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Who Moved My Climate?

Posted: 12/30/11 01:20 PM ET

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The Island Scrub-Jay (Photo provided by The Nature Conservancy)

Earlier this month global climate negotiations wrapped up for the 17th time in Durban, South Africa. An agreement to continue to talk and hopefully agree on a treaty binding to everyone by 2020 is progress of a sort. Meanwhile, scientific consensus predicts that if we keep doing what we're doing, global temperatures will increase 3.6 to 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2 to 4 degrees Celsius) by 2100, about the same level of warming that occurred following the Last Glacial Maximum almost 20,000 years ago -- except about 100 times faster. Certainly any effort to prevent the high end of that prediction has to be a top priority. But timetables for action, like the one that came out of Durban, suggest we're probably already locked into a big temperature increase, and we need to start preparing for the consequences.

With estimates that the world's population may hit at least 9 billion people by 2050, our legacy will be a world much different than the one we know. According to NASA , in 90 years most of Earth's land that is not covered by ice or desert is projected to undergo at least a 30 percent change in plant cover -- changes that will require people and animals to adapt and even relocate. The combined impact of a warmer planet and an extra 2 billion people will be jarring to say the least. It won't be easy, but people can move, and the lucky ones will. But many plants and animals will be trapped, unable to adapt in a world that is changing much faster than it has in the past and unable to migrate past man-made blockades like cities and highways. The reality is we're going to have to help them.

The island scrub-jay may be the new poster child for this challenge. It is the only island restricted bird species in continental North America. The only place you'll see one is on Santa Cruz Island, just off the coast of Santa Barbara, California. So it is going to be in trouble if climate change makes Santa Cruz Island unsuitable. A recent paper in the journal BioScience suggests a number of ways that could happen. For example, diseases like West Nile virus are becoming more prevalent with global warming, and when birds like jays get West Nile they tend to die. Fortunately, there are a number of things that we can do to reduce the risk of extinction of the jays -- like moving them to an island that is likely to stay cooler in the future. Two islands sure seem better than one in this case.

What's interesting about the case of the island scrub-jay is that while the bird appears to be doing fine right now, science tells us that there are problems on its horizon. This gives us the opportunity to think through what we can do proactively to reduce the threat of climate change. It will be a good test case because we're definitely going to need practice thinking through this kind of issue. What will we do when entire plant and animal communities can no longer make it in San Diego, their optimum climate shifting to San Francisco? How about species whose home habitats go away in other countries and a relatively short trip north just won't cut it? Is it zoos or oblivion? Or are there other options? This is startling talk to conservationists focused on protecting nature where it is today. But in reality humans have altered 75% of Earth's ice-free land. We are already changing and managing the planet -- just not by design. Helping the diversity of life adjust and survive the Age of Man even as we try to survive ourselves will be our biggest challenge since Noah built his ark. A little bird told me so.

 

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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
09:29 PM on 01/04/2012
Link to Joe Romm's site.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/01/01/395922/german-solar-output-increases-2011/

Oh no. Sunlight. Help me. I'm shrinking!
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11:40 PM on 01/04/2012
So, if quickly transitioning to a low-carbon economy like Germany's doing right now will wreck our economy, then how come Germany's economy is doing so well and their unemployment rate is decreasing rapidly?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/business/global/german-joblessness-falls-to-lowest-level-in-two-decades.html?_r=1

Ditto for Denmark, which already gets 25% of its TOTAL ENERGY from renewables?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
03:41 PM on 01/04/2012
The Pentagon: Global Warming Is Real and a Destabilizing Force

From the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review (2010):
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Climate-related changes are already being observed in every region of the world, including the United States and its coastal waters. Among these physical changes are increases in heavy downpours, rising temperature and sea level, rapidly retreating glaciers, thawing permafrost, lengthening growing seasons, lengthening ice-free seasons in the oceans and on lakes and rivers, earlier snowmelt, and alterations in river flows.

Assessments conducted by the intelligence community indicate that climate change could have significant geopolitical impacts around the world, contributing to poverty, environmental degradation, and the further weakening of fragile governments. Climate change will contribute to food and water scarcity, will increase the spread of disease, and may spur or exacerbate mass migration.

