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Melissa, I am saddened to see that you have gone down the 9/11 conspiracy road. These “questions” that you claim don’t have any answers to have been answered numerous times. For example, you link to a 2002 article which in it contains the claim that Flight 93 passenger Edward Felt mentioned during a phone call with a dispatcher that he heard an explosion on board and saw white smoke. This story is just simply not true, and has been debunked a long time ago. Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04EFD6133BF934A15750C0A9649C8B63
I could go on but there are not enough hours in the day to play a game of whac-a-mole with 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
Even if one were to concede your point about Edward Felt, there is so much OTHER evidence against the official conspiracy theory that it boggles the mind.
I agree, Melissa, we need a new 9/11 investigation. If we're going to have a War on Terror we need to know who the real terrorists are, how they operate, who funds them, who covers up for them and why. Who profits from terror as a strategy? What role has "false flag terrorism" historically played in setting aggressive policy?
We also need answers to basic questions about what happened on 9/11/01. One 47 story steel framed building not hit by a plane fell straight down in a matter of seconds -- just like a controlled demolition. It took the National Institute of Standards and Technology seven years to produce a 10,000 page report that did not employ the most obvious explanation: explosives. This building was home to offices off the CIA, the Secret Service, Mayor Giuliani's OEM, the SEC (Enron records) and several banks. It would be laughable if it weren't such a serious matter. Similarly, the black box allegedly found inside the Pentagon shows data that contradicts the events that are said to have occurred there -- as, indeed, do numerous eyewitnesses interviewed and recorded by researchers. Clearly, we do not know the whole truth about 9/11.
For more information on these subjects, Google: "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth," "Pilots for 9/11 Truth," and "The Pentacon."
Pilots and aviation professionals from around the globe have also gathered together to call for a new 9/11 Investigation. PilotsFor911Truth.org have analyzed the black box data claimed to be from American 77 and United 93. The data as provided and plotted by he NTSB conflicts with the govt story and observed accounts. The NTSB and FBI have been contacted regarding such conflicts, they both refuse to comment. You can read more regarding this analysis here.
I wish you didn't write this article, Melissa. I received your book on the middle east from the Quarterly Paperback Book Club and am enjoying reading it. Up to now, I was under the impression that I would be correctly informed as to the situation there. However, your hitching on to "9/11 Truthing" makes me skeptical of your other work. This Huff Posting is just a mumbling of vague conspiracy ideas, not worthy of a serious journalist. It is obvious that there is nothing solid here. Do you also want the government to have another investigation of the JFK assassination, flying saucer sightings, US. Liberty attack, etc, etc?
It is interesting that you would equate the assassination of a US president with flying saucer sightings. There are others who would consider the assassination of a US president a more serious matter. Like those who are questioning the official version of 9/11, there are individuals who are patiently waiting for the justice to catch up with the real murderers of Jack Kennedy. It may sadden you to learn that there is some overlap of the perpetrators in those two events. HW?
Who needs an investigation? Those who need to understand what really happened. And there are too many people who have investigated it by themselves. There are foreign countries that have investigated 9/11 more openly than we have. Some of the best written material and some of the best films are put out by Europeans who can see us from a distance. We can't see ourselves clearly. We can only see that Bush needs us to not care.
- The Basic Questions
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
3. Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
5. Why did George H.W. Bush meet bin Laden's brother on 9/11?
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
7. Where are the flight recorders?
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
15. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?
16. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?
17. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?
18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?
19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
An examination of the events that led up to 9/11 would indeed be welcome, and always will. I am saddened, however, to see the reasons that Ms. Rossi uses to call for the investigation. The comments show that this is quickly becoming the haven of many 9/11 conspiracy theorists, eagerly promoting their own websites full of silliness and deception.
I ask my fellow Democrats and progressives to look more closely at the kind of investigations that have already been done into many of these questions. Plenty has already been revealed, things the conspiracy theorists would not have you know.
