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The Climate Post: As Markets Dive, Clean Energy Stocks Hit by "Triple Whammy"

Posted: 08/11/11 05:45 PM ET

The stock market took a beating this week, after rating agency Standard & Poor's downgraded U.S. bonds -- but clean tech stocks have been falling even faster than the market as a whole.

Shares in clean energy companies have been hit by a "triple whammy" -- producing too much capacity for the demand, problems with government debt, and broader risk aversion among investors. As a part of this, clean energy venture capital funding has dropped 44 percent when compared with last year.

Analysts from the global bank HSBC said wind energy stocks are undervalued and their prices could fall more as debt crises in both the United States and European Union stand to cut wind subsidies further. There are more than seven gigawatts of wind projects under construction now -- but few planned beyond 2013 because of uncertainty about policies.

Solar stocks were down after many companies reported dismal second-quarter results, as prices on panels fell -- but not as fast as the costs of producing them--and as their margins shrank. First Solar, the biggest solar panel manufacturer outside of China, boosted production but suffered a large drop in profits -- and their share price. Suntech, the biggest manufacturer, also saw its stock fall, hitting a one-year low.

But some analysts say renewables stocks are bottoming out, and are set to rise again.

Adjusting to No Nukes

Germany decided to phase out nuclear power within 10 years and rely more heavily on renewables, and the country's utilities are scrambling to adjust. E.ON, the world's biggest utility in terms of sales, suffered its first-ever quarterly loss and is laying off 11,000 workers as it aims to boost its spending on renewables.

Another utility, RWE, is also selling off assets to cope with poor performance -- but is planning to stick with its renewables investments.

Making the Military Green

The U.S. military is the single biggest user of oil in the world, and has been warned by analysts its dependence is a security threat. Now the U.S. Army has formed a new renewables office that may spend $7 billion over the next decade on renewable and alternative energy power.

Although the military has a target of using 25 percent renewable energy by 2025, many installations lack the expertise to move forward quickly enough, said the U.S. Department of Defense, and the new office aims to fill that gap.

Meanwhile, units within the mega-corporations Boeing and Siemens have teamed up to pursue military contracts for smart-grid technologies, which the military could develop and bring down the costs, helping them reach the market later.

Risky Business

With oil prices high and political uncertainty in many oil-exporting countries, the U.S. faces near-record energy security risks, according to a new U.S. Chamber of Commerce report. In 2010, their energy risk index is as high, as in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and near the record high of 2008. The Chamber predicts the risk level will remain high for another 25 years.

With gloomy economic prospects, the International Energy Agency (IEA), the U.S. Energy Information Administration, and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries all agreed oil demand later this year is likely to be less than they had thought.

With Saudi Arabia boosting its production to the highest level in 30 years, oil prices have fallen a bit in recent weeks, but this is largely because of weak economies, the IEA said.

The Climate Post offers a rundown of the week in climate and energy news. It is produced each Thursday by Duke University's Nicholas Institute for Environmental Policy Solutions.

 
 
 
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oildad
03:14 PM on 08/16/2011
As everyone is, the article is hopeful some of the problems with wind energy can be overcome. This article doesn't try to hide any of the problems with wind energy.

http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/wind.php
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
11:02 AM on 08/16/2011
Evergreen Solar filed for bankruptcy. This was one of Obama's prime examples of good investment in green tech companies that would create a new wave of great American jobs.

They took lots of money from the government and promised 800 jobs. When they found the market wouldn't support their prices, they first moved the jobs to China. Now they have filed for bankruptcy.

Beware the 'green jobs' myth. There is nothing magical about green tech. It follows the same rules as any other high tech investment. If competing technologies are available at better prices the investment will fail and the jobs will be lost.
08:54 PM on 08/20/2011
Fiddler3 you are so backwards and clueless, it is entirely amazing that you even have the gull to post such utter nonsense. Read a book; please know what talking about before speaking ever again.