While climate change alone does not cause conflict, it may act as an accelerant of instability or conflict, placing a burden to respond on civilian institutions and militaries around the world. In addition, extreme weather events may lead to increased demands for defense support to civil authorities for humanitarian assistance or disaster response both within the United States and overseas.

http://www.defense.gov/qdr/images/QDR_as_of_12Feb10_1000.pdf
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11:34 PM on 01/04/2012
"CIA Opens Center on Climate Change and National Security", Sept. 25, 2009

"Its charter is not the science of climate change, but the national security impact of phenomena such as desertification, rising sea levels, population shifts, and heightened competition for natural resources."
from the CIA web site:
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/center-on-climate-change-and-national-security.html
p.xi, Dept. of Defense Task Force,

"Trends and Implications of Climate Change for National and International Security", Oct. 2011

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/climate.pdf

"...if all of the measures currently recommended to reduce emissions from human activity are implemented, the predicted temperature rise will vary from a minimum of 2degs.C to as much as 7degs.C by the end of the 21st century. A rise of more than 2degs.C is likely to have serious consequences for the human habitat."
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11:52 PM on 01/04/2012
Deniers always bash climate science but don't actually understand it.

But their real fear is loss of jobs and lifestyles caused by transitioning away from fossil fuels.

Yet, they never look at the other side of the coin: potential jobs and lifestyle losses due to unaddressed climate change.

Here's what one Sandia U.S. National Labs Study suggests:

"... perform a detailed 70-industry analysis of economic impacts among the interacting lower-48 states. We determine the industry-level contribution to the gross domestic product and employment impacts at the state level, as well as interstate population migration, effects on personal income, and consequences for the U.S. trade balance.

We show that the mean or average risk of damage to the U.S. economy from climate change, at the national level, is on the order of $1 trillion over the next 40 years, with losses in employment equivalent to nearly 7 million full-time jobs."

https://cfwebprod.sandia.gov/cfdocs/CCIM/docs/Climate_Risk_Assessment.pdf

Then there's the U.K.'s Nicholas Stern Review, the World Bank's former Chief Economist, who figures a 2% annual drag on GDP, vs. perhaps an eventual 20% drag if we do nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Review

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/lord-stern-on-global-warming-its-even-worse-than-i-thought-1643957.html
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FTracy3
My micro-bio is as empty as the rest of my life.
02:26 PM on 01/04/2012
"But timetables for action, like the one that came out of Durban, suggest we're probably already locked into a big temperature increase,"....In other words it's going to happen regardless of what we do. I think I'll go turn on a few 100 watt bulbs and stop bitching at Al Gore for his colossal waste of fuel on his private jets.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
03:33 PM on 01/04/2012
One word for you, FT:

Mitigation.

HTH.
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ClimateHawk
Think before posting.
08:11 PM on 01/02/2012
Follow the trends at: http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators

Since the climate includes a lot of "sloshing around" (as Dr. James Hansen says), a rule of thumb is that it takes about 30 years of data to establish a clear trend. This is not difficult to understand when you consider that it takes time for the ocean to heat up. Keep that in mind when you look at the graphs.
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03:11 AM on 01/04/2012
Has Dr Hansen been released from custody yet?
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ClimateHawk
Think before posting.
08:11 AM on 01/04/2012
You are demonstrating why people should not take anything you say seriously.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
03:36 PM on 01/04/2012
Your rhetoric demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about or are being intentionally misleading.

Again.
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02:44 PM on 01/02/2012
HASTINGS downthread: "If the Earth's climate is changing, which I asume(sic) it is, since it always has, mankind will do what he(sic) always has done and that is adapt."

Precisely !

E.g., when Mt. Toba erupted ~71k (+/- 5k) years ago,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

mankind immediatel­y adapted by dwindling to perhaps less than 10,000 mating pairs. This may have forced then normals to tolerate those who had already mutated toward complex symbolic reasoning, physically understand­ing our universe, enthrallin­g artistic expression­, and sublime spirituali­ty - rocketing them culturally far beyond then-preva­iling average homo sapiens, Neandertal­s, Denisovans­, and Homo Erectus.

Meanwhile, human mating remains w/i a tight DNA range bounded by identical twins to useable inanimate objects. However, admixtures between humans and earlier hominids appears to be low, with a maximum of 4 - 6% Denisovan DNA carried by some Melanesian­s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisova_hominin#Interbreeding_with_modern_humans

So, current consequenc­es are perhaps apparent only among a few regressive­, reality-de­nying shills here.

