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End-of-Life Decisions: Medicare Is Already in the Room

Posted: 07/31/09 12:38 PM ET

Except for soldiers and caregivers, Americans don't know much about death. The question President Obama took from Mary in North Carolina at the AARP Tele-Town Hall on Health Care Reform July 28 dramatizes this innocence. "Everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die. . . . This bothers me greatly, and I'd like for you [Mr. President] to promise me that this is not in this bill." Mary was referring to the section in the 1018-page House health care reform bill that says Medicare in future will pay for an "Advanced Care Planning Consultation" every five years for Medicare recipients. One of the many ironies about the rumor that health care reform will mean government intrusion into end-of-life decisions is that the impetus for pages 425-434, which deal with this topic in draft bill H.R.3200, is restricting such a free consultation to every five years, except in certain instances, on the assumption that this is the kind of personal care that people will want.

But many Americans are afraid to think about the subject. We all know we are going to die but we manage most of the time to forget it. Therefore, the bill drafters envisioning a stampede for knowledge is in itself part of the national ignorance. Nor has White House Press Secretary, and by extension his boss, dealt well with the dynamic of fear fueling the rumor about a government directive. Compartmentalizing the issue as merely one of euthanasia or the same kind of brouhaha that surrounded the late Terry Schiavo, as Gibbs did in his press briefing of July 28, will not deal with the national unease. A lot of people are intimidated, if not downright scared, by the prospect of a will of any variety. So the White House, too, is displaying obliviousness. Is it any wonder that support for an overhaul of our health care system is eroding?

The bigger irony, one that encapsulates our national innocence of death, is the assumption behind the Medicare rumor -- that people can indeed decide how they wish to die, as Mary from North Carolina put it. If only that were true. But the reality is that our last rite of passage is shaped by relinquishing control, over decision-making among other things. At least, this is what a quarter-century of on-and-off caregiving for family and friends has taught me. The journey towards a good death involves giving up control in such a way that sense of self and dignity -- at a time when, to be brutal about it, somebody else is wiping your ass -- are preserved. And the biggest irony is that government, principally through Medicare, is already helping Americans and their families to find this good death and has been as long as I have been caregiving. H.R.3200 would merely formalize the interactions already happening informally and quite naturally. More importantly, the draft bill would provide an incentive (it's free!) for Americans to learn some things that if not for this fear of all things death-related they might like, in the end, to have known. Let me tell you two stories to illustrate.

In July, a dear friend passed away in an ICU at a San Francisco hospital. He had been diagnosed with congestive heart disease seventeen years ago and at that time got his first defibrillator. Seventeen years is a good run for someone with congestive heart disease. But in all that time he never made end-of-life plans. He loathed hospitals and yet did nothing to try to ensure that he did not die in one. Even though he was highly-educated -- indeed the author of several books -- he never made a living will or a medical durable power of attorney (health care proxy). And so, through the fault of no one person but in the tumult that surrounds a rite of passage, my friend died in an ICU. The last time I saw him he was sedated for a severe case of ICU dementia, hooked up to a ventilator, threaded intravenously through every limb, and suffering from discomfort in his groin where two large tubes passed his machine-pumped blood in-and-out. Perhaps because I am accustomed to ICUs, I was struck most of all however by his hair, dirty and greasy. If he were dying at home, his wife and I together could have washed it.

Believe me, an ICU is not a place you want to die, if you should be so lucky as to have the opportunity to forestall such a venue. (Accident victims, for example, often have no such opportunity.) There is no privacy. You lose your sense of up and down, night and day. Even family members become unmoored to diurnal rhythms. Having experienced that disorientation, I can tell you that it afflicts sanity. What the medical profession calls ICU dementia is all too common among the patients. Since we have so little choice in the time and manner of our going, the few preparations -- like signing a living will and choosing a health care proxy -- for circumventing ICU-like circumstances are all the more precious. That Medicare might begin to offer what amounts to free legal services -- in the sense that the counseling, if not provided by a lawyer, would nevertheless help people to understand their end-of-life legal rights -- is an eventuality to be celebrated.

In fact, this information-sharing is already taking place as Medicare caregivers interact with patients and their families. When my mother-in-law Florence was suffering from throat cancer in 1994, the nurses who came to her house at first every three days and then once a day and finally twice a day (all paid for by our taxpayer dollars) made sure that she, as well as we her family, knew about not only health care proxies but also the specific California state laws on such issues as withholding treatment. Likely the nurses were particularly solicitous because they knew that Florence wanted to die at home. Florence had already made a living will and assigned my husband durable power of attorney for her health care. She had done that when she was diagnosed because she did not want to die like her husband, also from throat cancer, but in torment from undergoing the latest treatment at UCLA Medical Center.

