War in Iraq: Wisdom of Crowds

Posted September 9, 2007 | 07:16 PM (EST)



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As we approach the September reports on Iraq, the public debate over our military presence there has once again intensified. Both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue are ratcheting up the rhetoric about the best course of action, with the president using a pit stop in Iraq as a backdrop for his latest remarks. Meanwhile, Republicans and Democrats on the Hill are engaged in heated discussions -- both within and between their caucuses. Adding to the heat, several third party groups have begun advertising efforts to try and push elected officials one way or the other.

As the Beltway ramps up the debate, I believe it is a good and appropriate time to reflect on the opinions of the people those in our nation's capital serve -- the American public -- and specifically what they believe is the right direction in Iraq. I write this because I am a big believer in the "wisdom of crowds," which is to say that I put just more trust in the collective opinion of 300 million decent, honest and caring Americans than in the elites living in Washington, DC.

This is not to say politics and polls should determine substantive public policy especially regarding a war, but politics and polls should also not be used to thwart the will of the citizens of this country.

Having been a rather keen observer of the American public for more than 20 years and having helped elect and re-elect folks from the State House to the White House I wanted to share with you an analysis of where the public currently stands on the war in Iraq. I share these thoughts as neither a Republican nor a Democrat. While I did serve as Chief Strategist for President Bush in the 2004 campaign, I now consider myself an independent and feel it is a good time to offer what I hope you will find is a measured, reflective and objective analysis of where Democrats and Independents and a large portion of Republican voters stand on the Iraq war today.

1. In the public's mind, the Iraq War was a mistake, and continuing the status quo is simply continuing on with a mistake. As a result, most Americans now view the situation in Iraq as a "rearview" mirror issue -- meaning that the public believes it is time to focus on the process of ending our involvement and getting out quickly. They see American troops as targets in a place we aren't wanted, and they desire a plan which achieves responsible withdrawal in the quickest and safest way.

2. The public does not see withdrawal from Iraq as a signal America doesn't support the troops. In fact, the public sees removing the troops from harm's way and having them in a place where the mission is supported, welcomed and understood as the most proper way to support our troops.

3. The public is waiting for leaders from both political parties to stand up to the president and say enough is enough. They would like this situation resolved -- and soon -- and there is no other solution acceptable to them other than bringing the troops home. The public will support leaders who would use funding decisions as a way to encourage and push the president to resolve this situation quickly.

4. The war in Iraq is now seen exclusively as a foreign policy concern, and the American public no longer supports the initiative as part of national security. This is in stark contrast to the war's beginning -- at inception, the public perceived it as directly related to fighting terrorism, and thus it was seen as a domestic policy issue connected to homeland security. Not surprisingly, the public gave it broad support. Today, this is no longer the case -- the dynamic has changed and most of the public sees no "positive" relationship between the fight against terrorism and the war in Iraq.

I hope this analysis helps bolster the leaders who are ready to stand up for the troops and for the vast majority of Americans in this country. Not only is truth on those leaders' side, but politics is as well. It is my opinion that the best leaders are those who trust the will of the public, even if that means changing direction or admitting a mistake. This is true leadership and the kind of leadership our nation has always desired.

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Why is the news media and the talk shows saying that Bush won the debate on the Iraq debate. I think this statement is just another BS to the news media and run with it.
No one really believes that petraeus was saying anything more then what Bush wanted and told him to say.
This is the practice of Cheney's administration is to tell what they want , say it is true and tell the news media to run with it.
This is BS. Someone take a poll other then Fox , ABC or one of the many white house bedfellow.
By the way they have come out of the wood work lately they are quite a fell bedfellows...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 09/16/2007


Matthew Dowd under estimates the ability of the military industrial complex to sell war to the american public.

The public just gave the entire government over to the dems in the last election based on the unpopularity of the war. the dems have it in their power to end the war but choose to stay in Iraq rather than carry out what the public elected them to do.

think about it.

This war will continue, in some way or another, until the country is completely bankrupt, a scapegoat is found for the bankruptcy, and the people focus on real issues - at least until enough coin is in the coffer, at which point a new enemy will be found and Americans dutifully rally to the flag, in a new cycle of violence. It has been the American way ever since Truman and it will continue unabated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/16/2007

Matt, this is not a war. It was a war. Bush announced victory in that war when the unnecessary invasion of Iraq was completed, years ago. We are now in occupation mode. Occupations are not won or lost, unlike the pretense of wars; occupations are merely ended. Bush wants to think of himself as a war-time president. That's his hubris and that's what he wants as his legacy. He does not want to be thought of as an 'occupation president'. If you support the President and his warmongering, war-peddling ways then, by all means, keep referring to Iraquagmire as a war. If however, you do not, then use the word Bush eschews: OCCUPATION!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 09/16/2007

