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Posted: June 25, 2010 11:47 AM

Congressional Liberals and Israel: Ignorance Combined With Cynicism

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It is becoming clearer every day that liberals in Congress, with a few exceptions, do not care a whole lot about Israel. (It's not news that they don't care a whit about the Palestinians.)

Think about it.

On other foreign policy issues they ask questions, try to discern whether a policy makes sense, and usually choose diplomacy over war. That has been true since the latter days of the Vietnam War (the Iraq war was the notable and tragic exception).

The last thing anyone expects congressional liberals to say is, "I trust the President's policy, no matter what it is. War works for me."

But, when it comes to the Middle East, the same liberals invariably salute, support, and rush to the House and Senate floors to express enthusiastic solidarity with the Israeli prime minister. (Check out these AIPAC letters, signed by 86 senators and, so far, 311 House members, endorsing without reservation Israel's blockade of Gaza and the attack on the flotilla.)

In our Congress, the Israeli prime minister is always right. That is, until he is defeated by the next prime minister -- who, in turn, inherits the mantle of infallibility.

Some people look at this phenomenon and say that these senators and representatives are more loyal to Israel than to the United States.

That analysis is wrong.

I worked on Capitol Hill for more than 15 years (House and Senate), and I can say with certainty that these seeming "Israel firsters" do not, with few exceptions, care all that much about Israel.

They do care about this country. And that is why they don't knowingly support destructive policies for America -- while insouciantly supporting them when it comes to Israel.

Take Sen. Chuck Schumer, for example. Watch him discuss domestic issues. Note how much he seems to have studied them (although he sometimes reaches the wrong conclusions). Notice how happily engaged he is when talking about them.

Then watch him talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Not only is he ignorant of the facts, the history, and the changes in the contours of the issue, he seems not to care at all. He is going through the motions.

Schumer does not care enough about Israel to expend any political (or real) capital on it. He'll just say what he thinks he has to say and quickly move on to issues he does care about, issues that he thinks relate directly to the lives of Americans.

He is far from alone.

Most of his Democratic colleagues in the Senate and House operate the same way for the same reason. They support bad Israeli policies, and sign those "Israel, right or wrong" letters only because that is the path of least resistance. I doubt there are 30 Democrats in both houses together who really think attacking the flotilla was right, but hundreds signed the letters anyway.

So why do they do it?

They do it because they don't care about the issue enough to risk the lobby's wrath. As with Republicans and the NRA, the lobby's wish is their command. (See this excellent analysis by Jim Lobe about how the process works on the Hill.)

In one sense, there is nothing wrong with this path of least resistance politics. Supporting the AIPAC/Netanyahu line is risk free. And it sure does bring in lots of campaign money, money that helps liberals win elections. That helps preserve the careers of some outspoken progressive voices (on other issues, anyway).

Of course that is an expedient, even cynical, way of thinking about this issue. (But, hey, we are talking about Congress.)

It also ignores two important factors.

The first is that US policy on Israel/Palestine directly affects US interests worldwide. That was obvious long before General David Petraeus said it.

The Israeli-Palestinian issue is the only issue on which Arabs and Muslims worldwide are united in opposition to US policies. Sunni or Shiite, Egyptian or Indonesian, public opinion in the Muslim world favors ending the occupation. And that means, as Petraeus suggested, that our position on this issue endangers Americans in the Middle East and, no doubt, elsewhere.

Moreover, the banner of "Palestine" is a recruiting poster for anti-American terrorism. We have been lucky so far, but everyone knows that the Palestinian issue can blow back here in America (which is why synagogues and other Jewish facilities here are guarded by the police on Jewish holidays and, in some localities, all the time).

Resolving this conflict fairly -- i.e., ending the occupation with an agreement that guarantees the sovereignty and security of Israel and Palestine -- is one of the most effective things the Obama administration can do for US security.

But the security of Israel should matter too.

