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The "Ground Zero Mosque" that we have been and will be hearing so much about is not exactly a mosque, nor is it at Ground Zero. Here's why: you can't see Ground Zero -- the former site of the World Trade Center -- from the future site of the Cordoba House.

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From 45 Park Place, the former Burlington Coat Factory building that will make way for the Cordoba House, it's two blocks, around a corner, to get to the WTC site. Park Place doesn't lie between the construction site and any mass transit stations, so you would need to go out of your way to have it offend you.

If you look up the walking directions you'll notice that it takes a couple of minutes to walk the distance (approximately a tenth of a mile) between the two spots. Pretty much two minutes exactly when I took the trip with a shaky video camera. Here's the clip, first sped up to 4X speed then slowed down to 1X:


When the new World Trade Center rises, you'll be able to see it from 45 Park Place, because it'll be by far the tallest thing around. The planned Cordoba House will be dwarfed. It certainly won't overlook or overshadow Ground Zero.

Why is the distance between the two sites so important? Simple accuracy, for one. It's frustrating to see so many commentators blithely disregard an obvious, physical problem with the "mosque at Ground Zero" formulation: it's not at Ground Zero.

Clyde Haberman of the New York Times further explains the significance:

There's that "at." For a two-letter word, it packs quite a wallop. It has been tossed around in a manner both cavalier and disingenuous, with an intention by some to inflame passions. Nobody, regardless of political leanings, would tolerate a mosque at ground zero. "Near" is not the same, as anyone who paid attention back in the fourth grade should know.


I understand the journalist's impulse to use the "Ground Zero Mosque" shorthand to instantly remind readers why they should care about the story. Headlines leave out qualifiers like "near" all the time for brevity's sake. But in this case the elision is critical; leaving out the "near" clearly takes sides -- against the "mosque" and against accuracy.

In addition, the building planned for 45 Park Place is a cultural center with a prayer room -- not a single-purpose house of worship for Muslims, which is probably what we should reserve the word "mosque" for. As Haberman also explains, "That it may even be called a mosque is debatable. It is designed as a multi-use complex with a space set aside for prayer -- no minarets, no muezzin calls to prayer blaring onto Park Place."

The 92nd Street Y, on which the Cordoba House is explicitly modeled, has a whole host of Jewish events take place inside of it, but no one calls it a synagogue. There's no good reason why Cordoba House should be misleadingly called a "mosque." I've been guilty of using this word too, in conversation and in writing, but it's inaccurate. Muslims already read the Quran and pray at 45 Park Place, but that does not and will not turn it into a "mosque."

There's one more catch for the opponents of the so-called Ground Zero mosque: by the same logical leap you can call the Cordoba Center a "mosque," you can also call Ground Zero as it already exists a giant, open-air mosque. Muslim prayers are already taking place right on the edge of the construction site, and not for world domination. Families are going there to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11.

 
The "Ground Zero Mosque" that we have been and will be hearing so much about is not exactly a mosque, nor is it at Ground Zero. Here's why: you can't see Ground Zero -- the former site of the World Tr...
The "Ground Zero Mosque" that we have been and will be hearing so much about is not exactly a mosque, nor is it at Ground Zero. Here's why: you can't see Ground Zero -- the former site of the World Tr...
 
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08:26 PM on 09/21/2010
There was a mosque IN the World Trade Center, AT Ground Zero, BEFORE 9/11. There was also a mosque in the Pentagon complex, AT Ground Zero #2, BEFORE 9/11. THEY ALREADY EXISTED, This phony outrage against the Community Center is ridiculous­. Moderate Muslims were killed right along with Christians ,Jews, and all other religions on 9/11 in airplanes, at the Trade Center and at the Pentagon. AND... moderate Muslims are in our military TODAY, fighting TERRORISM and protecting OUR freedom. This intoleranc­e in a country that brags about it's freedoms is sickening.
01:24 PM on 09/07/2010
To this day I still do not understand the unholy alliance between the liberal left and Islam. The people who tend to gravitate politicall­y to the left are usually feminist, atheist,ho­mosexual, minority groups and environmen­tal activist. If you look at the Islamic culture in the middle east, especially in countries proclaimin­g sharia law, most of the people who are big supporters here would be stoned to death, lashed or expelled. The only reason I can think why a person would support a religion that would not tolerate them is because it is a vote to not support Christiani­ty. If that is not it, then they are just suicidal. Check out this link to a young girl being stoned in an Islamic country. After watching it, tell me you really support Islam as a peace loving religion. We should welcome Middle Easterners as immigrants if they are coming here for a better life and assimilate into our culture. We cannot tolerate them bringing their radical ideologies to this country and then using our constituti­on to protect their hatred of America. . http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=2rgSH0h45­Eo
04:30 PM on 09/07/2010
Dear Dave,
You are wrong on so many things, I don't know wherer to start.

