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Circumcision: Identity, Gender And Power

Posted: 12/07/11 11:40 AM ET

Circumcision is seen as the central mitzvah (or commandment) of Judaism. Even for nonreligious Jews, circumcision continues to be perceived as the sine qua non of Jewish identity. And yet, unlike any other controversial topic that we Jews address, the subject of circumcision is not to be challenged. We can calmly discuss whether there is a G-d or no G-d, if G-d is masculine, feminine or neuter, or whether homosexuals should become rabbis. Yet, questioning circumcision has been out of bounds. This taboo, in and of itself, is indicative of how strong the feelings are that surround this ancient rite, and how much is below the surface, in the dark silence, where powerful forces have coalesced for thousands of years.

In order to attempt to understand the role of circumcision in Judaism, we need to explore not simply the Biblical injunction found in Genesis 17:10-12 . We are also obliged to focus on the functions that male genital cutting serves -- socially, politically, psychologically, and individually -- in order to see what and whose invisible needs are being fulfilled. Some of this information comes to us from scholarship; some can only be derived by examining the more subtle ramifications that result from the permanent alteration of male sexual organs.

Circumcision is hardly unique to Judaism. However, two elements distinguish the Jewish version of male genital cutting. First, in Judaism circumcision is expressed as the divine mandate, which seals and perpetuates the covenant, G-d's contractual and eternal relationship, with the Jewish people. Second, it is commanded to occur on the eighth day of the baby boy's life. Other than these unique identifiers, circumcision in Judaism shares much with rites of circumcision in other societies.

What I intend to do here is to show that cutting out a portion of a child's genitalia is fundamentally about gender and power. This is true whether the mandate is divine, tribal, secular, or pseudo-medical, and it pertains to little girls as well as little boys.

For those of us who have grown up with the normalcy of newborn male circumcision, this may seem like a bold, perhaps even outrageous statement. As Karen Ericksen Paige and Jeffrey M. Paige state in their book, The Politics of Reproductive Ritual, of the many theories advanced that attempt to explain the function of reproductive ritual, all agree that "the purposes of ritual are seldom if ever the object of conscious knowledge."

In each and every circumcising society, circumcision fulfills multiple unspoken social, political-tribal, and sexual needs. Paige and Paige claim that male circumcision originally functioned as a vehicle for attempting to achieve by means of ritual what could not be accomplished by means of political arrangement: that is, the defusing of possible competitive claims by male progeny for the same limited resources. In pre-industrial societies, where clan and tribal loyalties formed the basis of economic and military security, the father's willingness to expose, sacrifice, and risk the tender organ of his son's procreative potential and the promise of his own male progeny to the knife was a dramatic demonstration to the elders (read that as male elders) of the father's allegiance to his tribe, a point noted by Leonard B. Glick in Marked In Your Flesh: Circumcision from Ancient Judea to Modern America. For this reason, circumcision is rarely a private surgical event. Rather, it is most commonly a communal ceremony accompanied by feast and celebration. Circumcision is, typically, a public declaration of alignment and thus not simply a social event, but a political statement as well. Without a whisper of the true hierarchical intentions of this ceremony, the outcome was always, and continues to be, a reassertion and institutionalization of a power structure based on gender.

The timing of male circumcision furthers the political/social relationships in less obvious ways. Even though the age for circumcision ranges widely across all circumcising societies, what is most universally constant is the requirement that circumcision occur before marriage. This rule not only establishes the father's status in the male-dominant community, but it also works to achieve another salient objective: marriageable girls are entrained to view any uncircumcised man as undesirable, thereby ensuring the ethnic stability of the tribe. Girls know from an early age that they would risk social ostracism by mating with an uncircumcised male. By enculturating all group members to the necessity, normalcy, and moral superiority of circumcision, circumcising children not only reaffirms the political and social structure of the tribe, but also deepens the identity formation of the group. In this way, circumcision functions as a primary and potent entrainment for group bonding.

