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Why StudentsFirst Supports Teachers' Right to Collective Bargaining

Posted: 03/29/2011 9:47 pm

In the wake of recent efforts to eliminate collective bargaining, StudentsFirst members have been asking for my views on this critical topic in public education today.

We agree that citizens can no longer avoid the budget crises happening across the country. Governors are having to make very tough decisions. We need to reduce bureaucracies and address bloated pensions that are crippling state budgets, and introduce new models for state employees to contribute to their benefits.

However, in no way does this mean we should take away teachers' rights to collectively bargain.

In my own experience with collective bargaining as chancellor in Washington, D.C., I definitely haven't agreed with everything union leaders believed. We fought tooth and nail on some issues as we strove for a new balance giving more weight to student achievement in our contracts. But in the end, we came to a groundbreaking agreement that finally allowed the district to recognize and reward great teachers and swiftly separate those who weren't up to the task.

When we lament unbalanced union contracts that do not serve children well, it is important to remember that these contracts were signed by two parties, making district leaders just as responsible for the lack of balance that exists today. And district leaders do need to take a hard line in union negotiations to bring a balance back in favor of student achievement. But that doesn't mean we should encourage getting rid of those negotiations altogether. Disagreement and debate can be a good thing and do not have to result in policies favoring adult interests over children's.

StudentsFirst absolutely supports the right of teachers to collectively bargain on many issues, such as base compensation and professional development. Some have asked if we say we are putting students first, why are we agreeing with unions on this point?

Here is why. Collective bargaining for wages and benefits is not the reason American schools fail. Even in "right to work" states that do not have collective bargaining, we still see many of the problems that hurt our schools: bureaucratic inertia, red tape limits on parent choice, seniority-based layoffs, and fiscal irresponsibility. Overseas, many countries see teachers unions drive high standards and expectations for all teachers.

The problem is not collective bargaining. The problems arise when unions use collective bargaining to push for policies that devalue great teachers, such as insisting that all teachers should be treated as interchangeable in terms of performance and pay.

Unions should have every right to continue representing their members, speaking up for teachers as they negotiate salaries, professional development and benefits. But they should not actually be co-managing school systems, and many decisions do not belong on the bargaining table. For example, it would present a huge conflict of interest for unions to be negotiating performance evaluations when unions have to represent effective and ineffective teachers alike. Districts should be able to create evaluations, reward teachers' success, empower parents with more choices, and run the school system while held to high standards for accountability and success.

We founded StudentsFirst to create a balance with other special interests, not to snuff out other voices. To put students first on this issue, we need to be smart and focus on the issues that matter in advancing student achievement. We absolutely can do that with collective bargaining in place.

 

