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Posted: March 25, 2010 05:40 PM

Petraeus Explains the Reality of Middle East 'Linkage'

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Gen. David Petraeus caused quite a stir last week with his written statement (pdf) to the Senate Armed Services Committee, in which he included "insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace" as the first among "a number of cross-cutting issues that serve as major drivers of instability, inter-state tensions, and conflict" that "can serve as root causes of instability or as obstacles to security."

While none of this is really surprising to anyone who has spent much time studying the Middle East, it does run afoul of one of the most treasured articles of faith of the neocons, which is the idea that the U.S.-Israel relationship exists is a sort of hermetically sealed bubble, separated from the U.S.'s other challenges in the region, generating no negative externalities for U.S. interests. For many Israel hawks, the idea that there is "linkage" between the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to other problems in the region is not only a myth, but espousing such ideas is quite enough to qualify one as "anti-Israel."

In New Hampshire yesterday, Philip Klein of the American Spectator asked Gen. Petraeus to clarify his views. While Petraeus disapproved of the way that some of "the blogs" had presented his written statement, he ended up strongly re-affirming the substance of the linkage argument.

Saying that the written statement "describes the various factors that affect the strategic context in which we [CENTCOM] operate," Petraeus told Klein that "the Middle East peace process -- and whether there's progress or is not progress -- has a great deal to do with" that context. The lack of progress, Petraeus said, "is something that influences our area."

Notably, Petraeus said that he thought that Secretary of State Clinton's recent speech to AIPAC -- in which Clinton strongly reiterated American support for Israel, but said that "new construction in East Jerusalem or the West Bank... undermines America's unique ability to play a role in the peace process" -- "articulately and clearly conveyed our policy."

While denying both that he had requested, as Mark Perry originally reported, to have Israel-Palestine transferred into CENTCOM's area of responsibility, and that he had made any specific reference to the stalled peace process endangering American lives, Petraeus affirmed that the lack of progress toward a resolution "does make situations more challenging, particularly for moderate leaders" in the Middle East:

If you go to moderate leaders in the Arab world, they will tell you that the lack of progress in the Middle East peace process causes them problems, because their concern is that those who promote violence in Gaza and the West Bank will claim that because there's no progress diplomatically that the only way to get progress is through violence. And that's their concern. And that was really what we were trying to convey.


That's why we support Senator Mitchell so much. We have invited Senator Mitchell to every single conference that I have hosted -- for ambassadors, for chiefs of defense staff, what have you, which we do about three times a year -- because everyone is so keenly riveted on that issue even though, again, it is not in our area. And we keep an eye on it, because we need to know the atmospherics there because they do -- there is a certain spillover effect.

"There is a certain spillover effect." Ladies and gentlemen, the reality of linkage.

Petraeus also cited a blog post from Commentary's Max Boot defending him from the charge of being "anti-Israel." The irony, of course, is that the people who relentlessly caricature the linkage argument as "anti-Israel" are mainly the type of people who read and write for Commentary.

 

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Gen. David Petraeus caused quite a stir last week with his written statement (pdf) to the Senate Armed Services Committee, in which he included "insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle Eas...
Gen. David Petraeus caused quite a stir last week with his written statement (pdf) to the Senate Armed Services Committee, in which he included "insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle Eas...
 
 
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09:37 AM on 03/27/2010
Oh dear, Philip Klein and the American Spectator. That tells you plenty enough where that's headed already.
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tallen
panem et circenses
08:56 PM on 03/26/2010
This article is founded on falsehoods.
Petraeus clearly says that the arab conflict with Israel is only one of many reasons for trouble in the middle east.
He pointedly says in his comments that Iran is a big problem and cause of problems in the middle east.

And..Petraeus unequivocally denies all the false statement attributed to him linking American soldiers lives to the arab war on Israel.

Here is the video of the statements which contradict what this article, which is all anti-Israel spin, says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzXvAK36OI
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Marcus1
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06:49 PM on 03/26/2010
I believe I will choose the opinion of well respected General Petraeus over those of you on this post who feel he should be pro Israel.

Israel is not special and they deserve to be criticized like any other country that deserves to be criticized.