I am not saying that American legislators must care about Israel (that is not in their job descriptions), but those who profess to care should not be supporting policies that, left unchecked, will bring about the end of Israel as a Jewish state.

But that is where the Israeli government's current policies are leading, with the help of its congressional enablers.

The flotilla attack left Israel more isolated than at any time in its history. And Israelis know it. The other day, in Knesset, Netanyahu spoke in near hysterical terms about Israel's terrible position (blaming everything on Israel haters and anti-Semites, of course). He is clearly scared... for his political future. Other than the United States government (which did so under pressure), no other government supported the attack that left nine Turks dead.

Even worse, the attack produced a rupture in Israeli-Turkish relations. Turkey has been Israel's ally since the Jewish state was created. But the Gaza invasion, the blockade, and then the attack on the flotilla seriously damaged Israeli-Turkish relations. A full diplomatic break, which may be coming, would be disastrous for Israel.

Imagine losing a strategic relationship with Turkey in favor of a blockade that Netanyahu now admits is unnecessary to Israel's security!

But these are the policies that Israel's supposed friends in Congress say they support.

Bottom line: They aren't friends. They are doing what AIPAC and the House and Senate Democratic campaign committees (run by Chuck Schumer and Chris Van Hollen) tell them they must do to do as they head into November. It's about the donors. If we had public financing of campaigns those AIPAC letters signed by hundreds would instead be signed by a few dozen.

I should mention that the Republicans are no better (they are no worse either). But they are hawks, neocons and Christian fundamentalists (whose "support" for Israel is all about bringing on the Rapture). For them, supporting Netanyahu's policies is not primarily about kissing up to a lobby and raising money, it is who they are.

It's the congressional Democrats (with some wonderful and rare exceptions) who are the hypocrites.

AIPAC calls them "stalwart friends" of Israel and honors them for their "courage." Well, they are "stalwart friends" of AIPAC. That's for sure.

But Israel, not so much.

In fact the people who should honor them are the "one-state" activists. After all, the policies these guys support will inevitably lead to one state, for Israelis and Palestinians together. That is not necessarily a terrible idea if it ends the suffering and allows both people to live together in peace and with security. But it would end Israel as a Jewish state, a state it took 1,900 years to re-create.

Is that what these members of Congress want?

Nah. I doubt they have given it much of a thought -- much like the security of Israel itself.

 

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It is becoming clearer every day that liberals in Congress, with a few exceptions, do not care a whole lot about Israel. (It's not news that they don't care a whit about the Palestinians.) Think abo...
It is becoming clearer every day that liberals in Congress, with a few exceptions, do not care a whole lot about Israel. (It's not news that they don't care a whit about the Palestinians.) Think abo...
 
 
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02:08 PM on 07/17/2010
After reading this excellent perspective on I/P I was thinking of the public service admonition "friends do not let friends drive drunk". Also I never understood the Israelis' appreciation for the "Rapture" crowd. If ever there was a group that only cared about themselves it is them. I believe each one of them thinks that if the rapture comes in their lifetime they won't have to experience death. I always tell them that the true "saints" would want to stay behind to help those suffering so they wouldn't get scooped up anyway. Lately I have seen how extreme the hard right is in Israel itself. I remember reading an article about orthodox Jews spitting on someone for doing something in their neighborhood on the Sabbath that they wouldn't do. I don't remember what it was but it was something I am sure anyone else would consider benign. These people seemed to have forgotten the God of love and substituted fundamentalism. So in general its the fundamentalists and the hawks I see as the obstruction to progress on both sides of the issue.
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02:41 PM on 06/30/2010
Here a good fact for a future blog that ties in with this.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/israel.eu

