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Parting the Red Sea with My Dad and My Atheist Daughter

Posted: 04/09/11 08:24 PM ET

With Passover around the corner, my thoughts are turning to how to make the story of the Exodus come alive for my kids. Typically, one might use clever stories or dramatic reconstructions with masks and props. But it's not so simple in our house. This is because my almost-7-year-old daughter is a self-declared atheist.

My daughter conceives of God as a social construction. She believes that the concept began in ancient times as a rumour, which then took on a life of its own. I enjoy engaging her in discussions about her utterly reasonable convictions. And she knows I read and think a lot about the topic. "Mom, is that another book on Jewish theology?" she teased the other day, glancing at a large tome lying unclaimed on the sofa. (It wasn't, but she knows I try to keep up.)

But in relaying the many fantastical elements of the Passover story, I don't want the description of God raining reptiles down on the Egyptians, or parting the Red Sea for the Israelites, to fall on deaf ears. "It's just a made up story," she said today when I mentioned the bit about the waters splitting. "And besides," she added, "there's no such thing as God."

So I'm turning to inspiration from a most unlikely source: memories of a trip I took with my dad to Universal Studios when I was 9. As it happens, one of the highlights of the Hollywood studio tour is connected to the story of the Exodus. With creaky mechanical walls creating a truck-width gap in the lake, riders on the tour tram get to drive right through. They see what Charlton Heston and fellow cast members witnessed as they filmed the famous Red Sea scene in Cecil B. DeMille's 1956 epic The Ten Commandments.

These tourists are there to discover the special effects behind the films. But they also know that glimpsing the tricks of the trade won't diminish their experience of the magic of motion pictures. If anything, doing so will enhance it. Just like tending one's own garden can inculcate a sublime appreciation for the taste of a fresh carrot, unraveling some of life's mysteries can make one thirsty to grasp more.

There's another reason why I draw inspiration from that memory of my daughter-father trip to California. I think about what happens when parents take their kids seriously. There is a short animated video circulating online by David Brooks, New York Times columnist and author of The Social Animal. In it, Brooks explains that to help your children achieve their potential, threats and bribes are not the way to go. What kids need most is authentic parental connection. Pull your daughter aside and share something about your personal world. Through that seemingly small act, you will help bolster a healthy sense of self, one that can propel her toward a mindful pursuit of her life goals.

My dad, a psychiatrist-psychotherapist, would frequently share a bit of his own intellectual or creative life with me. His interests sometimes became mine. Simon & Garfunkel and Neil Diamond were my childhood soundtrack. Before I discovered the Brat Pack, I embraced cinematic stars like Al Jolson and Maximillian Schell. I was familiar with every program at my summer camp before I even arrived, thanks to my dad's sharing his own Camp Massad memories with me for years prior. And I knew more about Sigmund Freud than most kids my age. Sometimes I took the information in socially awkward directions, like challenging my fourth-grade classmates to define clinical terms like "narcissistic rage." But usually it meant that I was inspired to think critically about issues, preparing to put my own stamp on the world.

In her atheist ways, my daughter is already engaging with the biggest ideas there are. Why are we here, and how did we get here? Attending synagogue and religious school, she hears a lot about God. Though she doesn't believe in Him, she sometimes spontaneously breaks into the ballad version of Adon Olam, Debbie Friedman's Havdalah prayer or the Shema. And I enthusiastically chime in.

My daughter wants to be part of the conversation, and I want to be there as her partner in dialogue. Letting our kids in on the secrets of what we most care about sets the stage for helping them engage in our most important collective, foundational narratives. Whether we believe these stories to be literal occurrences, divinely inspired actions or humanly created tales, they are the lifeblood of the Jewish conversation. Seems that this year, the Four Questions recited at the seder will just be four of many. It won't be long before I have many questions for her, too.

This column first appeared in the Ottawa Jewish Bulletin.

 

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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
05:54 PM on 04/13/2011
Your daughter is incredibly fortunate. I admit to a not insignificant level of envy.

