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An Election Between Unelectables

Posted: 02/ 1/2012 2:19 pm

What happens in an election when two candidates who are unelectable run against each other in the fall? We are about to test that proposition.

The Florida primary is now in the record books, and Mitt Romney walked away with a big win, money in the bank, and a good deal of momentum. He is now the true front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination, and by the sound of his speech after he won Florida (and in homage to the Facebook initial public offering), he looked like he was launching his general-election IPO. So, with the understanding that the Republican primary campaign could still take a few twists and turns, let's look forward to the general election.

After a bruising negative campaign that became considerably bitter and personal, Romney is now down to his lowest favorability rating ever among the key voting group of independents. In the latest ABC News/Washington Post polling, 51 percent of independents rate Romney unfavorably and only 23 percent view him favorably -- a whopping net-negative rating of 28 percentage points. A candidate in this territory can't win in a normal general election.

President Obama also faces bleak prospects. His approval rating (which history shows is a pretty good indicator of the vote he would draw on Election Day) is 42 percent among independent voters. That is a number that wouldn't win a president reelection in normal times. Add to that low consumer-confidence numbers, high unemployment, and the large percentage of people who say that the country is headed in the wrong direction, and you wouldn't put much money on the incumbent.

But someone has to win, and in the spring of 1992, a similar situation developed. Bill Clinton emerged battered and bruised from the Democratic primary race with a large number of voters viewing him unfavorably, and the incumbent president was unelectable when you looked at his job-approval numbers. So Ross Perot appeared and actually led some national polls until he showed he wasn't ready for prime time. Clinton unified his party at the Democratic convention in New York City, and then never trailed.

In a race between two theoretically unelectable candidates, anything is possible. Could a third-party candidate emerge? Yes. Could Romney unify the Republicans? Very possible. Could Obama get a lift from an improving economy? Sure.

We won't know any of those answers for quite a while, but it is sure going to be fun to watch this contest unfold.

Cross-posted from National Journal.

 
 
 
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OregonCoaster
It can be hard to distinguish crazy from stupid.
10:29 AM on 02/02/2012
Prophecies based on past statistics are just waiting to fail. Statistics like who gets elected based on "approval ratings" are not bankable numbers. They are subject to myriad conditions which are virtually never reproduced again.

Take Romney's current situation: we were told again and again going into the S. Carolina primary that since 1980 every Republican winner in S. Carolina has gone on to be the candidate in the fall. I doubt that will happen for Gingrich. To be credible, analyses need to be deeper than arbitrary statistics. A Romney win doesn't mean a Republican Romney enthusiasm will break out.
10:20 AM on 02/02/2012
I really dislike articles like this that tell us what we already know. Tell me what I don't know - like who will win the general election. Just reply to this post and I promise not to tell anyone else.
09:46 AM on 02/02/2012
I wouldn't describe this as fun although the repub clowns do give me a laugh now and then. The two probable candidates are so much in the pocket of corporations that neither will do anything for the people or the environment if elected.

We need a true leader who can see the big picture: We're destroying the environment upon which all life depends and we're overpopulating, which will lead to mass die-offs and anarchy.
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scorpions5
Intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
09:40 AM on 02/02/2012
Unemployment numbers are up again. Economists were expecting 370,000, and it was around 360,000. They are predicting the unemployment rate to go up to 8.9 or so. Here we go again.
10:23 AM on 02/02/2012
You mean those seasonal jobs that liberals were getting so happy about went away and were actually seasonal jobs?

NO WAI.
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OregonCoaster
It can be hard to distinguish crazy from stupid.
10:33 AM on 02/02/2012
Wrongo--initial unemployment claims declined again. They're also down over the 4 week moving average.
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scorpions5
Intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
12:41 PM on 02/02/2012
Unemployment Intial claims, new ones that have filed in Jan. were 367,000. as of Jan. 28. Unemployment claims in the 4 weeks average of week ending Jan. 28 were 375,000. So if you do the math, about 8,750 that went off unemployment. That is a drop in the bucket. So, there were 8, 750 that may have gotten jobs or may have just stopped looking for work, or unemployment has stopped. Who knows. Doesn't look good to me or to the economists.
09:26 AM on 02/02/2012
There is related possibility. What chaos would ensue if one of these birther lawsuits succeeded in removing President Obama from the ballot? It's not impossible. It's this prospect that caused George Romney to drop out of the Presidential race back in the 1960s.

http://bar­iumtitanat­e.blogspot­.com/2012/­02/why-nat­ural-born-­citizen-co­ntroversy.­html

Congressional inaction on Presidential ineligibility created the lawsuits we are now seeing around the country. If one of them succeeds, what happens to the Democrats? Do they redo all of their primaries?

We should all hope so. The case in Georgia will determine much.
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mikep007
08:59 AM on 02/02/2012
Hey Dowd
Obama's numbers are better than Reagan's at this point in his presidency
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levee
08:01 AM on 02/02/2012
I neglected analyzing the map until recently, wanting to wait til there was a clearer picture of the GOP nominee. Finally I checked it out and it quickly became clear that the only question is how badly will Obama crush their nominee. There are 252 EVs that even a rabid conservative must concede (you really think Obama will lose Pennsylvania? or Michigan? Oh yeah, Mitt's from Michigan. That changes everything!) The GOP candidate will have to sweep every single swing state. Not most, not 90% but 100% to win. It's not gonna happen, since some "swing" states are getting less and less "swingy" every day. Florida itself, with Rick Scott as a walking advertisement for Obama and the collateral damage from the dirtiest GOP primary in history is probably the end of the story.

