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Michael B. Laskoff

Michael B. Laskoff

Posted: April 18, 2010 04:26 PM

The Real Tea Party Movement -- Speaking The Language of Self-Interest

What's Your Reaction:

The Tea Party movement mocks educated reactions to its ire, so I'd like to start with a folksy observation. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. That duck can insist that it's something else -- say a patriotic, bald eagle -- but it's still web-footed waterfowl. In exactly the same way, the Tea Party movement claims to be something that it isn't.

1. Not A Tax Revolt. Federal taxes have not been lower at any time in the past fifty years; 47% of Americans don't pay any federal taxes at all. No one likes taxation, but it has been many generations since anyone has had less reason to complain.

2. Not Opposed to Big Government. The Tea Party movement generally favors Social Security, Medicare and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The first two are positively socialist, and supporting nation building does not qualify as libertarian. Big government is fine when it works for them.

3. Not Inclusive. According to a New York Times/CBS Poll released last week, "...Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45..." 90% of those polled think that Obama is a socialist; nearly one in five believe that he was not born in the US. Many also think that he's a cryto-Muslim. And the movement's 'ideological' leaders -- e.g., Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck -- all share a very pale skin color, as well as a incoherent demagoguery.

Rhetoric aside, the real purpose of the Tea Party movement is clear: prevent the sort of change that might threaten the privileges traditionally enjoyed by middle aged, white Republicans. These are the people who feel that the 'real' America is under assault by the poor, people of color, gay Americans and all immigrants. They wrap themselves in the rhetoric of democracy and tradition, but they are just elites trying to find an acceptable language with which to justify their fear and defend their self interest.

Unfortunately, "Securing Our Self Interest At Your Expense," isn't much of a campaign slogan. And so, we talk about Tea Parties instead.

 

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tnkeating
Dyslexic agnostic insomniac
09:48 PM on 04/19/2010
Your right Mike, 47% of the people pay no tax. I'm one of the 53% that does pay taxes so the other 47% don't have too. Do I resent that? No, we have to take care of our poor, not only is this provided for in our Constitution, but its the Christian thing to do. It seems to me, the people who are against this healthcare or even this administration are the ones who have to pay for it, the people who are for it are the 47% of the people who pay no tax, now thats over simplified and of course not exactly true, but I voted for change I could believe in, not change what I believe in. Incidently my taxes went up and I made less money this year, whats up with that?
05:06 PM on 04/19/2010
What a ridiculous attack.
1) Yes we all know the current tax is not that bad, but a large percentage of the voters are worried about taxes that will be imposed on them in the near future.
2) I don't think anyone in the tea party movement is happy about the wars we are in. However, defense of the nation is the primary reason we have a federal government instead of a collection of nation states. Social Security and Medicare were voted in by a majority of both Republicans and Democrats..a coalition building process that is conspiciously absent in today's administration.
3) Conservative commentators speak almost exclusively about overwhelming and destructive national debt and socialist policies. Almost nothing is said about race or gay rights yet the left constantly wants to focus on those issues. The economy and the damage being caused by both the present and past administrations is the focus of the tea party movement and of conservatives.
Now watch some troll yell "teabagger, teabagger" which is kind of funny because they use the reference as an inside joke, the word also describes a gay act, so they are using "teabagger" to call someone gay as if that was a slur. So sad.
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Michael B. Laskoff
09:51 PM on 04/19/2010
(1) Wouldn't new taxes have been a more rational fear under a president who commenced two wars.

(2) Iraq wasn't attacking the US, and we don't make it our business to remove all the evil in the world.

(2a) The Social Security Act was passed after Democrats won both the House and Senate in 1964. They had a 2:1 majority in Congress. The Act passed in 1965. Republicans may have voted for it, but that may have a testament to the fact that they were less intransigent than today's GOP.

(3) Conservative commentators didn't say a damned thing about borrowing to fund wars. That's antithetical to Republican Party ethos.

