, which were recommended as the staple of the American Diet 30 years ago by the McGovern Committee. Blame the seed oils that came in vogue 30 years. Blame the HFCS, which came in vogue 30 years ago.

I eat meat, butter, veggies. I'm lean and strong as an Ox (but not nearly as tasty).
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
12:57 PM on 04/25/2012
It's from sugar and consuming too many cereal grains, as well as poorly prepared food.

Overcooked food is bad. It's nutrient poor and often carcinogenic. In particular well-done + meat can be hard on the gut.

But the problem there is not meat consumption, it's "processed food product consumption" (which may include something which was once meat).