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Michele Bachmann's Stance on Evolution Demolished by High School Student

Posted: 05/31/2011 5:32 pm

Michele Bachmann, as virtually everyone knows, is currently deciding whether she's going to make a run for the Tea Party, oops, I meant to say, Republican, nomination for president. What most don't know, though, is that her educational policies are being challenged by an amazing high school student from Baton Rouge, La. You should get to know this student, Zack Kopplin, and his efforts because he's likely to make a difference.

I've written about Zack previously because both his story and his commitment are incredibly impressive. As I first noted, he recently began an effort to repeal an atrocious stealth-creationism law in Louisiana. The law, the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008, encourages attacks on evolution to be taught in Louisiana's public schools under the banner of critical thinking. This is the only state law of its sort in the country and, as Zack so well points out, Louisiana students interested in science are being done a huge disservice by its very existence.

Zack hasn't been content to simply complain about an educationally irresponsible law, however. His organizational skills have been nothing short of phenomenal and he's gathered a collection of supporters second to none. His repeal effort has been endorsed by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the largest general science organization in the world with over 10 million members; the National Association of Biology Teachers, the country's main organization for biological educators; The Clergy Letter Project, an organization of more than 14,000 clergy and scientists recognizing that religion and science need not be in conflict; as well as a host of other scientific groups including the American Institute for Biological Sciences, The American Society for Cell Biology, the Society for the Study of Evolution, The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology and The American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. Additionally, the New Orleans City Council voted unanimously to support the repeal.

Zack's work didn't stop there. He wrote a petition that was adopted as Change.org's featured one of the week where it has amassed more than 65,000 supporters. And, as I reported in April, in his most extraordinary effort, he collected the endorsement of 43 individuals who won a Nobel Prize in science.

Which brings me back to Michele Bachmann. Not only is Bachmann a fan of creationism and its anti-intellectual offshoot, intelligent design, she's made some outlandish claims about the pseudoscientific subject. For example, she's asserted, "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact ... hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel prizes, believe in intelligent design."

Zack has now challenged Bachmann on her claims. Using a poker analogy and the huge number of scientists who have endorsed evolution, in general, and his repeal effort, in particular, Zack has written, "Congresswoman Bachmann, I see your 'hundreds' of scientists, and raise you millions of scientists."

Given the strength of the hand he has, he doesn't stop there.

For the next hand, I raise you 43 Nobel Laureate scientists. That's right: 43 Nobel Laureate scientists have endorsed our effort to repeal Louisiana's creationism law. ... Congresswoman Bachmann, you claim that Nobel Laureates support creationism. Show me your hand. If you want to be taken seriously by voters while you run for President, back up your claims with facts. Can you match 43 Nobel Laureates, or do you fold?

It would be difficult for someone with a sincere interest in science education not to take Zack Kopplin's challenge seriously. Having said that, I fully expect that Michele Bachmann will completely ignore Zack, the voice of the scientific community, the combined pleas of 43 Nobel scientists and thousands of religious leaders.

All of this reminds me of a Sunday afternoon a couple of years ago when I was in Lambeau Field with my two sons watching the Packers play the Bears. After a controversial and costly penalty was called against the Packers, the referee began to give a convoluted explanation of his ruling. The entire crowd of 73,000 plus was completely silent while the odd explanation was being delivered over the PA system. Then, all of a sudden, one fan with a booming voice that could be heard throughout the entire stadium shouted, "Stop making shit up!"

Representative Bachmann, I urge you to pay attention to that fan.

 
 
 

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Michele Bachmann, as virtually everyone knows, is currently deciding whether she's going to make a run for the Tea Party, oops, I meant to say, Republican, nomination for president. What most don't ...
Michele Bachmann, as virtually everyone knows, is currently deciding whether she's going to make a run for the Tea Party, oops, I meant to say, Republican, nomination for president. What most don't ...
 
 
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Michele Rossi
11:18 AM on 07/22/2011
Are you kidding me-- are we really going to get down to the fossil level here? I don't understand this whole fuss, really. To me, it's apples and oranges. Evolution, is a scientific belief system (yes, hang on-- so, it should be taught in science class. It does not require the presence of a deity to move things along. Creationism is clearly a religious belief. It absolutely requires a deity-- so, it makes sense that it would be taught in a religious studies class-- along with karma, reincarnation, etc. Really. Despite all our knowledge and "proof" any scientist worth his/her salt will tell you that "fact" is what we currently "believe" or accept until proven otherwise, and that is then an ongoing, forever process. Religion is a "done deal" system-- it's this way, period. In either case-- the student always has the choice to accept or reject. But I still maintain that the crux of the matter is that these two do not belong in the same course. If Zack could get some religious leaders to back up this separation-- I think we have a touchdown...
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George Genung
11:51 AM on 07/21/2011
Thank you Zack !! Let any Creationist or IDer present a peer reviewed article published in a major scientific journal that has a tested and verified hypothesis for either. As E O Wilson stated, it would be the stuff of instant Nobel Prizes, but to date, nothing. They are psuedo sciences like astrology and ghost hunting.
11:46 PM on 07/24/2011
Check the "Journal of Creation" or the "CRSQ" (Creation Research Society Quarterly Journal). No, you are not qualified to determine if these Journals are legitimate or not.
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George Genung
05:26 PM on 07/25/2011
I don't have to, they refute themselves. These "Journals" are from organizations that require their members to sign a pledge that states the believe the Bible is the word of god and that they take the bible as the literal truth. No real scientific journal would have its members sign a pledge with the conclusions for the research they are doing.
Neither the journals you have listed are scientific journals.
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pita143
Virtue mine honour
04:47 PM on 07/20/2011
You say you are a Christian and you do not believe in Evolution....well that is funny.