At a more muted level, circumcision does more than restructure identity based on contemporary and historical alliances of gender and power. On a meta-historical and biological level, circumcision acts to rename, remap, and invert our fundamental and primal relationship to the feminine. It is not coincidental that this ritual of tribal belonging necessitates the cutting, blood-letting, and altering -- in a public ceremony -- of the male child's sexual organ. As Glick points out, "Female blood contaminates, male blood sanctifies." Thus, he explains, "the shedding of male blood is an act of consecration." By creating historical and social linkage through this sacrificial ritual, circumcision functions to supersede and transcend our most primary maternal and biological system of relationship making patrilineal and patriarchal hierarchy appear "natural and inevitable," as Nancy Jay notes in her brilliant book, Throughout Your Generations Forever. Karen E. Fields, in the foreword to this same book, comments as follows:

In no other major religious institution is gender dichotomy more consistently important, across unrelated traditions, than it is in sacrifice. This is true not only of ancient and so-called primitive religions. Even among contemporary Christians, the more vividly the Eucharist is understood to be itself a real sacrifice, the greater the opposition to ordaining women. ... Consequently, a study of sacrifices focusing on gender leads to a new understanding: sacrifice as remedy for having been born of woman.

Similarly, in both the Hebrew Scriptures (Samuel 1:1) and the New Testament (Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38) , by citing and repeating the lineage of male progenitors, legitimacy is established. The names of the mothers are usually unmentioned, irrelevant in a male-dominant culture.

Circumcision subverts the community's relationship to the life-giving principle of the feminine, not only by obliterating the woman's rightful identity in structuring the historical social network of her tribe, but also by trivializing and implicitly forbidding her to acknowledge, much less act upon, her deepest mammalian instincts to protect her newly birthed child. She knows, long before she has even conceived, that in order for her male child to be bonded to the male community -- past, present and future -- and to a male-imaged god, she must surrender him to the men with a knife to cut, wound and cause great pain to the very vulnerable sexual organ of this newly birthed child. Typically, a mother's feelings are dismissed or ridiculed. Her voice is silenced, even to herself.

Can it be a coincidence that we have language for the primary disempowerment for men, but not for women? When men are wounded in their primal potency of manhood, we say they have been "emasculated." When women are wounded in their primary potency of womanhood, we rarely notice. We have no language, no conceptual structure, no word to claim, much less attempt to heal the experience of core female disempowerment.

The wounding of circumcision irreversibly alters both mother and child: the mother is fractured at the base of her deepest womb-wisdom, which knows that she must protect her child no matter what; and the baby, shocked and traumatized, is fractured in his ability to absolutely trust the protective arms of the mother he has biologically and innately turned to as his primordial source of safety. From the beginning, masculinity is now defined as that which must be cut off from the mother and all that is female, nurturing, and essential for human survival. In this way women are made complicit in this masculine-defined model of motherhood. Nancy Jay states, "Gender is therefore unequaled as a cornerstone of domination." Circumcision is the weapon that not only destroys a boy's foreskin but also deftly excises maternal authority over the ultimate well-being of her child. For if a woman is forbidden to feel entitled to her instinctive need to protect her newborn child, what feelings of her own can she ever trust?

In all circumcising societies, the sacrifice endured by the child is considered incidental to the social, political, and/or religious forces that require it. Typically, the extremity of the baby's pain is denied, ignored, or made the object of countless jokes. Because we Jews circumcise at eight days of age, when a child is easily overpowered and will not consciously recall this event, we deem those who circumcise children at later ages barbaric.

Many of us Jews are capable of witnessing a bris, that is, a ritual circumcision, looking into the eyes of the shocked, terrified, and shrieking baby, his head flailing and chin quivering, as his foreskin is severed from the delicate surface of the glans, cut, and crushed, and many of us conclude that this is no different from a routine infant protest of having a wet diaper changed.

We ignore or choose to be ignorant not only of what our hearts and wombs are telling us, but of the abundance of scientific data, replicated numerous times in the past several decades, that leave little question about the reality of the baby's experience. Heart and respiratory rates, as well as cortisol levels of babies undergoing circumcision point to the unambiguous conclusion that circumcision is excruciatingly painful to any baby. And, as is the case in other severe trauma at the neonatal level of development, the implications of lasting sequelae in the nervous system are serious (for the data behind this, check out Male and Female Circumcision: Medical, Legal and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice). Science has not yet turned its attention to identifying what these sequelae may be. Nevertheless, a modicum of psychological awareness is sufficient to suggest that issues of trust, fear, intimacy, sexuality, and gender relationships would be reasonable places for scholarly investigation. While traumatizing an infant is neither the stated nor the conscious intention of circumcision, it is an inevitable corollary of cutting a child's genital organs with possibly unspecified but hardly neutral alterations in the nervous system.