When the lives of American troops are on the line as a result of Israeli policies then this needs to be discussed openly and honestly without the canard of anti-semitism.
12:10 PM on 03/26/2010
I don't understand why you would waste your time writing about what a war criminal like Petreaus thinks is wrong with US foreign policy. When exactly did America become a military dictatorship? And don't tell me it isn't one because then you would be blind to the fact that the US military now commands all of our foreign policy affairs, which tends to explain why Petreaus thinks he should be opining on Middle-East/US foreign policy.
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joeinvt
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11:44 AM on 03/26/2010
An offense toward any Muslim, even in cartoon form, is an offense against all Muslims. The very existence of Israel is an offense to all Muslims. So of course there is linkage between the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Muslim anger and aggression directed toward the US. The only problem with Petraeus' comments is that he did not go far enough in identifying sources of Muslim anger and aggression toward the US making it seem as if Israel were the only problem. He should have read Osama Bin Laden's letter to the American people, which provides a more comprehensive list of Muslim greivances.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
12:13 PM on 03/26/2010
I think your first sentence, Joeinvt, says it all. If all Muslims are offended by Israel, doesn't that then justify Israel saying all Muslims are offensive to them? You will never get to peace with thoughts like yours, Joe. I just don't get why you, as a living being, don't get the idea that we all have to live together without violence and in peace together? What part of sanity don't you get?
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joeinvt
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01:26 PM on 03/26/2010
I wasn't endorsing the principle to which you object though sadly that seems to be the mideastern golden rule. I was making the point that Petraeus over-emphasized the role that Israel plays in sparking Muslim anger toward the US and other Western countries. The list of grievances is quite long and mostly independent of anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish sentiments.
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NTT
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02:06 PM on 03/26/2010
fightorleave: I do not think that ALL Muslims are offended by Israel's existence. But if you ask THEM (rather than your LOGIC), you will find that there is a Muslim religious doctrine (not necessarily embraced by ALL Muslims, but by many) according to which the Middle East is Dar-al-Islam (Islam's House) and the land is WAQF (Islamic heritage, which cannot be owned by a non-Muslim). That does not mean AT ALL that "all Muslims are offensive to them [Israel]". Jews do not have such a religious doctrine. There is no religious commandment in mainstream Judaism that precludes non-Jews living in Israel, for instance.
Osama bin Laden's anti-American doctrine stems initially from the presence of US troops ("infidel troops") in Dar-al-Islam (Saudi Arabia during Gulf War I).
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tallen
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05:19 PM on 03/26/2010
"Muslim grievances"

A the top of that list is the existence of any peoples who do not follow the Islamic religion.
Islam has been at war with the non muslim world since the 7th century.
09:05 PM on 03/27/2010
Right at this moment they are thousands of Jews living safely in IRAN and Jews have been safer traditionally in Muslim countries than even Christians lands.

When food is about to spoil one has to put plenty pepper on it to disguise the taste !
This may explain why apologist for the criminal regime in Tel- Av iv lies so indiscriminately.
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StCuthbert
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11:32 AM on 03/26/2010
Sorry, Mr. Duss, but the HP already covered and accurately reported what Petraeus said, spin free.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-donahue/gen-patraeus-in-nh-i-real_b_512855.html
11:01 AM on 03/26/2010
Petraeus is finally waking up and realizing how our blind support for Israel is undermining the national security of the United States. Better late then never!
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messy
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10:38 AM on 03/26/2010
Instablity? Okay, the reason that Afghanistan is unstable is that first the Russians and then the Pakistanis invaded the place, and that between was a civil war, followed by more of it. The reason Iraq is unstable is that Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 and that was followed by war, crippling sanctions, then more war.

The rest of the Middle East is very stable except for Lebanon, which has been a victim of religious bigotry by the Muslims and Syrian imperialism, this has nothing to do with Israel.

Jordan has had the same regime since 1920, Saudi Arabia 1922, and so on and so forth. American troops are dying in Afghanistan because Pakistan decided to play a double game and support the Taliban as well as the coalition, much to it's detrement.

BTW, as of March the 1st a grand total of NINE (9) troops have been killed in Iraq. Seven of which were killed by the enemy.
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lbsaltzman
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11:19 AM on 03/26/2010
You conveniently ignore two extremely brutal invasions by Israel.
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:03 PM on 03/26/2010
You conveniently ignore the attacks on N. Israel from Lebannon that precceded Israeli invasions.
11:33 AM on 03/26/2010
The rest of the middle east is stable???