By the way, it's interesting that you seem to confuse GOP and Tea Bagger.
12:50 PM on 04/21/2010
It is pointless, Michael, to try to argue with people who believe in this movement. In short, they are incoherent and inconsistent in their ideological beliefs.

I think that the driving force is simply an impotent rage, fueled by those commentators that you mentioned. There is no thought, just feeling when it comes to those protesters, for the most part at least.

For example, the guy who responded to you mentioned that he wasn't mad about taxes NOW, but on the future for paying taxes, despite the fact that there is no real reason to believe that taxes will be raised, other than an unthinking, gut reaction to legislation.

I think that this is most evident when you look at the folks who were out doing a gun rally this week, despite the fact that there is no federal legislation in the works, or even talk of legislation, to create more strict gun laws. To the rally people, this is suddenly necessary because they are afraid and angry and these feelings are fanned by the incoherent demagoguery from those talkers that you mentioned.
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04:00 PM on 04/19/2010
Michael. 47% of Americans pay no income tax. Do you see that as good or bad? Given this, what do you deduce for the remaining 53% paying the nations Bills?
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Michael B. Laskoff
09:38 PM on 04/19/2010
I can't speak for anyone else, but it strikes me as bizarre that less than half of Americans pay federal income tax. (By the way, don't assume that only the poor aren't asked to pay.)
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as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
12:53 PM on 04/19/2010
Firstly, I have to say that I have the utmost respect for ANY blogger who actually monitors and even RESPONDS to the discussion they promote (no matter the discussion). Thank you for that.
I really only started following US politics and Huffington Post because of the HRC and the reactions to it. Sadly I am seeing a side of Americans that is shameful, ugly and downright scary. The gloves have come off and it is seemingly now totally appropriate to finally verbalize all the pent-up racism, bigotry and classism (is that a word?) that the Right have been repressing for so long.
The fear-mongering has them focusing on the anomalies - illegal immigrants, welfare 'bums' - rather than the majority of the population: the underemployed and the working poor. That is the group who will and should benefit from HRC, that is the group that enabled the typical right-wing demographic to get where they are today. They are truly the stitching holding the fabric of the country together.
Time and again I hear and read of the fear that these reforms will cause the 'underlings' to feel some sense of entitlement (GASP!) but so far the only group displaying ENTITLEMENT is the TP and Republicans themselves. The selfishness is appalling and worse - they don't even recognize it in themselves.
These are sad times watching the layers being peeled back to expose the real thoughts and feelings of far too many Americans, more numerous than I ever imagined.
02:23 PM on 04/19/2010
But not the majority, thank Providence. . . though so far, an ineffective majority, alas. Have we reached critical mass yet?
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Michael B. Laskoff
03:45 PM on 04/19/2010
Well said. Truth is often most visible in what is not said. In that regard, we owe the TP a debet of gratitude: they bring clarity to subjects that tend to go unexplored.
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
12:49 PM on 04/19/2010
We shall overcome. The dinosaurs are extinct and soon too will be the old white guys.
01:08 PM on 04/19/2010
That's not racist? White male = evil? Isn't northern Europe primarily white, yet aren't those societies often held up as primary examples of well run societies? Or are oppressive Islamic theocracies, African and South American dictatorships better examples that we should be striving for?

Some of you are very confused.
02:28 PM on 04/19/2010
Awww . . . come on . . . don't be disingenious, now. You know full well "old white guys" is code-speak for "the greedy ones", because most such ARE old white guys.
02:53 PM on 04/19/2010
Not all old white people are conservative.
12:33 PM on 04/19/2010
The new American socialist party.
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Michael B. Laskoff
02:17 PM on 04/19/2010
Do you see a socialist party? Really. Is anyone talking about the redistribution of wealth? If so, I'm unaware of it.
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Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
06:10 PM on 04/19/2010
Touche! To see that word bandied around so much only proves how few actually understand what it really means.
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tnkeating
Dyslexic agnostic insomniac
09:59 PM on 04/19/2010
So 53% paying for 47%, your OK with that? Thats not redistribution of wealth? Pass the Fair Tax
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
05:18 PM on 04/19/2010
Aren't you missing a 'baggerpalooza somewhere?
pharmmajor
proud Libertarian.
12:13 PM on 04/19/2010
The REAL Tea Party movement was established the libertarians who started protesting Bush's wasteful spending and bailouts, before it was hijacked by the right-wing and turned into a hate-fest.
11:35 AM on 04/19/2010
So What! Humans have and always will act in their self-interest. It is the nature of man.