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Tresco
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09:37 AM on 04/07/2011
If the unions took half the money that goes automatically to Democratic candidates and spent it on member pension plans or health benefits teachers would be much better off. The pols oon't do anything for teachers anyway. They don't have to as long as they have their cozy relationships with the union leadership. The unions don't do much for teachers either. They are too busy rasing and spending money for their political pals. They also go to confrences and conventions a great deal.
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10:47 PM on 04/04/2011
Gentrification! The easiest way to get the inner city back is to create havoc in the schools. Reduce educational funding, increase the pay for administrators and superintendents, reduce pay for teachers, increase class sizes to 35-40 students, bust unions, give away schools to private corp with public funds that cherry pick which students they accept, and close public schools. By busting unions teachers can be further abused by bought and paid for school boards and administrators that allow out of control student behaviors in the schools, fill schools with temporary and unqualified teachers, allow charter schools (with no oversight and worse test scores) to be run by private corp with public funds, and just simply create even more chaos and dysfunction in the inner city school system. Never discussing the very real problems of poverty and constantly blaming teachers (and their unions) is the game being played. Add to this the reduction of the police force so that drugs and crime run rampant is all part of a master plan. This will cause many people of color to move out of the city. With gasoline at $4.00 a gallon, the middle class need and want to move back into the city. People this is what is really going on.......Gentrification!
08:26 PM on 04/04/2011
Today, it seems that supporting collective bargaining is prudent, which is wrong. There is no problem in education reform that cannot be solved through the repeal of collective bargaining; primarily because of the out-sized union financial resources it generates. I agree with most of the StudentsFirst agenda but definitely not this one. Hopefully, Rhee recants it.
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10:13 AM on 04/04/2011
I truly don't understand why "professionals" support unionization. Collective barganing results in paying the best teacher at the rate of the worst teacher. Why wouldn't "professionals" be interested in providing quality education and being paid appropriately for it?
My experience with education unions is that they function in a blue collar fashion. When performing a job dealing with standard tasks with little differentation between skill level a union is proper to protect an indiviual from being replaced simply to save money. Teaching does not fall in that category. Modeling processes in a standard fashion works against quality teachers and the overall education system as it "rewards" poor teachers and keeps them in the system even though they perform at a low level.
We routinely hear about the poor pay and lack of respect teachers experience. It's time to take a look internally and see how much teachers and their unions own in creating that circumstance. Respect is earned, not bargained for, and having teaching salaries driven by the performance level of the worst teacher in a given system will continually hamper the abililty to pay what an educator is worth.
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09:59 PM on 04/04/2011
Because some people have lumped teaching in with learning is the reason teachers need unions. It is impossible to make teachers responsible for student learning. This is a free country........you cannot force anyone to learn. As soon as you make the police responsible for crime then you can make teachers responsible for low test scores. The other issue is test scores do not really tell you everything a child knows. Some children in math do not test well due to reading skills. Education is a collaborative effort. The teacher is responsible for 1/3, the parent is respnsible for 1/3, and the student is responsible for the other 1/3. If teachers could cut open a child's head and pour the information in, then it would make sense to make the teacher completely responsible for societies ills that effect a child's education: social promotion, 35 to a class, behavior problem students that keep others from learning, overwhelmed and uninvolved parents (some of which don't speak English, with English Only curriculum), crime / violence in the home and community, pooly fed, lack of health care (illnesses prevent students from attending class), poor attendance, and many other issues related to poverty
11:19 AM on 04/05/2011
I do hold police responsible for keeping us safe from crime, just as I hold teachers responsible for creating a classroom that motivates students to learn and successful collaboration with staff, administration and parents. Unions are necessary to protect teachers from arbitrary firing but failure to teach is not excused by the difficult environment one teaches in- if the children are not learning a new teacher who gets results is called for.
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MardiGrasGirl
At 65, you'd better not give me a d*mn voucher!
02:54 AM on 04/02/2011
Ms. Rhee, the problem I have is that you claim to agree with the premise that teachers should have the ability to collectively bargain, yet you speak unfavorably about unions at conferences and seminars around the country. I take issue with some of your statements above.

First, some teacher's contracts are filled with articles supporting work rules for staffs, participation in partnerships that promote events for employees, parents, and students, requests for state and federal funds to be spent directly in the classroom, and teacher input and placement on committees implementing mandatory policy. Teachers have every right to participate in crafting credible evaluations; we want higher expectations for our profession. I challenge you to review different contracts from around the country and focus on the good they provide. It is insulting to the profession to put the slant that unions only care about protecting ineffective teachers and not about student achievement.

Secondly, unions don't want to "devalue" great teachers. We want our profession revered for the job it does- educating kids. So when you and others use "negative" language toward unions, "you" devalue great teachers who are union members.

Lastly, when you mentioned "bloated pensions...", many unions, on behalf of their members, accepted better benefits on the "backend" of teacher's careers in the form of pensions because of low salaries.

