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Matthew Alexander

Matthew Alexander

Posted: May 24, 2009 10:48 AM

Former Senior Interrogator in Iraq Dissects Cheney's Lies and Distortions

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As a senior interrogator in Iraq (and a former criminal investigator), there was a lesson I learned that served me well: there's more to be learned from what someone doesn't say than from what they do say. Let me dissect former Vice President Dick Cheney's speech on National Security using this model and my interrogation skills.

First, VP Cheney said, "This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately... it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do." He further stated, "It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so." That is simply untrue. Anyone who served in Iraq, and veterans on both sides of the aisle have made this argument, knows that the foreign fighters did not come to Iraq en masse until after the revelations of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. I heard this from captured foreign fighters day in and day out when I was supervising interrogations in Iraq. What the former vice president didn't say is the fact that the dislike of our policies in the Middle East were not enough to make thousands of Muslim men pick up arms against us before these revelations. Torture and abuse became Al Qaida's number one recruiting tool and cost us American lives.

Secondly, the former vice president, in saying that waterboarding is not torture, never mentions the fact that it was the United States and its Allies, during the Tokyo Trials, that helped convict a Japanese soldier for war crimes for waterboarding one of Jimmie Doolittle's Raiders. Have our morals and values changed in fifty years? He also did not mention that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln both prohibited their troops from torturing prisoners of war. Washington specifically used the term "injure" -- no mention of severe mental or physical pain.

Thirdly, the former vice president never mentioned the Senate testimony of Ali Soufan, the FBI interrogator who successfully interrogated Abu Zubaydah and learned the identity of Jose Padilla, the dirty bomber, and the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM) was the mastermind behind 9/11. We'll never know what more we could have discovered from Abu Zubaydah had not CIA contractors taken over the interrogations and used waterboarding and other harsh techniques. Also, glaringly absent from the former vice president's speech was any mention of the fact that the former administration never brought Osama bin Laden to justice and that our best chance to locate him would have been through KSM or Abu Zubaydah had they not been waterboarded.

In addition, in his continued defense of harsh interrogation techniques (aka torture and abuse), VP Cheney forgets that harsh techniques have ensured that future detainees will be less likely to cooperate because they see us as hypocrites. They are less willing to trust us when we fail to live up to our principles. I experienced this firsthand in Iraq when interrogating high-ranking members of Al Qaida, some of whom decided to cooperate simply because I treated them with respect and civility.

The former vice president is confusing harshness with effectiveness. An effective interrogation is one that yields useful, accurate intelligence, not one that is harsh. It speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of interrogations, the goal of which is not to coerce information from a prisoner, but to convince a prisoner to cooperate.

Finally, the point that is most absent is that our greatest success in this conflict was achieved without torture or abuse. My interrogation team found Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, the former leader of Al Qaida in Iraq and murderer of tens of thousands. We did this using relationship-building approaches and non-coercive law enforcement techniques. These worked to great effect on the most hardened members of Al Qaida -- spiritual leaders who had been behind the waves of suicide bombers and, hence, the sectarian violence that swept across Iraq. We convinced them to cooperate by applying our intellect. In essence, we worked smarter, not harsher.

 

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As a senior interrogator in Iraq (and a former criminal investigator), there was a lesson I learned that served me well: there's more to be learned from what someone doesn't say than from what they do...
As a senior interrogator in Iraq (and a former criminal investigator), there was a lesson I learned that served me well: there's more to be learned from what someone doesn't say than from what they do...
 
 
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12:24 AM on 05/29/2009
This is a logical and effective explanation of the ridiculousness of Cheeney's arguments for torture. Thanks for stepping up to share your experience. I hope it is used on the news.
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10:16 AM on 05/28/2009
I am very glad to have read this unemotional and well-reasoned piece. So sad to see Cheney & Co. further reminding us of the dark mark in US. History. (Bush? A facade, as it turns out.)

There is one point that may call for more detail--waterboarding's role in the U.S. conviction of Japanese war criminal(s)--because at least one right-wing squawker is arguing that it was just tacked-on to other charges of "real" torture.
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sherwoodforest
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05:35 PM on 05/27/2009
Thank you for this- I hope you get on all the yammering heads TV talk shows. This needs to be discussed and never is, the idea that any real information comes of torture and that we were put in more danger thanks to Cheney and Rumsfeld, after Abu Grahib.

Cheney is the dark side. 9/11 happened on his watch- lets never forget that fact.
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pdhen
04:14 PM on 05/27/2009
Matthew Alexander seems the voice of experience, professionalism, and reason, attracting the proverbial flies with honey with his approved interrogation technique. And, if you think it's necessary to look for any profundity or dimension when considering Cheney's motives for torture or his singular approach to the Vice Presidency, think again. Cheney built his reality one feature film at a time.

Yes, you might be able to win a campaign on sound bites and entertaining story lines, but you can't build a country on them.

We fell for his nonsense and now he needs to stand for it- in a court of law.
03:41 PM on 05/27/2009
Hey buddy... your views and opinions on interrogations and torture are tainted by your experience in the field. You've obviously beenaffected by your time in the military. There's no way you can get your hands dirty and not have that mutate your objectivity.

Thankfully, we have Vice President Cheney. He never served in the military and he's never stared the enemy down. His view is pure and unaltered by any compassionate "reality" of the situation. He's sticking to his guns (when not shooting friends in the face).