Evergreen would still be in business if Obama had not raised the expectations of an American feed in subsidy for solar energy and then completely failed to deliver on his “green jobs” promise what so ever. Obama is on your side (Fiddler3) because just you wanted he has done nothing to support green jobs, so please hold the crap and stop attempting to blame “green Jobs” for wrecking the economy????? WTF!!
08:56 PM on 08/20/2011
First- Even though the United States is the largest economy in the world Germany, Italy, and Spain all have far larger solar markets than the U.S. right now.
Second Solar energy in the past five years has been one most successful growth industries in the world thanks to European subsides and in spite what tis comparatively a complete lack of support from the U.S. The fast growth of industry just the past few years has enable solar panel companies to produce with greater economies of scale, which have driven the market price straight down faster than anyone ever imagined. The price unsubsidized market price for solar energy is now coming closer and closer with the cost traditional dirty power sources (at the current rate it would reach parity in the next two years). Solar subsidies are one of the biggest global success stories of the decade! Too bad the United State had almost nothing to do with it.
Third Obama did indeed campaign on green jobs then claimed he would deliver new green jobs with the $800 billion dollar stimulus bill. Well guess what anyone working in green energy or attempting to start a company in green technologies learned right away “HE Lied”!! In the end only a billion was set aside for green initiatives (mostly credits for resealing window or buying hybrid golf carts). The other $899 billion went to fund state government worker pensions (which of course does not do anything to stimulate the economy or create jobs).
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BluePhantom2
The Blacksmith & the Artist reflected in their art
07:16 PM on 08/15/2011
Green subsidy is going away! Thats why the market is tanking. The rent seekers are taking their money and running.
03:42 PM on 08/15/2011
I have family directly involved in the wind turbine debate. I wish I could throw down names and figures but people would get fired. These pet green projects are subsidized through "green energy credits" mandated in some states. These credits are forcing utilities to pass higher energy costs to consumers in order to pay for green techs. Unfortunately these techs do not yeild a high return in power production to offset the expense of building them. The result is more financial strain on communities coupled with an inability to attract new industries due to higher utility prices. The initial attraction of renewables is great but the reality is that they are more of a tourist curiosity than a money saver or maker.
04:29 PM on 08/15/2011
You're wrong. With a good wind resource, commercial-scale wind is the same cost or cheaper than *new* coal, natural gas or nuclear plants. Big fossil fuels like to tout that their generation is so much cheaper, but that is simply not true. The only thing cheaper than new wind farms are coal and nuclear plants that have already been around for 30 years, because their capital investments are already paid off. You need to compare apples-to-apples when you look at energy prices; that means new equipment, not 30 year old equipment.
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BluePhantom2
The Blacksmith & the Artist reflected in their art
07:15 PM on 08/15/2011
And as always with the Green arguement you all do seem to forget that new wind sources need something (Coal, Gas or Nuke) to serve as back-up for when the wind isn't blowing.
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
11:07 AM on 08/16/2011
You're right. Government warping of the market only creates inefficiencies. Those inefficiencies cost money. Right now, that either falls on taxpayers or on consumers. The taxpayers are tapped out, so it flow to the consumers. A nasty present from your friendly government.

It wouldn't be so bad if the intent was at least pure -- but these deals are usually done in an opaque way, with backroom agreements and slick marketing. In the end, the communities are stuck with an awful system that doesn't perform as advertised and that will be an albatross around their necks for decades.
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pjlim
10:46 AM on 08/15/2011
The citizens of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania won't have to worry about Clean Energy....stocks or otherwise....as our brilliant (and I use the term loosely) GOP governor is forcing all government employees to sign a contract forbidding them from mentioning clean energy or risk losing their jobs. The Clean Energy ?commission has been completely dismantled as our erstwhile governor is promoting all Marcellus Shale all of the time. think he wants a consulting job with the industry after his term is up and he has ruing the environment, air, water, land, her in PA?????
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Minolta321
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12:29 AM on 08/15/2011
Spain lost two jobs for every job it created with green energy. Switching to expensive energy is like going to all your remaining industry and asking them to leave or pay a huge tax. Many leave...and the jobs go with them, to some country with significantly cheaper energy where they can survive as a company instead of folding under the burden of expensive green energy.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
04:37 PM on 08/14/2011
"But the sharp decrease does not reveal flagging investor interest in clean tech, according to Ernst & Young. Rather, the drop is a fluke of timing."

How did the rest of the venture market drop? as much? more?

The big problem is the green tech have only 1/100th as much money to buy politicians.

Coal and nukes get way more subsidies, even though they supposedly mature, and profitable, why? because they buy politicians.

http://www.grist.org/list/2011-06-14-your-tax-dollars-subsidize-the-sht-out-of-coal

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2010/08/01/solar-energy-cheaper-than-nuclear-energy/
http://www.ncwarn.org/2010/07/solar-and-nuclear-costs-the-historic-crossover/
http://www.ncwarn.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/NCW-SolarReport_final1.pdf
http://www.grist.org/article/2011-06-16-german-rooftop-solar-price-averages-less-than-4-per-watt

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=sunergy-offers-5-cent-solar-billing-2009-12
12:16 PM on 08/14/2011
These techs are just not viable. Our community built four 1.5 MW wind turbines in 2004. We haven't built any since. Why? Because they are not producing power at predetermined levels. The power they do produce is nearly double the price we can purchase from the utility company. This is why clean energies are losing money and support.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
04:49 PM on 08/14/2011
Sure, tell us you location and give us a link to your anecdotal story.
Even if true, it means nothing. Does Chernobyl define nuclear power?
rooftop pv, offshore wind, and waste bio fuels together can supply all our energy needs, 24/7, carbon negative, land negative, forever, already cheaper then nukes, clean coal and oil wars.
10:24 AM on 08/15/2011
Location, are you crazy? Give a link to a clean energy supplier disclosing the price of their power. Better yet, One up me! Install every rooftop clean energy you can get your hands on and go off the grid. Post your success for the world to see. If you don't mind putting your money where your mouth is!
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
09:41 PM on 08/14/2011
Even the biggest wind farms (like Altamont Pass in California)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Pass_Wind_Farm

are absolutely dependent upon government subsidies for their capital and government mandated premium prices for their product.