Education will not change until teachers are truly allowed to have a voice in the reform of their profession.
11:34 AM on 04/05/2011
Education is changing right now in ways no teacher or other friend of education finds welcome. I want teachers to "participate in crafting credible evaluations". Some teachers value the things you claim to value in your statement. Other teachers buy into the game of "negotiate everything like an industrial union" and "we don't collaborate with our enemies". By ignoring that reality, you condone stonewalling that prevents collaboration and teacher development- the two real reforms that people like Randi Weingarten champion. So if education changes to the arbitrary test, to merit pay, and to non-union - the fad now in vogue, remember YOU had a chance to address this and require your unions to be professional in every sense of the word.
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MardiGrasGirl
At 65, you'd better not give me a d*mn voucher!
08:33 PM on 04/05/2011
I speak with teachers all the time about the changes and you are right- they don't like it. They hate the business model being used in educating students. You say that I ignore reality because of my feelings on the matter. If you go into one school with 50 employees, you will come out with 50 different philosophies on what will make education better. Some will say lets be a part of what is going on and others do hate the idea of working with this new reform. The "tone" out there is that unions are the problem and that they are not trying to contribute to reform or student achievement. You and I know that this is a lie. If you look at what is done in Finland, teachers are leaders in developing their profession. The sad part is that these reformers are not telling the truth about the wonderful development that the AFT offers. Their educational issues department is "world class" and steeped in more than 40 years of development and research. I'm not ignoring any reality by any means. I just want to show the reformers that you don't have anything new to show me. Here in New Orleans, veteran teachers are being replaced with younger inexperienced teachers who receive the message that the test means more than anything, merit pay is good, and the union is the problem. I fight every day and do my part to speak to teachers about keeping our "voice" in education.
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MardiGrasGirl
At 65, you'd better not give me a d*mn voucher!
11:48 PM on 04/01/2011
Ms. Rhee, the problem I have with your piece is that you agree with the premise that teachers should have the abilitiy to collectively bargain, yet you speak unfavorably about unions at conferences and seminars around the country. I take issue with a few of the statements you have written here.

First, some teacher's contracts are filled with articles supporting work rules for staffs, creation of partnerships for events to benefit school employees/parents/students, requests for state and federal funds to be spent directly in the classroom, and teacher input on committees for implementation of mandatory policies. All of these things and more affect student achievement and teachers need a "front row seat". When you say that teachers shouldn't be included in the policy creation or process for their evaluations, you are wrong; teachers want high expectations. I challenge you to read a few teacher's contracts from around the country to see all the good. It is an INSULT to the profession to put the slant that union teachers only care to protect ineffective teachers and not care about student achievement.

Secondly, unions don't want to "devalue" great teachers. We want our profession revered for the job it does- educating kids. When you use "negative" language towards unions, "you" devalue great teachers who are union members.

Lastly, when you mentioned "bloated pensions...", many unions accepted better benefits for teachers on the "backend" of their careers in the form of pensions because of the poor salaries they receive now.
05:44 PM on 04/01/2011
The alliance between the Politicians and Teachers Union ran you out of town for succeeding Michelle. They are only interested in shaking down the taxpayers, not in education.

As long as Public Workers Unions can buy influence as the funding arm of the democratic Party,we have no choice but to end Collective bargaining.
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DanInLA
11:47 AM on 05/10/2011
In what respect did she succeed? Just because she says she succeeded doesn't make it so.
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Sam Salinitis
read 1984.
11:50 AM on 04/01/2011
you suck. walk the streets of DC and fix the problem- clean the ghetto up and hold parents accountable for their actions, but globalist pigs that you support would rather perpetuate the social engineering so that schools fail. while your consultant buddies earn millions in tax paid contracts to "solve" the problem with ghetto schools.
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perlin
09:32 PM on 03/31/2011
Who will investigate " irregularities" in test scores, under Rhee ? Will we see the results on the front page of "Newsweek" , PBS, CNN ?
I have no doubt that people who brought Rhee to the power knew well there was no improvement in students' educational outcomes under her management of DC schools.
The poor , urban school district remains the same before and after Rhee. However scape goating teachers and their unions served well the political agenda of privatizing public education for corporate profits.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
02:40 PM on 03/31/2011
"We agree that citizens can no longer avoid the budget crises happening across the country. Governors are having to make very tough decisions."

We can't seem to avoid the educational consequences of politicians turning over more and more public money to corporate interests. The tough decisions Governors are having is how much money can they give to corporations and get the people of their states to sacrifice for it.
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Victor3
01:08 AM on 03/31/2011
Rhee spins out a rope a dope. She must be feeling some big time pressure from the publication of her numerous flaws. Take out her support for collective bargaining and everything else she says is the SOS,DD. What's interesting is that her low information true believers are aghast at what they mistakenly see as her unconditional support for unions. I'm sure they are also horrified about her acknowledgment of the high value created by unions in other countries whose education systems are the best of the best. Rhee's cheerleaders know better. All that's needed is to wave a magic wand, fire all those bad teachers and eliminate their unions, teach to the test and all our problems will be solved; we'll have great schools virtually over night.
08:49 PM on 03/30/2011
"The problems arise when unions use collective bargaining to push for policies that devalue great teachers, such as insisting that all teachers should be treated as interchangeable in terms of performance and pay."

