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Cheney's Tattered Torture Threads


Some people accept the premise that even if the Iraq war was misguided and mismanaged, the Bush regime was basically motivated to protect Americans. They say the events of 911 were so traumatic, and the terrorists were so crazy, that this justified what was done in our defense. The argument is the same for torture, and any other extreme policy of that era - it was all done to fight those "extremists" who were out to get us. So we shouldn't be too hard on them.

Really?

Because now we hear from administration insider Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff for then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, that Vice President Cheney pushed for using torture tactics in 2002, not necessarily to protect Americans from some kind of ticking time bomb attack, but in order to obtain information from an Iraqi prisoner that would link Saddam Hussein's Iraq to Al Qaeda -- information that would facilitate the selling of the pre-emptive war.

As a former Secretary of Defense, Cheney had to know that torture tactics have been historically used by authoritarian regimes to get false confessions. Exactly like the false confession of spying given to Iran by the recently released American journalist, Roxana Saberi, who lied because she was afraid for her life. It's a pretty simple leap to assume that falsity was exactly what Cheney wanted. That's what the tortured Iraqi prisoner, Al-Libi, gave authorities. After nearly a month of torture, including water boarding, he finally made up a story of how Iraq trained Al Qaeda. So off we went to the United Nations with information now known to be false.

But why would Cheney and the Bush regime do this? Why would these guys push so hard to get us into a war in Iraq if they weren't genuinely worried about our safety? Why would they turn themselves into pretzels of illogic for eight years, trying to explain something that never rang true - never made sense?

We need to look deeper into other areas of Vice President Cheney's legendary secret dark side to try and unravel this thread. Remember Cheney's Energy Task Force? The Bush Administration fought and won multiple lawsuits to keep the records of these meetings secret.

Because of the Enron scandal and Kenneth Lay's involvement in the task force, a few documents did come out. Judicial Watch did a great story at the time, in 2003, noting that plans of occupation and exploitation of oil in Iraq predated September 11. They said, "Documents turned over contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as two charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."

Just exactly what the machinations were behind those closed doors is still unknown, but who benefited is pretty obvious. The invasion of Iraq slowed Middle Eastern oil production and drove up prices; creating record profits for oil companies. Maybe they thought that the war would be just a quick geo-economic power move. Clearly it got out of hand.

One of saddest aspects of the whole torture debacle is that it went viral like a YouTube video. The pictures of widespread abuse at Abu Ghraib show us that. The tone was set from the top. Cheney and Bush, the U.S. Justice Department, the CIA, and private interrogators, all created an environment that condoned many forms of torture, including rape. This despicable program was not necessary for our security. It was an illegal, deliberate attempt to distort the real intentions of the war in Iraq. It also made us less safe.

The perpetrators of the torture policy, at the top, need to be investigated, prosecuted, and punished for breaking our laws. As for the oilmen, we should implement anti-trust laws, and force them to invest a big part of their profits from the last eight years in alternative energy. We could have had a lot more affordable choices by now if we'd had a real competitive market instead of a rigged one. The oil companies should also be made to cover the roofs of Baghdad with solar panels and find some decent electricians to get the place up and running again. You know the oil guys deserve it. ... So do the Iraqis. ... And so do we.

Some people accept the premise that even if the Iraq war was misguided and mismanaged, the Bush regime was basically motivated to protect Americans. They say the events of 911 were so traumatic, and ...
Some people accept the premise that even if the Iraq war was misguided and mismanaged, the Bush regime was basically motivated to protect Americans. They say the events of 911 were so traumatic, and ...
 
