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Michael Zimmerman, Ph.D.

Michael Zimmerman, Ph.D.

Posted: July 28, 2010 11:19 AM

Unwittingly, I'm sure, Erik Verlinde may have provided a defining moment for the Discovery Institute and other groups that pretend their attacks on evolution are made in the name of science rather than as a mechanism to promote their narrow sectarian religious beliefs.

Verlinde is an internationally respected physicist who recently published a paper in which he asks the provocative question: does gravity exist? As Dennis Overbye explained it in the New York Times:

"For me gravity doesn't exist," said Dr. Verlinde, who was recently in the United States to explain himself. Not that he can't fall down, but Dr. Verlinde is among a number of physicists who say that science has been looking at gravity the wrong way and that there is something more basic, from which gravity "emerges," the way stock markets emerge from the collective behavior of individual investors or that elasticity emerges from the mechanics of atoms.

What does this have to do with the Discovery Institute's position on evolution?

The link is actually quite straightforward. Their rallying cry, taken up by the Texas State Board of Education; the Louisiana legislature and its governor, Bobby Jindal; and a number of other states, is that students are best served when they are taught the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories. They've taken to using this shibboleth as a means of hiding their real intent -- bringing intelligent design creationism into public school science classrooms and laboratories.

If I'm wrong about their intent, we'll soon be seeing the Discovery Institute urging school boards to completely rework their basic physics curricula. But I'm not holding my breath.

The thing is, unlike virtually all those who attack evolution, Verlinde is a part of the mainstream scientific community and his challenging ideas are being published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. More than that, Verlinde is not alone in questioning what we know about gravity. Indeed, the community of professional physicists has been unable to adequately explain the mechanism of gravity. Some, mostly string theorists, posit the existence of a massless particle they've dubbed the graviton and claim that it is responsible for mediating the force of gravity, a force that has unlimited range. Others simply scoff at the notion of such a particle.

And yet, to date, there haven't been protests about the way our children are being taught physics in general and about gravity in particular.

The mechanisms of evolution, on the other hand, have long been understood, observed and measured. The attacks on evolutionary theory are coming from outside the scientific community, by people who are not actively conducting research in the field, by people who invariably have a religious rather than a scientific agenda they're trying to advance.

Does this mean that we currently know all we will ever know about evolution? Of course not! The scientific literature is replete with fascinating papers advancing our understanding of the field, questioning which evolutionary mechanism takes precedence under which set of environmental conditions, and providing experimental support for various ideas.

Beyond that, because of the seemingly endless attacks on evolution from those who find this scientific concept offensive on religious grounds, scientific societies around the world have weighed in by issuing statements in support of evolution. Sixty-eight Academies of Science, for example, have jointly authored a Statement on the Teaching of Evolution that makes it absolutely clear that there isn't a scientific controversy surrounding evolution. These academies represent countries as diverse as the United States, Albania, Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe, to name just a few.

In the United States, the American Anthropological Association, the American Geological Institute, the American Institute for Biological Sciences, the Botanical Society of America and the Society for Neuroscience along with a host of other high level organizations have issued similar statements. The fact is, regardless of what the Discovery Institute and others of its ilk claim, there isn't any controversy within the scientific community about the centrality and importance of evolutionary theory.

But expert opinion has yet to cause those attacking evolution to pause. Instead, they claim scientists are biased and our students deserve better. I'm well aware that the latest questions about gravity aren't likely to change the nature of the attacks. I am hopeful, however, that they might provide an opportunity to help the general public recognize the constant demand for school boards to reshape their curricula to allow students to focus on the "strengths and weaknesses" of evolution for the sectarian ploy that it is.

If the Discovery Institute doesn't take up the scientific uncertainty of gravitational theory in the same way that it has approached evolution, then we can turn to one of the great philosophers of our time for guidance. As I Love Lucy's Desi Arnaz so presciently said, the Discovery Institute "has some 'splaining to do."