They are a TERRIBLE investment in an era of shrinking governments....
09:43 AM on 08/14/2011
The bad economic news for clean energy underscores the fact that we have become dependent on private markets for the answers to some of the most entrenched and daunting problems the world has ever faced. Finding a way forward will be a difficult traverse for innovators as walk an economic razors edge with recession pressing in on one side and resource depletion on the other.

I've been arguing for some time now that changing the way the real estate market functions is the easiest way to inject the financial capital needed to affect broad change. For most of us, real estate is the single largest transactio­n we will ever make. Collective­ly, the US real estate market represents trillions of dollars of private wealth. Why not use this money to build communitie­s that reflect our values and aspiration­s? Why do we let developers decide what are communitie­s will look like and then pocket the enormous profits?

What is needed is a venue to buy homes collective­ly, instead of as individual­s, purchasing sustainabl­e communitie­s, instead of homes. This perhaps sounds daunting, but the internet and social networking provide a perfect medium, it is only a matter of building support and awareness for the concept.

http://ome­gaproject.­us
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Dadfirst
Reasonable comments in an unreasonable world
01:37 AM on 08/14/2011
When the costs make sense, the public will embrace FREE energy. It's all about economics people. Very few people will be willing to pay $45-50M for an electric car that goes 40 miles on a charge.
05:32 PM on 08/13/2011
It's ironic that the largest consumer, the DoD is constantly reporting that's exposure to risk due to petroleum is increasing. I'm sure someone is floating the idea that an expensive study be conducted for building solar powered submarines. Dick Cheney probably.
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Reno Fickler
Head Lifeguard/Dead Sea Marina
03:56 PM on 08/12/2011
The market is up 400, down three million, the left is right the right is wrong.
The end of the tumultuous week? Oil is where it was and the Dow is down a 100.
Welcome to the BS of Wall Street. Where everything is an illusion. Especially your money.
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Under Fed yet Fed Up
Always great distaste for both political parties
11:33 AM on 08/12/2011
It is typical that new technologies are developed over a period of years and begin as money losers then gradually move towards profitability and, perhaps, competitiveness. Most of the green energy technologies are in the early part of that curve and lose money without government subsidies.

With the US government less able to subsidize any business/market these technologies are exposed to normal market pressures and their true current value becomes visible. The stock market investors are anticipating a cut in government subsidies.
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Dadfirst
Reasonable comments in an unreasonable world
01:39 AM on 08/14/2011
Makes perfect sense. Most technologies are funded by private research when companies know that the technology is close. The dearth of private money coming into these projects should tell you something.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
09:45 PM on 08/14/2011
"It is typical that new technologi­es are developed over a period of years and begin as money losers then gradually move towards profitabil­ity and, perhaps, competitiv­eness. Most of the green energy technologi­es are in the early part of that curve and lose money without government subsidies."

You are kidding, right? Wind energy has been around a LONG LONG time.

http://www.1900s.org.uk/windmill-edmonton.htm

Wind energy is great - if you ignore the capital costs. With all commodities going up, capital costs will only get worse.....
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Under Fed yet Fed Up
Always great distaste for both political parties
10:16 PM on 08/14/2011
Water energy and animal energy have also been around a long time. But just because something has been around doesn't mean it's well developed.

Wind powered electrical generation still has some very real cost challenges to overcome as well as a couple of environmental issues. We've seen a 40% increase in efficiency in the past ten to twelve years. But more is available. And maintenance costs are still not well contained. But that too is improving significantly.
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09:16 AM on 08/12/2011
Seems to me that clean-tech stocks have taken a huge hit ever since the GOP were sworn into the House of Representatives. Perhaps the Party of Big Oil is making their weight felt.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
05:02 PM on 08/12/2011
their is no Upside financially in them..invest in Green? or Apple?..
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oildad
02:56 PM on 08/16/2011
Nope, just market forces and common sense. Energy was expensive in the late 70s and I really wanted to do solar cells, even with some tax breaks it was too expensive and would not last long enough to pay for itself, just like today. You feel free to rig yourself up some and tell us how much money you save...
07:56 AM on 08/12/2011
Maybe it is because the green energy companies generally don't make any money and *all* of them are dependent on government kickbacks to work. Kickbacks that will likely be going away globally soon.
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09:19 AM on 08/12/2011
Perhaps oil companies would be willing to forego the many billions of dollars in tax subsidies that the GOP passed for them at the beginning of the Bush years? Or are oil company kickbacks "good", but much smaller incentives to alternative energy industries "bad"?
09:32 AM on 08/12/2011
All tax giveaways are bad, next question.