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'No Kill' or Torture? Nathan Winograd and His Animal Sheltering Movement

Posted: 10/15/10 12:24 AM ET

Nathan Winograd is an "activist" that purports to stand up for the most helpless of society. By declaring war against animal shelters that euthanize strays, abandoned pets and feral cats, he's made himself the de-facto face of the "No Kill" movement. Winograd's polemic, Redemption, the Myth of Overpopulation and the No-Kill Revolution in America is a strident attack on virtually every animal shelter in America, save the two or three that have adopted his shelter model. In a nutshell, his argument is that shelters should follow a three-step plan to get to zero kill: "1) Stop the killing. 2) Stop the killing. 3) Stop the killing." According to Winograd, any shelter that, for any reason, comes up short of his model may as well be considered an animal death camp.

The "No-Kill" animal shelter movement has certainly chosen a sympathetic name for itself. After all, who wants more kills?

Unfortunately, sometimes life is a bit more complicated than the latest catchy slogan or absurdly simple three-step plan. For example, if zero tolerance for killing means that we must warehouse animals in overcrowded, disease and pest-ridden cages, and there are not enough staff of volunteers to provide these animals with adequate exercise, aren't we actually torturing these animals for the sake of our own vanity? What if this warehousing resulted in fewer animals being placed in homes because people stopped visiting the shelters, or came to believe that shelter animals were unhealthy or otherwise inferior?

The flat truth is that Winograd's "No-Kill" model is limited. It can work when shelters serving smaller towns decide to limit intake (by turning away older, unsocialized or less attractive animals). It is simply unworkable in larger municipalities.

Sheltering policy is difficult; it's a field in which the utopian ideal is seldom achievable. Instead, the animal lovers that run shelters make must make difficult choices and strive for best outcomes after considering the totality of the circumstances. The decision to euthanize is always dispiriting and sometimes heart-wrenching. But if it is the merciful decision, it may be the correct choice. Across America, there are thousands of shelters. Each respective community served is unique and comes with its own strengths and weaknesses. "No kill" is probably suitable and the ethically sound choice for some shelters, but for many more, a "no kill" policy condemns animals to a miserable existence. In those communities, mercy must prevail.

Nathan Winograd does not agree; he doesn't see nuance. He has run a scorched-earth campaign against the thousands of animal lovers that disagree with his black-and-white vision of sheltering policy. The question is, "Why?"

Does it have anything to do with his ties to the puppy mill industry? To Rick Berman, the anti-everything decent public-relations lawyer that is famous for his astro-turf campaigns on behalf of large moneyed interests (like puppy breeders)? In the coming weeks and months, a new blog I've launched, 4k2.org, will explore the answers to these questions while arguing against Winograd's ridiculously simple sheltering notions. "No Kill" sounds wonderful, but there are good reasons many of the most respected animal welfare organizations oppose Winograd's brand of no-kill.

 