Please do not comment on what you obviously do not know. Have you not heard of the major Al Qaeda plot to destroy Saudi arabia & the breeding ground that is Somalia & Iran and its nuclear ambition ...stable?

Please do some homework.
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messy
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05:14 PM on 03/26/2010
The Al Qaeda plots have mostly been dealt with. Iran is very stable. They tried to have a democratic revolution and it was brutally repressed, leaving the government alive and well.

The only truly instable government in the region is Somalia.
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patches12
09:52 AM on 03/26/2010
Amazing... isn't this the same general who was labeled as a traitor to our country... remember we called him

General BeTrayUS. Now he is held up as a paradigm of virtuer and wisdom... I get it.. when he was making decisions for Bush he was a traitor... when he makes decisions for Obama he suddenly becomes a sage!
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:04 PM on 03/26/2010
No, it's when he says things that at first glance appear to support "the narrative" that he suddenly becomes a sage.
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Tasies
01:11 PM on 03/26/2010
Amazing? It's as simple as agreeing or disagreeing with him.
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09:29 AM on 03/26/2010
I am curious whether Petraeus' comments reflect US policy or is it just window dressing to disassociate the US from the policies of Israel. If it was a policy shift then it stands to reason that the US would do what it takes to make sure Israel moves toward peace. That means a proactive move on settlements. When Israel reiterates that it will continue with the settlements, it is quite clear that it is a move toward armed conflict because the only way the Palestinians ever get attention is with retaliation. They don't see the Ghandi option as a viable one. We do nothing to help the plight of the Palestinians. Is it possible that the US will actually wash its hands of a violence breakout? Lebanon's recent purchase of 10 fighter jets should be viewed as a backup for attacks that would come from there should all hell break loose. Strategically, The US must take a real position in regards to the settlements issue and determine publicly its position on the borders of a two state solution. Or maybe a good conflict there will serve as a distraction...
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04:26 AM on 03/26/2010
Patreaus has made the logical point that the endless conflict is costing everyone too much and is dangerous for all in the big scheme of things.

It has nothing to do with being anti Israel. Sadly it is being spun that way.

The situation is like a parent who is trying to reign in the self destructive behavior of an adolescent, who screams back to her parent, "why do you hate me!"

And the parent thinks, when you grow up and stop thinking only about yourself, distorted reality, and your narrow immediate gratification you might understand.

There is always hope......
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Tasies
02:03 AM on 03/26/2010
The Zionists propagandist conveniently dismiss the linkage factor as a means to carry on with what's turned out to be a very profitable status quo. The linkage cannot be dismissed unless it's put to the test in the form of concrete measures towards a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. The link between mid-east destabilization and Zionist intransigence cannot be dismissed unless the intransigence and belligerence seizes. The linkage theory is not even given a chance to be proven wrong or right because the Zionists have no interest in putting the theory to the test. They'd rather continue on with the existential platitudes and neo-con reasoning of "they hate us for our freedom."
08:45 AM on 03/26/2010
When will we listen to Bin Laden's tapes again? "NEVER AGAIN!" Our Media owners will see to that, seeing as to who they are. Very clearly the linkage is stated. Although I do not agree with the violence performed against innocent Americans in their declaration of war against their "great satan," I nonetheless have empathy for the Muslim World in its frustration with Israel's intransigence to get out of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, and to allow the founding of a sovereign Palestine. And while we ponder, hopefully with some depth, what gives the rogue nation, Israel, the power of life and death over the Palestinian entity, the power to prevent a Palestine from coming into being. Who has given them this power? Ask yourself this question repeatedly, a hundred times, and then think about the necessity to quit that scheme with a declaration by the PA of a sovereign Palestine in those Occupied Territories. Damn the torpedos, STRAIGHT AHEAD!!!!
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:07 PM on 03/26/2010
Really? Have you ever read the PLO Charter, Hamas' Charter or the PLO Phased Plan? Try googling them, and then us again discuss how the conflict has come the the pass that it is now in.
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joeinvt
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01:37 PM on 03/26/2010
The only problem with Petraeus' comments is that he did not go far enough in identifying sources of Muslim anger and aggression toward the US making it seem as if Israel were the only problem. He should have read Osama Bin Laden's letter to the American people, which provides a more comprehensive list of Muslim grievances. I actually think that hating us for our freedoms is one of the grievances in there.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
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califlefty
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01:18 AM on 03/26/2010
It's laughable that you continue the charade of interpreting Gen. Petreus' words contrary to his own clarification - which can be see in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzXvAK36OI