The moment our media is more free, like Europe's media, things will change, if not sooner. The internet is working. The Left has departed its dear pro-Israel leaders.
08:51 AM on 06/27/2010
Well, well! Another article by MJ I have difficulty understanding. It must be my age. In Europe we see more and more reactions to the onslaught of Arab attacks and attempts by muslim to take over society. Agree with that, or disagree with that, but there appears to be a swing to the right, politically, and that is not good for anyone. Someone like Geert Wilders would not have had a chance in hell several decades ago, now he is gaining influence. A swing to the right, and to Republicans in the fall, and thereafter is just what the Netanyahu crowd wishes for. They have a problem with the policies of Mr. Obama. So, if MJ gets his wish, then Netanyahu and Israeli rightwingers will get their wish as well. I am so confused. Is MJ not AGAINST Netanyahu? The current government in Israel, by the way, was also elected as a rightwing swing against liberal policies vs Palestinians, which did not work. People were fed up with the kassams. They still are.
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eileenflemingWAWA
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04:02 PM on 06/28/2010
During one of my 7 trips to Israel Palestine since 2005, I attended Sabeel's [Arabic for The Way] 7th International Conference: THE NAKBA: MEMORY, REALITY AND BEYOND and Rashid Khaladi stated: "Everywhere except in America, the Palestinian narrative is well known."
http://www.wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1112&Itemid=212

True that Hamas launched an upsurge in rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza once it declared an end to a truce with Israel on 19 December 2008 and by 15 January 2009, since the beginning of the IDF operation in Gaza (Dec 27, 2008), four Israelis had been killed and 285 wounded by rocket fire. 771 rockets and mortars had been fired at Israel.

Also true that Operation Cast Lead; a full-scale attack on Gaza killed 13 Israelis and 1,400 Palestinians. Over 5,000 Palestinians were injured, 400,000 were left without running water, 4,000 homes were destroyed, rendering tens of thousands who are still homeless because of Israel's targeted attacks upon them, their schools, hospitals, streets, water wells, sewage system, farms, police stations and UN buildings.

The 22 days of Israel's attack on the people of Gaza was also enabled by US-supplied weapons and we the people of the US who pay taxes provide over $3 billion annually to Israel although Israel has consistently misused U.S. weapons in violation of America's Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts...

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1523&Itemid=227
07:35 AM on 06/27/2010
"the attack that left nine Turks dead."
Small correction : 8 Turks and 1 American (Dogan, who was not a Turkish national).
08:58 AM on 06/27/2010
Second correction. The attack was by the Turks. Their attempt was to break the blockade which is legal according to the Quartet and others. It was NOT about bringing aid to the Gaza Palestinians. If that were the case the ship would have docked where all the others docked. If you attempt an attack on a nation's sovereignty, it is rational to expect some counter action. Lebanon has been warned also not to sail to Gaza, as was Iran. Iran was smart, and cancelled their flotilla. Lebanon, of course, could easily transport any aid to Gaza overland. The stated objective by Lebanon leaves no misunderstandings.When Israel handed over Gaza to the Palestinians it retained sovereignty of territorial waters.It is time for the Palestinians to come down to earth, make Peace with Israel and come to the negotiating table. Palestinians need jobs, they should be allowed to vote their own destiny, and they need leadership.
11:07 AM on 06/27/2010
"the blockade which is legal according to the Quartet and others."
- Um, no, it's a closure designed to humiliate and control the civilian population, and it's illegal. Since when is the "Quartet" a reference on international and maritime law? lol.
"It was NOT about bringing aid to the Gaza Palestinians."
- This is partly true, it was also to heighten media awareness, since most people in the West don't even know what a Palestinian is, nor where Gaza is, for that matter. Everybody knows that the Israeli authorities do NOT deliver all the aid to Gaza that they are given. Even the Red Cross and the UN know this - you apparently know better, though.
"Lebanon, of course, could easily transport any aid to Gaza overland."
- Again, it is clear that not all the aid is actually reaching Gazans.
"When Israel handed over Gaza to the Palestinians it retained sovereignty of territorial waters."
- This is called a blockade. According to the laws of war, they must declare war on someone - who have they declared war on?
"It is time for the Palestinians to come down to earth, make Peace with Israel and come to the negotiating table. Palestinians need jobs, they should be allowed to vote their own destiny, and they need leadership."
- You are reading from a script, and you are a fool, sorry for being so blunt.
http://www.redress.cc/palestine/rforer20100621
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JibberJabberwocky
02:36 PM on 06/29/2010
"When Israel handed over Gaza to the Palestinians it retained sovereignty of territorial waters. "