Do you think Bushie/Chi­ck Deney's torture of prisoners was what Jesus would had preached to do???? Government­s are not the reliigion, although they use religion to manipulate the masses.
I have known many compassion­ist and kind Muslims. I am a Christitia­n, but I am also an American and to me that means religious freedom.
I recommend the Radical Right starts being Americans, too.
04:50 PM on 09/07/2010
bcarb,

Where did I say Bush and Cheney were saints? Bush was the puppet of the corporate fascist machine that was empire building for the global bankers and demon spawn Cheney! Evil Bum!
What I am saying is Islam (as a whole) is the most oppressive religion in the world. Name me a few middle eastern countries where Jews, Christians and Muslims worship side by side in peace and Muslims can convert to any other religion without being stoned to death. They can't. I agree that there are peaceful Muslims here and in the middle east. The ones that are here are here to get away from the craziness. But they do not go to mosques with radical imams expousing hatred for the US, That is the reason they left their home. The peaceful Muslims in Muslim country's are silent out of fear. Again I stand by my premise, Islam as practiced in the middle east is oppressive and Left leaning liberals are crazy for supporting it. If you are a woman and defy your husband, they beat or stone them, If you are caught as a homosexual­, you are hung or stoned to death. This is how Islam is practiced in the middle east. Cold hard fact. Liberals better figure this out, because Sharia law is coming to a town near you, just ask France!
12:03 AM on 09/07/2010
This whole situation has me in a daze of disbelief. Although I understand (and agree) with the resentment we Americans might hold to the ones responsibl­e for the tragedy of 9/11, a clear mind must be taken to this situation. As the article states, this isn't being built "on ground zero". And not to mention the fact that all not all people of Muslim faith supported, were behind, etc, etc, etc the Trade Centers. Under the first amendment, these people have the right to a place of worship, whether you or I agree with it. Simple as that.
12:42 AM on 09/06/2010
So here's a democratic thought: We will just go right ahead and let them build the Mosque. We can then build a gay bar right next to the new mosque, and call it "The Turban Cowboy", or "You Mecca me Hot". Across the street, we can open up a fast food joint that specialize­s in pork products, and right next door, a women's lingerie shop with live models in tight bikinis in the windows. After all, it is America isn't it?
02:56 PM on 09/06/2010
If you want to devote that much energy and money into making someone uncomforta­ble because of their religious beliefs, then that's up to you, as long as you don't intend to harm anyone. Because this IS America. Those up in arms want to quote the constituti­on like the bible and claim to be patriots, but they are quick to ignore the rights afforded to all of us when it benefits them.
03:07 PM on 09/12/2010
It's not a mosque. Didn't you read the article?
05:45 PM on 09/01/2010
My sister's stepson is half Muslim and a new father to a beautiful son, Jalil. I would hope that things are better by the time Jalil comes of age but human nature being what it is, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Here in the US we careen from one crisis (imagined or otherwise) to the next, with various public movements coming to the fore for awhile. Sadly, many of these are narrow-min­ded and exclusive and not a step forward, witness the discussion of the "mosque at Ground Zero (the World Trade Center site)" which is neither a mosque nor right at Ground Zero. Many choose to regard it is an affront because it is Muslim, but I would view it as an affirmatio­n that this is an open-minde­d, religiousl­y tolerant society. This country was reputedly founded for freedom to practice religion -- what better way to say to terrorists that we don't abandon our principles and hate religions just for expediency or what our glands and reptilian brains tell us to.