Look the "fat lady has sung", it's time to leave this mess. The Iraqi's are going to continue to 'CLEANSE' their country, and there aren't enough bombs,bullets, or lives you can continue throwing at it that will make any difference. Because our idiot in chief and all those newly four star generals didn't take the time to find out about these people, their culture, or what THEY WANTED. We invaded, blew the shit out of their country and lost so many good men and women in the process, as well as so many maimed.
So, let's call this pig what it is, and you can't keep putting different shades of lipstick on it in order to try and repackage and sell it.
Let's leave now, our military will not be leaving in defeat, and anyone saying that is dead wrong.
The military were asked to invade Iraq, they did, NO WMD, what a surprise, so it changed to bringing them Democracy. Done, they voted, got the whole purple thing going and elected a leader. Then it was well we need to train their army, I don't know how many years these people need to be trained, but our own military gets between eight and sixteen weeks.
Then along came the surge and it was so the government could have some breathing room in order to work out all their problems, what did they do, well half of them quit and the other half went on vacation. While our young men and women were still being killed and maimed and sweating it out in 150 degree temperatures.
Now, what's the new mission? Cannot be Democracy, can't be to stand up their troops, done that, can't be to help the government, they don't really exist, can't be were waiting for flowers and candy. So what the hell is the new objective? Unless it's that were going to hook Iraq up and tow it over to the U.S. so we can run it and own it, which is what Bush and the Neocons want, there's not much use in staying anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/11/2007

The statement that the vast populace is more attuned to what is happening in any war has no historical credibility.

The public really only knows what it's being told, so it depends on who's doing the telling. War always reads bad, it never plays well. George Washington rarely won a battle. The Union was in disarray and routed for years during the Civil War. Thousands died daily during World Wars I and II.

Should the leaders have lead by a New York Times poll? Or a vote of the people? The answer: Yes, in essence they do lead by vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 09/11/2007

The reason for the disconnect between the "Crowd" and the Administration is that the Crowd was sober during the Vietnam era and many in the Crowd either went to Vietnam, lost family members, or at the least remember the endless presentation of how "Peace was just around the corner."

General BetrayUs needs to do a long read on the career of Westmoreland in Vietnam and the perils of fake data.

The bottom line is, even if the "surge" were working in the limited terms dscribed, it does not matter. We are busy making slow progress of fixing someone else's home who does not want our help, while our home is falling apart.

To Bush, Congress, and the Myopic leadership of the Military in Iraq, there is only one question and one answer:

When can our troops be home? The answer is, "With all deliberate and safe speed."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 09/11/2007

Mr. Dowd,

You had me going there for a while.

1. Not only do Americans see our troops as being targets in a place we aren"t wanted, in recent polls the Iraqis do too.

3. "The public is waiting for leaders from both political parties to stand up to the president and say enough is enough." I don"t know if this is true but I do believe after the republican executive branch, the republican controlled house, and the republican controlled senate pushed for this "preemptive" elective war, the public is not going to forgive the republicans during the "08 elections. The closer we get to the "08 elections the more republicans up for reelection having a change of heart will be perceived to trying to save their jobs rather than putting country before party.

4. It is unwise to underestimate the American public. The war in Iraq is not seen exclusively as a foreign policy concern. The American public is fully aware of the domestic ramifications of this failed foreign policy. Without this "preemptive" elective war in Iraq over $500,000,000,000 (so far) would not have been borrowed predominately from China not including interest. This money could have rebuilt New Orleans many times over, fully funded "No child left behind", reimbursed money stolen from Social Security, enforced our borders and ports, or paid down our national debt (amongst other worthwhile programs) instead of putting this unnecessary burden upon the backs of our children and grandchildren.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 09/10/2007

(continued)

With a No Fly Zone to the north of Baghdad, a No Fly Zone to the south of Baghdad, and IAEA inspectors scouring the sands and buildings and finding nothing it does seem incredible many believed the impending war in Iraq to be credible as either a domestic or foreign issue. Especially when bush pulled the inspectors out who were begging for more time and then attacked an innocent country anyway.

Given time the American people believe the truth when faced with undeniable evidence. Politicians believe the truth when faced with elections.

I hope this analysis helps bolster the premise of your essay to be true. That currently the American people collectively are smarter than their leaders and those who help them to office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 09/10/2007

Matthew Dowd states the simple unadorned truth. Thanks for that. Also, we were scared, or maybe shocked, by 9/11, and it allowed GWB to radically change his stated early agenda and one of the new items on the agenda was take on Iraq. I supported it at the time, as did 80% of America. Now we're not as scared, the shock has worn off. The constant stream of lies has taken it's toll on the country, and we don't believe anything GWB says about anything. He lied, many times, and we're not stupid. GWB is saddled with the sad legacy he won't acknowledge ever - he's the # 1 worst president, and there have been a few losers he has passed in that ignoble pantheon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 09/10/2007

I urge everyone to vote in Republican primaries and pull the lever for Ron Paul. He's our only hope, otherwise this will drag on for 20 years or more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 09/10/2007

The crowds are speaking in Red State Kentucky:
http://www.hillbillyreport.com/blog/2007/08/hillbilly-re-11.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 09/10/2007
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