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Appreciating Religion and Science on Evolution Weekend

Posted: 02/07/11 06:49 PM ET

For the sixth time, hundreds of religious congregations on six continents will participate in an event designed to demonstrate that the most exciting scientific findings pose no threat to deeply held religious belief. Indeed, the leaders and members of these congregations recognize that as science teaches us more about how the natural world functions, their faith becomes stronger rather than weaker. And, although there are some who find it difficult to accept, participants are fully comfortable embracing the basic principles of science without having to forsake the most important aspects of their faith.

The weekend of Feb. 11-13 is the sixth annual Evolution Weekend, an event sponsored by The Clergy Letter Project, an organization of more than 14,000 clergy members and scientists. In addition to demonstrating that religion and science can comfortably coexist, the event was created to achieve a number of additional important goals.

Promoters of Evolution Weekend want to create a space to explore the relationship between religion and science. They want to elevate the "dialogue" on the subject that has devolved into sound bites with shouts claiming that people must choose between religion and science passing as "discourse." They also want to demonstrate that it is possible to truly discuss complex issues, issues that have divided many, with sincerity and respect. Finally, they want to prove to all who are willing to take notice, that those fundamentalists who claim to be speaking on behalf of religion are not speaking for thousands of clergy and the religions they represent.

Along these lines, it is well worth noting that Evolution Weekend participants come from across the full breadth of the religious and political spectrum. Some are from our largest cathedrals while others are from tiny rural parishes. A wide variety of races and ethnicities are represented. Males and females, old and young, conservatives and liberals are all taking part in Evolution Weekend. Christians from a host of denominations, as well as Jews and Muslims are all participating. Evolution Weekend has become an opportunity for such a diverse group of people to come together and celebrate what they have in common: love for their religion and respect for science.

The name and date of Evolution Weekend were selected to help achieve yet another goal of The Clergy Letter Project: to rehabilitate the "E" word -- Evolution.

Ever since the Scopes Trial in 1925, evolution has been under attack by those who think it is more important to promote their narrow religious perspective than to understand the natural world. In the immediate aftermath of the Scopes Trial, virtually all traces of evolution vanished from American science textbooks and evolution remained missing until the early 1960s, when Americans realized that Soviet science education was fast outpacing American science education.

Creationists, in the name of religion, first outlawed the teaching of human evolution and then, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that unconstitutional, they began to use a number of ruses to promote their religious doctrines by claiming they were in favor of freedom on inquiry. They pretended to turn their religion into science by calling it "creation science" and when that too was ruled unconstitutional they changed the name again and promoted "intelligent design." The U.S. courts also ruled that strategy unconstitutional. Despite all of these legal setbacks, creationists have kept up their relentless attack on evolution, the most important concept in all of biology. It has been termed a religion. It has been portrayed as nothing more than a "theory." And it has been characterized, by those with precious little biological background, as pseudoscientific claptrap.

Despite the lack of intellectual and scientific substance to the attacks on evolution, the constant refrain from creationists that evolution is responsible for virtually all of modern society's ills has largely shaped the public's perception of the issue. Large segments of the public, ignorant of both basic biology and common theology, reject evolution believing that it is bad science and contrary to their religious beliefs. Even as scientists, building upon the principles of evolutionary theory, make the most astounding breakthroughs in the understanding of the human genome, leading to medical advances previously only dreamed possible, creationists work tirelessly to keep evolution from being taught in our public schools. Most politicians are scared to endorse this basic biological principle fearing a backlash in the name of religion.

Evolution Weekend is attempting to change all of that. By being celebrated on the weekend closest to the birth of Charles Darwin (Feb. 12, 1809), the founder of the modern view of evolution, Evolution Weekend purposefully brings attention to the single issue that religious fundamentalists find most abhorrent. Participants are not looking to deify Darwin, however. Instead, they are simply attempting to demonstrate that his ideas, reshaped enormously in the 152 years since he published On the Origin of Species, are important to a modern worldview and are fully compatible with modern religious teachings. By doing this, they are proudly taking active steps to publicly define religion in a positive manner.