 
 
 

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Unwittingly, I'm sure, Erik Verlinde may have provided a defining moment for the Discovery Institute and other groups that pretend their attacks on evolution are made in the name of science rather tha...
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08:22 AM on 08/09/2010
A-theists/evolutionists love to proclaim that evolution is a fact beyond question or doubt. And, they claim there is proof to the high heavens. Is there? What is their "real" proof? Well, here it is in a nutshell.
"When scientists think about evolution in the first sense -- i.e., has it actually happened -- they STRONGLY AGREE that it has, and many PRONOUNCE evolution in this first sense to be a fact." Niles Eldredge a-theist. And, this is followed in the book with:
"Scientists admit when they don't have the faintest idea why or how something happened, [really?] and the ultimate origin of matter -- at least so far in the annals of science -- is a beautiful example."
So, they strongly agree, now that real proof for you, they don't have the faintest idea why or how things happen. Well, then, why are they trying to force us to believe what they themselves don't know? Science used to strongly agree that washing hands before surgery didn't matter either. So much for "science".
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Marty Erwin
02:24 AM on 08/05/2010
The trend of exploiting wedge issues as Phillip Johnson instituted in Discovery Institute strategy is somewhat independent of a need to adhere to logical processes in argumentation. Johnson crafted a rhetorical scheme for intelligent design argumentation that uses ethical and compassionate appeals to persuade audiences to consider ID as an alternative to evolutionary processes as the mechanism responsible for Earth's biodiversity. This causes problems of persuasion for scientific experts presenting evidence of evolution in a logical mode to the same audiences.

"Teach the controversy" campaigns of the recent past also use ethical and emotional appeals as schemes for persuading audiences that basic fairness demands equal time be given both concepts in public schools. Unfortunately many contemporary audiences appear unaware of the basic dishonesty being promoted as a fair solution. Evolution is likely the most widely tested concept of modern science with new results and evidence supporting evolutionary theory appearing in a wide array of peer-reviewed journals on a monthly basis. In all instances an interlinking web of tested evidence ranging across scientific disciplines supports the basic premises of evolution. Well-tested and documented evidence from the physical and life sciences stands available for review and evaluation by anyone capable of accessing the broad expanse of publications containing evidence supporting the theory of biological evolution. Johnson and the Discovery Institute appear to be in need of a review of their ethical posture before raising any question in the scientific arena.
08:41 AM on 08/09/2010
"As far as science is concerned -- as the preceding chapters make abundantly clear -- though the inevitable disagreements still pervade geology and biology, there are no credible scientific alternatives to an essentially Darwinian view of evolution through natural selection." Niles Eldredge a-theist

Here's the real problem. These disagreements among disciplines are played down by the evolutionists/a-theists because they have an agenda. What this says is that they are not willing to consider anything else as an alternative UNLESS it meets THEIR criteria for an alternative. Why? Because with any competition, evolution does not pass muster. And, any findings they make must be presented as they wish. Example? Design. No, science dare not admit to any design, they must relabel it to fit their false "theory", which they always explain is not understood by the public. i.e. I say theory, you say theory, but your theory isn't my theory, you just don't understand the word theory as we do.
OK, design. "As we saw, the very concept of evolution yields the prediction that a GRAND PATTERN of similarity, through a complex set of nested groups arranged in hierarchical fashion, MUST in the end embrace absolutely EVERY FORM of life known to exist -- or to have existed in the past. And we saw that this prediction is ABUNDANTLY verified by biological experience." I.e. Don't you dare call design design. No, you must call it a "grand pattern". Niles Eldredge. Science "so-called"?
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08:17 AM on 07/31/2010
"Their rallying cry ... is that students are best served when they are taught the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories."