It is one thing to say "I want this and this but not that" when a woman is still mistress of her mind and body. Therefore, if this is to be an honest account, I must mention the afternoon when Florence, who had vociferously declared she did not want to be taken to the hospital (where at the time California law would have dictated she be put on a ventilator), quickly had difficulty breathing and cried out for the emergency room. This was late on a Friday afternoon -- I can bring it back in an instant -- and the Medicare nurse stood on one side of the bed, I on the other. We looked at one another, both of us unsure. My mother-in-law continued to beg to be taken to the hospital in nearby San Luis Obispo. The decision, however, was now my husband's to make. I called him at his office in San Francisco, and he said "no." Thank goodness the decision-making did not rest with any of the three people in that sickroom. And so the fraught moment passed; slowly, Florence began to breathe better. But this incident shows that end-of-life decisions, even ones that my experience tells me are good to make in advance, are not easy in execution.

The reason I have never regretted that afternoon with its small cruelty -- not to mention the evening my brother-in-law and I tiptoed into Florence's bedroom to turn off the machine that had helped her for awhile -- is that she was dying a good death. Suddenly for the first time that summer it was very quiet in the bedroom. Our Shih Tzu, curled up at Florence's feet, lifted her head and then settled down again. Only hours before, the room had been filled with family and laughter, as well as a sorrow weighted with momentousness. Florence, in the way the dying often do, had hung on until everyone -- my older daughter coming from Russia -- could get there. Then she had folded her hands over the sheet and closed her eyes. A minute later, she opened her eyes and said, "I'm still here?" That was the reason for the laughter. Having at last said goodbye to all her loved ones, Florence thought she could just up and go .

That night we family took turns keeping vigil. Two generations of Fowlers -- three counting Florence -- were bedded down throughout the house. The next morning we began to see the signs the Medicare home nurses had taught us signaled that the end was near. The Medicare team had prepared us; we knew what to expect and were not afraid. After Florence had breathed her last, our Medicare nurse came to the house and helped us three daughters-in-law to wash and to lay out her body. Truth be told, the men in the family turned away from the door in consternation -- if not horror -- at the sight. But we daughters-in-law were performing a task that women have done for thousands of years, and in that long linked chain of connection the three of us have found a surer sense of who we are.

In the manner of her death, my mother-in-law has given her family a gift that just keeps on giving. Each of us in turn is now less afraid of death. (And we women are quite competent nurses because Medicare pays for everything related to end-of-life, from help with nutrition and language to grief counseling for family -- except for that one thing of everything most needed, the day-to-day caregiving.) Between 1994, when Florence died, and 2006, when my mother passed away, the Medicare hospice program changed to include formally the end-of-life care my mother-in-law received. But as one of my mother's Medicare hospice nurses said sadly, "Most Americans don't choose Medicare hospice until the last two weeks of life." And even more don't know about it. Or are afraid of it. The Medicare hospice option made it possible for my mother, too, to die at home, in Houston. The night before she died, we five daughters sat around her bed and sang hymns -- with some argument over song selection -- that we looked up on our laptops. We knew the end was near because the Medicare hospice nurse, thinking to stop in for a quick visit earlier, had immediately canceled the rest of her morning's appointments and spent four hours with us. "I know when a patient is about to go," she said, "because there is a certain smell to death." And so we stayed up that night keeping vigil. And the next morning we, too, with the help of a Medicare nurse washed a mother's body.

Lately I've been thinking how many choices in life are like the one Shakespeare's Bassanio in Merchant of Venice must make: among three caskets of gold, silver and lead. For the past week, some Americans have been asserting that a provision for Medicare to pay for Advance Care Planning Consultation, as part of larger health care reform, is a threat. But it is that unappetizing-looking option -- the one that appears to be lead -- that holds the riches. End-of-life planning does not hinder but helps us with the individual choices we hope to make. For both my families -- the one into which I was born and the one into which I married -- very different in culture and belief -- the government through Medicare made possible two good deaths. Now it may sound strange when I say this -- but there are few days in my life that I value more highly than the mornings my mother-in-law and my mother passed away.