The clergy members who are celebrating Evolution Weekend recognize the critical role science education should play in our society -- and they recognize that religion plays a different, but, in their minds, no less important, role. Join these forward-looking individuals, celebrate Evolution Weekend and help create a population that better understands both religion and science.

 
 
 

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For the sixth time, hundreds of religious congregations on six continents will participate in an event designed to demonstrate that the most exciting scientific findings pose no threat to deeply held ...
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10:38 AM on 02/15/2011
I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, commonly called Mormons. Our Church magazine recently published an article stating the there are three sources for truth: Science, Scripture and personal revelation. Rather than challenge science, we embrace it. Science should continue to seek truth and not defend science dogma anmore than religious dogma.
09:09 AM on 04/05/2011
Great, apply real science to your religion, you'll find Joseph Smith made the whole thing up.
12:18 AM on 02/15/2011
JESUS THE LAST NEPHILIM ISBN:978-1-84748-797-1 Humans genetically designed advancing evolution over 50 million years!
01:59 AM on 02/15/2011
Wow, your Bible has lots of chapters and verses!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
09:07 AM on 02/14/2011
Every weekend is evolution weekend.

It's celebrated as part of the permanent Fact24/7 program, an ongoing series of engagements with reality that point out that the physical world doesn't much care whether you have imaginary friends or not.

You can join in the Fact24/7 activities by looking out of the window, testing a hypothesis, or best-of-all by questioning the grounds on which you believe things that make no sense.
Chroesus
Always seek enlightenment...resist ignorance and s
04:26 PM on 02/13/2011
I do not understand how science and Biblical claims can be reconciled. The Bible claims that humanity was created , as is, between six and ten thousand years ago. that alone encapsulates the problem. The Bible claims a worldwide great flood, that is also impossible. The Bible story of the tower of bable defies everything we know about the history of language and modern philology. These things require that Christians be open to viewing their Holy text as other than purely literal. No problem for most modern Christians but an insurmountable problem for American Evangelicals, Conservative Christians and Pentacostals.
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onionboy
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08:46 PM on 02/13/2011
Therein lies the biggest problem, the lack of understanding of metaphors. It's like the politicians who put such weight on the particular importance of the ten commandments (thou shalt not bear false witness, etc.). But really...they tell us not to lie, cheat, and steal. Can someone point out a religion or culture that does NOT tell people to avoid lying, cheating, and stealing? The Ten Commandments are simply the metaphor used to relay the same lessons that almost every culture in recorded history has considered.
07:47 AM on 02/14/2011
But rationaljimmy makes a point when saying that this is all relative. Once you posit an agent outside of physical reality, then the evidence of His existence is a matter of faith in any theistic religion. It matters little whether the evidence comes from the bible or the belief in a resurrection or the angel Gabriel passing the word of God to the prophet. It WILL contradict science. If you say it is entirely metaphorical, then it is not faith.

But the thing is, God is far from the only thing in our experience that contradicts science. Me being me does not exist outside of my experience, and the me that I experience can certainly not exist as an agent outside of physical reality any more than God can exist as an agent outside of physical reality, at least according to science. The brain creates agents in our experience, not because it is trying to render an accurate representation of reality, but because it works to maintain homeostasis. If our brain created a completely accurate rendition of reality, we would be dead. There is no foul in experiencing the theories of the brain as transparently real. Life is not rational, and as the theist points out, the atheist rationalist has himself for a god.
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Var Enyo
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09:55 PM on 03/07/2011
Perhaps you shouldn't use politicians as an example. Made me shudder since the same ones so interested in this seem to be the same one's breaking them. lol
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backhandii
08:14 AM on 03/12/2011
where do you get your information? Completely incorrect. Show me your "six and ten thousand years ago". Remember that "worldwide" was the Med alone in OT times. Babel does not defy, it explains.