For example, the identities of the hijackers are beyond question, Ms. Rossi. They left such a clear and unambiguous trail before boarding the planes, it's a scandal that they weren't discovered before then. Investigate why that was, but we know who the hijackers were.
The FDR information from 93 has been released and all systems were normal when the plane crashed. The only thing unusual about the plane was its speed, orientation, and trajectory.
The wargames were standard ones regularly scheduled for the time of year, and they contributed to the response time of the military (for what that was worth). In fact, the only major violations of procedure was to increase response time. Investigate why they came up with different stories before the NORAD tapes were used to find the truth, but why those planes couldn't be intercepted is beyond question.
The author of this comment is more interested in knocking down "conspiracy theorists", who apparently are beneath his dignity (although ALL theories about 9/11 are, by definition about some conspiracy or other) than about uncovering what really happened. Some apparent anomalies pointed out that he says have been satisfactorily answered have not been at all.
Hi,
To clarify: I'm not saying -- at all -- that the issues (or nonissues as the case may be) about flight 93, black boxes, etc are the best or only or most solid reasons to reopen the investigation on 9/11.
What I'm saying is the earlier investigation wasn't at all complete, a lot of questions weren't and still aren't answered, and that there were some apparent conflicts of interest via the committee itself -- ie executive director Philip Zelikow angling for a job before, and getting one afterwards. When the co-chairs say they were hampered and the commission was set up to fail -- as I note in part one -- I'm likely to think the investigation was indeed stymied. That alone is reason to reopen an investigation, being as this was the single most important event in recent American history. There are plenty of others, including simply set the record straight. Debunk the false information, and take a fresh look at what was presented before.
Did you read all of Kean and Hamilton's book, or just the title of the first chapter? Kean and Hamilton do not think their commission was a failure. Read Shenon's The Commission sometime; while he clearly thinks Zelikow has conflicts of interest, he also notes that Zelikow was by a wide margin the most qualifited person to be the executive director of the commission, and in fact threatened to resign if the White House did not turn over the PDBs (which proved highly embarrassing to the Bush Administration).
Your right boloboffin, it is perfectly normal that WTC7 collapsed due to some small fires. Look at the hotel fire at the Madarin in China, it also exploded and collapsed when it caught on fire. errr...nevermind.
Does anyone think it is odd that Kissinger resigned from the 9/11 commission when he was asked about who his clients were? Is Kissinger the guy you would appoint if you were trying to conduct a unbiased investigation?
Thank God, Melissa has the courage to speak. Obviously I fear her requests will fall on deaf ears. Obama works for the same groups that Bush and Cheney work for. The whole left/right paradigm only serves to divide and delude the lowly voters. One week they're shouting and screaming "BUSH!" The next they're swooning for "OBAMA!" It makes me sick.
You can even leave the entire "controlled demolition" theory at the house. It's not necessary. There are so many other inconsistencies surrounding 9/11 that it boggles the mind. I doubt that any one person can fully list every point that has surfaced, not even the most studious of 9/11 truthers. There's just too much information for any one mind to comprehend. This all speaks to some sort of massive conspiracy, even if it's only a cabal to cover up incompetence.
Again I say - you can leave out the buildings falling down, leave out the hole in the Pentagon. I know most people can't wrap their heads around those things. Okay. Fair enough. But there are a thousand other things that need to be questioned by authority. Instead of pinning medals on the breasts of the incredibly irresponsible, there should have been a massive criminal investigation. Massive. It was the biggest crime ever committed in New York's history. To allow only the Executive Branch to use sub-committees to look into such a massive crime in New York city - that's insane.
Many senior veterans of the U.S. intelligence services do not believe the official account of 9/11.
- Raymond McGovern, former Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Estimates (NIE). 27-year CIA veteran. "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke." (According to the CIA, NIE's are "the most authoritative written judgments concerning national security issues.")
- William Christison, former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, overseeing 250 CIA analysts. 29-year CIA veteran. "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. ... The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them."