Yet, overall, such advances in assimilating and modeling reality allowed humans to migrate to and populate all corners of the world, starting ~ 60 - 70k years ago.

Thus, from a paleontolo­gical perspectiv­e, near-extin­ction events remain an excellent opportunit­y for kick-start­ing human mutation and emigration - assuming terrestrial non-habitability, this time to other planets perhaps !

So, we should all be keenly anticipating near-extin­ction events like the one now looming.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
08:14 AM on 01/02/2012
Hello!

I say hello to all the people playing cute semantics with the phrase “climate change”.

OK, here is the deal. What we supporters and members of the scientific community are warning you about is catastrophic climate change. Nobody is denying that climate is always changing. The problem comes when your climate changes faster than you can adapt to it. And our climate is in a period of rapid change now. At the very least, we should all be having a discussion about what to do about this when, whatever the cause, places like Texas get devastated by desertification. At the very least, we should be talking about what to do about the Ogallala Aquifier drying up. At the very least, we need to recognize that the unforeseen consequences of rapid change can be devastating. At the very least, we need to be talking about the extreme vulnerability of a centralized power grid when, for instance, we pass through the next period of extreme ice storms.

But no. No, what we are doing is arguing over the number of scientists who can dance on the head of a pin. Fine. Double done on false Madison Avenue generated security and certainty. I have to look away though. I don’t have the stomach for watching people chase afte the receding ocean just before the tsunami.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
02:56 PM on 01/02/2012
"I don’t have the stomach for watching people chase afte the receding ocean just before the tsunami".

Because they do, in astounding numbers.
06:17 AM on 01/02/2012
If the Earth's climate is changing, which I asume it is since it always has, mankind will do what he always has done and that is adapt.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
06:40 AM on 01/02/2012
This time it is different Hastings. Mankind will be incapable of modifiying its behavior. We will continue burning up the fossil fuels. The atmosphere will continue to heat. Imagine that the climate gets 12 degrees F hotter. Include lots and lots of freak superstorms. Imagine biblical crop failures. It could be like that. Adapt away.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:03 PM on 01/03/2012
"Adapt" is code for "widespread misery and suffering".
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Katmandu01
07:40 AM on 01/02/2012
Obviously the earth's climate has and continues to change. The problem is the rate of change. What's happening is not simply a steady increase of a degree or two. The rate of change is bringing with it more extreme weather conditions with greater frequency, intensity and duration of droughts, blizzards, tornadoes and storms resulting in severe flooding.T­­he last time such a rapid rate of change occurred was during and after the Toba eruption about 70,000 years ago when volcanic ash caused a rapid cooling and the human population was probably reduced to about 10,000 breeding pairs. Would anyone like to have been around then? By the way, that was a period of cooling, not warming and never in human experience has the earth's climate warmed as quickly as it is now. Even though humans may have been significan­­­­­tly disrupted by other changes in climatic patterns, there really weren't very many of us around and our needs were pretty simple and in order to adapt, our ancestors simply had to pick up their few belongings and migrate. Now there are 7 billion of us and we don't do so well with just the few things that we can carry.
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Richard2
10:48 AM on 01/03/2012
Over the entire 20th Century, the earth warmed by only about one degree. Some think even that amount of change has been exaggerated, by repeated adjustments made to the raw data. Over the same period, the sea level rose by about seven inches. No one died from these events.

Further, since the turn of the century, the rate of warming has declined. Many sources indicate the earth's temperature simply hasn't increased at all, and 2011 was one of the coldest years since 2000. Likewise, with sea level indicators, the rise in sea level has tapered off, with modest declines occurring in major coastal cities, such as San Francisco and Los Angeles, based on tide station data. In addition, Average winter temperatures in the U.S. have been falling over the first decade of the 21 st. Century. People should prepare for more severe winters, more similar to those several decades ago, rather than the relatively warm winters of the late 20th Century.

Every day people have to adjust to the temperature changing by about 20 degrees, from midnight to noon. A half of one degree rise or fall in average temperature isn't going to hurt anyone at all.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
07:28 PM on 01/01/2012
Reality has a well-known scientific bias.