I appreciate your interest in the bible - but read it first. I think many people say things without an ounce of research.
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rationaljimmy
love-child of Tom Jefferson & Carl Sagan
11:37 AM on 02/11/2011
Well, this is all just so warm and fuzzy I can't stand it. I am so warm and fuzzy I am getting a rash. Hey, newsflash: there is already a 'space to explore the relationship between religion and science'. It is called Everyday Rational Life on Planet Earth. This is the space in which every human being constantly evaluates information to determine if it is fact or fiction. We all do this every minute of the day. All religionists have reserved a fact-free zone, though, for supernatural comforts, and fundamentalists have simply reserved a wider zone. Religious moderates can not tell fundamentalists that they don't 'understand' religion, and should accept a 'modern' interpretation because they have no rational basis for this admonition. Modern myths are no more factual, or believable, than ancient ones. If you are in a fact-free zone, then anybody's 'facts' are equally valid. Science gives the answers to anyone willing to stop looking for something a little more comforting.
And, evolution was under attack way before Scopes. Darwin himself was under attack, even within his own mind, and waited 20 years to publish his work because of the angst he knew it would cause.
09:19 PM on 02/13/2011
'Everyday Rational Life on Planet Earth' is entirely mythical. Life from inside the mechanism of the human animal is non-rational. There is no uncaused rational agency acting outside of the laws of science. There are no uncaused rational intentions that come from beyond the life intention inherent in the structure of the living organism. You are far more delusional than the theist, who at least acknowledges that life is about more than the experience of the self that the brain fabricates in our experience.
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rationaljimmy
love-child of Tom Jefferson & Carl Sagan
09:55 AM on 02/14/2011
Though my rational brain is not able to figure out exactly what you're saying, I assume you're saying something like: there are phenomena and happenings that don't yet make sense in a scientific analysis, therefore everything is non-rational and wiggly and rationality is pointless. After reading your post, I realize I agree, but not for rational reasons - it's just a gut feeling - and I've decided to abandon the fruitless pursuit of reason in favor of something a little less delusional. I'm choosing the year 780 A.D., and will evaluate everything as though I were citizen of the universe in that year. I have started by cutting down every tree I see, because they produce toxic vapors.
05:29 AM on 02/11/2011
How about we just appreciate science only on Darwin Day. Religion gets to have every other day of the year. I'm so tired of religion co-opting every single secular thing. Stop being so damn frightened that someone is going to open their eyes and start thinking for themselves.
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07:51 PM on 02/10/2011
Dear God,
Help us evolve away from religion.
Amen
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Erewhon7
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12:57 PM on 02/10/2011
I find some of the psychological and moral issues discussed ireligious texts to be very interesting and insightful.
But the views of founders of religions (and their followers) on the material world are hopelessly confused and amateurish version of whatever passed for cosmology and study of Nature at that time.

it is important for clerics and religious philosophers to leave the study of the Universe and the material world well alone and focus on moral and ethical education of the people willing to follow their particular ideology.
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Daleri Rileda
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03:07 PM on 02/10/2011
...and the universities should leave Bible teaching alone.

...but that is not going to happen.

How the physical universe relates to us and eternity is one study.

In the gatherings of our Maker, everyone is allowed to speak. The truth is what rules regardless of where it comes from.

That is the way that it should be in science too. No factual information should be off limits.

Our geology is evidence of a global flood because nothing else is able to carry and deposit that amount of sediment everywhere around the globe.

There is also never any function in the universe without having a maker of that function. Intelligence does not come from mud. Objects are unable to do anything without having orders or being ordered.

We need some sanity in science. Everything has a cause and every function has the intent of a maker.

Mutations are far too slow and are more detrimental than anything which is the reason mutations are corrected. The uniform variation of species is by design because variation has intent and maintains the order of the kind of species it is.
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Angel1999
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04:55 PM on 02/10/2011
Our geology has provided no evidence of a global flood because other things can carry and deposit the amount of sediment seen everywhere around the globe. The presence of many non-uniform layers that are not the same from location to location points to multiple events.

Function in the universe does not require a maker. No one suggests intelligence came from mud. It is not necessary for objects to be intentionally ordered in order for them to do something.

Everything has a cause, but not every function demonstrates intent.

Mutations are not too slow, although they are usually detrimental, but they are not always corrected. The variation of species is not uniform, demonstrating that there is no intent. We have observed speciation occurring, thus variation does not maintain the order of the kind of species something is.
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06:05 PM on 02/10/2011
Daleri, please, you need to learn science from a science book and not from the church pamphlets that they give you right before they pass the collection plate. The things you are writing about geology are simply so far into outer space it's difficult to follow the path to the evidence (or lack thereof).