In theory, a great idea; in practice totally absurd. The "strengths and weaknesses" of science is such an extremely philosophically deep subject that not many scientists themselves, let alone schoolteachers, and never mind highschool kids, could ever do justice to it, as I have learned over time from deep late-night discussions that have at times included all three. It's easy to see that an idea like that must come from a quarter that doesn't even really know what science is, let alone its "strengths and weaknesses."
05:17 AM on 07/31/2010
Evolution has a lot going for it as a theory. Could someone in the know please list the things that have already been scientifically proven about evolution to show how far we have got towards establishing that evolution is a scientific fact? If this could be done the fundamentalists would be silenced.
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08:08 AM on 07/31/2010
Wow; that would be a pretty long list for a comments column.
05:42 AM on 08/06/2010
Michelesda,O.K. not the whole list, but one or two important scientific facts would crack it. Personally I think things have evolved but I am looking for established scientific facts like "Which species evolved into a different species, and what was the process?" (Kiwipatrick)
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Marty Erwin
02:27 AM on 08/05/2010
There are over 100 years worth of scientific journal articles containing the current state of knowledge about biological evolution...a comments column isn't quite adequate for compiling that array as a display. ;)
03:00 AM on 07/30/2010
gravitons indeed ........... gravity does not exist , the earth sucks ...............No , really , think how a tornado sucks objects in as it spins near them and then simply understand that spinning objects create a gravity like pull . Very simple . There are no gravity waves , just a vortex gently pulling us towards the center of the spinning earth . There is no gravity in space is there ? Think about it . The spinning sun keeps us in place as well ................
10:32 AM on 07/30/2010
Huh?
12:16 AM on 07/31/2010
What keeps the rings in place around Saturn ?
10:59 AM on 07/30/2010
There is gravity in space.
12:13 AM on 07/31/2010
How so ?
02:33 AM on 07/30/2010
I think that a better issue would be geocentrism. The (first) creation story in Genesis make is clear that the Earth is the biggest, the main thing around, and that God put all those lights in the sky (after making the Earth and the plants) just for the convenience of humans. The idea that the Earth orbits the sun, which is merely one star among billions of stars in a galaxy that is merely one of billions of galaxies, is thoroughly un-Biblical. Nowhere in the Bible is there any hint that the Earth might be orbiting around the sum.

And there are believers who actually believe it

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism.html

and

http://www.fixedearth.com/

which bills itself as "The non-moving Earth & anti-evolution web page"

The Bible doesn't have anything to say about gravity, but it has plenty to say about a fixed Earth that doesn't travel around anything.

I think that the Discovery Institute and open creationists would be on firmer ground demanding that schools "teach the controversy" about geocentrism..
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DakkonA
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12:15 AM on 07/31/2010
I just took a look at that fixed earth site... man that's tortured reasoning. And he claims to have originally been an atheist.
03:38 PM on 07/31/2010
"The (first) creation story in Genesis make is clear that the Earth is the biggest, the main thing around, and that God put all those lights in the sky (after making the Earth and the plants) just for the convenience of humans. The idea that the Earth orbits the sun, which is merely one star among billions of stars in a galaxy that is merely one of billions of galaxies, is thoroughly un-Biblical. Nowhere in the Bible is there any hint that the Earth might be orbiting around the sum."

Or that it's not. The Bible doesn't say anything about how big the earth is compared to the universe, or where it's located. The ancient and medieval cosmology -- which was from Aristotle and Ptolemy but accepted by Christians -- held that the universe is larger than we can imagine and the earth should be considered infinitely small within it. Regarding geocentrism, Aristotelian-Ptolemaic cosmology did teach that the earth was at the center of the universe. It also taught that the center was the least prestigious place, since it was furthest removed from Aristotle's Prime Mover on the outside. This is why hell was at the center of the earth and Satan at the center of hell. So the earth was thought to be (almost) the least important place, and its inhabitants (almost) the least important entities.

http://agentintellect.blogspot.com/2009/04/size-doesnt-matter-part-2.html
http://agentintellect.blogspot.com/2009/08/size-doesnt-matter-part-3.html
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03:39 PM on 07/29/2010
British scientist J.B.S. Haldane once said that in order to disprove evolution there would need to be fossilized rabbits in the Precambrian. For that matter, any fossilized animal that exists in present form would suffice.