 
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Mary Liz Thomson
Filmmaker and writer in Los Angeles
01:47 PM on 05/30/2009
I think getting real investigations and prosecutions could take awhile, but it will happen. I do understand that Obama needs to deal with so many issues first. He needs to be a little more established in office, and the country a little more stable on its feet. I even understand his decision not to release the torture photos right now, because the truth is they will stir up more hatred. But the photos need to be used in a real investigation and come out eventually. The American people's disgust with the despicable and illegal actions during Bush's tenure is why we threw out of office as many Republicans as we could, but that won't be enough. The rule of law will need to be enforced.
08:46 AM on 05/30/2009
"The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Posted a million times. Always worth posting again. Lest we ever forget what kind of twisted lunacy got us into this mess.
03:25 AM on 05/30/2009
When you have a totalitarian facist dictator like George Bush in office, you shouldn't be surprised that you've seen the Geneva Conventions broken on a number of different occasions. Eventually, Bush and Cheney will be behind bars in prison, I think everybody knows that. If torturing your prisoners was so superbly effective, why on earth is it necessary to waterboard the same individual 233 times, I think we all know the answer to that...it's to get him to confess to something he had absolutely nothing to do with in any way. If I tortured YOU, and violated you with a broomstick, as mentioned happened, wouldn't you at some point realizing you've had enough of it, confess to being a 9-11 conspirator? That's what Bush and Cheney were hoping for. Evidently, if they had to torture the same person over two hundred times, evidently it didn't work so well as they thought it would. I wonder if we Waterboarded Cheney while he's in prison, if we could get him to admit that 9-11 was a false flag operation?
11:33 PM on 05/29/2009
If Cheney had just been a better person, perhaps apologetic for what he did, he wouldn't be so hated by the American people. He has taken the wrong tack by defending his actions. It only makes him more disliked. I am ambivalent about whether he should be prosecuted or not. The problem is that while he did the wrong thing I believe he really thought he was doing the right thing. Should be be punished for that? I don't know. If I had to decide one way or the other I would be in favor of indictment.
08:51 AM on 05/30/2009
No apology is going to make this better and no I cannot believe that he really thought he was doing the "right thing". Not unless you intend the "right thing" to mean "more money for me and my friends.
09:41 AM on 05/30/2009
We prosecute people for crimes even if they think they are doing what is right.
06:17 PM on 05/29/2009
Well put - a clear and distinctive line connecting energy/oil to the Iraq Invasion and to torture which was used to try and make a false link between Hussein and 9/11 ... all roads lead to Cheney.
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Eris23Skidoo
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07:35 PM on 05/29/2009
The tricky part is that since the secret energy meetings pre-dated 9/11, there must have been a plan to invade Iraq. This means there had to be a plan to frame Iraq for something, but what was that something? Right around the same time as the secret energy meetings, John Ashcroft stopped flying public airplanes. Something must have leaked to his office. He wasn't a neo-con, so he can't have been let in on the plan; but he was also highly respected by his employees. Likely one of them was a neocon and had been let in on the plan and warned him in order to protect him.
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fairwitness
Not content with stunned disbelief
04:52 PM on 05/29/2009
There have been hundreds, maybe thousands of posts, blogs and articles to date on this subject--some of the most eloquent and logical, even inspriational, writing I've ever seen has been done to make the point that torture and torturers cannot go uninvestigated and unprosecuted.

So why no actual ACTION on this? If it were any other "interst group" calmoring for federal attention, with so many reputable and well-regarded academics, clerics and just smart, moral people asking for nothing so much as lawful accountability, they would have long-since been accomodated by the Congress and the Executive--things would have happened in response to the vast outpouring of demand.

But not in this case.

Makes me think they are ALL complicit and so liable. Including Obama, now that he's the chief obstruction to investigations. What corruption we live under, when torture--TORTURE!-- is the American heritage, protected and defended by our representatives!
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blaqntelligence
04:18 PM on 05/29/2009
With all the dark and illegal misdeeds we learn these criminals were involved in, why is it such a leap of logic to believe they had something to do with 9/11?
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:33 PM on 05/29/2009
Its not. Painfully obvious, in fact.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
03:34 PM on 05/30/2009
It's not that we don't believe that they might have had something to do with it, it's that there's no EVIDENCE for that! There's TONS of evidence that they ignored every sign, there's TONS of evidence that what we thought happened actually happened, and ZERO evidence that bush was involved!
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blaqntelligence
09:23 AM on 06/01/2009
Until recently, many people believed that the war in Iraq was justified and believed the bush/cheney regime was keeping us safe.
But inconvenient truths kept popping up like dandelions:
Scott McClellan's book....
Those awful Abu Ghraib photos....
Admissions of torture.....
Concessions that cheney/bush lied......
In 2002, 3, 4, 5 those nasty little secrets were buried as deep as cheney's favorite "black sites" And STILL they came to light.
What of cheney's plan to invade Iraq before 9/11? Are we to blindly believe that, lo and behold, an opportunity just "dropped" out of the sky in the guise of terrorists attacking this country?