But if you insist, lets start with these 'strata' and 'deposits' that your church pamphlets talk about. Please name a site and location where these unexplainable sediment cores were taken from. After you can name a specific drilling site, then we can go to the geology literature to find the explanation for those sediments, how and when they were deposited, etc.

I'm perfectly willing to help you follow this trail of evidence if you wish. Really, I am Daleri, I'll go to libraries and track it down for you. But I already know how this story will end. It will end with the church pamphlet that conveniently does not cite the location or core samples that they are talking about.
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Allen Reed Jensen
11:17 AM on 02/10/2011
If the great and revolutionary mind of Charles Darwin can leave room for God while still maintaining true to science than why can't I?
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TheWM
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11:55 AM on 02/10/2011
150 years' worth of intellectual progress in the meantime?
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Allen Reed Jensen
02:29 PM on 02/10/2011
Well take the big bang theory for example. The concept that there was nothing, explosion, then ever expanding universe was first theorized by a scientist who happened to be a priest. The man who actually coined the term "big bang" was an atheist who feared that such an idea would imply there was a God while a universe that always existed did not need one. An atheist is no smarted than a believer. Otherwise you must feel you are smarter than Albert Einstein.
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
11:57 AM on 02/10/2011
Of course, you can be religious and scientific at the same time. Many people still are. But, does it make sense?
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Allen Reed Jensen
02:21 PM on 02/10/2011
It can makes sense because both science and theology are ever changing. A majority of people have changed their religious beliefs to conform to science (as it is understood at the time) and some people (usually called fundamentalists) change their understanding of scientific truth to accommodate their theology.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
03:11 PM on 02/10/2011
You are right, it doesn't make sense but evolution is not science. Science is observable and what we observe is that every function has a maker.
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LafAtChristianFairyTales
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12:43 AM on 02/10/2011
If you accept the polls indicating that 45% of Americans believe in the Christian creation myth, and that 85% of Americans are Christians, that means that most christians believe in the myths. The christian creation myths are flat-out incompatible with not only evolution and biology, but they are incompatible with geology, paleontology, genetics, astronomy, medicine... pretty much everything.

Science and discovery have steadily whittled away at the territory of christianity so that now the only tiny scrap left is an extremely abstract, fuzzy, undefinable notion of a god-like energy that permeates the universe. It is this last tiny remnant that the author and other apologists for the churches cling to. These essays invariably claim that the fundamentalists are only a tiny minority. This is a lie. Again, the polls, most christians believe in the creation myths. And this is born out by their massive tax-free christian political machines that are infiltrating school boards and electing uneducated idealogues into office. The christians in Ohio and Florida put Bush and his neocons in power for eight years causing millions of ravaged lives from two unwinnable wars. And possibly even worse than that, they promote the notion that our dwindling resources, environmental degradation and population growth rates are non-issues because Jesus will come back to earth and save us.

Civilization will not survive it's collision course with limited resources unless we defeat christianity.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
01:26 AM on 02/10/2011
You cannot defeat the truth. It will continue to exist. The uniform consecutive layers of strata will continue to exist.

We still have resources. We need people to harvest them.

It is not Christians that are using up the resources anyway.

All we have to do is to eat more kinds of foods.

The myth is evolution because you cannot account for the amount of sediments that are in the strata.
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LafAtChristianFairyTales
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09:42 AM on 02/10/2011
The amount of sediments in the strata?! Let's talk about that! I live next to a major national park with 4,000 vertical feet of ocean-bottom sediments. You can see the ripple marks, mud cracks and salt crystal imprints from when it was a shallow salt-water sea. The only fossil life in these sediments are simple one-celled algae. Please explain to me how and when in your Genesis myth, there is time for 4,000 feet of ocean sediments to be deposited when there were no fish or shellfish or dinosaurs or anything in the ocean except algae? A 4-billion year old earth has time for that, but your Genesis myth does not.

Your posts are directly from church pamphlets that they give you right before they pass the collection plate. You need to take some college classes, or even high school classes about these subjects before you try to write about them.
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Angel1999
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03:50 PM on 02/10/2011
You cannot defeat the truth. It will continue to exist. The non-uniform layers continue to exist despite your assertion that they are uniform.

