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Let's Stop Celebrating College Dropouts

Posted: 12/08/11 01:15 PM ET

By Michael Bastedo and Molly Ott

Recently it has become very fashionable to glorify college dropouts. The late Steve Jobs, perhaps the best business leader of our era, dropped out of Reed College. Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Michael Dell, and Larry Ellison? All dropouts. And as we all saw in The Social Network, pretty much the entire founding cohort of Facebook left Harvard.

There's a real issue here. In a time of economic uncertainty, America's imagination has been captured by companies largely founded by college dropouts. Our school curricula certainly don't emphasize applied business skills. High schools don't teach finance, colleges don't teach sales. Conformity seems prized over risk-taking. It's an easy argument to make.

But what is the evidence?

One of us, Molly Ott, analyzed the educational backgrounds of 3,625 top managers at Fortune 500 companies in 2010. What did she find? A full 97 percent of America's major CEOs have a four-year college degree. Most of them have MBAs, and many have other advanced degrees, even doctorates.

OK, so maybe CEOs aren't college dropouts. What about regular people founding start-up businesses? Recently, University of North Carolina researchers randomly selected 439 "nascent entrepreneurs" who started a new business from 1998 to 2000. Their findings were remarkable: One of the strongest predictors of starting a new company was the founder's college degree. It was a stronger predictor than prior work experience, even prior managerial experience.

How does a college education contribute to entrepreneurial development? Education develops the analytical skills that help people recognize and exploit business opportunities. College-educated people also seem to develop stronger inclinations to found businesses in the first place, and those businesses are rated more innovative.

Let's look more closely at these famous dropouts. In Ott's sample, 6 of 252 CEOs were college dropouts. Half of these -- Jobs, Dell, and Ellison -- founded technology firms. Are tech firm founders more likely to be college dropouts?

To find the answer, The Kauffman Foundation conducted a survey of American tech founders in 2005, and 92 percent of them held at least a bachelor's degree. All of the start-up companies were successful, having at least $1 million in annual sales each. But those founded by entrepreneurs with high school degrees had less than half of the average revenues and number of employees as start-ups established by Ivy League graduates.

Note something remarkable that these technology-firm college dropouts have in common: They all applied to elite colleges. Bill Gates and The Facebook crowd? Harvard. Michael Dell? UT-Austin. Larry Ellison? University of Chicago. The incoming class at Reed College, Steve Jobs' alma mater, has an average 3.9 GPA and SAT score of 2071.

If they all ultimately dropped out, why does this matter? Because just applying to elite colleges demonstrates incredible accomplishment and motivation to achieve, and is itself a good predictor of future financial success.

In a famous study, the economists Stacy Berg Dale and Alan Krueger examined students who applied to elite colleges as well as those that enrolled. Those who applied to elite colleges - but were rejected -- earned just as much money in later life as students who actually enrolled. They argue that the primary factor behind future earnings isn't just the education you get at top colleges, but also the motivation of students to apply and succeed.

So these weren't your average, run-of-the-mill college dropouts. These were highly intelligent, highly motivated young people who sought out the best education they could obtain. They came primarily from upper-middle-class families. To borrow from Occupy Wall Street: These are not the 99%. In motivation and intelligence and resources, these are likely the top tenth of 1%.

What is the damage in celebrating college dropouts? Every year, thousands upon thousands of students leave higher education without a degree. The National Center for Education Statistics estimates that around 20 percent of students who start at a four-year college or university will drop out within six years. Low-income students are the most likely to depart, leaving higher education with potentially large debts, no degree, no job, and few family resources. The idea that these students are well positioned to found tech start-up companies is a cruel joke.

We doubt that dropping out is a good idea for almost anyone. This is a case in which we all know the winners but the losers are completely invisible. What of the students who dropped out, struggled to found a start-up business, and ultimately failed? Less than 10 percent of all start-up companies can even pay back their initial investors. Nobody argues that all college football players should drop out and try out for the NFL.

Despite their lack of formal degrees, at least a few of these tech successes understand the value of higher education. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation focuses a substantial portion of its resources on improving college access and completion. And as Walter Isaacson reveals, even after dropping out, Steve Jobs continued to audit courses at Reed College on his own terms. One of his favorite places was Stanford University -- which has fueled the development of Google, Yahoo, and dozens of other companies. The memorial service for Jobs, one of the most prominent college dropouts ever, was held on the campus of that prestigious university.

Michael Bastedo is an associate professor at the University of Michigan. Molly Ott is a lecturer at the University of Miami.