You can't 'retain' something you don't have a legal claim to. You can take something by force, but that doesn't mean you have any legitimate claim of ownership.
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12:52 PM on 06/26/2010
Here's an Israeli view of US congressional politics from Amos Harel, Haaretz:

"The hope in the Prime Minister's Bureau is that the Republicans will foment a small miracle in the midterm elections this November, after which President Obama will lose his appetite for another public clash with Israel. Even now, Obama has plenty of problems, the latest of which is his dismissal of the commander of the NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

Until it becomes clear which way the wind is blowing, Netanyahu will probably not make a decision: He only does so when a pistol is pointed at his forehead, which is the way he likes it - as he showed again this week when he was forced to ease the Gaza blockade in the wake of the botched flotilla raid. "
12:32 PM on 06/26/2010
MJ Rosenberg: Ignorance Combined with More Ignorance
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eileenflemingWAWA
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08:17 AM on 06/26/2010
"Missing from Israel’s SECURUTY framing is the very fact of occupation, which Israel both denies exists…and that SECURITY requires Israel control over the entire country…rendering impossible a just peace based on human rights, international law, reconciliation."- American Israeli, Prof. Jeff Halper, "Obstacles to Peace, A Re-Framing of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict"

Jeff also informed me that while Prime Minister, "Tony Blair said 70% of all the conflicts in the world can be traced back to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. This conflict impacts the global community and especially everyone in the USA. This whole issue is based on Human Rights and it is a global issue requiring global intervention.

"Israel denies there is an occupation, so everything is reduced to terrorism. It is our job to insist upon the human rights issue, for occupied people have International Law on their side..."

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1673&Itemid=231

We the people are suppose to be the government and an engaged citizenry can enlighten and lead leaders whose first love is maintaining their own power.

This little one is doing what I can: sending the 88 Congressional reps with You Tube Channels and Obama my YT messages, such as:

Love, Truth and Jihad, There's Nothing Christian about Zionism, Vanunu's Message to Hillary Clinton re: The Wall, God's Side and The 9th of Av: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9, etc:

http://www.youtube.com/user/eileenfleming
11:01 AM on 06/26/2010
Excellent, and I couldn't agree more. The first step is human rights for both sides, not pie in the sky talk about a two-state solution.
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Markovich
02:43 PM on 06/30/2010
Uh, that's called a constitution.

Israel will NEVER DRAFT ONE that creates human rights. I guess you don't get the game. Human rights = constitution which = one state.
06:16 PM on 06/27/2010
If you insist on being at war, you can not expect that one side is allowed to wage war and the other side should sit still, say amen, and accept that. Palestinians are waging war and have done so from the day Israel was created. I can see Palestinians' point of view. However, there is another point of view. If some non-nation entity is at war with you, attacks you, and keeps it up, that *entity* can reasonably expect some counter action, and if they lose territory in the process, that could have been foreseen as a posssibility. I really do not think that the world is waiting for any of us, posting comment hre, to enlighten nations' governments. And, yes, of course, there is nothing Christian about Zionism, however, Christians may agree with Zionism and the right of Israel to exist. We the people* are supposeD to elect our government. Yes, that is so true, and you, Eileen, are not a citizen of Israel, I take it? You vote in the country where YOU have citizenship. Refugees also have International Law on their side. For most refugees that status remains in effect for five years only. For Palestinians, however, a.o. in Lebanon, that is a continuing status. They are not allowed to have property rights, to vote, to apply for citizenship, therefore they are denied basic human rights.Hamas and the PA also will not allow Palestinians to vote. Denial of Huiman Rights.
07:37 AM on 06/26/2010
"The American people support Israel, American politicians simply reflect that, no matter how much you try to dig to find other reasons."

