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Rick Santorum Now Claims He Never Compared Homosexuality with Bestiality

Posted: 01/ 9/2012 6:19 pm

I'm pretty sure Rick Santorum lied to my face on Friday.

I was in Manchester, N.H. for one of Santorum's "Faith, Family, and Freedom" town hall meetings. As the event was getting underway, I asked Bill Boyd, one of Santorum's spokesmen, about an event earlier in the day in which college students in Concord had confronted the senator about his views on sexuality. With the country moving away from Santorum on sexuality, how did the senator hope to reach his fellow Americans on these issues?

Boyd remarked that Santorum is tolerant of other views and that he hopes Americans will extend Santorum the same courtesy and respect. "But the senator has compared loving homosexual relationships with bestiality," I remarked. Boyd apologized; he wasn't "informed about that quote."

As the event wound down, I started to ask Santorum the same question. He broke in: "Read the quote." He hadn't compared the two, he claimed.

I was bewildered. Of course he has -- it's well-documented. How is this even up for debate?

I pressed back, but he wasn't having any of it: "Read the quote." One of his staffers turned to me, and with the sanctimonious expression of a parent reprimanding a child, exhorted me to do the same.

I felt embarrassed. Had I misremembered the quotation? Worse, had I swallowed some leftist propaganda about the guy and then thrown it at his feet?

So I sat down and read the quotation. It's from a 2003 interview with USA Today, and while the entire second half of the transcript is illuminating, the most damning quotation is this:

"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

I then stumbled across an interview from a couple of days ago, in which Santorum denies that he was associating homosexuality with pedophilia or bestiality. CNN's John King reads the quotation to Santorum, and Santorum responds, "Hold on one second, John. Read the quote. I said it's not. I didn't say it is. I did not connect them. I specifically excluded them."

In other words, Santorum is claiming that the "it's not" is meant to distinguish homosexuality from "man on child" and "man on dog." He wasn't equating homosexuality with pedophilia or bestiality, he says. He was separating the two.

But of course, that's not what he was doing. If you read the whole interview (or any number of other Santorum quotations), you'll see that he's not shy about his views on homosexuality. In his world, there is one acceptable kind of sex -- between a married man and woman -- and everything else is dangerous and unacceptable.

More galling, though, is his attempt to re-parse this quotation now that he's running for president. Because of course, his rereading of the quotation makes little sense. Take another look:

"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

The "it" in "it's not" doesn't refer to "homosexuality." It refers to "the definition of marriage." Follow it through:

"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. [The definition of marriage] is not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. [The definition of marriage] is one thing.

At one level, none of this matters. Santorum's disdain for homosexuality is clear, and I doubt many voters are going to weigh their support for him based on whether he actually equated gay Americans with people who have sex with dogs.

On the other hand, that's what he did, and nobody should let him get away with pretending otherwise.

 

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I'm pretty sure Rick Santorum lied to my face on Friday. I was in Manchester, N.H. for one of Santorum's "Faith, Family, and Freedom" town hall meetings. As the event was getting underway, I asked Bi...
I'm pretty sure Rick Santorum lied to my face on Friday. I was in Manchester, N.H. for one of Santorum's "Faith, Family, and Freedom" town hall meetings. As the event was getting underway, I asked Bi...
 
 
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08:37 PM on 01/10/2012
I have to agree with Santorum's explanation here. He did not compare them, he distinguished homosexuality, bestiality and pedophelia as a group of things that are not the same as marriage. He did not say those things were alike. It may be a ref call, I give it to the candidate this time, but there are soooo many other Santorum quotes out there.
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AndrewFrisbie05
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06:49 AM on 01/14/2012
It doesn't matter whether he expressly said that they're the same or not. He separated sexuality into two categories: Acceptable and unacceptable. Included vs. Excluded. Regardless of whether or not he directly said that they're the same, the rhetoric says otherwise.

Homosexuality should never have been uttered in the same breath as pedophelia or beastiality. They're COMPLETELY different things, and homosexuals deserve more respect than to be compared to criminals.(i.e.-beastiality AND pedophelia are crimes)


His explanation made less sense than the quote itself. In fact, it was far more dishonest than the quote, because he had time to think about it first.
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FilthyHarry
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03:12 PM on 01/14/2012
I disagree, what he is clearly doing is saying that homosexuality, bestiality, polygamy are not separate things to be fought against separately, they are one thing, thus accepting homosexuality is to accept bestiality and polygamy.