It is true that 47% pay no Federal Income Taxes. Social Security is a Government run insurance plan that you pay premiums to (Federal Insurance Contribution ACT (FICA).

It is akin to an insurance annuity. Your premiums are based on earned income. Your annuity is directly tied to the premiums you paid.

It's the mandated purchase of insurance from a single provider/payer.

Income taxes are not entered into your account ledger to be used to compute future payments to be made directly to you based on what you paid in.

You can argue about how to calculate premiums or how much any given person should pay.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. SS is mandated insurance.

So when the Progressives tout all the other taxes the 47% pay, leave FICA out.

Progressives 'boiling the frog since 1913"
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Michael B. Laskoff
02:18 PM on 04/19/2010
I get the strong sensation that you are saying something important here, but I'm just not certain what it means. Care to elaborate?
04:47 PM on 04/19/2010
I was disagreeing with your statement that Social Security is socialist.

Mandated yes, a social program yes, socialist no. The very nature of how its insurance premiums are paid in and its benefits are paid out precludes it from being a socialist program in the traditional sense.

It is not a retirement savings program. If it was, one could accrue property rights.

It is an insurance program based upon a long outdated actuarial model.

Medicare is a socialist program and a tax. The revenues paid into the program are in essence a flat tax on earned income. Those revenues are not credited to an Individual's account and the benefits are not computed based on what an individual has paid in.

It is true that everybody who has earned income are subject to a 2.9% flat tax and an insurance premium of 12.4% of their earned income up to 106.8K. It is also true that 47% were not subject to the progressive portion of the income tax system.

Just trying to call a duck, a duck.

Also all those defending the Health Care bill's insurance purchase mandates should look to FICA. It is not private, but it is without a doubt insurance.
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03:49 PM on 04/19/2010
There is no "mandated purchase of insurance from a single provider/payer" in the healthcare legislation that passed. Your alternatives are pretty much the same as they've always been if you're relatively healthy -- and if you aren't, you probably have more alternatives now than you did before the legislation passed.

So the question remains . . . what is it you're REALLY upset about?
05:18 PM on 04/19/2010
Never said there was. Who said I was upset?

Said 'So What' to self-interest. This country as in most is just a collection of special interest.
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returntocommonsense
Democracy is a verb - or at least it should be.
10:39 AM on 04/19/2010
The explanation for the fear is actually simple - people fear change. They are afraid that they will lose the predominant position that they have held for so long. The bigger fear is that the injustices that they have imposed on minorities will now be visited on them.
11:19 AM on 04/19/2010
I've noticed that most actions of Right wing people are actions resulting from fear.
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Michael B. Laskoff
02:22 PM on 04/19/2010
In fairness, I would agree that fear of the unknown is part of the human condition. It's like greed – part of us all. What's sad is that so many members of the TP believe that they have a "deal" that's better than will be available to people in the future. So what they want, is not equality but a "lock in" of their deal to the detriment of others who might not be so lucky.
02:33 PM on 04/19/2010
well said
10:18 AM on 04/19/2010
I'm a white middle-aged Democrat, but there are a few concerns that I have that is resonating with some of these Tea Party members. There is a legitimate issue of those who produce being taken advantage of by those that would rather steal. Now, right off the bat, conventional wisdom is going to say that statement has racial implications, but why? Is welfare fraud more predominate among certain races? I doubt it. That does not mean that it isn't a huge problem in a struggling economy, though. Corporate welfare fraud is also egregious, but harder to feel on a personal level.
My wife is a Chinese immigrant, and nothing infuriates her more than this. With all of the hard working Chinese immigrants she knows, she also knows of wealthy Chinese businessmen who are living in public housing because they master hiding their wealth from governments. It makes her blood boil - does that make her racist?
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Michael B. Laskoff
02:26 PM on 04/19/2010
I haven't called anyone a racist. I'm reciting the facts from the New York Times/CBS poll. You'll not that they use words like "tend" an awful lot.