Having been raised catholic and never really buying it was very difficult. If you do not go to catholic school you typically begin to learn the faith around age 7-8 in weekly classes. My questions were never answered to my satisfaction. The whole 'god's will is beyond our comprehension' was such a cop out. I got out of all observances as much as I was able.

I understand that you are passing on knowledge of your community and the world around her. Religion is ingrained in our societies and for the time being this knowledge is necessary.

When my daughter was growing up I was honest with her. I told her that I did not believe but that there were those who did and she could make up her mind for herself when she was old enough. I gave her books on Christianity, Judaism, paganism, eastern traditions, Greek/Egyptian/Roman/Nordic pantheism, etc. I also made sure she had exposure to philosophy, science fiction, and fantasy. We had very close Jewish friends, Wiccan, Catholic and Christian relatives who took her with them to their services.

She was able to put everything in context and follow a moral contributary life that does not include religion.
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OneFish
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02:22 AM on 04/13/2011
Interesting. How did she figure this out?

My mother tells me I was four when I did the same thing. Beyond a single memory of being dragged kicking and screaming to nursery school I have no recollection of that period of my life. I do know that, to this day, theological arguments just sound ridiculous to me. Not without their quaint cultural charms at times but silly nonetheless.
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powercosmic
The Anti-Christ
05:41 PM on 04/12/2011
Wow! Your daughter is so smart, you are to be applauded too for not indoctrinating her, but it appears you tried...

Religion is not for kids and they should be allowed to grow up free of indoctrination, then they can make up their minds once they are adults.
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Mira Sucharov
05:52 PM on 04/12/2011
powercosmic,
Thanks for writing. The key question coming out of this for me, is: what is the relationship between exposure (including teaching, grappling, and intellectual and cultural engagement) with indoctrination? I don't see how one can make up one's mind as an adult without the former (i.e., some form of engagement). But as a liberal thinker, I don't dig indoctrination. (Though would anyone admit it if they did? Another good question.)

Thanks for writing.
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OneFish
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02:23 AM on 04/13/2011
A strawman: under 21, indoctrination, maybe 18....
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02:08 AM on 04/12/2011
What an impressive little girl! Recently my 12 yr old grandson informed me he was an atheist and I was pleasantly surprised. I was indoctrinated a Roman Catholic and it took me until college for me to put away the mythologies I had been exposed to. Once I read "Candide" and wondered about Voltaire that lead me to Spinoza, Hume, Schopenheur, Russell, Campbell and the history of doubt.
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Jradxit
Faithless morality over baseless faith
11:01 AM on 04/11/2011
Your daughter sounds very intelligent and is very brave to tell you she doesn't believe something that you do. You must be a good parent that she has so much trust in you. I commend you.

Most six year olds have the mental capacity to figure out that religion is just made up stories, but don't have the courage and strength of mind to contradict all those figures of "authority" around them.
12:08 PM on 04/11/2011
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10:44 AM on 04/11/2011
Kids like your daughter give me hope for humanity. Hopefully in a couple of decades atheists will make up a significant portion of the world population, rather than being a mistrusted minority in many countries.
12:05 PM on 04/11/2011
ditto
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
08:39 AM on 04/11/2011
If her parents had presented her to the Lord, and been devout and prayerful parents the child would not have any doubts about God and the proper part God should play in her life. God is real, and the grace to seek Him, and the wisdom to be found in God is what sustains us and saves us from the fires of hell. I feel deeply sad for the life your child has missed, and the peril her soul faces because she has been neglected from birth. Participating in the Warner Bros Universal Tour of Meaningless religion is no substitute for the faith of her parents, and the grace of God. May God have Mercy on this poor child.
10:34 AM on 04/11/2011
Alternately, you can let your child decide for themselves what they choose to believe. Judging or feeling sorry for a child because they don't believe in God is so backwards and immature. I feel sorry for the children that have to deal with their parents forcing them to believe.
10:47 AM on 04/11/2011
You feel sorry for a 7-year-old capable of critical thinking while you hold onto ridiculous Bronze Age beliefs? I'm afraid you're in no position to be patronising.
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researcher
02:47 AM on 04/11/2011
Religion reflects the unawareness of the human mind making a god in its image.