That's ironic coming from someone who came from and pushes for a program that puts anyone with a college degree in a classroom with as little as five weeks of training. The real problem is with "performance" because it is measured by faulty standardized tests that reveal more about a students zip code than their teacher's ability. Corporate school reform supporters like Michelle Rhee have turned standardized tests from a useful barometer that could help identify student and school needs into a mechanism for union busting and privatization.
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Leonie Haimson
08:03 PM on 03/30/2011
so you want to prevent teachers from bargaining for class size limits, that benefit kids? I thought you argued that the schools were being run for the benefit of adults not children? Sounds like you want to ensure that this is more likely to happen.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
10:42 AM on 03/31/2011
If class size limits are removed, which is the new corporate school mantra, then profits will increase. The corporate school folks are currently restrained by state laws on class sizes.
02:13 PM on 03/31/2011
It is not about class size ... it is about effective teachers in the classrooms. Giving an ineffective teacher 19 students only means she will have less kids to hurt. Low class size does not translate to effective teaching. Lowering class size has been a myth perpetuated by unions to save and/or hire more teachers.
02:22 PM on 03/31/2011
19 students is no big deal; and I would imagine (based on my 17 years in the profession) that you would have a hard time finding examples of a union pushing for 19 in a classroom.

25 is great; most of the classes have been around that.

When you get much over 30, it does make it tough to meet the needs of every child. Say you have 60 minutes for a math lesson... and, well... do the math. 2 minutes per child doesn't add up to a lot of differentiated instruction. Classes of 40 are not going to be uncommon in the next few years, and trust me... there will be plenty of children left behind. Plenty.

I agree that low class size does not translate to effective teaching.

I contend that large class size can make the job of effective teaching more than challenging.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
02:36 PM on 03/31/2011
Your post is a joke. It demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge regarding teaching. Spend a day in a class of 28 7th graders. Learn something.

The fight to increase class size is a way to up the profits for corporate for profit charter schools. More students, fewer teacher, higher profit.
07:14 PM on 03/30/2011
"The problems arise when unions use collective bargaining to push for policies that devalue great teachers, such as insisting that all teachers should be treated as interchangeable in terms of performance"

How about the problem that arose when we started treating STUDENTS as interchangeable in terms of performance? Children come from a variety of backgrounds, with varying interests and situations. As teachers, we're required to "differentiate" instruction to reach individual needs, levels, and interests of our students. However, on the "big" day, students sit down and take the same test. Every student has myriad different influences that will affect his or her perfomance, but we expect them to all meet our "standards."

Students are not widgets any more than teachers are. If we're protesting a system that "protects bad teachers," then why are we protecting a very similar system for students, one that essentially requires teachers to bring instruction down rather than up? Instead of trying to force all students into the same mold, why aren't we providing them with authentic support in areas where they're struggling, and choices for their futures? No matter what politicians believe, not every student is going to college. Not every student wants to go to college or is cut out to go to college. We have as many different types of student careers in the world: why do we continue to buy into the "one size fits all" education pholisophy instead of building a legitimately skilled, diverse workforce for our future?
08:46 PM on 03/30/2011
You hit on something which I think is at the heart of the whole problem. The "one size fits all" thinking is not only wrong but there is not a solution in the world that will fix it for the reasons you mentioned.

You can give students all the knowledge in the world but if they do not do their part they are not going to be successful. Nothing a teacher does is going to make a difference if the student doesn't do their part.

A teacher friend of mine has students who never do homework, are always in trouble, skip school constantly and are habitually absent. Tell me how she is responsible for their learning? There are virtually zero consequences for students who fail to do their part. Everything is put squarely on the teachers shoulders.

The problem with education in this country is absolutely NOT the teachers fault. It is the stunning level of apathy on the part of students who have no consequences to their level of apathy because the system forces the teachers and schools to work extra hard and jump through hoops to MAKE the students successful while the student barely has to lift a finger or strain a brain cell.
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nsmavrik
Intelligence over Obedience
05:13 PM on 03/31/2011
Fanned. Bravo Laura. Bravo.
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05:45 PM on 03/30/2011
freedom of speech....pure and simple....