And it seems that you're of the opinion that I don't believe in fraud. In fact, I freely acknowledge that this is a problem, but that does not eliminate the reality that much of our system has been stacked in ways that benefits the very people who set up the rules. Is that really a controversial opinion?
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Osmona
Its GREAT to be alive and SANE.
03:49 PM on 04/19/2010
That's the key, the deck has been "stacked" and now because of so much corruption, everyone has to basically start from scratch. Except those of us who have been suffering all along. The tea party people are angry at the wrong people. They should be protesting down on wall street, or health insurance companies or those companies who are sending their money overseas and enjoying tax loopholes. Don't protest about people who are struggling to make it.
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nana-anne
just trying to make sense of the senseless
10:12 AM on 04/19/2010
Please, someone, anyone tell me one freedom that has been lost during the Obama Administration. Tea Party people, regardless of their age, race, intelligence or financial level keep insisting that the government is out to get us and deny us our freedoms. Show me specifics, and stop waving those inflammatory signs.
03:12 PM on 04/19/2010
Obama wants to "make me", mandate purchase insurance and it's unconstitutional and it's a BAD HR LAW, got "sizzle" incendiary remarks or "steak" facts?
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nana-anne
just trying to make sense of the senseless
04:53 PM on 04/19/2010
Let's wait until the court rules on the constitutionality of the new law. Just because YOU think is is unconstitutional does not make it true. I guess I'm not cool enough to understand the "sizzle" and "steak" remarks
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Tekkdude
Battling Republican lies one post at a time.
05:30 PM on 04/19/2010
You don't have to buy insurance. You can feel free to pay the tax for not having bought it. I am sick of having to pay higher premiums for those people who choose to not insure themselves and then show up at the emergency room with $100,000+ medical bills. Thank God for the individual mandate. It stops the illegal transfer of funds from me to them. The Republicans should be all about that. They are always complaining about how the government is taking away from them to pay for someone else. This solves part of that problem. Now we all have to pay for ourselves, at least for healthcare.
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
05:21 PM on 04/19/2010
Some will shriek until they pass out that the government has removed their rights to die in a car crash by making seat belt usage a law.
10:09 AM on 04/19/2010
The radical, socialist, fringe, Dem group wants ot silence the Tea Party, but Bill Clinton says, "“This Tea Party movement can be a healthy thing if they are making us justify every dollar of taxes we raise and every dollar of money we’ve spent,”.

Funny how the "out of control" run away spending of the Dems, they still just does not get it......
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
10:37 AM on 04/19/2010
Read the article, you might learn something.
09:24 AM on 04/19/2010
Fine piece. The Tea Party as a head-fake in the direction of populism by folks who haven't the slightest interest in the needs or concerns of most Americans. To do this, coherence is strictly optional.
09:03 AM on 04/19/2010
Roland Martin says, "First, let's deal with the Tea Party haters. Please, shut up.

How can any liberal, progressive, moderate or conservative be mad about a group of Americans taking to the streets to protest the actions of the country? What they are engaged in is constitutional.
The freedom to assemble, march, walk, scream and yell is right there in the document we all abide by.

Do I object to idiots holding up clearly racist signs, as well as the stupidity of images of President Obama as Hitler? Of course. That ignorance detracts from whatever commentary they are trying to make on the status of the nation.

It's clear that most of the folks attending Tea Party rallies are not bigots and homophobes. There are ignorant fools in all groups, and the Tea Party is no different."