I am not sure how creationist can explain the lack of evidence of fossilized rodents, except to deny the existence of the Precambrian period. Which would be astonishing.
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bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
12:23 AM on 07/30/2010
Well, creationists do believe in miracles :-)
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CarlIII
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02:37 PM on 07/29/2010
When i was kid I got kicked out of Sunday school for being a "disruptive influence". I was 15 and convinced that the stuff the sunday school teacher was telling us was total BS. I read how Clarence Darrow questioned biblical accuracy, so i applied it to our class. I asked her how Joshua had stopped the sun in the sky. She replied that he had the help of God. Then I said .."But the sun is not moving" it's an illusion. The earth is turning. Therefore are you telling me that Joshua stopped the earth from rotating? ."Oh yes" she said .You can see how the other kids started agreeing with me that the lack of centifugal force would equal world wide destruction. The teacher flipped out and asked me to leave. Then later I had to have a meeting with the Baptist Minister and my very ticked off mother. I was not allowed to return. What i am saying is that science and fundamental religion are like oil and water. Teach real Science in schools. And the religous dogma in sunday school. Creationism is not scientific and never will be.
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Dan Jighter
07:42 PM on 07/29/2010
I would go further and say don't teach sunday school. We absolutely want kids to ask the questions you asked at age 15 and not be punished for their critical thinking as you apparently were. At the very least something is just not right with the teacher and minister's reaction.
10:35 AM on 07/30/2010
And the world is full of 'em and the resulting brainwashed masses.
billstewart
Not a micro-biologist
03:19 PM on 07/30/2010
Sunday school used to be the only way lots of kids got school - they were working the other 6 days of the week...
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01:52 PM on 07/29/2010
Could we say that something did reside in time before the Big Bang? Of course, something did exist before the BB in order for the BB to happen at all. How do we know God was not a scientist on the other side of the timeline and actually created the BB, setting into motion the chain of events which brought us to this very present day? And because of everything that happened before my life began, and everything I have ever been exposed to and subjected to and experiences I have had since my beginning has lead me to write this response right now, and likewise, everything that happened before your life began, along with everything you have ever been exposed to and subjected to and have experienced since your life began, has lead you to read this response at this very moment in time; could we say that you were destined to read this and we were destined to meet this way right from the very instant God set the Big Bang in motion?
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CarlIII
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02:55 PM on 07/29/2010
Lonngfello, put down the bong and back away. I like your premise but how do you know there is such a thing as destiny? preordainment is a very strange concept if you think it through. Chaos theories can also explain how we got here and are the opposite of destiny. How do I know that God was not a scientist who started the big bang? Obviously i don't have any way to know. However, how do I know that the big bang wasn't just a pulse? The universe expands to a point where it stops then it slowly contracts to a big ball. Then explodes again. forever, trillions of times. I'm not sure what god is or if he exists at all. But I am sure that God didn't make us in his image. We made God in our image.
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03:57 PM on 07/29/2010
Take a bong hit and ask yourself:

Did you choose the natural color of your hair or skin?
Did you choose your own innate intellect or was it bestowed or burdened upon you?
Did you choose the time and place in the universe in which you were conceived?
Did your mother have a choice in any of the three previous questions regarding herself?
Did any one of your ancestors have a choice in regards to themself and any of the first three questions?

I didn't think so, you were destined to answer no to those questions.
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03:23 PM on 07/29/2010
"How do we know God was not a scientist on the other side of the timeline and actually created the BB"

Why is it that the safest place for God to reside is within the confines of uncertainty?
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04:10 PM on 07/29/2010
You forgot to put the question mark behind the phrase you quoted. It should still have the question mark even though you didn't quote the entire sentence.

"How do we know God was not a scientist on the other side of the timeline and actually created the BB?"

That was originally posed as a question. I did not say God does reside there, it was merly a "what if" question. I suspect you were assuming I believe it is true.
03:05 AM on 07/30/2010
because uncertainty is where GOD exists ...... can you prove or disprove GODs existence ?
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oldfuzz
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11:57 AM on 07/29/2010
Does gravity exist? Does time exist? Does God exist? It depends on how one defines exist and the measures used to verify (or falsify) the premise. Taking the Discovery Institute to task is not a project that takes much effort or intelligence. As they saying goes, "Their mind is made up. Don't confuse them with facts."

Creationists are confused as to the difference between a scientific theory and a prejudice. They are also confused as to the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a rhetorical premise. That the earth was created in six twenty four days 6,000 years ago has been falsified scientifically. That species were created by God, individually, is another problem, but i can't imagine that any thinking theist would believe in a God that would create every species from scratch when the basic biological building blocks for the next species is right there in the creation lab.