- General Albert Stubblebine, former commanding general of U.S. Army Intelligence. 32-year U.S. Army veteran. "I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, 'The plane does not fit in that hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"
Information about 1,000 other credible critics of the official account of 9/11 is available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com
Yes Yes Yes. Let us have an honest and full investigation of that horrible, fateful day. There are so many holes in the official myth and if Obama has any moral merit, he must investigate.
Firefightersfor911Truth.org calls for a new investigation that follows National Fire Investigation Standards. We believe there is overwhelming evidence of obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and refusal to test for "exotic accelerants" as called for in the NFPA 921 Explosion and Fire Investigation Manual 19.2.4.
It is obvious to anyone, who cares enough to look at the photos and video, taken after the explosion at the Pentagon, that the hole in the wall could not have occurred as a result of a plane crash. The hole was too small and there was no trace of a plane. The official government line, was that the plane disintegrated, but they were still able to identify the bodies. The nearly 100 'security camera' videos taken that day were seized by government agents, almost immediately after the explosion, and they refuse to release them. Inexplicably flight #93, that allegedly went down in Pennsylvania, also vanished. There is no evidence that any of the 19 alleged hijackers, bought a ticket for any of those flights. We deserve answers.
“9/11 and Nationalist Faith” with Dr. David Ray Griffin who shows that the greatest obstacle to seeing the truth - that 9/11 was an inside job - is not the lack of evidence, but what can be called “nationalist faith” - the belief that America is the “exceptional nation”, whose leaders never deliberately do anything truly evil, at least to their own citizens.
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Melissa, I am saddened to see that you have gone down the 9/11 conspiracy road. These “questions” that you claim don’t have any answers to have been answered numerous times. For example, you link to a 2002 article which in it contains the claim that Flight 93 passenger Edward Felt mentioned during a phone call with a dispatcher that he heard an explosion on board and saw white smoke. This story is just simply not true, and has been debunked a long time ago. Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04EFD6133BF934A15750C0A9649C8B63
I could go on but there are not enough hours in the day to play a game of whac-a-mole with 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
Such hogwash!
Even if one were to concede your point about Edward Felt, there is so much OTHER evidence against the official conspiracy theory that it boggles the mind.
I agree, Melissa, we need a new 9/11 investigation. If we're going to have a War on Terror we need to know who the real terrorists are, how they operate, who funds them, who covers up for them and why. Who profits from terror as a strategy? What role has "false flag terrorism" historically played in setting aggressive policy?
We also need answers to basic questions about what happened on 9/11/01. One 47 story steel framed building not hit by a plane fell straight down in a matter of seconds -- just like a controlled demolition. It took the National Institute of Standards and Technology seven years to produce a 10,000 page report that did not employ the most obvious explanation: explosives. This building was home to offices off the CIA, the Secret Service, Mayor Giuliani's OEM, the SEC (Enron records) and several banks. It would be laughable if it weren't such a serious matter. Similarly, the black box allegedly found inside the Pentagon shows data that contradicts the events that are said to have occurred there -- as, indeed, do numerous eyewitnesses interviewed and recorded by researchers. Clearly, we do not know the whole truth about 9/11.
For more information on these subjects, Google: "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth," "Pilots for 9/11 Truth," and "The Pentacon."
Pilots and aviation professionals from around the globe have also gathered together to call for a new 9/11 Investigation. PilotsFor911Truth.org have analyzed the black box data claimed to be from American 77 and United 93. The data as provided and plotted by he NTSB conflicts with the govt story and observed accounts. The NTSB and FBI have been contacted regarding such conflicts, they both refuse to comment. You can read more regarding this analysis here.
American 77 Press Release
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease
United 93 Press Release
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html
Here is the growing list of aviation professionals responsible for such analysis.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots
(photos here)
Common Arguments/Excuses Made Against Above Analysis Addressed Here
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7163
Thank you for writing this article Ms. Rossi.