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02:26 AM on 11/28/2010
Amazing arguement. The main problem, which will probably never be fixed, is that humans have never taken responsibility for their world. We are still a primitive species, ego-centric from thousands of years of inbreeding, carrying antediluvian messages deep in our primitive brain-stem. It is really amazing that we still kill other species with impunity, as well as ourselves. Early man had to be geared to protect self and tribe, just to survive. We can't shake that yet, if ever. We mangle our earth with bullets and sewage. Trying to do something intelligent and far reaching as managing other species for the good of the earth is way beyond us. We can't even cure AIDS or cancer, let alone organize an effort to not kill "excess" beings, which have every right to live.
01:18 PM on 10/29/2010
HH: The evidence that mandatory S/N doesn't work is well documented in "Redemption" and "Irreconciliable Differences". But of course you don't care about the facts - only your own opinions. I urge everyone else to read the books and draw your own conclusions.
12:11 AM on 10/30/2010
All you have there is the propaganda of Winograd and you accuse others of not caring about the facts? Did you even bother to check out what is in his books or did you just take it as the gospel of your Messiah? You need to check it out yourself and see just how much he lies about MSN. Here you are urging people to read his books instead of urging people to check out what he has to say. I did and found out that he distorted the truths.
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06:20 PM on 10/24/2010
In reality, there is no such thing as a no kill shelters. I wish there was. Private shelters can pick and choose who they want to bring in, in other words the adoptable animals. The taxpayer funded shelters have to take everyone. You are going to have aggressive and dogs who are in such poor health they will need to be euthanized. I have been in rescue for 15 years. Numbers killed have gone down, but we seem to be stuck at about 6 million euthanized a year, but who knows the real numbers?? I am so tired of seeing death because the U.S. population continues to breed animals -- puppymillers, the Amish, flea markets, internet sales, pet shops, and dog auctions. Where are the majority of the U.S. population living under rocks?? What does it take to get people to stop breeding. I live in a rural area. People continue to bring in litter after litter of puppies. S/N is not much of a concern for them. More needs to be done in the poor urban and rural areas. Education needs to be a top priority along with "mobile" spay/neuter clinics. You need to bring these units into the neighborhoods, otherwise people are not going to make an effort to s/n their pets. That is the reality of it whether you agree or disagree with this fact. Animals being bred now are just being bred to be euthanized.
06:42 PM on 10/24/2010
BCMom, I have to agree that animals are being bred now to just be euthanized. When you tell the public that there is no problem, it is not their fault that animals are dying in the shelters, what happens? They don't care to get them spay/neutered, let's have a litter and show our children the miracle of birth. Then when it comes time, take them to a no kill shelter and tell the kids that it will be a happy ending. You might want to know that Winograd is against humane education. He says that the children aren't the problem, the adults are and that education is worthless when it comes to address the future pet owners, it is the adults now that need education as if they give a damn, education or not. Again Winograd is throwing away the future when he cuts funding for humane education that takes place in schools. Nothing about this man's program is geared toward the future and how many of those pets can be saved.
02:43 PM on 10/23/2010
HH: There you go again. Of course spay/neuter works. That's why it is one of the key components of No Kill. As you noted, the number of animals killed in shelters today is far less than were killed 30 or 40 years ago. But not because of laws requiring people to fix their pets. Rather, it is because people who could afford to get their pet fixed did so. More than 80 percent of middle class families get their pets fixed. But note that the number of animals that are killed in shelters has been stuck at between 4 and 5 million a year for more than a decade. Why? Because most poor people are still not getting their pet fixed - because they can't afford it. Laws will not help this situation. Making S/N affordable will.
04:40 PM on 10/23/2010
My experience with poor people is quite simple really, they shouldn't have a pet they can't afford. Pets are a privilege, not a right.I have seen absolutey no data to support 80% of the middle class alter their animal. Shall we list the variables? What is middle class, where was the data drawn from ? See how simple it is; even a freshman in high school could figure the ways to come up with those numbers. The lower income people are less apt to spay because of cultural attitudes, they consider it " abnormal " Your idea of a government bailout and paying for everyones animal to be alters smacks of "Big Brother" to me. People should obey the law or lose the pet, one considers these things before they bring the pet home.. The law is all that will work, but don't subsidize the non- profit industry by paying for it like socialism.
08:17 PM on 10/25/2010
Greta: I said nothing about government bailouts. The low-cost S/N clinics in my area are private shelters. And your Big Brother analogy is actually more appropriate for mandatory S/N. I think we all agree that Animal control should step in when there is abuse. But giving Animal Control more power to go into people's homes and seize their pets, based on your opinions about what other people should or shouldn't have, is orwellian. And passing a law actually will not work. As you noted, some people will not S/N for personal reasons. Others would either be unaware of the law or would simply ignore it. Enforcement would be complaint-based and very spotty. (Of course, if Animal Control searched every single home, then that would ensure compliance... but there's Big Brother again.) In the absence of adoption programs, the animals that were impounded would likely be killed. And the unaltered animals in the community would continue to breed. Which is exactly what is happening now in communities that have passed mandatory S/N laws.
09:18 PM on 10/23/2010
Since when is it a "key" component of "No Kill"? Not when Winograd stands with the likes of Bill Hemby/PetPac against MSN. And when you start citing stats, be sure and include a link. And what is holding us up now? As Animal People News stated in their article, a decade of focusing on adoptions has set us back into the dark ages. Focusing on adoptions take the emphasis off spay/neuter and that is what Winograd's program does. There are programs galore to help low income people alter their pets, it is not an excuse that they can't afford it. I can tell you places that alter cats for less than $30. Focusing on adoptions and taking funds away from spay/neuter is the problem and that is what Winograd's program does.
09:49 PM on 10/23/2010
Los Angelous is already overcrowded according to the LA blogger, shall we wish them luck on boosting adoptions into the same community that is causing the problem?
07:51 PM on 10/25/2010
HH: First, my source of information was Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People. I've heard the 80 percent number several times, but the first time was from the No More Homeless Pets conference in Atlanta in 2002. At that conference, Merritt said, "At this point, 85 percent of owned cats are already fixed, around two thirds of the dogs are already fixed..." (I focused on the cat figure only, since I am a cat person - my apologies.) Interestingly, Julie Castle stated at that conference that the vast majority of intact animals were coming from low-income communities. Second, it is a fact that spay/neuter comprises two of the ten programs of No Kill. I don't agree that there are "programs galore" for low income people. To be effective, there has to be sufficient volume and accessibility of services. And the shelter should be proactive in educating people that the resources exist.
08:24 PM on 10/22/2010
A response to the list of Open Admission No Kill Shelters.
http://gretthevetretired.blogspot.com/
05:57 PM on 10/22/2010
Your article states that the No Kill Equation only works in shelters serving smaller towns that limit intake. Yet it’s currently working in San Francisco, Charlottesville, Austin, Reno, and dozens of other cities with very little in common geographically or demographically, in many open admission shelters.