Although the fact is vigorously denied by the proponents of circumcision, the forcible removal of the foreskin also has profound and long-lasting effects for a male's sexual experience. Even during ancient times, when circumcision was less radical than it is today, the unique quality of the foreskin was understood. In biblical Judaism, circumcision consisted of cutting the foreskin that extended beyond the glans, leaving most of it intact. The full reaming and ablating of the entire foreskin, known as periah, was only innovated by rabbinic decree during Hellenic times in response to the practice of some Jewish men who were trying to avoid ridicule of their fellow Greek athletes by attempting to tie and stretch their foreskins so as not to look circumcised.

Both the Hellenic Jew Philo, in the first century CE, and Moses Maimonides, also known in the Jewish tradition as the Great Rambam in the twelfth century, wrote of the consequences of violently removing the most sensuous part of a man's sexual organ before he is old enough to understand or consent to this loss. Philo wrote in Special Laws that the "excision of pleasure [caused by circumcision] . . . is most necessary to our well-being." Many centuries later C.J. Cold and J.R. Taylor would confirm in the British Journal of Urology that the effects of circumcision on sexuality were, indeed, significant, when they discovered that there are over 20,000 specialized fine touch receptive cells in the human foreskin, which function to allow far greater nuanced sensation and control than any other penile tissue.

Additionally, the removal of the foreskin creates a secondary loss of sensitivity: not only has the most erogenous tissue of the male sexual organ been removed, but, as the man ages, the glans loses its mucosal covering, becomes dried out, and keratinizes over time. Typically by middle age the glans of the circumcised penis has lost much of its receptive potential and the man requires more abrasive stimulation to achieve orgasm. Often this is just as a woman is becoming peri-menopausal and experiencing decreasing vaginal lubrication. Typically, the problem is identified as the woman's entry into menopause; the contribution of the circumcised partner is rarely acknowledged. In subtle but profound ways, circumcision functions to diminish a man's pleasure potential, allowing his bond to his partner to be subordinated to his bond to his tribal male peers. Both Philo and Maimonides knew beyond a doubt that, as in all other aspects of biology, altering form alters function. Here is what Maimonides, the great philosopher, physician, and Talmudist, had to say in his famous book, The Guide of the Perplexed, written in 1160:

The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement
and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate
from him (Genesis Rabbah LXXX). In my opinion this is the strongest of reasons for circumcision.

There they are, the twin patriarchal fears: the fear of woman and the fear of pleasure. Circumcision is both the vehicle and the product, the menace and the antidote, which simultaneously assuages and perpetuates these ancient terrors. This is the achievement and true function of circumcision. Circumcision achieves this by violently breaching the maternal-infant bond shortly after birth; by amputating and marking the baby's sexual organ before he knows what he has lost; by disempowering, "taming," the mother at the height of her instinctual need to protect her infant; by bonding the baby to the community of men past, present, and future and to a male-imaged G-d; by restructuring the family and the society in terms of male dominance; and by psycho-sexually wounding the manhood still asleep in the unsuspecting baby boy. In all of these ways -- socially, politically, religiously, ethnically, sexually, tribally, and interpersonally -- the cutting of our baby boys' sexual organs is the fulcrum around which patriarchy exerts its power. Circumcision is a rite of male domination -- domination and the entitlement of domination over other men, women, and children, both institutionally and personally. It is the essence of patriarchy.

Nevertheless, it would be grossly oversimplifying to characterize Judaism as a purely patriarchal religion, nor would it be accurate to view Judaism as the source of patriarchy in Western religions. The emphatic and elaborate emphasis on this life, on the sanctity of all life as a primary organizing value throughout both biblical and Talmudic texts is in complete contradiction to the practice of circumcision. Removing functional sexual tissue is harmful: it is harmful to the infant, to the pleasure potential and sexual bonding of the mature man, and to the mother who is entrained to surrender her sacred bond with her infant in order for his masculinity to be redefined in terms of his community.

The rabbis explain that, because women are closer to the divine due to our ability to give birth and sustain life, men are in need of other ways to access spirituality -- circumcision being the primary one. However, the notion that trauma can be a bona fide path, much less an ethical avenue, to greater spiritual awareness would be vociferously challenged by contemporary neonatologists as well as epigeneticists. What is unethical cannot be spiritual. The dichotomy and hierarchy assumed and taught for millennia in multiple religions between sexual aliveness and spirituality is false and has led to ages of human suffering. Spiritual sexism is still sexism and needs to be discarded.