When he says 'not to pick on' he's specifically pointing out it is not separate from the other things.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
06:38 PM on 01/10/2012
Rick, didn't they teach you not to lie. That is a sin, too, in your religion.
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TFProleteriat
Hey, my micro bio is empty.
12:37 AM on 01/12/2012
But its a venereal sin... no that's veneal, sorry. Got lie mixed with some santorum.
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walkerhds
03:24 PM on 01/14/2012
you do know that Rick is an attorney. in his mind, he's not lying.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
02:07 PM on 01/17/2012
Probably. The delusion is strong in that one.
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05:33 PM on 01/10/2012
That's called being a pathological liar.
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alortiz
12:53 PM on 01/10/2012
Santorum can run (lie) but he can't hide ( from the truth). The hatred that comes out of this guy is intense. How can he ever expect to be elected to anything again?
matt50
Every job isa selfportrait of the person who did i
12:04 PM on 01/10/2012
Who cares, why don't we focus on a real issue like how to get companys to bring jobs back to American workers, what needs to be done to make this happen.
02:25 PM on 01/10/2012
That's easy, STEP 1: Walmart needs to start paying a fair price again for what they sell instead of driving their suppliers into selling lower than their costs to manufacture in America. STEP 2: American manufacturers need to focus more on keeping the workforce employed and not on their profits. STEP 3: Every American needs to pay a little more for buying goods made in America again! (then repeat)
08:31 AM on 01/15/2012
I am not employed and you want me, as an American, to "pay more" for my goods? And how do I do that, pray tell?
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Angel1999
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03:57 PM on 01/10/2012
Because his intent is to criminalize homosexuality. The idea that I will be labeled a criminal if this person (I use the term loosely) is elected makes it pretty important to me.
matt50
Every job isa selfportrait of the person who did i
04:48 PM on 01/10/2012
Sorry if I offened, I was just making a point that I wish they would focus on larger issues during presidential campaigns. I think these are state level issues, not federal level issues. Just my opion, and I'm not a Santorum fan, I shouldn't have been so short with my comment.
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persuter
11:44 AM on 01/10/2012
Is this a surprise? The man is claiming that he didn't say "black people" from like a week ago - changing a 2003 quote is nothing.
08:33 AM on 01/15/2012
Am I missing something here? What's wrong with saying "black people?"
11:32 AM on 01/10/2012
I guess technically he did not compare the two, but only in the same way that one tries to get out of a pot smoking conviction by saying you never actually inhaled. While he does not verbally compare the two, he did put them in the same category and then labled that category as "wrong and ther for should be illegal"
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silverball
10:51 AM on 01/10/2012
.....a republi-CON lying or misrepresenting something he ACTUALLY said???....i'm shocked.... shocked i tell you.....
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mercury613
In the blue TV screen light
10:30 AM on 01/10/2012
A conservative Christian who is a liar? Wow. I'm shocked.
09:26 AM on 01/10/2012
I read through the interview Matt. Santorum is right about what he said and you're wrong, and it's not that difficult to figure out. That doesn't make him any better as a candidate. The fellow doesn't believe in any right to privacy--that's pretty much anathema to any sane person. And of course he is truly anti-gay, and his distinguishing between "loving the sin" and "hating the sinner", as he does in the interview, is BS--especially when we're talking about public policy. He also claims in that interview that no society has ever condoned homosexuality--the level of ignorance he displays shouldn't be found in a schoolteacher, no less than a president. But he's bad enough as is without having to distort what he says.
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silverball
10:54 AM on 01/10/2012
....sorry....YOU are WRONG.....re-read it and it is VERY clear what he was saying......pay close attention to the substitution of "it" for the "definition of marriage"...pretty obvious.....
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persuter
11:43 AM on 01/10/2012
lol, I always love the "Well, I see your line of reasoning, but you're just wrong, and I'm not going to present even a scintilla of evidence to back up my argument" tactic.
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
08:22 AM on 01/10/2012
....' "In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. [The definition of marriage] is not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. [The definition of marriage] is one thing. ...'

And why are Liberals getting their panties all in a bunch over this? Santorum says that in his opinion marriage is not man on child or man on dog....that just shows how old I am, because I don't think marriage is man on child or man on dog either.

Saying that down thru the ages the definition of marriage is that which is between a man and a woman is...well.....common knowledge.
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ohiotechie
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08:43 AM on 01/10/2012
Um.. because he's comparing loving, committed gay relationships with bestiality and pedophilia.. something he's now claiming he's never done.

There is nothing even remotely similar between bestiality and being gay. Being gay does not make one a pedophile. To even suggest this is repugnant - that's the reason.
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RichTBikkies
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08:45 AM on 01/10/2012
"Common knowledge"?

Yeah, I guess you're one of those who think that holding conservative views and not thinking much about politics is being non-political.

Well, it aint.
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fredpa
I will try again tomorrow.
08:15 AM on 01/10/2012
I agree with you Matt, but I have to draw on the larger body of his pronouncements. The core difficulty here is the imprecision with which nearly all these politicians speak. Pronoun reference is very important, and this is an ambiguous reference, pure and simple.
08:10 AM on 01/10/2012
In 2008, people who disliked Palin for VP (due to her inexperience, her helicopter hunting trips, her lies, etc) were said to be vindictive and just disliking her because she was so pretty (?). duh. The same people who are outraged by Santorum's quote and his belief system that wants to repeal laws, make certain sexual practices illegal, bar gay adoptions are said to be vindictive and mean. Sounds similar. I very greatly disliked Palin, I very greatly dislike Santorum. I don't care what he believes in his personal life, but he wants to change the country to reflect his beliefs.
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rockysparks
there's no law against being annoying.
03:36 AM on 01/10/2012
Waiter, please get a fire extinguisher. That dreary Mr. Santorum's pants are on fire again ...
02:02 AM on 01/10/2012
There should be no gay people and straight people should do it through a sheet in the dark and only missionary position, anything other than that is contrary to natural law and disgusting!!!! Pope Ricky Sanitrium has spoken.
proudcalib
I never said it was going to be easy
11:31 AM on 01/10/2012
A president of the United States swears to protect the civil rights of ALL CITIZENS, not just those he agress with.
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yoyo1900
03:01 PM on 01/14/2012
So true. If a candidate wants my vote then he/she had better represent all of us and I mean ALL. These bible thumper canidates are dividing not uniting this country of ours.