Are you really suggesting that someone who has been changed by direct action has a more viable opinion than an American leader who I never voted for?

Ridiculous!
04:56 PM on 05/27/2009
LOL
11:31 AM on 05/27/2009
Matthew Alexander's information on interrogation is vital to the debate and should have greater circulation, i.e. I'd like to see him question Liz Cheney on Morning Joe.

I was somehow led to believe this article was going to give me an insight into Dick Cheney's motivation, what's behind the present Cheney media blitz. I thought that: through an interpretation of what Cheney is not saying - his omissions or out-right lies - we would be better able to understand him. And thus understand why we went to war in Iraq ----so we have a glimmer of hope that we (the US) don't fall for the same hype (war-cry) next time.

Some of us saw all of this: the lies, the rush to war without cause, from the beginning - albeit without evidence. What we've never been able to fathom is "How the rest didn't". Was it naivety, foolishness, callowness, fear? - what? We all grew up with the Boy Who Cried Wolf - yet just over a year ago we were on the verge of condoning a war with Iran.

I think we still must get to the bottom of this - despite the perils. Though I agree with Obama - that releasing the torture pictures would probably only advance the causes of al Qaida. I don't know how they wouldn't help us. Perhaps - if I understand Alexander correctly - we should prosecute Cheney. Now that's a slam dunk! He's already confessed, so we wouldn't have to prosecute lesserlings
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AmazingChicken
09:57 AM on 05/27/2009
Excellent. Now if we could get the national press to report this POV. This man is at least as relevant as the FVPOTUS on this subject.
09:34 AM on 05/27/2009
It's so disturbing to me that Bush/Cheney were in the white house for 8 years with their inability to tell the truth, poor judgment, and complete lack of empathy. Thank you for giving us proof of what most of us instinctively know to be true - that allowing an administration to make us cower in fear results in a tyranny with lost of civil liberties, that Cheney doesn't know truth from fiction, and that torture is ineffective and immoral.
09:09 AM on 05/27/2009
I do believe that waterboarding is torture.

I am also inclined to believe Matthew when he says that it is does not yield useful information (although many have said otherwise) and that it might have been used as a recruitment tool by Al-Qaeda.

However, equating the actions of our troops with those of Japanese war criminals is misleading.

1) Japanese war criminals were not convicted for waterboarding our troops.
They subjected our troops to gruesome torture. Waterboarding was probably one of the least harsh methods they used.
I don't know of any war criminal whose sole crime was waterboarding an enemy soldier. Does anybody ?

2) There was a Japanese guy officer who was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for waterboarding, but he did it on an American CIVILIAN. Obviously, he got the harsh punishment because he did it to a civilian. I am not sure he would have got the same punishment if he had done it to a prisoner of war.

3)Combatants who do not respect the rules of war enjoy no protection whatsoever

The terrorists are not the members of an army. They enjoy no more protection than mercenaries do... that is none whatsoever.
07:24 AM on 05/27/2009
Everybody seems to know what happened and are not denying it as evidence is piling up day-by-day.

The only remining question seems to be what are we going to do about it.
cafemocha
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01:35 AM on 05/27/2009
Cheney is not doing anything to help keep our troops safer by "extolling the great virtues of torture." Americans soldiers in harms way are made LESS safe because Cheney is telling our enemies the world over that torturing prisoners is okay to do.

And Cheney is also not doing anything to keep the common American citizen safer from terrorists, since both he and W refuse to tell us under oath and on camera what they did in failing to protect us from al-Qaeda in 2001. (Whatever they told the 9-11 commission was not recorded, and might be nothing more than a pile of hooey since they would not speak under oath). Thus far only high level members of the Bush administration, and members of al-Qaeda know "the all" of the failed strategy and tactics of W's defense of America. Well, America needs to know all of that too, Cheney and Bush need to tell us all, so we can be sure the W strategy for defending us is never implemented ever, ever again.
09:52 PM on 05/26/2009
I don't know what others are saying but one thing appears fairly clear. Torture is how you get only the answer you want (truthful or otherwise) from prisoners. Nuff said. Time for justice.
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LeaderofMen
Bilingual former US Marine.
07:57 PM on 05/26/2009
Based on Matt Alexander's first-hand info, and Cheney's twisted neocon viewpoint (from a man who never served a day of military service in his entire life), I can now safely and logically conclude the following:

1. Cheney is absolutely aware of the facts with regard to what is torture and what is not torture. He knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that waterboarding is torture given that history has told us it is and that others have been prosecuted for doing it.

2. Cheney's intention appears to be that he wanted to unequivocally make sure that our war in the Middle East continued as long as possible.

So, what can we say about these two facts? We can say that Cheney not only has no moral center, he is a warmonger of the First Order. Indeed, he gains monetarily when the war continues. He gains big time.

For Cheney, this was about money.
07:38 PM on 05/26/2009
Homo sapien is at this time utterly corrupt (thanks be to "God"). You don't torture your suspect, you offer him a lifetime in one of those empty Vegas hotel rooms with unlimited room service and pool access.
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CherokeeGirl
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07:05 PM on 05/26/2009
Matthew! Way to shut those torture-mongers up once and for all! :) Thank you! :)
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02:51 AM on 05/27/2009
Wishful thinkin', sorry.