I remember when I first learned about the phenomenon of female genital cutting. I was appalled. How could they? How could anyone? It took years before I could hear their voices: "It's who we are, who we've been for thousands of years." "No one will marry us if we're not cut." "Intact genitalia are ugly." "They are unhygienic." Then, I realized... we say the same things.

Yes, there are significant differences between female and male cutting, but it is not honest to claim that one is physically and sexually insignificant and the other barbaric; that one is enlightened, the other primitive. Holding a child down and forcibly removing genitalia is sexual abuse. We would not hesitate to use that label for an individual or culture that countenanced sexual fondling of children. Why do we think slicing off genitals is acceptable? Circumcision is not holy, it does not transmit the Jewish spiritual heritage, nor does it secure Jewish continuity.

For religious as well as tribal and secular reasons, many Jews believe that "circumcision ensures our survival." Without circumcision, we tell each other, the Jewish people will disappear, a very frightening prediction to a people for whom annihilation is a perpetual possibility. Again, the transparent sexism of such a contention is only too apparent. Are males the only ones who count as Jews? Is the contribution of Jewish women irrelevant, invisible, and insignificant? More fundamentally, why is it that Jewish women can carry on our spiritual legacy and remain whole, but Jewish men cannot? How, indeed, did circumcision further our survival during the desperate epochs of Jewish purges when the enemy had only to pull down pants in order to eliminate Jewish males?

In the United States, where most men over thirty have been circumcised, or in the Middle East, where circumcision is normative for Muslims, are naked Jewish men distinguishable from their non-Jewish counterparts? And if circumcision is the quintessential protector of Jewish identity, why do we have tens of thousands of Jewish men in the United States who have had their genitalia radically and permanently altered but are ignorant of Judaism and completely unaffiliated with Jewish communities? The question of how we are to secure and sustain Jewish survival is extremely serious, but the answer is not circumcision.

An orthodox rabbi interviewed by Eliyahu Unger-Sargon in his brilliant movie Cut: Slicing through the Myths of Circumcision stated unequivocally that circumcision was tantamount to sexual abuse. Yet this thoughtful man went on to justify the practice of circumcision for religious reasons, saying that this is where "the rubber hits the road" if you are a Jew. It is a commandment. We have no choice.

Indeed, we do have a choice. What is sacred is our obligation to protect the integrity and privacy of all of our children's genitals. They are not the province of family, community, or anyone else. Spiritualizing the wounding of circumcision does not change the damage, nor make it ethical. As Deuteronomy 30:6 teaches, what is truly required of us in order to contact the divine has to do with the architecture of the heart, not the alteration of male genitals. Creating a joyful and loving Jewish home, and providing our children with meaningful and in-depth Jewish education, are the only authentic means we have to ensure our survival. Cutting our babies' penises will not do it.

Neither in biblical texts nor in the Talmud has brit milah been commanded for hygienic reasons. Nevertheless, in the United States routine neonatal circumcision has been normative, in spite of the fundamental standard of all U.S. medical practice that requires that surgeries be used as a last resort, not a preventive strategy, particularly when dealing with healthy tissue on non-consenting minors. For these reasons and more, the medical societies of Holland, Finland, Australia, Canada and the UK have been explicit in stating that routine neonatal circumcision is medically ill advised and not in the child's best interest. Promoting circumcision for presumed health benefits is neither an authentically Jewish position nor medically valid.

Circumcision may be an ancient rite, but it is wrong. Over the ages Judaism has demonstrated a remarkable ability to mutate in practice and retain the integrity of its spiritual legacy. Judaism was not vanquished when the first temple was destroyed, nor when the second temple was razed. The discarding of animal sacrifice as the primary mode of worship did not result in an unraveling of Jewish spirituality or continuity. Legally, Jewish identity is defined both by halachah (Jewish law) and by the Israeli Supreme court according to the status of the child's mother: if the mother is Jewish, the child is Jewish. Circumcision does not trump maternal lineage.

Without compromising either our children's identity or the survival of our people, we can invite all of our Jewish children, our baby girls and our baby boys, into a brit b'lee milah, a covenant without circumcision, and school them in the wisdom, love, and beauty of the Jewish tradition. Unlike Christianity, which teaches that a child is born into original sin and must be redeemed, Judaism teaches that the soul is pure -- only the penis needs "redemption." The truth is that the whole baby is pure, body and soul, including his tender genitals, and it is both a mitzvah and our most sacred duty to protect him.

