During a press conference at the 2007 Christians United for Israel Washington-Israel Summit, I asked CUFI Executive Director Pastor John Hagee about passages in his book "Jerusalem Countdown" in which he appeared to blame Jews for their own persecution. Hagee was visibly piqued by my question, insisting that his statements were directly inspired by the Book of Deuteronomy. When I attempted to ask Hagee a follow-up question, a public relations agent, Kara Silverman, a former intern for AIPAC, cut me off.
Moments later, a team of off-duty DC police officers hired by CUFI surrounded my co-producer and I and demanded that we immediately leave the conference, threatening us with arrest if refused to comply. You can view my exchange with Hagee and the ensuing fracas at 7:45 of my video report on CUFI's summit, "Rapture Ready":
For nearly two years, a handful of independent journalists and I have raised the alarm about Hagee's long record of anti-Semitic statements. Until now, our reporting has been largely ignored by the mainstream press and the politicians who have clamored for Hagee's support. The supposedly "pro-Israel" groups that have joined with Hagee in support of Israeli military aggression, providing him with much-needed moral cover in the process, have also turned a blind eye to the pastor's Judeophobic tendencies.
Michelle Goldberg was, as far as I know, the first journalist to point out Hagee's Holocaust apologia, exposing his now-infamous "Hitler was a hunter" statement in a piece for the Huffington Post in November 2006. When AIPAC invited Hagee to headline its annual conference in March 2007, I noted Hagee's repugnant views on the Holocaust and his record of anti-Semitic remarks in a Huffington Post article entitled, "AIPAC Cheers an Anti-Semitic Holocaust Revisionist (and Abe Foxman Approves)."
Though this disturbing information was widely disseminated, and was accessible simply by Googling Hagee's name, the John McCain campaign courted Hagee's endorsement, and ultimately accepted it in a highly publicized ceremony three months ago.
Now, thanks to the work of the tenacious researcher Bruce Wilson, (see Bruce's video here) the website Talk2Action, and a massive push by the liberal blogosphere, the McCain campaign has been forced to cut ties with its most influential Christian right supporter. But McCain's reversal on Hagee's endorsement does not in any way signal that Hagee will suddenly recede from politics, or that the pastor's influence in Washington will wane. In fact, Hagee still maintains a close relationship with one of McCain's key political allies, a turncoat senator who is likely to become his secretary of defense if he is elected president: Joseph Lieberman.
During a banquet at CUFI's 2007 convention, I watched with astonishment as Lieberman strode to the stage, then compared Hagee to Moses (watch Lieberman's remarks at 5:30 of my video) "I want to take to opportunity to describe Pastor Hagee in the terms the Torah used to describe Moses," Lieberman declared. "He is an Ish Elohim. A man of God. And those words really do fit him. And I have something else," the senator continued. "Like Moses, he's become the leader of a mighty multitude. Even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the Promised Land."
Was Lieberman aware at the time of Hagee's statements about Jews and the Holocaust? I don't know. But with McCain's tacit acknowledgment of Hagee's anti-Semitism, Lieberman must now decide: is Hagee a man of God, or just a mamzer?
Update: A friend just sent me Lieberman's defense of Hagee during a 5/13/08 Fox News segment:
SEN. LIEBERMAN: Well, look, I think that the DNC is obviously doing this because they set Pastor Hagee as some kind of response to Reverend Wright for Senator Obama. But I don't think that's fair in the basic way that everybody's already said which is that John McCain never went to Pastor Hagee's church. He accepted his endorsement. He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel.And statements that were brought out that he had made about the Catholic Church were a total surprise to me. I know to Senator McCain they were obviously reprehensible. And I give Pastor Hagee a lot of credit for just plain apologizing. And I must say there's a difference because Reverend Wright never did apologize. He just restated the objectionable and reprehensible things he had said.
Correction: I misidentified Kara Silverman as Alison Silverman and incorrectly stated that she was the former assistant communications director for AIPAC. She was an intern for AIPAC.
Messianic Zionist Jews.
In the same boat.
Where is it going?
Shhhhhhhh. Don't ask. Both groups are silent.
One group thinks it will convert the other to get where it wants.
The other group thinks it can use the other group and then make it want what it gets.
Ok.
So where IS it going?
Think Titanic.
The man apart from being a glutton (he weighs around 300 or more pounds) has a lot of simple minded "christians" duped into thinking his teachings are the real thing! My bet is that if Jesus were around he would chastise this bloated bag of hate and send him straight to hell where he and kind belong!
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Cant say explicitly which is worse; but this should shed some light.
http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?view=article&catid=8%3Acommentary&id=61%3Apentagon-connected-ministrys-obama-bashing-message&option=com_content&Itemid=11
Hearing the actual words of Wright compared to the snippets makes me very wary about my belief that Max Blumenthal's mocumentary of snippets is a fair representation of Hagee.