To be able to make any kind of advance planning is an enormous gift. When several years ago my father spent some time in a Houston hospital after an abdominal aortic aneurism repair, I heard from an astonishing number of people, joining me in marking time in the ward, who had family -- usually a man in his fifties -- who had died from a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurism. Typically, a person does not know that he or she has such an aneurism waiting to blow. It does not seem like a good way to die -- in terror and in pain, bleeding out in forty minutes. For such men, advance planning is meaningless.

Side note: It will be interesting to see if health insurance will begin to pay as a matter of course for scans to detect such aneurisms -- even if only in risk groups such as men who have been or are smokers. The absence of such a protocol is an example of the health care rationing that is already in place, as anyone with an HMO knows. (My father's aneurism was detected incidentally during a scan for another purpose.) But my larger point here is that the person who makes what few end-of-life choices he or she can is not -- pun aside -- pondering a leaden casket. He or she is looking towards that golden hour that will not be vouchsafed to everyone but that government, our government, federal and state, is already helping to create.

 

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03:12 PM on 08/04/2009
Forethought is always good in all aspects of life, including the end of it. I mostly want my life and death to have meaning to the 'greater community' ultimately Gaia, and all those who support it and/or lesser supportive communities. I have considered the possibility of dying an intentional firey death to protest human irrationality and destruction of the environment due to continued population increase in a finite world. The major step I'd hope would precede this would be writing a major explanation, which perhaps unfortunately is always still in the works.

If that doesn't happen, at least I'd like to die when I'm pretty sure there's little hope of being more of a contributor than burden to human happiness and welfare.

In her later years, my mother, perhaps in jest, talked of moving to Oregon to take advantage of their Right to Die law. I was tempted to mention that a small overdose of some of the medicines she already used would do the job quite peaceably, as well as could be expected of an Oregon doctor.
12:32 PM on 08/04/2009
About adding or restricting "Advanced Care Planning Consultation" every five years for Medicare recipients, I'm suspicious that adding this is a Trojan Horse, to create controversy and doom any change. It seems to me this provision could have been added or revised as a regulation, by bureaucrats, and would never have hit the headlines. So I wonder just who put the idea forward - a saboteur, or someone who didn't consider the attention and the consequences of that attention.
01:23 PM on 08/03/2009
If I have to sign that paper,i will mark do everything.I do not want to be starved to death,
11:55 AM on 08/04/2009
Please find papers that explain Advance Care Planning so that you will understand your rights to the care you desire. There are many articles online that will help you with this.
03:12 PM on 08/08/2009
Laura: One of the things that both humans and animals do as they pass through the process of dying is to begin to lose any, and then all, interest in food. The body has a wisdom of its own, and this process which you are afraid might amount to starvation is actually a rather gentle way in which our bodies sort of "shut down" and essentially "detach" from life.
09:59 AM on 08/03/2009
Good Day and thank you for an excellent article on the "secret" we work so hard to keep secret. I am a member od the Mid-South Comfort Care Coalition and our mission is to provide education on End of Life Issues. I have sent this article to our Coalition Liaison and asked her to put it into the hands of those who want to be in on the secret of Advance Care planning. I just wanted you to know that today you inspired me to help.
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11:36 PM on 08/01/2009
When ever you have to stay in a hospital, a living will is required. I have mine with members of my famil, and we are all young. What is the big deal?
12:17 AM on 08/03/2009
This is not true in New Jersey. I have an Advanced Directive which I took off the internet. When I go to a hospital, they will make a copy of it, and I keep the original. Check with your state to see what the requirements are.

An excellent article by the way. Thank you.
11:04 PM on 08/01/2009
The people who are fighting against real reform know that a lot of americans are ignorant and are easily manipulated. In fact they depend on that ignorance to further their agenda. Giving someone a choice ( that already exists mind you) to discuss end of life details wld only raise a ruckus in this country. The government wants to kill yo gran mama is designed to scare and mobilize the yokels to fight against their self interest. The sad thing is that it is working. I can imagine the people who think of this nonsense laughing their sses off when they hear these yokels repeating it.
09:23 PM on 08/01/2009
I think this is a wonderful article! I have long had a "Durable Power of Attorney for Health " (As I think they are called). Something VERY important for anyone to do, as my sister - who is a nurse-practitioner - pointed out, is to ADD to the last page - which usually has an almost mostly blank page attached which attorneys advise you to draw a line through so that nothing else can be added - BY OTHERS! - is to include a statement to the effect that you DO NOT WANT ANY FOOD OR LIQUIDS TO BE ADMINISTERED!!!!!!!!!
That is what happened to Terri Shiavo, and why she was in the vegetative state for years. Without that statement, the hospital is REQUIRED BY LAW to keep administering nutrients and water......which means you could go on living for ??????????
06:46 PM on 08/01/2009
PlaceboStudman can you please give the title of the pbs.org Frontlines show you have referred to.
I have searched for it there and cannot find it.
Also just clicking on the link, does not work. I had to copy/paste it to the address bar.
Thanks for your hlp.
Ron
05:05 PM on 08/01/2009
Obvious solution: mandate that a living will be on file for anyone who wants to receive government health benefits.