U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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Human activities are influencing climate. As discussed in the following chapters, scientific evidence that the Earth is warming is now overwhelming. There is also a multitude of evidence that this warming results primarily from human activities, especially burning fossil fuels and other activities that release heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere. Projections of future climate change indicate that Earth will continue to warm unless significant and sustained actions are taken to limit emissions of GHGs.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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Counterintuitive
We'll steer by the beacon of our 100 year forecast
12:23 PM on 01/01/2012
It is interesting to contrast the differing emotional climates of science defenders verses the science deniers.

The defenders are calm and cool headed when it comes to facts, but warm hearted when it comes to concern for the well being of others.
The deniers are hot headed when they respond to facts, but have a cool, even coldhearted disregard for the the well being of others.

I think this key fact helps to clarify the nobility of the defender's motivation.
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05:53 PM on 01/01/2012
Video from 10:10. No Pressure. Just blow them up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM


James Hansen of NASA wants trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange


Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/308598/doubting_global_warming_could_be_treason.html?cat=75


Yvo de Boer of the UN calls climate skepticism criminally irresponsible
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-11-12-united-nations_N.htm


David Suzuki calls for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513


Joe Romm encourages the idea that skeptics will be strangled in their beds
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1174/Update-Romm-defends-remarks-as-not-a-threat-but-a-prediction--Strangle-Skeptics-in-Bed-An-entire-generation-will-soon-be-ready-to-strangle-you-and-your-kind-while-you-sleep-in-your-beds


Green Peace wants you to know that they know where you live.
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/greenpeace-are-coming-we-know-where-you-live/
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flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
06:52 PM on 01/01/2012
Great post! The one about James Hansen is especially telling considering the post he holds. They sound like a bunch of Joseph Stalins, not scientist.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
07:33 PM on 01/01/2012
Prominent Global Warming "Skeptic" Bob Carter Hides The Incline

Dear Orkneygal,

Isn't prominent global warming "skeptic" Dr. Robert M "Bob" Carter committing de facto global warming fraud by misrepresenting increasing global temperature trend lines as flat?* 

Isn't that like a climate science scam, a global warming hoax, a blatant and indefensible lie?

Bob Carter is a leader of and/or major contributo­r to several of the most prominent organizati­ons that are "skeptical­­" of man-made global warming, including:

* The Heartland Institute

* The Internatio­nal Climate Science Coalition

* The Science & Environmen­tal Policy Project

* The Science and Public Policy Institute

* The Nongovernm­ental Internatio­nal Panel on Climate Change

Also:

You Orkneygal have indicated that you live in New Zealand - what relationship do you have with Bob Carter's global warming "skeptic" organization the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition?

Please finally answer these questions instead of continuing to run away from them - thank you.

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* http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/07/bob_carters_trend_lines.php
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
11:55 AM on 01/01/2012
Orkney: " Global temperature trend for the past century, up …….The glorious warming has not accelerated though, has it? For the instrument record period, the highest global temperature was reached in 1998."

The trend line over the past century has been curving upwards, right through the present.
Orkney cherry picks a data anomaly. 1998 was the hottest single year. We can see on the trend line that 1998 is way off the curve, just as previous years have been. But the recent decade was the hottest decade, replacing the previous decade, which replaced the decade before that. The overall trend is hotter. And accelerating.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl
12:36 PM on 01/01/2012
The 1998 record high was tied in 2010 (NASA's conclusion). It is too soon to know the 2011 numbers. Decadal variations are expected (and included in climate models) because of the influence of the ocean. For example the North Atlantic Oscillation and El Nino (alone and in combination) influence temperature on decadal and inter-annual timescales. Temperature trends are measured globally and over long periods of time to qualify as climate change (global warming). A small area of cooling or short period of cooling is simply weather. For example, a particularly cold winter in the Dakotas or Northern Europe is not climate change. A few years of somewhat stable temperatures or no accelerated increase in temperature also does not negate a long term upward trend in temperature (global warming). One has to plot many years of global mean temperature and draw a smooth curve through the data which removes the short term fluctuations to see the striking upward trend in global temperature since 1970.
12:52 PM on 01/01/2012
This NASA website has some nice figures demonstrating my comment above:
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
01:16 PM on 01/01/2012
Correction: 2005 and 2010 (tied) very slightly surpassed 1998 in global temperature.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
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06:24 PM on 01/01/2012
There have been 3 major trends in Gaia's surface temperature according to HADCRUT3 for the last 100 years or so.