So take it all in as unprocessed information, but don't make any drastic decisions until you have a chance to find out more.
Peace to all
especially realists!
There is no god.
Your characterization of Mr. Hagee is disingenuous of his heart for the Jewish people. He is not any more anti-Semitic than a prophet in the Old Testament. I don’t agree with all of his interpretations of scripture, but you cannot say he has any hostility whatsoever toward any Jewish person. Rather the complete opposite. Christians are commanded in scripture to love and pray for Israel and the Jewish people. We support the Jewish people, but have a different view of theology.
It is also a complete misrepresentation to suggest evangelism is anti-Semitic. Every major faith instructs the believer to proselytize their faith to a “non-believer” out of love in an effort to save their soul. Every person who believes what they believe, does so because they believe it is the *true* path to God and Heaven or happiness. If you didn’t, why would you waste your time? The stylish outfits? Every true believer believes their faith is right and every other faith is wrong. Not just the nuts blowing themselves up or the ticked-off folks rioting in the streets over cartoons. And anyone who thinks all paths lead to the same place, really doesn’t believe in anything at all.
Mr. Hagee and Mr. Robertson genuinely love the Jewish people. If you want to expose anti-Semitism, turn on Iranian or Palestinian state TV. It's even corrupted their kid's cartoons! I've seen it!
The evangelical Christian's believe the Jewish people will not be saved unless they come to accept Jesus. So they will not be saved until they become Christians themselves. It is sort of a love by negation. It is like saying we support you, but really only if you become like us. Israel is only an afterthought to Hagee of Robertson, as a step on the way to the End Times.
Both show hostility toward Islam and a believe that radicals of the faith must be contained through warfare. This approach creates more radicals and reconciliation should be an approach taught by people of faith. I think Hagee and Robertson both have acted on a misinterpretation of the gospels that is very limited and misses the spirit of forgiveness and social justice expressed there..
Anyone who thinks all paths lead to the same place, and don't think like you and Hagee, so they don't believe anything? Typical evangelical hate speech.
You friggin nut jobs want to get the U.S. at the center of your psychotic Jew/Muslim end-time war, which is what makes you especially dangerous to Americans and the world.
Hagee and Lieberman will be stopped as more people become aware of how dangerous Hagee and CUFI are. We brought down DeLay, and Santorum.
The best thing to happen was Hagee endorsing McBush so that it shines a bigger spot light on CUFI, Hagee, Lieberman, and all these wacko evangelicals that want nothing but war, and wants the U.S. to wage it.
J Street, are you listening???? We could use your help here!
http://jstreet.org/about/contact
The " final solution" came about because of the refusal of Britain to allow unrestricted jewish migration to Palestine and the refusal of other western powers, namely the US, to accept the European jews. jews were officially encouraged to emmigrate up until 1941. The Zionists were busy resisting any resettlement proposals which did not center on Palestine. Hagee is a nut for believing that Hitler was following God's will in perpetrating the holocaust, but he is not being anti-semitic in pointing out the ironical congruence of thought between the Nazi's and the Zionists on jewish migration.
I've personally been to the Holocaust museum in Israel. One thing that stood out to me was this: a map of the world with before and after Jewish population numbers from the Holocaust.
Which country at the time of Hitler had the highest population of Jewish people? It wasn't Germany. It was the first place Hitler invaded, Poland. Which country saw the largest number of Jewish people murdered? Again, Poland. Hitler was pure evil and he murdered millions of precious, persecuted people. That was his objective. Hitler would not have been "happy" with anything less.
Hagee is not a nut. He is merely interpreting scripture, which means he can be wrong, misinformed on some level. It is never God's will that anyone should suffer. It is absurd to think the Holocaust was God's will. God never ever *wanted* it to happen.
But at the same time, God did allow it to happen, for one simple reason. Free will.
The real question is, since God knew ahead of time it would happen, why did God allow Hitler to be born? Why not just give his mom a miscarriage? Or just give Hitler a heart attack. I'd like to sit down and ask Him. Some believe it was tragically necessary to allow the formation of the state of Israel.
Things were set in motion eons ago. The Garden of Eden could not be totally explained to Abraham, who must have been told IT first. Long before Moses.
If you bother to listen to the Rock and Roll Music, of the 7 Pearls of Thunder, kept secret in Revelation 10, you might just open your minds to true reality of these latter days we are living in. Which Daniel, the Lamb and other prophets said would come.
Maybe if you still have a mind to add things all up, this OEN article will stir some stuff up in your head.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_michael__080523_pearls_of_thunder.htm
If not I hope some of you enjoy some tunes that could help this Land show the rest of this Beautiful Planet how things should be done!
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"In Paris, as I have said, I achieved a freer attitude toward anti-Semitism, which I now began to understand historically and to pardon. Above all, I recognized the emptiness and futility of trying to 'combat' anti-Semitism."