The No Kill Equation is succeeding in these cities by implementing programs that limit the number of animals coming in, through Animal Control reform, TNR, effective pet retention programs that help people keep their animals, and more, AND by increasing the number of animals leaving shelters (alive) through successful foster programs, innovative marketing and promotions, comprehensive adoption programs, and many more.

There are 3 to 4 million animals killed in shelters every year, but over 20 million people acquiring animals every year. There ARE enough homes for them all, you just have to go out and find them, instead of just opening the door the shelter and hoping the people come. It takes more than what many currently working under the traditional shelter paradigm are willing to do.

This idea that NO Kill means hoarding animals is completely false, and is used to simply muddy the waters of the argument. I will, however, look into this accusation that Nathan Winograd has ties to the puppy mill industry. Thanks for sharing.
06:43 PM on 10/24/2010
You really should click on the link in the above post. The shelter intake policy is right there, no of the listed cities here are succeses. Have you no shame, you probably sleep at night with the lights on.
05:35 PM on 10/22/2010
I would recomend that interested parties go online and look up Mr. Winograds assessments for Philly, Reno& King County Washington. They are same thing at each shelter.
08:00 PM on 10/21/2010
I wonder why anyone would oppose the concept of saving lives? Or why some people are offended at the idea of asking shelter employees to work hard and be accountable, or inviting the public to foster, or encouraging pet owners to keep their pet?

Yet some people attack No Kill with lies (because they cannot attack it with truth). For instance, some claim that Nathan Winograd opposes spay/neuter, when in reality, spay/neuter is one of the cornerstones of the No Kill approach. The key is making it affordable for people. Mandatory SN is not part of No Kill because it has been proven to increase killing, not decrease it. Passing a law without making SN.affordable doesn't result in compliance by the public. It merely gives Animal Control license to impound and kill more animals. Sorry, but that is the real world.

There are too many distortions and outright lies opposing No Kill for me to address. But I've seen the No Kill programs work. As local shelters have adopted some of the elements of No Kill, their save rate has jumped: The most dramatic was from 2% saved to 60% saved - just from working with rescue groups, having a strong volunteer program, supporting TNR and offering low-cost SN. When all of the No Kill elements are finally implemented, more will be saved.

Those who oppose life saving will not be swayed by my arguments. But to others - please read the book and judge for yourself.
10:50 PM on 10/21/2010
Now just who has voiced opposition to saving lives? No one on this blog. We oppose a particular program that hasn't worked for the most part. "No Kill" is the one telling lies, that is the point. Now read the comments, go to the links and read for yourself. Show me where spay/neuter hasn't worked. Have you looked at numbers from a couple of decades ago or so of the numbers of animals coming into the shelters which means of course more dead ones. Long before Nathan Winograd came onto the scene, it was the time of spay/neuter. Although the population has grown, the number of animals entering the shelters dropped almost 50% and it wasn't from a morbid, unrealistic program/agenda of Nathan Winograd, it was from harding working people pushing spay/neuter. So don't tell me it doesn't work.
01:40 PM on 10/21/2010
After having a chance to think on this topic for several days, I am still dumbfounded and perplexed. Mike Stark seems to present two complaints against the "no-kill" movement.

First, that no-kill sheltering usually results in "warehous[ing] animals in overcrowded, disease and pest-ridden cages," which he equates with "torture". Certainly, as a journalist, Stark's opinion is based on research - but he doesn't cite any investigations or provide any examples.

Stark's second complaint is that Nathan Winograd has links to the Center for Consumer Freedom (a truly despicable organization as any animal advocate would agree). But Stark doesn't provide any evidence for that either, and the claim seems to be based on the fact that Nathan Winograd allowed himself to be interviewed by the CCF under the condition that nothing be edited from his interview no matter how critical his statements were. As someone else pointed out, if Jesse Jackson allowed himself to be interviewed by the KKK, would that make him a white supremacist?