Cost $0
05:14 PM on 08/01/2009
No one should be mandated to do anything. That is the fear here and what is causing all of the problems. Both sides making the argument that the other side will mandate one thing or the other, when in reality, everything, all of it, will be left up to the individuals. This bill simply will give people the OPTION to take advantage of what education and information is available and make the decisions with an informed opinion
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coolmaiden
I fight right-wing bullies
11:18 PM on 08/01/2009
We already do give people an option as to what education and information is available. No one chooses to use it. It should not be an option anymore.
05:19 PM on 08/01/2009
Requiring a living will before accepting services seems a reasonable suggestion, at least for people `of Medicare age', as I am.
I already have to sign so many thngs at that point ...

Gio
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tc2598
02:22 PM on 08/01/2009
Placebo and Selena -

Been reading your posts and I'm a little off track from you guys. I one hundred percent agree with the right to die. It's a decision I think needs made with a sound mind - which is why Selena pointed out she's got it written down all over the place. So do I.

I think it's safe to say that caution needs used in administering this idea. Speaking as the surivivor of a close friend killing himself, I'm always pretty quick to point out that in the case of otherwise healthy people, there are ways to get them through the trouble without allowing them to check out - and people tend to be happy at the end of it, that they weren't allowed to die.

If you're in a hospital bed with tubes coming out of you, breathing through a machine - wanting to die is not something I'd want to "fix". If you're a twelve year old boy who isn't popular enough - well, I really don't think granting you your suicidal wish is the right thing to do there.

Philosophically, hairs get split talking about this sort of thing, which is why Selena is exactly right about putting your wishes in writing.
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tc2598
02:47 PM on 08/01/2009
Selenic. Not Selena. sorry about that.
04:35 PM on 08/01/2009
It really is simple. Do a psychological evaluation on the person. Something which is rarely if ever done to someone who begins talking about suicide. If someone is talking about suicide, and doing so more than once, then something is clearly wrong. If, after a predetermined amount of time passes, generally considered to be 12 weeks as the widely accepted timetable for Cognitive/Behavioral therapy treatment, then it is time to do a re-evaluation of the patient, and if said patient is still having suicidal thoughts and feelings, then I do not personally believe anyone should stop them at that point.

And, yes, that does include children. The fact of the matter is, we in this society do not give our children the credit they deserve in terms of their mental and emotional capabilities. We want them to stay young, naive and innocent, because we believe that will protect them from pain. But, more often than not, the attempt to keep a person protected from pain often causes more pain when reality is being faced, and no one is around to protect them.

So we must allow our children to face the same decisions as adults do, and guide them and nurture their decision making abilties, and base each person on a case by case basis whether they comprehend the consequences of their own actions.
04:36 PM on 08/01/2009
addendum:

Hell, I wish ADULTS would comprehend the consequences of their own actions when it comes to DWD, and realize that it is often far more painful for a family member or loved one to watch their relative/friend remain "alive" in a vegetative state than it is painful to watch them die a quick painless death that they controlled themself
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SelenicMagick
Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
04:36 PM on 08/01/2009
Quoting tc2598: "I'm always pretty quick to point out that in the case of otherwise healthy people, there are ways to get them through the trouble without allowing them to check out - and people tend to be happy at the end of it, that they weren't allowed to die."

THERE is part of the problem. IME MOST people are NOT "happy that they weren't allowed to die". They merely tell you what you want to hear. IF they were "happy that they weren't allowed to die" there wouldn't be repeated attempts and as we all know well... it is a rare person who stops at ONE attempt at suicide. There's more than one way to "skin a cat".

Blunt honesty... I will REGRET unto my dying day that my mother came home from the hospital 5 minutes too soon and called an ambulance. For reasons which are personal I will REGRET unto my dying day that I FAILED. Does that mean that I will make another attempt? Nope. What it means is precisely what I said.