Your analysis is a distortion - of Petraeus’s recent testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee, malicious claiming linkage of slain American troops to alleged Israeli intransigence. Iranian interference in Afghanistan and Iraq is invariably ignored by the “Israel Lobby” theorists, simply because it doesn’t fit their twisted narrative. Thankfully, General Petraus is paying attention.
03:23 AM on 03/26/2010
From the General's report to Congress:

C. Cross-cutting Challenges to Security and Stability
While this statement will describe in greater detail the dynamics and challenges in the sub-regions of the AOR, there are a number of cross-cutting issues that serve as major drivers of instability, inter-state tensions, and conflict. These factors can serve as root causes of instability or as obstacles to security.
• Insufficient progress toward a comprehensive Middle East peace. The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR. Israeli-Palestinian tensions often flare into violence and large-scale armed confrontations. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but it does say that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict foments anti-American sentiment due to the perception of US favoritism, doesn't it? You know, makes people angry because the US favors Israel? And people who are angry get violent to those they are angry at, right? Violent towards Americans in this case, right?
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10:21 AM on 03/26/2010
Did you actually watch the video?
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MajorKong
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08:28 AM on 03/26/2010
Gee, let me guess.

"They hate us for our freedom" so we should just go ahead and attack them because they're going to hate us no matter what we do. Which, of course, is what we wanted to do in the first place.

How convenient.
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09:33 AM on 03/26/2010
Yessir,
Sometimes i think i am a real idiot for thinking the logic of peace must prevail....
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jeanrenoir
08:14 PM on 03/25/2010
Petraeus knows he has ZERO to fear from AIPAC or the neocons. He's so far above them now that he can tell the truth without fear or favor. In being so candid about the obvious, Petraeus is clearly on Obama's side, not Likud's. That's a HUGE plus for America in its current struggle, under the brave leadership of Obama--Likud's worst nightmare since Carter, bless him, though Bush and Baker were gutsy too--to STOP Likud from attacking Iran and deliberately forcing America into a war with Iran by baiting Iran into sinking American oil tankers. Petraeus is an American patriot, unlike the incredibly stupid neocons, who brought such disaster to Iraq and America with their lying proxy war for Likud for "regime change" for Israel in Iraq--a war the neocons totally botched. Petraeus alone saved what was left of their rear ends. They and America know that. I hope Petraeus does all he can to stop Likud and the neocons from killing thousands more of our brave young soldiers in Iran, and from saddling them and their kids with generations more of war debt that will speed the decline of America and its replacement by China, no friend of Likud.
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lbsaltzman
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10:44 PM on 03/25/2010
We owe Petraeus and the U.S. military a lot for doing what politicians were too scared to do. Time to end our support of Israel.
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11:02 AM on 03/26/2010
What if this is just window dressing to distance ourselves from Israeli policy and that there is no intention to do anything about it.
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joeinvt
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01:34 PM on 03/26/2010
The only battles we have fought in the Mideast that I know of were in defense of Kuwait, against Iraq (and other times Iran), and either in support of or against Afghanistan (depending on your point of view). The amount of money and the number of lives lost in those wars on all sides makes "our support of Israel" pale in comparison. I'm all for letting the Israelis take care of themselves but how about a little perspective?
08:40 AM on 03/26/2010
well said jeanrenoir . . . Congress worries me most . . . if they won't listen to Petraeus . . . and keep kow towing to the aipac .. .we are all gonners and for what a rogue state .. . that breaks international law with impunity, take American money and flips America the bird .. while they continue to steal from the Palestiians . . I just do not get it
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basenji
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07:17 PM on 03/25/2010
We can massage it any which way we want, but the outcome is the same: Israeli refusal of peace is one of the top reasons for hostility towards us.
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jeanrenoir
08:18 PM on 03/25/2010
Petraeus is actually the key to breaking Likud's dominance of Congress through AIPAC money. All the AIPAC money in the world wouldn't outweigh the testimony of Petraeus if he ever warned the American public of the threat posed to them by Israel's potential bombing raid against Iran. Suddenly, overnight, AIPAC, FOX, and Rush would be dead in this debate, as would any stooges for Likud in Congress. There would be no comeback possible, and anyone who crossed Petraeus would be seen by the American public as a traitor to our country.