After the Jewish Holocaust, I believe that most Americans supported the creation of a Jewish state, and for decades after we just check the "Yes on Israel" box, because that's what we had always done. For years, our media reported the conflicts in the middle east from Israel's point of view and no one questioned it. Israelis = good, Palestinians = evil. Since we were all so complacent, so were our politicians. I'll bet 90% of the American people weren't even aware that Israel had an ongoing blockage against Gaza for over 3 year. I believe Americans are slowly changing. The support for Israel is no longer absolute, it's eroding daily as more people become aware of what Israel has done to their Arab neighbors. Through the internet, we're able to hear what the other side has to say and see what has been done to them. Yes, the majority of Americans still complacently support Israel, but if Israel continues down this same path, more Americans will wake up to the face that Israel is not the good guy.
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08:22 AM on 06/26/2010
Before 9/11, I was your typical uninformed, misinformed, comfortably numb American.

THAT DAY changed everything and my first of 7 trips to Israel Palestine in 2005, irrevocably changed my life, because I knew I had to take a side.

"There comes a time comes when silence is betrayal...History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.

"We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims...We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

"Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the question: is it politic? Vanity asks the question: is it popular?

"But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular- but one must take it simply because it is right."-Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.

Eileen Fleming, Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu"
Founder of WeAreWideAwake.org
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Alex Young
12:23 AM on 06/27/2010
fanned and faved!
11:30 AM on 06/26/2010
Very true. I always assumed everything had to be the Palestinians fault because our media and government always portrayed them as the aggressors. I knew of the conflict and Israel bombing Gaza into rubble, but I have to admit, I wasn't aware of the continuing blockage.
12:15 PM on 06/26/2010
About 15-16 years ago, I read an AP story in the LA Times about some Israeli teenagers who defiantly went on a pilgrimage through a Palestinian settlement. One of the girls was shot and killed. The story of the "barbaric Palestinians that murdered a helpless child" made the front page.
A couple of days later, it was determined that one of Israeli had accidently shot and killed the girl, that the Palestinians had nothing to do with her death. This second story was not on the front page. The last sentence of this article was something to the effect that after determining the Palestinians had not shot the girl, the Israel army discontinued the destruction of the Palestinians settlement.
I had to read this last line twice, I thought I had incorrectly read it, because I couldn't believe that Israel would destroy a whole community over the death of one person. I also couldn't believe that the LA Times would just reprint the AP story without comment. There was no followup story, no outrage. The death of one Israeli made international headlines, but there wasn't a peep over Israel destroying the homes of hundreds of innocent people.
02:43 AM on 06/26/2010
I say Rosenberg for US Congress. Down side of course would be we would no longer get beautiful articles such as this one.
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eileenflemingWAWA
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08:25 AM on 06/26/2010
I say we the regular people need to take back The House! It is one of my dreams to be a Representative-and I am looking for a District that would support a Peace and Justice candidate who honors our Founding Father's:

"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine

"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all...and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave...a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils."-George Washington's Farewell Address - 1796
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10:09 AM on 06/26/2010
Applaud your courage, stand and desire for House membership and would encourage it, but....

Check out The Israeli Lobby video on Youtube where Richard Pearle talks about the Congressional seat and the support of Israel. One without the other is near impossible.
12:28 PM on 06/26/2010
Thanks for the response Eileen! I am aware that you personally took on the Palestinian trajedy and dedicated a website to their cause, hosting 3 Million visitors since 05, a clear demonstration of your high morals, dedication and courage. I agree with your personal conviction that the Palestinian people, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike are currently suffering from great injustices in what once was their land and that it is the duty of all Americans to voice their concern about their ongoing inhumane situation and uncivil treatment.

http://wearewideawake.org/

You touched up on a hot topic deeply embedded in our beliefs as Americans, the separation of Church and State. Ironically enough, this is the core of the problem in today's Israel as the Torah, just like any other holy book is subject to interpretation and is often used as an effective tool by radicals to induce differentiation and despise. Mike makes the good point that only under a "two state" solution can Israel remain a Jewish state - as a "one state" solution would necessitate equality for all faiths and therefore the separation of Church and State, if Israel is to remain a democracy.