We still have resources. We have plenty of people to harvest them.

Christians are using as much resources as everyone else.

All we have to do is eat more kinds of food until those are gone as well.

The myth is Creationism because we *can* account for the amount of sediments that in the strata.
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alterego55
Flash your citations or leave!
05:25 AM on 02/10/2011
It is not just Christianity, but all Abrahamic religions that believe we must eventually have a catastrophic end of times war to fulfill their prophecies. By definition they are fatalists.
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Capitalism's End-Game: Stripped planet and no jobs
09:45 AM on 02/10/2011
Yep, exactly, it's all part of scaring their flocks into good behavior. It's much cheaper and easier for the ruling class to promote fairy tales than it is to build a police and judicial system with enough scope to control all of their followers.
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QuarkGluonSoup
12:28 PM on 02/10/2011
Actually it is a fairly common trait in other religions also. Many ancient religions had a similar end-times view, as do many modern ones like Hinduism and various strains of Budhism.
11:50 PM on 02/09/2011
Religion and science are mutually exclusive. Since religion is faith based and faith is belief without evidence, religion can be anything anybody wants it to be. Science is constrained by empirical evidence, natural laws and reason.
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Hillbilly49
Don't tell me you are a Christian; let me guess.
09:28 PM on 02/09/2011
"There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."

— George Washington
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ez duz it
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11:06 PM on 02/09/2011
Hi, Hillbilly49 --

This quote stands in such stark contrast to another excellent quote you cited a couple days ago in response to a different article.

"There is another form of temptation­, even more fraught with danger. This is the disease of curiosity. It is this which drives us to try and discover the secrets of nature, those secrets which are beyond our understand­ing, which can avail us nothing and which man should not wish to learn."

Attributed to St. Augustine.

Fanned and faved!

--ez
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Dan Jighter
05:52 PM on 02/09/2011
The question with religious people claiming to accept evolution is firstly do they understand what evolution is. Many people (including atheists) I find don't understand evolution. But evolution is science and they're a Democrat, therefore evolution is true.

The second more pressing question is how they reconcile the two. One approach is to say evolution is true but God interferes, say to give us key adaptations or intelligence and a soul. Well, there is no evidence of God interfering in evolution. Also, God interfering is still intelligent design. Another common approach is basically to opt for deism: God created the laws of nature and left. Well, that's not Christianity then, its deism.

The question is whether Christianity and evolution are truly compatible. On one hand it is wonderful to have all these intelligent religious people accept the science. On the other hand, I don't think Christianity is compatible with evolution, evolution is at best compatible with deism and not with a personal god.
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QuarkGluonSoup
06:09 PM on 02/09/2011
Why is there a conflict to reconcile? You presume that the creation story is there to tell us how the world came to be. This actually has something to do with your other point. In the ancient world, religion and everyday life were two sides of the same coin. There was no such thing as a strictly naturalistic or strictly theological explanation. Every explanation was equally naturalistic and theological. I think this points us in the direction we should go towards understanding God's actions, especially since this was the cognative enviornment that the authors of the the creation story wrote in, and the way the first generation who was told this story heard it. Everything that happens is God's work for the simple fact that it happened. It is fallacious to assume that some things could happen randomly without God while God could decide to intervene and knock things off their natural course. If anything, that is more the stuff of "god of the gaps". Evolution was God's work because it happened. The creation of this blog is God's work because it happened. Everything that happens is by definition his work, even though this is more a metaphysical "cause" and certainly not the naturalistic or physical cause.

As the ancient world didn't distinguish the physical from the metaphysical world, we should understand this when reading the story. The authors intended it to be at least as much a theological statement as anything else. Moses wasn't a history junkie.
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Dan Jighter
09:00 PM on 02/09/2011
My response essentially boils down to a simple question: what exactly do you mean by God?

Please define what you mean by God. Is God an intelligent being? What is his attributes and abilities? What is he role in the world? Is this a personal god or more like a deist god?

Secondly, I have to wonder: you are talking about what ancient people thought. Ancient people didn't even know that disease was caused by germs and viruses, they thought it had something to do with bad behavior. They didn't even know to wash their hands. Really, why are you even giving what they thought the time of day, as if to adopt their views as your own? Why even waste time on theology?