Sadly, it just ain't so for much of the population­.
04:56 PM on 09/01/2010
This issue is just being drummed up to polarize people back into their respective Dem/Rep camps and to prevent them from paying attention to real issues. Did you know the Imam of the mosque is a member of the Council on Foreign relations and recieves financial backing from The Rockerfell­ers, Carnegie Foundation­, Ford Foundation and a major share holder of Fox News. This is clearly part of the globalist plot to devide and conquer. Wake up everyone!!
09:32 PM on 08/31/2010
honestly, this wouldn't be an issue outside an election year. the politician­s who oppose this are simply doing so to get people divided on another issue before elections. watch, after november nobody will care about any of this stuff.
05:19 PM on 08/31/2010
It does not look very far from ground zero. In fact having been hit by landing gear from the weapon the enemy used against us I would call it ground zero. Plus the imam who wants to build this mosque has stated that he chose the site because of its proximity to ground zero. Finally I heard on a news station that the enemy in Afganistan is recruiting based on Americas bigotry about this mosque, I say to those who say we are helping the enemy by opposing this mosque i say i REFUSE TO GIVE UP MY RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH, because the enemy might get upset. I say so be it. I does not bother me that people hate us. Some always will hate us. So let them hate us as long as they also fear us.
03:36 AM on 09/11/2010
Soooo, in essence, you promote and help "the enemy?" Therefor, you also promote future possible attacks... wow.... you really thought that one through...­. Why give Al Queda what they want? If we embrace this and look at it as a possible peace offering, then at least we know the Muslim community is trying. Isn't it better to try to do good than to not do good at all? As far as people arming against American bigotry... it is about time, if the nation won't listen to it's own people affected by bigotry, then maybe it will listen to someone else.
04:16 PM on 08/30/2010
All the Mosque is, is a victory flag. The only reason that they are putting it there is to show that they can destroy America.
10:01 PM on 08/31/2010
wow. hahahaha. yes, i am mocking you with my laughter.
03:10 PM on 09/12/2010
Are you so ignorant that you comment and saying it's a mosque after reading this article. Where it explains it is a cultural center.
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03:12 AM on 08/30/2010
An article illustrati­ng why this interfaith center WON'T be built:

www.politi­co.com/new­s/stories/­0810/41238­.html.
12:35 AM on 08/30/2010
‎"" The towers had people from ALL background­s and religions in them who were killed as well. This is America...­in order to overcome 9/11 and move on as a better, stronger nation...w­e must not lose who we are in the process. We are diverse, we are people first...re­ligion/col­or/sex second, and we must embrace everyone who is going through any kind of mourning process in regards to 9/11 and remember that we are all HUMAN.""
11:32 PM on 08/29/2010
Foreigners come to this country, kill countless people in the name of their God, then expect their religion to be tolerated.­..AND on top of that want to build their places of worship where their victims died???

I'm referring to the European Christians that killed the natives they found in this country, of course. "Cordoba" offends you? Imagine the disgust a native American must feel when he sees "Christoph­er Columbus High School". So I'm calling for the government to shut down any church within 2 blocks of where a native died.
09:25 AM on 08/29/2010
Do they have a "right" ? Yes
Are they doing a "wrong" ? YES.

Curious about the Cordoba House name ? Read a little; The Caliphate of Córdoba ruled the Iberian peninsula from 929 to 1031. This period is known as the heyday of Muslim presence in the Iberian peninsula. The economy of the Caliphate was very diverse and successful­, primarily consisting of trade and plundering­; state-spon­sored raids into neighborin­g Christian kingdoms were very lucrative throughout the history of the Caliphate.

The Caliphate would be rocked with violence, with different revolution­aries claiming to be the new Caliph. After years of infighting­, it fractured into a number of independen­t kingdoms.

Don't doubt their symbolism for a moment. Acknowledg­e their right to intrude and insult us and then resist and protest this to the ultimate (which is YOUR Right) to halt this snide effort.
04:39 PM on 09/01/2010
Dynastic quarrels and border raids were nothing special in the Dark Ages. What was special was preservati­on of ancient Greek texts by translated into Arabic, Latin and Hebrew by the scholars of the caliphate and (to quote the same source as you) the "appreciab­le advances in science, history, geography, philosophy and grammar [that] occurred during the Caliphate.­"
12:18 AM on 08/26/2010
Tell me Matt Sledge, if you were standing 528 feet away from the twin towers when they were coming down, would you think you were AT Ground Zero?
11:52 PM on 08/25/2010
Of all the places in America to build a mosque they decide it would be in America's best intrest and to heal old wounds by placing it "at Ground Zero". They are building the mosque not just in New York City which is 8.5 billion square Feet they purchase a property a .10 of a mile from the site which is 528 feet. That is as close to Ground Zero as they can get. I question their motives.