A version of this article first appeared in Tikkun Magazine>.

 
 
 
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10:14 PM on 01/25/2012
If a growing number of Jews like Miriam Pollack can clearly see that circumcision is wrong and therefore that no "god" commanded any such thing, why isn't it logical to take the next step and conclude that other words and myths ascribed to "god" in both the Jewish scriptures and also the Christian New Testament are ALSO fictional ramblings and fantasies of humans with an agenda and/or vivid imaginations?
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10:58 PM on 01/22/2012
jewish Physician said, "The intactivis­t movement is a crime movement based upon hatred, pity and bigotry. That is what all who fight to destroy the priviledge of circumcisi­on."

Actually, the intactivist movement is trying to prevent the crime of forcing circumcision upon another. Every single intactivist I know has agreed that if a man grows up and wants to remove HIS OWN foreskin, then he should every right to do so. He could do so for religious reasons, or aesthetic reasons, or any reason he chooses. No one is trying to deny any one their freedoms.

But as long as INFANT circumcision continues, freedom (including religious freedom) is being taking away from that person. As a Jew who loves my religion, I want to see an end to INFANT circumcision (just like we no longer commit animal sacrifice, own slaves, etc.) so that Jews can choose to be cut or not, just like they can choose to keep kosher or not.
07:24 PM on 12/22/2011
A Zimbabwe government official just admitted that the circumcision campaign is *causing* HIV because men now think they're safe & don't need condoms. http://dailynews.co.zw/index.php/news/34-news/6026-circumcision-canal-for-new-hiv-infections.html

This is happening in Uganda as well. "A new report by PANOS Eastern Africa has shown that new HIV/Aids messages meant to reduce the prevalence of the disease are instead facilitating its spread as they have created false impressions, especially with regard to multiple concurrent partnerships and male circumcision. PANOS is a network of institutions world over that carries out research and documentation of development information in marginalised communities. http://allafrica.com/stories/201105050159.html

It's very unlikely that this is only happening in Zimbabwe and Uganda. That's only were we found some media coverage of it. Dr. Dean Edel warned about this long ago and asked "why would these men get their penises chopped if they didn't believe there was an enormous benefit, such as not having to use a condom?"
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Yeoman Roman
09:40 AM on 12/21/2011
"What I see is an attempt to defraud humanity"

It is funny you should put it that way because...

Circumcision is the fraud. Really it is.

It is medical fraud. It is sexual fraud. It it spiritual fraud. It does not make you a better person, or a better Jew, it doesn't make you a better lover, or make you healthier or live longer. That is fraud.

Of course this being true there would have to be a massive edifice of sophistry to keep it going. And that exists. In the AMA and in Judaism both.

It doesn't save your soul or make it intact. The soul is a fiction used to rationalize much in religion.
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JewishPhysician
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05:12 PM on 12/19/2011
I did in fact give a few moments to look at miriams diatribe again. What I see is an attempt to defraud humanity. In fact, perhaps she will think she get the "power" back that she perceives she has lost when a baby boy gets circumcised.
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Yeoman Roman
11:28 PM on 12/19/2011
"What I see is an attempt to defraud humanity. "

I see no evidence of that.

"In fact, perhaps she will think she get the "power" back that she perceives she has lost when a baby boy gets circumcise­d."

No evidence for this either. You don't seem to take yourself seriously, or you are unable to read and critically examine an essay that you disagree with. Strange!
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JewishPhysician
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12:13 AM on 12/20/2011
I have a life. Thanks. No garbage for me.
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Yeoman Roman
12:54 PM on 12/19/2011
"An orthodox rabbi interviewed by Eliyahu Unger-Sargon in his brilliant movie Cut: Slicing through the Myths of Circumcision stated unequivocally that circumcision was tantamount to sexual abuse. Yet this thoughtful man went on to justify the practice of circumcision for religious reasons, saying that this is where "the rubber hits the road" if you are a Jew. It is a commandment. We have no choice."