 
 
 
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REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
05:27 PM on 01/08/2012
The celebration of college dropouts is unwarranted. To me, it is similar to convincing inner city youths that school is irrelevant and, if they only hone their basketball skills, they will earn big bucks in the NBA, when only a miniscule number will make it to the pro ranks.
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Ayla87
Don't Delete Me Bro!
02:26 PM on 12/12/2011
I love how defensive college graduates get when a dropout enters the room. Especially if said dropout makes just as much or more money than the graduate. Here's an inconvenient truth: Unless you know exactly what you want to be or you have a passion such as art or music, college is a waste of time and money.

And I know what some people will say upon reading this comment. That; "A liberal education is an end to itself". And that's true, but that doesn't mean you need to go to college to get it. Any schmuck with a library card and an internet connection can gain a liberal education. I know, I've done it. And I'm not ashamed to say that I learned more in the two years I spent at the library than I did in the two years I spent at college.

But hey, what would I know? I only dropped out of college to take a job at a staffing firm. Three years later I'm a manager with enough IT experience to move from HR & Recruiting to Web Design and Systems Administration. I also buckled down in high school and studied two foreign languages, which right out of high school is two more than the average american. I'm currently working on learning my fourth language now.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:47 PM on 12/13/2011
It's obvious you didn't read the article. The odds of a dropout entering the room making more money than the graduate is tiny. While you may think and attempt to perpetuate the myth that education, specifically college education, is a waste of time facts prove you woefully unprepared to deal with reality. As unprepared as your followers.
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sabelmouse
i love to tumble , ask me why .
09:06 AM on 12/12/2011
Teachers (benevolent and unaware as they often are of this situation) are allowed to exercise a kind of power over their students that has fewer restrictions than that allowed by caregivers in other institutions like jails. Students are taught about human rights and government in social studies classes and sometimes even play act the roles, but they are not able to practice these vital components of good citizenship in their daily lives at school. Children do not need to be taught about oppression; they are oppressed. They do not need to be taught about human rights abuses; their human rights are trampled on every day they are in school.
http://www.lifemedia.ca/altpress/cae_excerpt.htm
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:48 PM on 12/13/2011
Teachers are not caregivers. Get yourself an education.
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sabelmouse
i love to tumble , ask me why .
06:43 AM on 12/14/2011
no, as far as i can tell they are prison guards. where else but prison are people thus restricted and subjugated ?
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sabelmouse
i love to tumble , ask me why .
09:04 AM on 12/12/2011
Our Survival May Depend Upon Kids Who Haven’t Been to School – November 29, 2011
http://www.wendypriesnitz.com/blog/societys_survival_may_depend_on_kids_who_havent_been_to_school.html
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skyshoes
06:02 AM on 12/12/2011
I was "stunned" (not really) when I read the Yale comments section in their school paper. They were trying to pooh pooh the OWS protest at their august institution as well as one at Harvard. One of the future "leaders" tossed out that "if someone invested $1000 in 1950 that money would be worth $60,000 today". MYGOD! what are you teaching these prats.

I dropped out of college because demand for a product I was manufacturing put a much larger demand on my time than the courses I was taking. I was harangued for decades by system followers, that my business, as it grew, needed some college people with degrees to help me out. I hired two young go getter college guys to run one division. They ran away after they created a $50,000 debt... My high school educated wife took it over while raising three kids and got the debt reduced to zero in one year.

I was stunned when Steve Wozniak mentioned that the university that he went to kept the computer lab locked, and when he figured a way to sneak in, and when the school found out, they sent a bill for $20,000 to his parents for its "illegal" use.

I am sure Jobs and thousands of creative people could not have attained the heights they have without the skills of many college educated geniuses, it takes all kinds.
12:56 AM on 12/12/2011
Is there a difference between a college dropout and and a college graduate, except on paper? I've met both types and neither can do basic algebra or speak in a past perfect tense.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:49 PM on 12/13/2011
Your anecdotes lack validity. Your post answers your own question.
12:30 AM on 12/15/2011
Care to point out exactly what you're talking about? Personal attacks do not help create a good argument, not that that is your aim.
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lcr999
scientist
07:38 PM on 12/11/2011
It is certainly true that you can learn on the job, but most employers are not interested in this. But then again, if you found the company you have some flexibility. Certainly Bill Gates and Steve Jobs acquired far more knowledge than required for a BS or MBA or whatever. And they didn't learn it all by themselved.
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
02:33 PM on 12/11/2011
We need an economy that makes a college education worthwhile. Why take on the expense and effort to get a four year degree only to have to compete with someone in India or China who will do the same work a third of a decent salary here?
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inmyhumbleopinion
Vote third party.
01:35 PM on 12/11/2011
I so agree with this. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg, to name a few, are the business equivalent of getting struck by lightning. And we also happen to be talking about three people who probably have Mensa level IQs and were probably doing college level work from the time they were in 8th grade. For every one of these guys, there are 10 more Sergey Brins and Larry Pages who completed their Bachelor's degrees and then some.