I say, "The fact remains that the biggest tax hike in US history is on the way to the middle class, even though taxes are low now. "

As one opposed to the IRAQ war, one who wrote my Senators, Congressmen, Governor, and President to promote immigration. I don't fit neatly into Laskoff's little category. Furthermore any Rachel Maddog conspiracy that you try to apply to the tea party is absurd....
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Anne Johnson
Fairly Unbalanced
12:22 PM on 04/19/2010
So the tea party is in favor of equal rights for gays? Love how you people always complain about being pigeonholed into a certain category yet you turn around and do the exact same thing to everyone else. "Rachel Maddog"? You should be ashamed of yourself. The tea party is all about "I've-got-mine-so-screw-you." They may have a better income and be well educated but that doesn't mean they have any common sense. Apparently they are just out of touch elitists a label that conservatives have been hanging on the liberals for the last fifty years. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now isn't it?
03:16 PM on 04/19/2010
If U believe that the Dems and Obama R proceeding correctly with the so called reform that is unpopular, U supported the Bush years and here's why......

Bush went against the will of the people to pursue an IRAQ war that cost a trillion, and how much corruption we don't even know yet. I was against it, but it was "ramrodded through". Think about it for a minute, were the American people really consulted about this?

Now in 2010, the shoe is on the other foot with the Dems in power, and they "ramrodded through" contentious legislation. Now if U R logical and U remove the emotions from the issues for a minute consider this: The Gallup Poll asked, "Regardless of whether you favored or opposed the health care legislation Congress passed this past week, do U
think the methods the Democratic leaders in Congress used to get enough votes to pass this legislation were an abuse of power or were an appropriate use of power by the party that controls the majority in Congress?" The results: 53 percent say the Democrats' methods were an abuse of power, while 40 percent say they were appropriate.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Poll-Majority-says-Dem-health-care-tactics-an-abuse-of-power-89624142.html#ixzz0lLouBJIq
04:38 PM on 04/19/2010
Um, how is it 'clear' that most of the 'folks' attending Tea Party rallies are not bigots or homophobes?? There was a small Tea Party gathering near our quiet suburb and there were at least 2 signs that I saw that could not be described as anything BUT racist.

But are you going to tell me that those 'folks' aren't really part of the movement or what its about? Then why were all the other Teabaggers just standing there, right alongside them, allowing them to express their bigotry as part of the Tea Party group?

As for your magical prediction about the biggest middle class tax increase being 'on its way' - what are you, a time traveler from the future? A fortune teller? Bill Murray in Groundhog Day? Lol, so you are protesting hypothetical FUTURISTIC tax increases that have not actually occurred and ignoring the LOWER taxes that the majority of the middle class payed this year?

In what twisted insane troll logic does that make sense??? Do you wonder how magnets work too??
08:46 AM on 04/19/2010
Brown Guy Rolan Martin says, First, let's deal with the Tea Party haters. Please, shut up.

"How can any liberal, progressive, moderate or conservative be mad about a group of Americans taking to the streets to protest the actions of the country? What they are engaged in is constitutional. The freedom to assemble, march, walk, scream and yell is right there in the document we all abide by.

Do I object to idiots holding up clearly racist signs, as well as the stupidity of images of President Obama as Hitler? Of course. That ignorance detracts from whatever commentary they are trying to make on the status of the nation.

But it's clear that most of the folks attending Tea Party rallies are not bigots and homophobes. There are ignorant fools in all groups, and the Tea Party is no different"

I say Laskoff who wrote this article is looking for conspiracies like that Rachel Maddog, part of the radical, socialist, fringe, Dem group trying to justifiy everything Obama does. And for the record the
taxes are in fact low now, but set to "kick in" is the highest tax increase on the Middle class in US history......
09:25 AM on 04/19/2010
When that big tax hike comes feel free to come back and bitch until then you have no argument . Most Americans paid less in taxes this year.
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10:22 AM on 04/19/2010
spam.
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
11:46 AM on 04/19/2010
Why is it these trolls all have private pages. Why are they afraid to let anyone know anything about them? They are just cowards.