Today I checked the 4k2 blog again looking for evidence of the CCF claim, but all I found was a link to a blog which makes the same claim - also without offering any evidence.

Perhaps a better article would have been if Stark examined Winograd's contentious and inflammatory tone. Rather, Stark has added his own unsupported, inflammatory, and hyperbolic allegations to a debate that is already far too heated.

In short, is this article only about a personal grudge?
04:39 PM on 10/21/2010
Jesse Jackson would not allow himself to be interviewed by a group such as the KKK and what they represent. Winograd allowed an interview with a group that stands for farm cruelty, animal research, etc. Why, because he thought he could convince them to change their evil ways? No, because he joins them in condemning the very organizations that bust dog fighting, farm animal cruelty, the very things he should be standing up for. And what does Winograd do for shelters other than condemn them, pushing away people with his rhetoric? How much money does he put into shelters to help them? When was the last time he was standing on the front lines busting a dog fighting ring?
11:37 AM on 10/21/2010
Limited intake, yes, this is all part of Austin's No Count initiative. Planting a pop-up outside so anyone coming to surrender an animal can be harassed in the same manner as women seeking legal abortions, made to feel worse than they do already. Eliminating night drop boxes so that good samaritans cannot turn in found animals after hours and public in general no longer has a safe place to leave them (is it inconceivable that some people work second shift and cannot get to the shelter before 7 PM closing?), planning for surrender by appointment only...and beyond this, deliberately alienating the responsible rescues who have been working with Austin's sheltered and at-risk animals for years before these Johnny-Come-Latelies.

Yes, TLAC's intake is down. That of course doesn't mean those animals have been 'saved'.
01:06 PM on 10/21/2010
Spouse to rescue gal, you go girl! I know whenever we tell someone we can't take their pet, that pet doesn't go back to the house with them. It gets left somewhere, sad but true. We can only handle approx 25 dogs in house, so if we can't get the fosters to take a certain type of dog, we can't either.. The answer isn't to overcrowd our shelter, so where do the deluded people expect us to keep them so they don't die.? To many animals, not enough homes. It's true, pet overpoulation is not a myth.
spouse
10:38 PM on 10/22/2010
Your point is well made. Once the person decides, for what ever reason, they cannot keep the animal, it is never going home to stay again. All the counseling in the world is not going to change that. It is like the economy, what part of "broke" escapes you?. If someones neighbor or child is threatened you can't keep the dog, yet the posts on my site show the intake policy of the No Kill limited admission shelter.
02:17 AM on 10/21/2010
The most troubling issue not being addressed here is the limited intake. I went to all the web sites of any thing with no kill open admission, they all have a caveat. Virginia will take your dog if you make and appointment and if they have space, Inthaca uses space & disposition as their limiting factors. Mike, open addmssion or not, if they had been full that day, they would have turned you away. Tomkins say they accept all intakes if they have room. That is not open admission.
It's alread been mentioned by others that Reno turns away animals to be killed at the pound. Please investigate open admisssions that aren't really. Thanks
03:36 PM on 10/19/2010
I don't know why you call yourself a "journalist". First of all, I don't believe you've actually READ Winograd's book (Redemption). Your article states:"In a nutshell, his argument is that shelters should follow a three-step plan to get to zero kill: "1) Stop the killing. 2) Stop the killing. 3) Stop the killing." ".

Had you read the book, you would know that Stop the killing statement is simply a first step in his well thought out program.of TEN basics that must be implemented to stop the killing. It requires work, programs, and a decent shelter director who actually CARES about animals. And there is nothing simple or easy about his "sheltering notions", as you call them.

By the way, the "Rick Berman" link in your last paragraph is a great interview with Winograd - everyone should read - unless you decide to change it.

Why do you try to portray Wingrad as sympathetic to puppy mills and anti spay/neuter?? Nothing could be FURTHER from the truth.

This article is a very strange brand of journalism. And I suggest you take a little time off and actually READ the book you are making light of, instead of just skimming for things to denigrate. At least read the last section of the book, APPENDIX II, where he outlines the TEN steps of this program, for heaven sake!!

alfalfa
04:15 PM on 10/20/2010
Put that glass of koolaid down, Alfie, and learn the truth about Winograd's morbid movement. The truth is out there for all to see if you take your rose colored glasses off long enough.
01:10 PM on 10/21/2010
Nope, looks to me like Mike nailed it pretty good. My wife volunteers at a No Kill shelter and it is a limited admission. All the shelters surrounding the open admission No Kill, carry the emotional and financial burden for these misguided fools.
02:49 PM on 10/19/2010
Thank you for writing on such an important topic. Thousands of people put their faith in Nathan and blindly believe what he has to say. There is an incredible responsibility that goes with that level of power, and Nathan turns a blind eye to it.