You are a Christian and you believe in the bible...right? Why yes I do. Than if you believe in the Bible you must believe in the process of evolution.

Noah and his family were on the ARK and everyone else on Earth died.....so how did we end up with Asians, Latino's Europeans, Africans etc, etc, etc......How? Man EVOLVED, making small changes over long periods of time to adapt to the environment that there were in. The very same way that Darwin saw small changes in Animals from one species on one island to changes within that very same species on another island. The animals, in this case finch's, made minute changes to adapt to the present environment.
05:39 PM on 07/17/2011
Help me out here. According to Jerry Coyne one of the facts of evolution is that all species have a common ancestor. What is the common ancestor of humans and whatever we are related to ?
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George Genung
11:06 AM on 07/21/2011
bigotboy, it is called studying. Here is a great place to start :
http://becominghuman.org/
12:33 AM on 07/22/2011
I checked out your site and it did not offer much help. They do not know what the common ancestor is.
11:44 PM on 06/27/2011
@TroyMcclure, you wrote :
"No one you cited is an actual historian - they're all apologists­... believers with an agenda. And worse, Greenleaf is a 19th century father of modern Christian apologetic­s. No historian worth his/her salt would attest to the historicit­y of the resurrecti­on - because there is no real historical evidence to support it."

Your bigoted assertion about historians shows that you are not really looking for evidence- you are looking for people to confirm your beliefs. Greenleaf and McDowell both set out to disprove the resurrection because they were tired of hearing about it. Their research led them to a different conclusion.
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George Genung
02:42 PM on 07/21/2011
LOL, someone presented verified evidence for the resurrection---stop the presses !!!!
05:16 PM on 06/27/2011
Just because you teach evolution in schools does not mean I will ever actually need to believe it.
hgus
It's not about the economy, stupid
11:37 PM on 06/27/2011
It doesn't matter if you believe evolution. Its true.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
10:02 PM on 07/07/2011
It also doesn't matter whether you believe the earth orbits the sun. The earth just goes on orbiting without your belief.

It also doesn't matter whether you believe in gravity. You're still going to get pulled towards the center of the Earth.

It also doesn't matter whether you think microbes cause disease. You'll still get sick despite your absence of belief.
06:46 PM on 06/23/2011
@troyMcclure,
The problem with the illustration used by Richard Dawkins is that all the evidence we have shows that rabbits always produce rabbits. He hopes that enough time will produce the result he wants. The same with your DNA example. You assume that our chromosome was the result of a fusion of two chimp chromosomes. You can try to reproduce that experiment and see if the result is what you expect. But more to the point, why would your DNA example not be a result of God using building blocks ? I maintain that all the evidence you produce can be explained by God intervening in our world.
04:48 PM on 06/27/2011
"Rabbits always produce rabbits"... Not if you go back far enough. Hares and rabbits are in the order Lagomorpha, in the class Mammalia. The earliest fossil lagomorphs occurred in Mongolia in the Paleocene period (65 MYA). The leporids (hares and rabbits) diverged from the other lagomorphs in the Oligocene period (37 MYA). Oh, then there's the newly discovered Nuralagus rex — Earth's biggest known rabbit species... a 26-lb rabbit 6 times bigger than the common European rabbit. I'd ask you to have a look at any of the early rabbit fossils, and then tell me if you think they're still just "rabbits" that could breed with any of our modern species today.

I don't assume anything relating to Chromosome 2 - it's just science, bigotboy. There's actual evidence to support it - you should look it up.