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From Tom Segev, "The Seventh Million: Israelis and the Holocaust" Hill and Wang, NY, 1993
"Traveling on to Cairo, he [Eichmann] summoned a Jew from Jerusalem, one Fiebl Folkes. A report from Eichmann wrote of his trip and the record of his interrogation by the Israeli police decades later indicate[s] that Folkes was a member of the Haganah--the clandestine Jewish defense force--and a Nazi agent. On one occasion he even met with Eichmann in Berlin. The Nazis paid him for his information, mostly rather general political and economic evaluations. Among other things, Eichmann quoted Folkes to the effect that Zionist leaders were pleased by the persecution of German Jewry, since it would encourage immigration to Palestine." (p.
30)
2. Arafat answered by a terrorist campaign in a idiotically misguided effort to get better terms on a deal.
3. Palestinians and Israelis are suffering the results of that terrorist campaign to this day.
Background:
Major cause of Palestinian suffering--- their astounding knack for electing the worst leadership possible. From Mufti of Jerusalem to Arafat to Hamas and Abbas.
Arabs in Palestine backs the wrong horse EVERY time: supported Ottoman in WWI, Supported Hitler in WW2, Supported Hussein. Every step of the way there was a price to pay for that.
Palestinians are feared and despised all over Middle East, especially in large groups ( the empty rhetoric notwithstanding).
Palestinians are suffering much greater discrimination in Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia than in West Bank or Gaza.
In the history of Palestinian movement their leadership never, EVER concluded an agreement with ANYONE, Arab or Jew which they faithfully carried out.
Lebanon ( usurped land); Jordan ( attempted coup d;etat against the king); Gulf States (actively supported Hussein) Europe or U.S. ( broke every agreement ever reached, committed acts of terrorism).
Nice people, terrible leadership.
Remember when he declared that God sent hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans? I sent an email to his ministry as a former resident of Homestead asking what God said we did wrong to justify hurricane Andrew. I also asked, for general information, why God was punishing Oklahoma with tornados and Myanmar with a cyclone. What did they do wrong?
The answer I received was a copy of a letter they sent to the Catholic Church apologizing about some comment totally unrelated to my question. I restated and sent again. No reply yet. Perhaps he lost God's cell phone number and can't get an update on those other disasters.
The fact that Hagee openly courts politicians ( agents of the devil ) says all you need to know about the likes of Hagee. Beware of preachers and politics.
Killed over a thousand people in NewOrleans because other people were allegedly planning a parade. Towns that regularly have gay pride parades get off scot free. God obeys Robertson and shifts a hurricane away from Robertson but dumps it on other people, I bet a lot of them were as good and as Christian as Robertson who is neither.
God caused 9-11 because of feminists and homosexuals. He didn't kill the homosexuals and feminists he went off and killed a whole lot of people who were neither. Seems like god has bad aim to me.
Makes you wonder??
Israel has never used sucide bombers as weapons, including children and women.
Israel has never shot unprovoked missiles at any community or population in the ME.
Israel has never denied any of it's neighbors their right to exist.
Israel has never made it's goal the extermination of any of it's neighbors in the ME
Israel has never used innocent people as human shields in their military conflicts.
Israel has never turned down an offer of peace negotiations.
Israel has never forced their own people to accept political leadership at gunpoint.
Israel is not Hamas, Hezbollah, the Egyptian Brotherhood, or Al Qaeda, who all hate the U.S and Israel, and are responsible for continuing terror and human atrocities in the ME.
Please educate yourself.
Israel has killed thousands of innocent civilians
Israel has engaged in collective punishment in violation of human rights
Israel has refused sign United Nations Human Rights Agreements
Israel has repeatedly denied basic quality of life to the people its occupying
Israel has discriminated against non Jewish Israelis denying them access to land
Israel has bull dozed houses by the dozen as an act of collective punshment
Israel has engaged in extra judicial killing by way of Air to Ground missles from Aircraft
Israel has imprisioned thousands without trial
Israel has built a giant aparitied wall to isolate non jewish ethnic groups
Israel has invaded its neigbhors at the slightest provocation
Israel has engaged in ethnic cleansing
Israel has ...... This list goes on
Israel is an awful violator of human rights, defending Israel's actions is like defending apartied in South Africa. Breeding of hate through violence against the Palistinians serves no cause. Israel's actions offend the world disgrace America and breed terrorism. Right wing religious extremist deny the humanity of of Arabs and Muslims to serve their political agenda. Hagee is just one example of such persons.
The bottom line is that Israel holds all the cards, with unconditional U.S. support and complete control of all territory, borders, infrastructure, resources, and trade. What more could it ask for? What use is all of this leverage if it's not willing to use it to secure peace? Israel intentionally sought and acheived near-total power in the occupied terrorities with the goal of its own security. Now that it has that, as well as tremendous economic prosperity, it also bears the greater burden of bringing about peace. As in the U.S. and Europe, with privilege, comes responsibility. Just because it is challenging is no reason to shirk it.