That was Rabbi J. Hershy Worch. He's interesting in that he's able to "compartmentalize" his mind so well. He's all about being "observant". Peculiar man.
12:35 PM on 12/19/2011
Thank you! Very well written article.Let's hope more people (mothers and fathers ) will stand up and say "NO" to this ritual.
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04:13 PM on 12/18/2011
Isn't is striking that nowhere in any of his many wide-ranging (not to say directionless) comments does JewishPhyisician ever engage with a single word that Miriam Pollack has written about circumcision, gender identiy or power. Has he even read her essay? Except that he seems to sincerely believe what he writes, he fulfils much of the definition of a troll.
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11:45 PM on 12/18/2011
Trolls do not get 'trolls' like yourself to smear and degrade their commentary with a NEW comment. I would think that my comments deal directly with the mess of the intactivism community. I need not give miriam a second read (unless I am really dry for entertainment) and thus I must remark that I already addressed any commentary of hers that stuck with me on the first read.
Good luck in your losing battle.
12:41 AM on 12/19/2011
Reminds me of a Stephen Leacock quote:
"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions."
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JewishPhysician
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03:54 AM on 12/19/2011
Wow. Tag team narcissists.
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Yeoman Roman
06:17 AM on 12/19/2011
The "madly off in all directions" fits our "doctor" to a T.

This is absolutely precious:
"I already addressed any commentary of hers that stuck with me on the first read. "

- So HIS lack of reading comprehension is her fault??? -Uh, huh!

Someone thought he's not a real doctor. I am wondering this too now. A doctor of what? He has too many misspellings that don't appear to be typos. "Apparantly" and "propeganda" for example. And the grammar varies a lot. It is just weird. Maybe he's dyslexic? No biggie of course.
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12:01 PM on 12/16/2011
"For it is a barbarous thing to meet a newly born infant with the knife, with a deliberate mutilation­. And the part that is removed is not negligible­; it has clear and valuable functions to perform. Not circumcisi­ng a boy will not only spare him a brutal violence as he enters life; it will promise him a richer existence.­"
~ George Wald, Jewish American scientist, Nobel Prize winner in Physiology or Medicine 1967

Wald had a LOT to say about circumcision, apparently little of it flattering. He did a very comprehensive analysis of it, one that is not widely known.

Circumcision. The closer you look at it, the worse it looks.
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02:52 PM on 12/16/2011
Funny, noone thinks of your mr. wald and his words are about as coy as a gerbil in a maze of lentils.
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Yeoman Roman
07:08 PM on 12/17/2011
Your commentary must be a reflection of your character and intelligence.

It's clear that your circumcision did nothing to help you in these areas.
10:53 AM on 12/16/2011
Christopher Hitchens debates Rabbi Harold Kushner on circumcision as they attempt to answer the question, "Why do good things happen to bad people?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93ZiR692l4

Regarding the Rabbi joking that statistically the only long term effect that circumcision seems to have on people is it increases their chance of winning a Nobel prize:

"For it is a barbarous thing to meet a newly born infant with the knife, with a deliberate mutilation. And the part that is removed is not negligible; it has clear and valuable functions to perform. Not circumcising a boy will not only spare him a brutal violence as he enters life; it will promise him a richer existence."
~ George Wald, Jewish American scientist, Nobel Prize winner in Physiology or Medicine 1967
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02:53 PM on 12/16/2011
The violence of a curse being removed? I think hes in great shape!
04:12 PM on 12/16/2011
And it is through superstiti­on that the practice of female circumcisi­on continues.

- girls who have not been mutilated will never have children
- at child birth, the uncut girl's baby will die upon touching the skin that should have been cut.
- if a man has sex with a girl who has not been mutilated, he will die.

These superstiti­ons perpetuate and continue the cycle of mutilation­.
01:13 PM on 12/18/2011
Oh boy, the foreskin is a curse? Great way to make yourself look as primitive and superstitious as any voodoo sorcerer. Which is precisely the case.
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08:42 AM on 12/16/2011
From peaceful parenting: MRI Studies: The Brain Permanently Altered From Infant Circumcision ''
http://www.drmomma.org/2009/10/mri-studies-brain-permanently-altered.html

"The baby was kept in the machine for several minutes to generate baseline data of the normal metabolic activity in the brain. This was used to compare to the data gathered during and after the surgery. Analysis of the MRI data indicated that the surgery subjected the infant to significant trauma. The greatest changes occurred in the limbic system concentrating in the amygdala and in the frontal and temporal lobes.

A neurologist who saw the results to postulated that the data indicated that circumcision affected most intensely the portions of the victim's brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. Follow up tests on the infant one day, one week and one month after the surgery indicated that the child's brain never returned to its baseline configuration. In other words, the evidence generated by this research indicated that the brain of the circumcised infant was permanently changed by the surgery."