I have ensured that there is NO "interpretation" with regards to my wishes possible.
04:51 PM on 08/01/2009
CC that one in my name too
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tc2598
07:03 PM on 08/01/2009
Okay so I never imagined that I would offend anyone by my evidently incorrect assumption that all people were generally relieved after having been stopped from committing suicide. Really, never imagined that I would offend either of you.

Again, mine is the opposite perspective - a friend killed himself when we were both young. Of course I like to think he'd be happy to be alive today. Maybe not.

But there are stories like that - people I know who've made serious attempts, and they are genuinely thrilled to be alive today, and genuinely happy that someone stopped them.

And really, I've discussed this topic in the non-cyber world so many times, that I've kind of dealt with it by treating it a little lightly. Obviously that came across as disrespectful - again I really apologize for my assumptions and maybe my tone. People made a lot of assumptions about me when I went through it on my end, and I found it pretty irritating.
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lynettema
Little old lady
01:20 PM on 08/01/2009
My Living Will is kept at the area hospitals and my durable power of attorney is with my lawyer. FYI, Wingers, a Living Will has nothing to do with euthanasia. If Terry Schiavo had one, it would have eliminated a lot of drama in that poor woman's life.
01:34 PM on 08/01/2009
The wingers (both left and right) don't want to eliminate the drama, cause that's all they have
02:56 PM on 08/01/2009
Maybe of maybe not. Often people are admitted to the hospital, as my mother was, and treatment is started before the fact that they cannot recover is evident and the treatment cannot be discontinued - or at least not without expensive legal interventions. (My sister and I were her health care proxies but we could do nothing.) Or, like my aunt, they are in a nursing home where, in spite of a do not resuscitate order, they are transported to the hospital repeatedly. It is my understanding that some nursing homes prefer to keep their less demanding patients as long as possible.
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unitron
Reverse Chron Order never stays checked
09:27 PM on 08/02/2009
Nursing homes are a lot more likely to be sued for letting a patient die than they are for preventing a patient from dying.
12:42 PM on 08/01/2009
Hey Studman,there are lot of kid cancers that can be cured.
12:46 PM on 08/01/2009
And a lot that can't.
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SelenicMagick
Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
12:57 PM on 08/01/2009
There are as many types of cancer for which there are NO effective treatments as there are cancers that we DO have effective treatments for.
01:53 PM on 08/01/2009
Not to mention the horrendous side effects of some of those cures can be worse than the disease itself, when a person who has been treated for cancer has a depleted immune system which makes them vulnerable to even the most innocuous virus or infection and the person ends up dying from the common flu virus long before the cancer strikes a second or third or 10th time
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Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
12:28 PM on 08/01/2009
I have had what is called an "Advance medical directive" (AKA Living Will) since my 18th birthday; I am now 45. Why? Because I have watched far too many people who would NOT have chosen to be placed on life support placed on life support and I wanted to avoid forcing my family to make that particular decision in the event that I was unable to speak for myself.

Copies of it are in my medical records (not just my doctors but also every hospital that I have ever been in the emergency room of), I carry a copy of it in my wallet, a couple of my brothers have copies of it, one of my aunts has a copy of it, my attorney has a copy of it, H*ll even my oldest child has a copy of it. I have made SURE that my wishes are known in the event that I am rendered incapable of making medical decisions for myself. I am a "no code". Do NOT resuscitate my arse... LET me die. Throw a party to celebrate my LIFE and get on with LIVING your own.

Do I WANT to die? Nope, sure don't. I ALSO don't want to be KEPT alive, a prisoner of my body, incapable of ENJOYING the life that I am living.
12:35 PM on 08/01/2009
Good to see you "get it"

"my life, my body, my decision, and in the event I am capacitated 'X' will make the decision for me" should be the rule of law when it comes to EOL decisions
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12:42 PM on 08/01/2009
selen Smart gal ! That is exactly what this is really about- not' killing' off older folks. Corp fat cats run and control this country- even corp owned news media - so we MUST ALL FIGHT BACK AND EXPOSE THEIR LIES / MISLEADING COMMENTS. ITS ALL ABOUT BIG MONEY INTERESTS - LIKE WALL S T WHO led the way to this crisis- since GOP Reagan - Bush - Greenspan deregulation policy allowed -encouraged them to sell ' junk' securities and label them as
TRIPLE A - THESE SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD. Hence this massive meltdown .
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SelenicMagick
Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
12:56 PM on 08/01/2009
Historically speaking, it was during the Carter Administration that banking deregulation started. It was during the Carter Administration when the formula for determining how much house one could reasonably afford CHANGED from 1/4 of your after taxes income to 1/4 of your BEFORE taxes income. With that change came people buying a LOT more house than they could AFFORD to start with.