It's important to separate the value of a degree from the cost of a degree. The latter is what we should all be questioning and how to make it easier for more people to attain post-secondary education.
12:10 PM on 12/11/2011
A good start in assessing all this would be to apply some competent scientific analysis and determine how much of the vaunted correlation between college education and achievement actually involves causation. The most common error of journalists, shared by the author, is to assume that a college education causes success just because many successful people have such an education.

There is a lot of evidence, unpopular evidence, that suggests that success is largely determined by IQ and that IQ is largely heritable. Those with higher IQ's tend to congregate in higher education and thus are more likely to have college degrees. But it does not follow that the education causes their success. It may just be along for the ride. Some studies controlling for IQ would help establish the truth here, whatever that is. But the for-profit college industry, the education lobby, and the student loan industry would oppose such inquiry.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:51 PM on 12/13/2011
Posting "There is a lot of evidence" exposes just how little information you're aware of.
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kokobell616
No news is new news when old news is newsworthy.
04:14 AM on 12/11/2011
Of course there are benefits of a college education. Of course there are debts that most students incur while being educated. The issue, as I see it is, what is the debt to knowledge ratio and how will it stack up against the debt to knowledge ratio of past college graduates. Meaning, are the graduates more prepared for what comes next with the increased tuition or not?
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:51 PM on 12/13/2011
Not everything in life has a cost/benefit ratio. It's clear your ability to think critically is limited to economic returns.
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Trustfunded1
10:39 AM on 12/10/2011
Asian graduates are more productive and profitable.

Americas Ivory towers produce nothing but debt strapped slothful employees who demand top dollar wages.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:52 PM on 12/13/2011
So says one who demonstrates xenophobia in addition to educational envy.
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stratego
08:57 AM on 12/10/2011
Expensive educations at the feet of one of the last bastions of white elitism. Go for a less expensive education and put these 1%ers out of business.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:53 PM on 12/13/2011
Working at Walmart is an inexpensive education. I'd prefer to put Walmart out of business.
04:58 PM on 12/09/2011
College in America was/is a bit of a finishing school for the stamp of middle class accessibilty into the workforce. Regardless if one is actually educated when one graduates the college degree has become the basic requirement for a middle class job.

College is a business. A very expensive business with big debt attached. America has been trained to think that our inventiveness and success relies on getting that degree. We go broke getting a degree for ourselves and spend our first ten years out of school paying it off then go broke again putting our children through the same finishing school.

Education is valuable. However, college is not entirely about education. You make life long friends, you learn how to make your way in the world and begin to develop views and opinions that you will take with you as you make your way in the world. It is a rite of passage.

I would counter, let's stop celebrating the college degree as a true measure of what it takes to make a difference in the world. Let's stop using it as measure someone's worth, socially, economically or otherwise.


Although I appreciate the professor's sentiment, he's still a professor and I'd never ask a barber if I need a haircut.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:56 PM on 12/13/2011
"let's stop celebratin­g the college degree as a true measure of what it takes to make a difference in the world"

A college degree is not celebrated as a true measure of what it takes to make a difference. It is a true measure of one's commitment to learning. You apparently are opposed to asking professionals for advise.
03:22 PM on 12/13/2011
Two degrees. No, I don't have that issue. I just realize that the package may not always be reflective of the content.
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legalclubs
04:51 PM on 12/09/2011
The author has made a huge logical error. The author contends that as most people who are CEOs or start businesses and most people who succeed at starting a business have a college degree or higher, that it's because college taught them what they needed to succeed. That might be true, but it doesn't necessary logically follow and the evidence runs contrary to the contention.

College in this day in age is basically a way for businesses to screen people for IQ and the ability to work and accomplish something. Your degree is nothing more than a certificate in which somebody who is hiring at least knows that you are capable of learning, thus you will likely be able to learn what to do at your new job. So it's not that what you learned in getting your degree is valuable, it's just the degree itself as a passport into the working world.

Now, smart people know all of the above. So smart people generally go to college because it is a pathway to a good job in the future (at least traditionally). However, when these same people figure out they can make it without the degree, they drop out, like Gates and Allen. It's really that simple.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:57 PM on 12/13/2011
You have made a huge logical error. It's called the straw man fallacy.
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legalclubs
08:36 PM on 12/14/2011
Your claim is unsupported.