Now we have evidence. - Doesn't matter to the "faithful". Sad.
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02:53 PM on 12/16/2011
wow. you really stretching here huh? Wow. I am really scared now!
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intactive
02:58 PM on 12/17/2011
It's not about you.
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Yeoman Roman
07:03 PM on 12/17/2011
Do you really want to sound like arrogant, mocking, thoroughly uninformed doctor? Because you do sound that way.
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Yeoman Roman
10:21 AM on 12/15/2011
""My positions are the norm. You are not going to win me over in any way. I am not the judge. I am the jury. ""

Monarchy was a norm.

Owning people as property was a norm.

Women not voting or owning property was a norm.

Times change.

Sometimes a whole generation has to die off. Yet, times change.
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01:06 PM on 12/15/2011
Times Change. Covenant stays the same.
10:12 PM on 12/15/2011
The covenant DID change--ca 550BCE when the priest changed it to add circumcision. it was not in the original.

Scholars David Rosenberg and Harold Bloom have published a full translation of the original version of Genesis, which dates from about 950 B.C. Here, Chapter 17 is conspicuously absent.

2. Rosenberg D, Bloom H (trans and eds). The Book of J. New York: Grove Weidenfeld;1990. p.79.

3.Hoffman LA. Covenant of Blood: Circumcision and Gender in Rabbinic Judaism. Chicago & London: University of Chicago Press; 1996.
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Yeoman Roman
08:11 AM on 12/16/2011
It is a covenant only if done to oneself.

It is abusive if done to children. A religion of abusers. I walked away from it.
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JewishPhysician
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04:20 AM on 12/15/2011
The intactivist movement is a crime movement based upon hatred, pity and bigotry. That is what all who fight to destroy the priviledge of circumcision.
09:08 PM on 12/15/2011
And how would you characterize those fighting against female circumcision? Are they not fighting to destroy the "privilege" of female circumcision?
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10:27 PM on 12/15/2011
Comparing evil with good is like eating out of your own pig sty. Have fun.
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intactive
03:33 AM on 12/16/2011
And what's wrong with pity?
04:12 PM on 12/18/2011
It gets in the way of blood rituals.
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03:26 AM on 12/15/2011
When I think of Intact, I think of something that is whole. To me, a penis that is uncircumcised is like a ring that has a tag attached. When you purchase a ring, it has a price tag attached. Noone would wear that ring with a tag attached. Thus noone would live without being circumcised, at least in the Jewish faith among others. Just a concept for you to consider.
Being intact really is important. But leaving the price tag on makes it pristine from the store and really not exactly wearable. And thus you are really not intact in your being and soul.
If you really want to legislate for intactness of the human soul, I would certainly be advocating jewish circumcision.
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Yeoman Roman
11:11 AM on 12/15/2011
4000 hits not bad!

Well, being intact is important. Google "I love foreskin" and you'll find a video by a gracious and very balanced individual who is campaigning for equality.

She gives her opinion on intact men verses cut and got 8000 hits in two weeks. You can see her work here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BPEWw2Fi5Q
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01:03 PM on 12/15/2011
I am intact. Thank you. I am not interested in your propeganda. bye bye.
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intactive
03:12 PM on 12/15/2011
A price tag? Yes:
"I have some good friends who are obstetricians outside the military, and they look at a foreskin and almost see a $125 price tag on it. Each one is that much money. Heck, if you do 10 a week, that's over $1,000 a week, and they don't take that much time."

- Dr.Thomas Wiswell,
quoted in "The Age-Old Question of Circumcision"
by Betsy A. Lehman, Boston Globe, June 22, 1987, p. 43

But the point is not what "a penis that is uncircumci­sed is like" to you. It's what a whole, complete, un-interfered-with penis is, to him.
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Yeoman Roman
05:33 PM on 12/14/2011
Suppose I wanted to start my own religion and said that penis cutting was the central tenet that gave meaning to my religious life.

Suppose I said that adults could chose freely to join me in this religion.

Suppose for adults to join, I said that such adults HAD to cut the penises of their children.

How would this go over? Do I have the right to say "It's my religion." No. Religion may NOT be practiced on the body of another person.

Judaism and Islam has gotten a pass on this, that has no ethical basis. It will end just like wife slavery and animal sacrifice did.
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08:02 PM on 12/14/2011
Suppose you are sounding desperate.
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Yeoman Roman
09:02 AM on 12/15/2011
"Suppose you are sounding desperate. "

Not at all. When you get 10 favorites, DO write me.