Materialism the religion of the atheist based in scientism that finds no meaning and purpose to their lives and accepts the theory taught as fact that they are a grand cosmic accident.

One hopes your daughter will reject both and keep asking the meaning and purpose of her life, indeed all life forms, and not accept the materialist or the religious paradigms.

Once one accepts atheism or religious dogma as a reality, the paradigm effect kicks in and it is almost impossible to see beyond one's existing paradigm. It is hidden from our view and we will reject evidence at a conscious and unconsciousness level that contradicts our hidden paradigm.

Maybe rather than label your daughter as an atheist, the title of sincere seeker would be more appropriate. At 8 years old asking the meaning and purpose of her life may be the qualities of an advanced soul.

Very often atheism is a path for spiritual awaking. Religious dogma is so powerful often one has to reject all of it, to move beyond it. Pendulum thing.
recless
Evidence first. Believe later. Maybe.
05:34 AM on 04/11/2011
1) Materialism is not the "religion" of atheism. Atheism is a religious viewpoint on the question of the existence of god or gods. That's it.
2) "Scientism" is a straw-man argument. I've heard lots of atheist accused of scientism. Have not heard a single one of them ever advocate scientism.
08:56 AM on 04/11/2011
***Materialis­m the religion of the atheist based in scientism that finds no meaning and purpose to their lives and accepts the theory taught as fact that they are a grand cosmic accident***

Wrong.

1- Don't even try and argue that religion isn't materialistic. Look at the wealth of American preachers and the Catholic church

2- To suggest life is an "accident" shows a gross ignorance of scientific forces. In case you also didn't realise, it's no accident that Earth orbits the Sun.
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12:04 AM on 04/11/2011
I was raised in a strange environment, agnostic parents and a Baptist Deacon Grandfather and Sunday School Teacher Grandma. Both of my grandparents were open-minded, honest people. They spoke about their beliefs, but didn't push them on others. They chose to teach through example. My two sons upbringing has been even more eclectic. I am now a practicing Buddhist, my husband a lapsed Catholic/Buddhist. My husband's parents were devout Catholics, who luckily were very open-minded when it came to religion. So they have been to Catholic Mass, Buddhist Meditation and Puja meetings and Methodist Church services (We tried to go to a Methodist Church but it didn't work out). My oldest son (21) believes in God but doesn't care much for organized religion. My youngest son (17) is a Buddhist with Christian overtones. He follows the Buddhist Path but believes in God and believes Jesus was an unidentified Buddha. My husband and I decided when the oldest was born that we would expose them to as many different forms of religion as we could and allow them to find their own path. They have gone to services with Jewish friends and with a muslim friend. They have made their own choices based on their internal beliefs about the world. We still have many discussions about religion and the different types of religion. What matters is that they are in a place spiritually where they find peace.
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Herkv
Caught in a loop . . .
11:20 PM on 04/10/2011
I'm always jealous of people who say they gave up on religion around six or seven. It took me until 17 to leave the Catholic Church and until I was 35 to realize that reality is preferable to imaginary friends.

That was at least 27 years ago and I certainly don't regret it. If only there were more children who would reject the obviously unbelievable we could all breathe more easily.
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03:29 PM on 04/11/2011
And more parents who would allow them to.
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07:20 PM on 04/10/2011
Your daughter is a very wise child.

I was a doubter at a young age, too. But my mother kept scaring me back into the Christian fold with the devil and hellfire and eternal suffering. Messed up my childhood quite a bit.

Wish I'd had a mother as intelligent and caring as you.
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stuoverit
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01:05 PM on 04/11/2011
Agreed. It took my father's death for my mom to come around. She sent me to youth groups and all that stuff against my will until his passing when I was 17. After a confronting her own beliefs, she stopped attending the church we once did. She still goes to some non-denominational ones from time to time and claims to believe in the bible, but she is also socially liberal, old-earther etc. I think her beliefs had alot longer to take root vs. mine (45 years vs. 17 years) and had alot to do with the varying degrees with which we have shirked our former church/doctrine/belief in god.