Point is, Matthew Dowd et al have to fabricate a horse race to keep selling clicks. This one's pretty lame considering Obama is the incumbent (look it up, Matt, it means he was already "elected," hence "electable"). I thought this was going to be about Mitt and Newt. Now there are a couple truly unelectable candidates.
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Calvin Watlington
08:10 AM on 02/02/2012
You knocked it out the park my friend, especially the part about fabricating a "race" to sell clicks.
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levee
09:29 AM on 02/02/2012
thanks, Calvin. I hesitate to say what's becoming more and more obvious because I don't want anyone to be casual about how important it is to mark November 6th on their calendar. Lord knows, the GOP never really "wins" elections, they just scavenge the remains of an abandoned election. But this tripe here by Dowd is exactly the kind of garbage that goes too far. I understand he's getting at Obama's vulnerabilities on the economy, but "unelectable" is a bridge too far. I'm sick of these pundits allowing themselves the right to calculate the politics of the economy in a vacuum. It's surreptitiously doing Republican campaigning, since their entire attack on Obama only makes sense if you ignore the recession. "Oh my, no president has ever been elected with 9% unemployment!" I mean, they're either suffering from extreme amnesia or they are biased toward the GOP.
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eaarth2
“An era ends when its illusions are exhausted
05:54 AM on 02/02/2012
Obama leads Romney in even the conservative polling- Mr. Down still fails to understand why we have such a wide disparity of wealth and income in this country- it appears Obama is winning on this issue.
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Skygazer
The GOTP makes a mockery of the word freedom.
06:09 AM on 02/02/2012
Pure misinformation. Look at the actual Gallup polling:>

http://tinyurl.com/6owtzyu
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05:06 AM on 02/02/2012
It's a question of voting for (Democrat):

"Only government knows best for you and me."

or (Conservative):

"Question Authority"
"Trust People"
and,
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather....."

With the government teaching it's people that being a victim is good, the expectation of the election is, indeed, uncertain.
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Calvin Watlington
08:12 AM on 02/02/2012
Victims my rear end, The problem is that Republicans victimize Americans whenever they have the opportunity.
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Timothy Kuntz
Trying to be sane
09:10 AM on 02/02/2012
It's funny that you have to quote a Democrat for the supposedly Republican position. Hee Hee. By the way - Conservatives trust only the people that are so misinformed as to vote against their own best interest. And No - Democrats don't say government knows best, but they do realize that leaders have to actually lead and formulate answers to problems. Republicans only know how to say NO... When Republicans (post Nixon) actually govern - it's a disaster because they don't know how - or care about ALL the people - not just the rich...
04:17 AM on 02/02/2012
This is how our fake democracy works. We have two corporate communist parties. They both support endless war. Both support free trade with communist China. Both will throw you jail for drugs. Trade with communism is fine but don't smoke weed. It's insane. Or look at H-1b work visas. It's totally insane to have the federal government driving down wages. But that is what is happening.
09:50 AM on 02/02/2012
I agree, mashtoe.
10:44 AM on 02/02/2012
Not just the legal H1B visa program, but a century of "job creators" encouraging and employing undocumented alien workers to do scut work for peanuts while the government looks the other way, then throwing them under the bus or refusing to protect them when their employers don't pay or abuse them. Both parties have winked at this since the days of building the transcontinental railroad.
03:49 AM on 02/02/2012
Proposed GOP Bumper Stickers;
"Ron Paul, 2012's Ross Perot"
"At least I'm not Newt"
" Too rich to fail"
"1% Si 99% Nada"
03:20 AM on 02/02/2012
The most ridiculous false equivalency argument I've ever read.
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Skygazer
The GOTP makes a mockery of the word freedom.
05:50 AM on 02/02/2012
Thank you. Dowd is notorious for the false equivalency strategy. He continually drums up the drama in this race conveniently and glibly applying criteria that always shows it a neck and neck race.

It's misleading and sensationalistic.
zinxeb
Empathy ends cruelty
01:49 AM on 02/02/2012
That's the problem, Mr. Dowd...too many people see these really unnatural campaigns as "fun", rather than sad. But when an "unelectable" candidate gets elected...as we saw with "Breakfast for Bonzo" (8 years) and "King George" (another 8 years)...the country and it's citizens suffer. The only people that I can see enjoying this freak show are the 1%.

I hope that Newt dogs Mitt right up to the bitter end and that they tear each other up...that's all they deserve...and I hope, for the sake of the great country that we are so lucky to live in, that there is a Democratic, Progressive sweep in 2012, and that President Obama is reelected.
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seamonkeyking
Ching Dai, make me whole again!
12:45 AM on 02/02/2012
The only people who think Obama is unelectable, are the people who would never vote for him anyway. He won in a landslide last time, and this will end up being another landslide. There will be fewer republicans than there were in 2008, as some die off, some quit the party in protest of its policies, and many end up staying home.
The best part is Newt doing all the dirty work. In the General Election, all Obama has to do is refer to the commercials Newt put out on Romney, and cruise to victory. Then he can say he has a mandate much bigger than Bush's and implement it. If his coattails carry both the House and Senate, we could finally be in for some big changes.