You rock, Rob!!
Upon the thin lies of 9/11 rest our foreign policies and two wars.
I wish you didn't write this article, Melissa. I received your book on the middle east from the Quarterly Paperback Book Club and am enjoying reading it. Up to now, I was under the impression that I would be correctly informed as to the situation there. However, your hitching on to "9/11 Truthing" makes me skeptical of your other work. This Huff Posting is just a mumbling of vague conspiracy ideas, not worthy of a serious journalist. It is obvious that there is nothing solid here. Do you also want the government to have another investigation of the JFK assassination, flying saucer sightings, US. Liberty attack, etc, etc?
It is interesting that you would equate the assassination of a US president with flying saucer sightings. There are others who would consider the assassination of a US president a more serious matter. Like those who are questioning the official version of 9/11, there are individuals who are patiently waiting for the justice to catch up with the real murderers of Jack Kennedy. It may sadden you to learn that there is some overlap of the perpetrators in those two events. HW?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4330031689287456187&ei=kI2ESdypIYqsrALJ2pXyCg&q=jfk+2
Who needs an investigation? Those who need to understand what really happened. And there are too many people who have investigated it by themselves. There are foreign countries that have investigated 9/11 more openly than we have. Some of the best written material and some of the best films are put out by Europeans who can see us from a distance. We can't see ourselves clearly. We can only see that Bush needs us to not care.
well said. you've earned a fan.
- The Basic Questions
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
3. Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
5. Why did George H.W. Bush meet bin Laden's brother on 9/11?
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
7. Where are the flight recorders?
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
15. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?
16. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?
17. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?
18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?
19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
An examination of the events that led up to 9/11 would indeed be welcome, and always will. I am saddened, however, to see the reasons that Ms. Rossi uses to call for the investigation. The comments show that this is quickly becoming the haven of many 9/11 conspiracy theorists, eagerly promoting their own websites full of silliness and deception.
I ask my fellow Democrats and progressives to look more closely at the kind of investigations that have already been done into many of these questions. Plenty has already been revealed, things the conspiracy theorists would not have you know.
For example, the identities of the hijackers are beyond question, Ms. Rossi. They left such a clear and unambiguous trail before boarding the planes, it's a scandal that they weren't discovered before then. Investigate why that was, but we know who the hijackers were.
The FDR information from 93 has been released and all systems were normal when the plane crashed. The only thing unusual about the plane was its speed, orientation, and trajectory.
The wargames were standard ones regularly scheduled for the time of year, and they contributed to the response time of the military (for what that was worth). In fact, the only major violations of procedure was to increase response time. Investigate why they came up with different stories before the NORAD tapes were used to find the truth, but why those planes couldn't be intercepted is beyond question.
The author of this comment is more interested in knocking down "conspiracy theorists", who apparently are beneath his dignity (although ALL theories about 9/11 are, by definition about some conspiracy or other) than about uncovering what really happened. Some apparent anomalies pointed out that he says have been satisfactorily answered have not been at all.
See Melissa Rossi's Profile
Hi,
To clarify: I'm not saying -- at all -- that the issues (or nonissues as the case may be) about flight 93, black boxes, etc are the best or only or most solid reasons to reopen the investigation on 9/11.
What I'm saying is the earlier investigation wasn't at all complete, a lot of questions weren't and still aren't answered, and that there were some apparent conflicts of interest via the committee itself -- ie executive director Philip Zelikow angling for a job before, and getting one afterwards. When the co-chairs say they were hampered and the commission was set up to fail -- as I note in part one -- I'm likely to think the investigation was indeed stymied. That alone is reason to reopen an investigation, being as this was the single most important event in recent American history. There are plenty of others, including simply set the record straight. Debunk the false information, and take a fresh look at what was presented before.