"I maintain that all the evidence you produce can be explained by God intervening in our world." Well, now that's a funny thing to say. You're admitting that there is no evidence that anyone could show you that would dissuade you from your presuppositions? Well, Ok - The problem is, saying "Well, that just proves that God done it!" isn't an explanation for anything at all... it's a stop sign to honest inquiry - a scientific and philosophical dead-end with no foundation to support it.
11:35 PM on 06/27/2011
Again, you are assuming the fossils are a direct line to current rabbits, and that they could not breed with modern rabbits. I don't know if they could or not, but neither do you. My point here is that you make assumptions and call it fact, when it is not fact.
The same applies to your chromosome 2. It sure appears they are related, but it is not known that the one came from the two. In 1960 an uninformed person could have looked at a Volkswagen Beetle and a Porsche and concluded that the Beetle found itself on the autobahn and evolved the necessary upgrades to perform at high speeds. You draw the same conclusions based upon your belief in origins. You don't know if the two combined by accident or were combined on purpose. There is currently in the works an article that will detail the more close examination of the DNA junction, and the authors are skeptical of the view you hold.
Just because I believe God did things does not rule out scientific inquiry at all. In fact, it is the basis for good science because I believe things have an order to them, and order can be deciphered.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
07:47 AM on 07/21/2011
And I maintain that everything you think God intervened in was actually Satan. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
12:34 PM on 06/21/2011
It is painfully obvious by this thread that the effort of xians to use creationism as a way to end run christian theology into public schools has not yet reached its end.
05:18 PM on 06/27/2011
...and it's not painfully obvious that non-Creationists are pushing their own agenda?
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craigimass
08:07 PM on 06/27/2011
Non-creationists? Do you mean scientists? Reality? Biologists?

This is the first time I've heard of "non-creationists".
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Laura Gares
08:08 AM on 07/08/2011
WTF is a "non-creationist"? Are you talking about the Nobel laureates cited above, or the millions of scientists around the world that are also cited in the original article?

You believe in creationism because that is what your religious leaders, who are reading from a book that is 2000+ years old, who's authors had no scientific background, who came up with a nice story about Adam & Eve & other parables because they couldn't explain scientifically why things are the way they are. Your take on the beginning of life on the planet is based on faith, not fact.
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wayne the pain
11:09 AM on 06/20/2011
It is hard for me to believe that several million of my countrymen take this woman seriously.
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Mishkins17
censoredbyhp
10:12 PM on 06/29/2011
It's much harder yet...for me to believe that millions of my countrymen took Obama seriously.
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wayne the pain
12:30 PM on 06/30/2011
In retrospect, I agree. He is the worst president in my sixty year memory. I would suspect for very different reasons than you!
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Jmaximus Spartacus
03:06 AM on 06/20/2011
Go Zack!
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hoobit
GOP/TBs: The USA is Not a game!
10:12 PM on 06/18/2011
What a marvelous thread!

Intelligent, thoughtful, respecful, discussion between civil adults -- what a treat!

Would that all discussions could follow suit...and that politicians would lead the way in being polite after having read this primer on *how* to participate in civil discourse.

Thanks, posters, for restoring my faith that, even though the issue(s) is contentious and the views on it (them) are equally so, there IS civility still to be had if we are adults about it.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
08:13 PM on 06/18/2011
There's only one problem. People like Bachman don't care about the facts. A political campaign is like a mating dance. Bachman is giving a call to others of her species. "Creationism! Creationism!" It isn't about the facts. It's about getting votes.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
12:35 PM on 06/21/2011
...and christianity into the public school system.
11:21 AM on 06/18/2011
If we evolved from monkeys then why aren't monkeys evolving into us this present day? I agree living beings adapt to their surroundings, but come on monkeys? Proof -near death experience-
11:54 AM on 06/18/2011
Nobody, other than religious fanatics, have argued that we come directly from monkeys. Scientific theories that have argued this point of view have been REJECTED! Brush up on you education, because clearly you have no idea what evolution by natural selection (as proposed by Charles Darwin) actually means. Let me give you a brief outline. First off, Darwin did not claim that we came from monkeys. Rather, he claimed that monkeys (all primates in fact) have a common ancestor. From this common ancestor, natural selection led to divergence.
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a space alien
09:10 PM on 06/18/2011
As nkb89 smartely put it, PLEASE BRUSH UP ON YOUR EDUCATION, victoriardel. I'm currently reading Darwin's "The Origin of Species". It really should be required reading in any and all high school but sadly is not.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
12:14 PM on 06/21/2011
The "Origin" is very difficult to read and beyond the comprehension of the vast majority of students today. For much better explanation and experience you should suggest "The Greatest Show On Earth", by Richard Dawkins.
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peter ricci
Peter Ricci is a peripheral visionary, journalist,
12:54 AM on 06/18/2011
What a guy, great to hear that people of faith and science can come together and accept Evolution for what it is - the most amazing awe inspiring Theory in Science.
06:53 AM on 06/17/2011
This kid is awesome. Good job. Why don't other legislators stand up to blatant ignorance? I commend Bachman for adopting all those kids, but I am offended that such an ignorant woman thinks she can educate them at home.

Will somebody give this kid a bunch of money to follow the Bachman campaign around? He could give his own presentations about the value of science and education in the parking lots of her venues. (I would but I'm broke.)
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PCFree
Computers & Cameras & Cars, Oh My!
08:12 PM on 07/07/2011
Bachman didn't adopt those kids. They were foster kids she opened her home up to. Some only stayed with hr a short time...a couple months...so do't think she had a house full of 23+ kids.