A gentle warming from about 1910 to 1940
A nasty cooling trend from 1940 to 1970
A gentle warming from about 1970 until the present day, although temperature has been in a slight decline sine the peak in 1998.

The careful observer will note that the trend for 1910 to 1940 is approximately the same as from 1970 to 2010.

Despite the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, the warming rate today is basically the same as it was from 1910 to 1940; a period of time when the human population was a tiny fraction of what it is today.

There is no evidence of any acceleration in the most gentle and hospitable warming trend of the last 100 years. Despite increasing CO2 levels, warming is not accelerating. There is no evidence of CO2 causing a negative feedback in the instrument record.

The Rommulans' claims of looming catastrophe due to atmospheric CO2 levels have no basis in the data from the real world

http://tinyurl.com/7zpdvec
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
10:34 PM on 01/01/2012
"The careful observer will note that the trend for 1910 to 1940 is approximat­ely the same as from 1970 to 2010"

Actually, the careful observer will note that this claim is false. The 1970-present is approximately 150% of the earlier trend:

1910-1940: 1.1 degC/century
1970-present: 1.6 degC/century

http://bit.ly/uL4ETY
http://bit.ly/vjB7O8

Your claim is demonstrably untrue.

I hope that pointing this out doesn't put me afoul of any New Zealand laws.
11:34 AM on 01/01/2012
Does this mean the Chinese will be able to cultivate citrus fruit crop 300 miles north of their present day range like they did during the MWP. Will vegetation grow in Greenland like it did during the MWP where it is too cold today. Will the elevation of the tree lines in the Alps and Chilean andes rise to their heights that existed during the MWP. Skeptical sciences shows the global temp reconstructions during the MWP and today. The depictions show virtually every spot on the globe to be much warmer today. Yet the archeological evidence shows plant growth during the MWP where it is too cold today. http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm
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01:44 PM on 01/01/2012
What does it mean for countless species for change to occur at unnatural rates? Answer that or accept that deniers are ecologically illiterate on the whole and therefor ideological rather than skeptical.
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Katmandu01
02:36 PM on 01/01/2012
You obviously didn't read piece from scepticalscience very carefully because it make it abundantly clear that the warming that characterized the MWP was fairly localized, concentrated mainly in the North Atlantic.
This is explained in much greater detail by a peer reviewed study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11676&page=R1
As well don't exaggerate how pleasant and balmy conditions may have been for the Norse settlers in Greenland. At its peak, the colony consisted of two settlements, the Eastern and the Western Settlement, with a population of 3,000-5,000. In Collapse Jared Diamond describes how the settlers endured a very harsh and meagre existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#The_demise_of_the_Greenland_Norse_settlements
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/01/03/050103crbo_books
In short, see if you can move on to another talking point.
04:03 PM on 01/01/2012
You dd not read the part of the citrus fruit cultivation in china 300 miles north of the current day natural range where skeptical science says it is too cold today to grow the citrus trees. You did not read where the tree lines in the chilean and the alps during the MWP where much higher than today.

let us know how the climate scientists have reconciled the archeological records and the botany science with the climate science.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
08:10 AM on 01/01/2012
Orkneygal: "Growing seasons, lengthening……If true, this is a good thing. More food production. USDA planting zones moving towards the pole….. If this is true, this is a good thing. More food production"

Good to see you agree, finally, that global warming is happening. However, it is not a good thing for all the species that are getting superstressed. Life evolved for conditions as they were, not as they are becoming over the course of a single century. Would any sane person declare that warming has been good for food production in Texas, or in the wheat belt of Russia? Global warming is NOT a good thing, at the accelerated rate we
are causing and witnessing.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
07:03 AM on 01/02/2012
Orkney, have you no answer?
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03:26 AM on 01/04/2012
The recent hot temperatures in Texas and previously in Russia were caused by blocking high pressure systems, which are common and within normal variation of the current climate.

If you knew anything about science you would know that.

Texans (and Russians, also) tend to think they live in the most important place in the world and therefore will whinge loudly about any perceived dis-comfort..
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
07:04 PM on 01/04/2012
Orkney has just aggressively stated exactly nothing. The 2010 Russian Heat wave destroyed their wheat crop. It was considered a thousand year event. The Texas drought destroyed their crops and drained their water reservoirs and was by far the hottest year on record.