He and his followers don't seem to understand that they hurt animals when they turn the public against good shelters by painting a picture of all animal shelters as places where there is little concern for the lives of animals.

I work for a progressive animal shelter and we are continually attacked by those who blindly follow the no-kill movement. A very loud proponent of Nathan’s defames our organization on a regular basis, and his statements are based off of radical assumptions, not facts or knowledge. I’m sure that many would be surprised to learn that this proponent recommends our shelter to people who bring an animal to him that undoubtedly needs to be euthanized. I certainly hope that is not part of the no-kill equation.

Sadly, Nathan has filled people with such hate with his panoptic statements about animal shelters that they can’t see what’s really going on — we’re all working toward the same goal. We could get there faster if the infighting he has created didn’t exist.
01:14 PM on 10/21/2010
I don't really think he has " thousands" of supporters beyond the first seminar. Buying the book doesn't make one a supporter, it makes you curious. Deceived, but curious. The reality of seeing this in practice is what brings most rational people back to earth. Sure got my spouse off her pink cloud. She is frequently pressured to " foster" a lifetime commitment is what they are hoping for really. We have 2 huge labs, there is no way we could help fostering and do justice to either dogs. The pressure to "bring one home" is terrific..
02:31 PM on 10/21/2010
I have fostered both a cat and a dog through the no-kill shelter I volunteer at. It certainly wasn't a lifetime commitment. The cat was fostered for four weeks while receiving medication. Upon being returned to the shelter, she was placed within two weeks. The dog (a 1 year old dobie-pit-lab mix) was fostered for four days before applicants began the interview process for permanent placement. It took a few days to check vet references, but she was in her new home in less than two weeks. Two years later, I still get updates and she is doing great and her family adores her.

I've seen a poorly managed "kill" shelter transition to a well-managed "no-kill" shelter. Everything is different. Employees are now accountable, the facility is beyond clean, the community is involved and supportive, and there is an over-abundance of volunteers.

I don't doubt that you have seen a poorly-managed no-kill shelter. There are outstanding, mediocre, and poor examples of both kinds of shelters. However, I am concerned that you insist that no-kill can't work. It can, does, and is working on a daily basis.
10:39 PM on 10/22/2010
The passing off of unheathy companion animals is essential to NKE.
01:35 PM on 10/19/2010
It's good to see someone telling the truth about Nathan Winograd. Winograd is aligned with the breeders, no question about it. He might as well have "breeders' spokesman" tattooed on his forehead. Winograd's "no kill" plan is just happy talk to convince rescuers that breeding is good, filling the shelters is good, and all they have to do is get rid of the shelter staff and adopt out the animals. It's like blaming the hospital for not making everyone well. It serves the interests of those who are filling the shelters - the breeders. His pro-breeding agenda is insidious and a disservice to people who truly want to stop the suffering and killing in shelters.
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01:41 PM on 10/19/2010
How is he pro-breeder? Could you please explain because your comment makes no sense to me.
01:47 PM on 10/19/2010
He opposes spay/neuter programs and actually advocates that shelter intake can be lowered without spay/neuter. He attends breeder events and is touted by breeders. He supports breeding and says the problem is shelter staff, not lack of spay/neuter or responsible pet ownership. If it sounds like a breeder, talks like a breeder.....
11:22 AM on 10/19/2010
"Nathan Winograd does not agree; he doesn't see nuance. He has run a scorched-earth campaign against the thousands of animal lovers that disagree with his black-and-white vision of sheltering policy. The question is, "Why?""

This has been noted by Craig Malisow in Houston and Patricia J. Ruland in Austin in their articles about Winograd. What needs to be said is that we aren't against no kill as a goal, stopping euthanasia for time and space, a noble goal. Rather we are against Winograd's program because it doesn't work the way he presents it. And it is wrong to push people away from shelters by condemning them the way he does. He and his followers are probably responsible for many pets losing their lives with their rantings about barrels of dead animals, etc. What man will take his family to a shelter that is described the way Winograd describes it? It would accomplish so much more to work with a shelter rather than against it. It only leads one to think there are alternative motives for his rants, like pushing people into the arms of breeders and rescues.