There is still one problem within creationism. Why do young earth creationists get along with old earth creationists? Somebody's not being rigorous in their search for truth.
12:26 PM on 07/29/2010
They also don't seem to understand that a "theory" by definition is -the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another-. So while its technically true that the "theory of evolution is not A fact", what they keep missing is that instead its a collection of MULTIPLE facts.
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Richard Pearce
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11:27 PM on 07/29/2010
Technically, at this point it is a way of explaining a set of facts and predicting more facts that hadn't been discovered yet, that has withstood the test of the discovery of more and more facts, and is the simplest explanation of them all.
10:49 AM on 07/30/2010
Well it is a collection of multiple theories, not facts. Some of those theories may be facts, but we can't ever know for sure which ones (or all; or none).

Unfortunately nothing in science can prove any of these theories to be 'true' facts, and it doesn't claim to do so.

All science can do is to say, "If I run this experiment, with this set of base assumptions, I (and anyone who cares to replicate my experiment) always get this outcome. Therefore, to the best of my knowledge through this process, I think that such and so is true."

The world could still be only 4000 years old, as the nutcases claim, and,, therefore, what we see as reality could all be a joke perpetrated by God (an old white guy with a big beard and shepard's staff, for some dumb reason, sitting on his golden throne, suspended on a cloud top - don't ask how that cloud can support all that gold). Science can't disprove that. And doesn't really try.
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BOBinPS
Really?
06:12 PM on 07/29/2010
I doubt creationists are at all confused. To be confused, you have to question. Faith has nothing to do with truth.
10:57 AM on 07/30/2010
That is a very pertinent point.

A big part of the problem with the nutcases is that they don't want to question (or maybe, even, can't question) for fear of being confused.

Being confused implies that your particular model of reality isn't working, and your confusion is the symptom of your comprehension of this.

If your model of reality breaks down, then you are insane. So protecting your model of reality is the number one top priority of every human being. Some have a bigger problem than others in adapting their particular model of reality to changes implied by incoming data. So denial is a defense mechanism, ultimately, against insanity.

Unfortunately, after denial takes you down that particular path too far, your model of reality becomes so far separated from actual reality that you can no longer function. So, in either case you become insane.

Conclusion: If you can't adapt your model of reality to the implications of new data, you will become insane, i.e., you cannot function in the real world. And that applies to every one of us.
10:47 AM on 07/29/2010
I'm no expert on religious texts, the Bible in particular, but I don't recall any discussion about gravity per se in that book. So the DI wouldn't be interested in objecting to how gravity is taught because its irrelevant to the fundamentalist worldview.

The other reason they aren't interested is much more simplistic. If you've got anything in your hand right now, let go of it. (Please not if its a hot cup of joe or tea or your kid!) You've just experienced the action of gravity and proven its existence. Although there's plenty of evidence for evolution and some researchers have "seen" it happen, the vast majority of folks have no firsthand knowledge that its happening, and so its easy to say it doesn't exist.
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01:41 PM on 07/29/2010
I think the point was that we know less about gravity within it's hypothetical elementary particles than we do of evolution.You can't prove gravity by simply jumping up and down. You just experience it's effect on you. Why hasn't the Discovery Institute rallied behind attacking the physics behind gravity instead of provable theories in evolution?

Most likely because gravity doesn't necessarily interfere with intelligent design or creationism.
10:41 AM on 07/29/2010
I've used the gravity example in my teaching of biology for years. Here is a short version of how I put it. Two hundred years ago, the fact of evolution was generally accepted by scientists but the mechanism was not known. Darwin proposed a mechanism, and by the 20th century his mechanism was accepted (when combined with genetics). Gravity as a phenomenon is accepted, but the mechanism is not known. Someday we'll know how it works, just like we now know how evolution works.
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Richard Pearce
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11:30 PM on 07/29/2010
Fanned for simply being a good teacher. (wish I could do more for you)