Did you read all of Kean and Hamilton's book, or just the title of the first chapter? Kean and Hamilton do not think their commission was a failure. Read Shenon's The Commission sometime; while he clearly thinks Zelikow has conflicts of interest, he also notes that Zelikow was by a wide margin the most qualifited person to be the executive director of the commission, and in fact threatened to resign if the White House did not turn over the PDBs (which proved highly embarrassing to the Bush Administration).
Your right boloboffin, it is perfectly normal that WTC7 collapsed due to some small fires. Look at the hotel fire at the Madarin in China, it also exploded and collapsed when it caught on fire. errr...nevermind.
Does anyone think it is odd that Kissinger resigned from the 9/11 commission when he was asked about who his clients were? Is Kissinger the guy you would appoint if you were trying to conduct a unbiased investigation?
Thank God, Melissa has the courage to speak. Obviously I fear her requests will fall on deaf ears. Obama works for the same groups that Bush and Cheney work for. The whole left/right paradigm only serves to divide and delude the lowly voters. One week they're shouting and screaming "BUSH!" The next they're swooning for "OBAMA!" It makes me sick.
You can even leave the entire "controlled demolition" theory at the house. It's not necessary. There are so many other inconsistencies surrounding 9/11 that it boggles the mind. I doubt that any one person can fully list every point that has surfaced, not even the most studious of 9/11 truthers. There's just too much information for any one mind to comprehend. This all speaks to some sort of massive conspiracy, even if it's only a cabal to cover up incompetence.
Again I say - you can leave out the buildings falling down, leave out the hole in the Pentagon. I know most people can't wrap their heads around those things. Okay. Fair enough. But there are a thousand other things that need to be questioned by authority. Instead of pinning medals on the breasts of the incredibly irresponsible, there should have been a massive criminal investigation. Massive. It was the biggest crime ever committed in New York's history. To allow only the Executive Branch to use sub-committees to look into such a massive crime in New York city - that's insane.
The dead demand justice.
Excellent post, garythemessage. Thank you.
Many senior veterans of the U.S. intelligence services do not believe the official account of 9/11.
- Raymond McGovern, former Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Estimates (NIE). 27-year CIA veteran. "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke." (According to the CIA, NIE's are "the most authoritative written judgments concerning national security issues.")
- William Christison, former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, overseeing 250 CIA analysts. 29-year CIA veteran. "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. ... The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them."
- General Albert Stubblebine, former commanding general of U.S. Army Intelligence. 32-year U.S. Army veteran. "I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, 'The plane does not fit in that hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?"
Information about 1,000 other credible critics of the official account of 9/11 is available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com
Yes Yes Yes. Let us have an honest and full investigation of that horrible, fateful day. There are so many holes in the official myth and if Obama has any moral merit, he must investigate.
Firefightersfor911Truth.org calls for a new investigation that follows National Fire Investigation Standards. We believe there is overwhelming evidence of obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and refusal to test for "exotic accelerants" as called for in the NFPA 921 Explosion and Fire Investigation Manual 19.2.4.
www.Firefightersfor911Truth.org
It is obvious to anyone, who cares enough to look at the photos and video, taken after the explosion at the Pentagon, that the hole in the wall could not have occurred as a result of a plane crash. The hole was too small and there was no trace of a plane. The official government line, was that the plane disintegrated, but they were still able to identify the bodies. The nearly 100 'security camera' videos taken that day were seized by government agents, almost immediately after the explosion, and they refuse to release them. Inexplicably flight #93, that allegedly went down in Pennsylvania, also vanished. There is no evidence that any of the 19 alleged hijackers, bought a ticket for any of those flights. We deserve answers.
Lawyers for 9/11 Truth Supports a new investigation:
http://www.L911T.Com
“9/11 and Nationalist Faith” with Dr. David Ray Griffin who shows that the greatest obstacle to seeing the truth - that 9/11 was an inside job - is not the lack of evidence, but what can be called “nationalist faith” - the belief that America is the “exceptional nation”, whose leaders never deliberately do anything truly evil, at least to their own citizens.
http://davidraygriffin.com
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