Reagan and Bush and Clinton and Bush made the problem WORSE. Probably the WORST thing that happened with regards to the deregulation happened in 1999 when Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagle Act, which only served to accelerate the current economic crisis.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
11:54 AM on 08/01/2009
As a former Advanced Nurse Practitoner and Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, I witnessed end of life things all the time. I often was asked by family and friends about the options they had been given and what the true scoop was. People deserve the truth and then should make their decisions.

So often, we would see patients and their families resort to complicated, highly complex ICU care which is distressing, traumatic and interferes with family visits. I never made recommendations but spelled out the truth, and then they were free to make their choices. So much of the intervention done in the final days of life are futile, expensive, and interfere with making the best of the time remaining.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
12:44 PM on 08/01/2009
TX as a nurse- you input is invaluable ! . I hope you can spread this info around so folks
are NOT so confused & scared. . Thanks so much.
01:03 PM on 08/01/2009
I consider myself an expert in end of life issues. I've been involved in this subject for some 25 yrs and have both read extensively and been personally involved in many cases in a professional capacity. The approach that makes the most sense is the Roman Catholic instruction as to providing care thats appropriate according to "ordinary" and "extraordinary" measures. The anguish that families experience in deciding what to do would be largely resolved if they understood and accepted this concept of ordinary measures(always appropriate) and extraordinary(not mandatory to do) measures. Terminal patients want 2 things. Not to be abandoned and adequate pain relief. Good nursing makes all the difference in the world. A genuinely kind nurse makes a patient feel valued as a human being despite whatever physical issues are present. Incontinence and other indignities become unimportant when the nursing staff is competent.This is death with dignity. I'm afraid the Obamma team is going to bring us nothing but an assembly line type of medicine staffed with people who are working for a paycheck rather than patients. The more I learn about Obamma the worse I feel about the future of health care.
01:25 PM on 08/01/2009
The future of health care is and always has been in jeopardy, and will be, so long as the only aspect of "health care" that is being discussed is the payment system. In a sense, we are blaming VISA (or Master Card or Discover) for the fact that our CD arrived broken from Amazon. No one wants to put the blame where it belongs, on the Pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, or the AMA, all of whom have control over the quality of care we receive. My theory is, and I have yet to be disproven, that people would gladly pay more if they knew they were getting better service. But, the lack of quality services is not *entirely* the fault of insurance, when they can only approve or deny the medications that are made available from the AMA who gets their supply from the FDA who approves what BigPharma creates. When 15,000 people end up in the ER for accidental overdose of "safe, harmless" tylenol, and 500 of those people die from accidental overdose from the normal recommended dosages, something is wrong.

But no one wants to or is willing to discuss the failings of the medicine and technology we receive
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lynettema
Little old lady
01:32 PM on 08/01/2009
Bibbo, I was with you until the last 2 sentences, then your bias showed. I know that YOU know better, but you can't help your hatred.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
11:40 AM on 08/01/2009
A living will is what this ruckus is all about- NOT GOV'T killing folks ! GOP is spreading rumors - lies to scare us about a public option.- that is how the right wing & Corp America fat cats operate - How they CONTROLS US - AS they have done for so many years. .Please- all of you - Everyone has to Check out www.pbs.org then go to Frontline- Bill Moyers - he had a former insurance Co executive on- a Mr Potter- who gave away all the DIRTY secrets of the health insurance industry - Potter said : They spread fear - misinformation to kill a PUBLIC OPTION. They use code words- like ' Rationed care- Gov't between you and your ' MD - bureaucracies taking over ' He said the 2007 film -' Sicko' by Micheal Moore-scared the big wigs big time - since it clearly showed folks in Britian & Canada- saying' how good their health care was "
So they discredited Moore as a far out 'Liberal type ' Sound familiar ? This is just another massive scam- pushed on us by the likes of the far right wing - like Mr Luntz- a paid right wing guy who
' helps ' the right wing find the correct terminology to scare us all. ALL the " scary talking points to use on Americans ' Let's take back the country . GOP REIGN --since Reagan's 1981 deregulation of banks & Wall St & trillions to fat cat
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SelenicMagick
Old, grouchy, toothless, sub-human bridge-dweller
01:21 PM on 08/01/2009
Historically speaking banking deregulation started under the Carter Administration with the way that mortgage qualification was changed.