Fav'd for writing a good post.
09:55 AM on 07/29/2010
It is always obvious that opposition to evolution is religious in nature. The Discovery Institute won't care at all about discussions on the nature of gravity. The Discovery Institute is a religious organization, not a scientific one, regardless of any claims to the contrary. I have loved science since I was a child. And, since I was a child, I have worked at integrating a real faith into a naturalistic/scientific world view. My issue is to understand clearly how to have faith along with a scientific world view. Since my field is religion, I look to science to teach me about science. My job is to understand the truths of the Christian faith in the light of what I learn about reality from science.
09:45 AM on 07/29/2010
I have worked in both fields - "religion" and "science". I am a trained Anthropologist well aquainted with evolutionary theory and quite convinced of its basic soundness. I am also an ordained minister in a denomination that values education in general and a progressive understanding of science in particular. There is no reason to pit science and religion against one another. Science deals in the mechanisms of physics, biology, etc. Religion is all about spirituality, relationships between God and humanity, humanity and humanity, etc. Please understand that there are many religious people (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists - I have friends from each) who do not agree with the attacks on evolution. Basically, we don't care what method God uses to accomplish God's purpose and we are quite concerned when any religion requires people to live in ignorance.
11:08 AM on 07/29/2010
The problem is obvious, though, isn't it? If a christian, for example, believes in the bible (including jesus' virgin birth, miracles, and rising from the dead) - and these are the FUNDAMENTAL teachings of christianity, this is contrary to science and what we all know is possible.

Furthermore, the salvation story is based on "original sin", which in turn is based on a literal interpretation of creation in genesis. Without that, there is no "original sin" and no need for jesus to "save" us from anything.

It is clear from evolution that we are part of the ecosystem - we are mammals, similar in DNA to many other species. We are not qualitatively different, we just have a more complex brain that allows us to be self-aware. The idea that we are the pinnacle of creation, made in the "image of god", or that the world was made for our benefit, is ridiculous when placed into a scientific worldview. In addition, if you accept evolution, the idea of a soul becomes problematic as well. At what point in our evolution were we worthy of such a thing, and why would god arbitarily choose this one species to have one (with the possibility of eternal life if we subscribe to the correct dogma)?
billstewart
Not a micro-biologist
03:23 PM on 07/30/2010
Maybe the salvation story is based on "original sin" if you're a Calvinist - but my sins aren't particularly original ...... If salvation's available, we've all got plenty of things to be saved from.
11:08 AM on 07/29/2010
cont'...

One more thing. Christianity, in particular, promotes the concept of "perfection" in order to get to heaven. Nothing in the natural world is perfect - everything is a balance of yin and yang, good & bad, etc. Perfection is an unnatural state, and the concept that we must be perfect to avoid eternal damnation is a very destructive view. We need to accept that we are part of the natural world, and embrace our imperfections while striving toward our potential. Perfectionism is a simplistic black & white concept.
04:42 PM on 07/29/2010
Athena123, you are assuming all Christians are fundamentalists, and they are not. For too long, we have let the fundamentalists do our talking for us. Those concepts you spoke of are only a problem if a simplistic, literalistic interpretation is followed. Many times, a metaphorical interpretation is necessary. Also, in reference to "perfection" I'd recommend that you check out process theology (there are other theologies that will work besides process, I just like this one). Just remember, some of us are NOT fundamentalists.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
08:37 AM on 07/29/2010
There is a government lab nearby spending a lot of money to detect gravity waves. I don't think they have been successful yet. Science does know more about the processes and mechanisms of evolution than about the fundamental nature of gravity. But the literalists in religion just can't let the evolution thing go because it confronts their favorite creation story. I find it amusing that of the four creation stories in the Bible, the two in Genesis are the least satisfying. I doubt if the thumpers are even aware of the other two that are very personal and poetic.
10:58 AM on 07/29/2010
whirlpool ~ I know the two creation stories in Genesis; what two other creation stories do you mean? Some of the accounts in Psalms? thanks, garymcc
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CMB1969
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11:50 AM on 07/29/2010
I'm thinking that one of them is in the Book of Job--"And the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said 'who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?'..."
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JohnFromCensornati
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
12:31 PM on 07/29/2010
I think he's referring to the NT.