It is one thing to take up the Bible as literature, as an appreciation of good storytelling and the artistic achievements of your fellow humans. Its something entirely different to take an outdated book written by people who didn't understand how the world work and then try to interpret it as to make it part of your life.
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Oceras
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10:05 PM on 02/09/2011
I accept evolution. I am a scientist, specifically a geologist specializing in paleontology. Evolution isn't "true", it's a scientific fact.
I'm sorry your vision of what it means to be Christian and also believe in evolution is so narrow. A lot of people seem to be able to do it without your imprimatur.
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MagicManDoneIt
When facts are lacking. Just say...
01:09 AM on 02/10/2011
Scientific facts are as true as something can be. Putting true in quotes is a useless excercise. From an epistemological standpoint, we can't be absolutely certain of anything. However, a preponderance of evidence makes something as true as it can be. Your second sentence is ridiculous in this light. I think Dan Jighter's observation is spot on. The problem is that saying you believe in evolution and then trying to stick God in the process somewhere isn't an acceptance of evolution. I'm not saying that is the issue in your case, but I think it undercuts your last two sentences.
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Dan Jighter
01:25 AM on 02/10/2011
Yea, well, there are plenty of Christian scientists who ask for evidence in the lab but not in the church. Humans are great at cognitive dissonance. So evolution and Christianity existing simultaneously in some people's heads doesn't make them compatible. Also, there are plenty of people who don't know much about evolution or who claim do be Christian despite never having read the entire Bible. Sorry, you've gotta do better than pointing about people do both.

I'm guessing you are a Christian, otherwise you probably wouldn't point out "I accept evolution.". It wouldn't have been relevant. Okay then, how do you define God and what is God's role in the world?
05:36 PM on 02/09/2011
God must have a beetle fetish. I believe 350,000 plus different species. Maybe He should pay more attention to whats going on and less time playin wif his beetle kit.
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Semprini
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07:36 PM on 02/09/2011
Ha!!! Well done! FF'd.
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Sirius Knott
10:29 PM on 02/09/2011
The created kind sof Genesis are NOT analogous to species. Creationists believe that God created the original kinds, or baramins. A baramin is roughly but not always equivalent to the family taxon. Afterward they speciated into the myriad forms we see today. If you knew more about what it is you disagree with, you would not have made such a silly objection. Again, we affirm observable horizontal changes within created kinds [eg -speciation and natural selection]; it's unobservable vertical microbes-to-man evolution we deny.
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Angel1999
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11:04 PM on 02/09/2011
Ah, so there were only one or two kinds of beetle originally. Is this what you're suggesting?
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MagicManDoneIt
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01:12 AM on 02/10/2011
The inherent irony is nearly overwhelming in this comment. If you truly understood evolution you wouldn't have a problem with macroevolution.
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Cole 33
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05:25 PM on 02/09/2011
Organized religion as we know it is in it's death throws, it might be around for a lot longer, but science is making it hard and hard to belief in ancient mythology as fact.

as we see that many theists piggy back on science for relevance. Evolution is true! Yeah yeah oh I know, my god totally did that, it's not in the bible cause it was a secret.
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QuarkGluonSoup
06:10 PM on 02/09/2011
Thomas Jefferson thought the same thing.

Science has been around since the 7th century BC. Maybe if we just wait a little longer....
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Cole 33
Careful. We don't want to learn from this.
09:37 AM on 02/10/2011
Yes science has been around a long time, and was suppressed by religion at every turn, even burning people at the stake for such scientific beliefs, and even today is being fought by theists.

Only in the last 100 years has science been able to flourish, and look what that lead us to, people can literally get their hearts replaced, we can fly, go to the moon, and just recently a man in Berlin was cured of HIV
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
04:20 AM on 02/10/2011
Still trying to convince yourself, I see.

Evolution just has no connection to reality.

There is no reason to believe such a thing ever happened.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
02:54 PM on 02/10/2011
Sure there is. I have plenty of reasons to accept that evolution occurs and occurred. You have said absolutely nothing to convince me otherwise.