A couple of years ago she actually apologized for making me go to all that stuff. After inquiring further, she said you read to much for all that church to do anything other than make you rebel. Even if she sees my dis-belief as a form of intellectual rebellion, she has started coming to terms with what fundamental churches do to anyone with half a brain.
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03:21 PM on 04/11/2011
Sounds like you're both doing well, then. My mother died still believing all that fundie stuff.
I really wish my sisters hadn't fallen for it hook, line and sinker. I think my youngest niece might have a chance at getting out of it, but the other two are nearly thirty and still entrenched.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
07:00 PM on 04/10/2011
So, MY 8 year old grandson (perhaps at the other end of the scale) says "Grandpa, I'm not going for this hole 'Santa isn't real' thing because you can ask him for all of the best things and it doesn't cost anybody anything"!

I took this to be the secular equivalent of the theist proclamation that "I just wouldn't want to live in a world with out God". Both the Believers and my grandson seem to not be able to separate the desirability of a beneficent being with the actual existence of that being.
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07:20 PM on 04/10/2011
Apt comparison.
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Dan Jighter
03:44 AM on 04/11/2011
I don't think that's entirely why theists claim to not want to live in a world without God. Keep in mind people are under tremendous social pressure to believe in God in some form. Part of that also includes selling God on the back of belief in God makes you a good person, a more charitable person for example.

Really, who really wants to fight their friends and family over the God thing? And who wouldn't want to be a charitable person?

It isn't about wanting God to exist. It's about the nonbeliever finally caving to the pressure and saying "Fine, whatever. I'll be a theist." They can't swallow it based on reason as there is no evidence and they fully know it and know the correct conclusion. God is a big pill for an atheist to swallow. But perhaps they can swallow it by wanting God to exist.

Given all the social pressure to believe, it is amazing any of us here are atheists. Think about how hard it was for some of us to undue the indoctrination (and still experience its effects) and how lucky those like me are to not be raised religious. I'm fortunate my family didn't go to church, because otherwise I very easily could be a believer and a stubbornly devout one at that. We are lucky. Religion is honestly that tricky and (frankly) evil, to pressure you to corrupt your own mind like that.
02:21 PM on 04/10/2011
Ms. Sucharov, you are blessed with an especially bright seven year old and it was a pleasure to read about her individuality and her well developed outlook on life. I must admit that my seven year old grandson is only interested in basketball!

As a secular Jew I enjoy The Seder as an opportunity to be with my children and grandchildren and to celebrate the story of the Passover. The children love singing the songs and looking for the Afikoman and we all enjoy being together. During the evening I always spare a thought for the hundreds of thousands of Jewish families throughout the world who are all celebrating this part of our history. For me that is the magic of such occasions and my lack of belief in organised religions doesn't make me feel any less a member of my people.

I wish you and your family a wonderful Passover!
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OneFish
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02:34 AM on 04/13/2011
Sounds like a pretty well-adjusted kid with good parents.
02:19 PM on 04/10/2011
I taught my children from an early age to put religious mythologies in the same box with fairytales and folklore. I never told them NOT to believe in god... I just wanted to them to employ some critical thinking as they evaluted the truthiness of magical beings, supernatural ideas, ghosts, etc. On their own they debunked Santa, Tinkerbell, the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin and God. Now, at ages 21 and 19 respectively, they are both avowed atheists and good, kind citizens of the world. Our youngest, aged 7, really has no concept of "God" because it just hasn't come up yet. But I will raise him also to be a critical thinker and I expect that he will, like the other two, become an atheist without any prompting from me. When you raise a child free of dogma (and assuming there is no mental defect), he or she cannot fail to grow into a rational adult.
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Susan Orlins
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11:56 AM on 04/10/2011
Maybe considering yours an interfaith seder is a good approach. See my article "Interfaith Seders and a Heavenly Chocolate Cake" and join the convo! http://bit.ly/gMxj8F