Orkney dismisses these with a wave of the hands as a 'discomfort.'
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
01:18 PM on 01/03/2012
Yoo hoo, Orkney.
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03:40 AM on 01/01/2012
As an observer of natural systems for 3 decades I can verify many of the climate change predictions are happing. In many ecosystems. Some changes appear minor but many other's are significant. I believe our world will be going through some serious climate shifts in the next decades. And when if these changes ever slow down, if they do, we'll wonder what the heck happened to us. Even though we've been warned it will not be take serious by enough people to matter. It will then end up to the survivors how they want to go forward.
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Richard2
07:33 PM on 12/31/2011
If you were the average gardener, before planting on Santa Cruz Island, off the coast of California, you would visit your local nursery, to purchase a Sunset Magazine "Western Garden Book" which divides the western states into 24 different climate zones. And the Channel Islands are "zone 24," Marine Influence along the California Coast." The climate of the Channel Islands has been marine influence for a long, long time.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:48 AM on 01/01/2012
Your inability to distinguish between local and global effects is breathtakingly small minded.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
02:29 PM on 01/01/2012
And likely remunerated.
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wildbill654
information/misinformation age?
06:38 PM on 12/31/2011
Who moved my climate? Check with GOD.
While I agree that humans are in part responsible for current climatic changes, the fact remains that this has happended many times before with the last being a short lived one around 1000AD. It came and went fast, but wiped out a lot of humanity in the process.
For all of those that have specific opinions and are promoting measures that you believe will slow or stop the change, consider this: we have no way to stop volcanic activity, nor the earth itself. As it currently stands all of this could become moot quickly as the only thing that stands between the present population and the four horsemen are fungicides, herbicides & pesticides. Everyone likes to complain, but while you are doing it, remember that only 1% of the U.S. population is feeding this land and exporting another 30% to the rest of the world. Ag. problems are rising along with all else.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:50 AM on 01/01/2012
Your knowledge of science and natural processes is breathtakingly lacking.
Have a good prayer.
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wildbill654
information/misinformation age?
10:17 AM on 01/01/2012
We are all entitled to an opinion, but the agriculture part that I speak of is true and one of the leaders at Rodale made the comment that we are just on harvest away from chaos, which is true. Review what is happening in the rest of the world and you will find that the majority of unrest is based in escalating food prices. In the U.S. the jump in food stamps/EBT and pantry users has risen from 27 million in 08 to near 50 today and drought projections continue. Of the water on this planet, only 10% is fresh and the Ogallala is being depleted by overuse. Norman Borlaug was right but the concept needs chemical help to make it happen
I do have a smidgen of knowledge and what is found in a pit with a trowel and paint brush tells a tale of the past. Geology and hydrogeology are science.
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01:34 PM on 01/01/2012
The bulk of the scientific evidence suggests that the most, if not all, of the current climate change, principally global warming, is man-made.

Are you disputing that? If so, where is your peer-reviewed evidence.

If you're not prepared to dispute that, then what makes you think that a gradual transition to a low-carbon economy will have little or no impact on global warming mitigation? Where's your evidence?
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wildbill654
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02:42 PM on 01/02/2012
People and the massive population growth, along with extensive use of coal are certainly part of the problem andI don't dispute that, but what irks me is the total disregard for natural events in the form of volcanic activity. Everyone in the Gore camp says that these can be monitored which is crap. Nothing we have is capable of getting into an ash cloud and remaining airborne and people on the ground do not fare better. When St. Helen's blew it took the close Geo survey people with it and their bodies have never been recovered. I base my belief on Mt. Tambora and the aftermath. Since Tambora was singular, it does make a case for my position. Further, the coal emissions produced in Staffordshire, U.K. from 1840-1900 were so massive the area gained the nickname the black country, consequently CO2 levels should have been rising at least 50 years earlier than is currently reported.
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01:47 PM on 01/03/2012
I don't mind a reply to the intelligent and please not that I do not exculde the human race.
I am an amatuer, but with a wide scope. Age, empirical observation mixed with classrooms and a backdoor ability into the ARL archives makes for opinions. Thank you.
Some of your colleagues at the U. of Madrid seem to think everything is locked into a ten mile zone between the crust and sthe Strat. However, if you are correct you can add another piece of speculation as the mix being carried on the Trop also would explain the blight outbreaks, and they are NUMEROUS. The only thing keeping us from a soylent green is fungicide.