Should and when you decide to run for the House of Representatives, be asured that you do have my vote. God bless you and you are fanned.
07:07 PM on 06/25/2010
vlady - it is indeed, but lets be honest now, it sure does give new meaning to the term occupied territory..:)..we can add US congress, to Gaza and the WB now..:)
06:32 PM on 06/25/2010
Excellent, enlighten and eye opening article. As a duel Israeli/US national I obviously follow those members of congress, attitude and stance on the Israeli issue.
Their blind support to anything, and I repeat ANYTHING, Israel does, does not stop to amaze me.
At times they sound like the official Israeli government spokesperson; same talking points, same sentences, same propaganda.
It is obvious they know very little of what they talking about, this author sheds some light on their motivation and the mechanics behind.
Thank you Mr. Rosenberg for this eye popping, great article.
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Better Late
06:41 PM on 06/25/2010
"I repeat ANYTHING, Israel does, does not stop to amaze me. "

Me too. Israel is an increasable country.
10:12 AM on 06/29/2010
Did you mean to say increasable, or maybe increasing?
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eileenflemingWAWA
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08:32 AM on 06/26/2010
Shortly after my first of seven trips to occupied Palestine, I had an email exchange with an Episcopal priest, about the cult of Christian Zionism:

I asked that priest to consider the fact that blind allegiance to the Israeli government has allowed our 'best friend' in the world to become a very big bully.

I reminded that priest that God is always on the side of the oppressed and if we truly love our friends, we hold them accountable for their bad behavior, and that what ever we do-or do NOT do unto the 'least among us' we do it or NOT unto God!

I alerted that priest that the Israeli government is using uninformed, misinformed Christians like him to become apologists in support of their agenda of illegal occupation and illegal settlements in the West Bank, occupied east Jerusalem, Golan, and Gaza, on literal biblical misinterpretations taken out of context.

I admonished that priest to consider how blind allegiance to every act of Israel as being orchestrated by God and therefore is to be condoned, supported, and even praised, is heresy!

I angered that priest when I said that whenever religion and politics get in bed together, we the people for justice and peace always get screwed!

After three email exchanges, I never heard from that priest again; but I learned that he had moved to Jerusalem and was now working at Yad Vashem.

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1766&Itemid=234
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tallen
panem et circenses
06:22 PM on 06/25/2010
mj, you'll be complaining about American support for Israel forever.
You know why?
Because the vast majority of Americans support Israel
The House and the Senate merely reflect the will of their constituents.
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barefoot2626
01:30 PM on 06/26/2010
Congress reflects the will of AIPAC which gives Congress millions in campaign contributions every year. If Congress reflected the will of Americans, they would pass a gun control bill but they do not: NRA contributes millions of dollars in campaign contributions every year.

Americans will at some point realize that Israel is a billion dollar tapeworm causing grievous damage to their image in the eyes of a majority of the rest of the world.
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05:55 PM on 06/26/2010
February 24, 2010
Support for Israel in U.S. at 63%, Near Record High
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126155/support-israel-near-record-high.aspx

AIPAC does not even make it to the top 100 in dollar amount contributions.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A
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Anytime the mods are ready...
06:20 PM on 06/25/2010
Mr. Rosenberg, can you give me one good reason from the point of view of an American politician to support the Palestinians over Israel on any level?

The American people support Israel, American politicians simply reflect that, no matter how much you try to dig to find other reasons. They don't need to be that educated about the issues, they need to be educated about what their constituency wants.
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barefoot2626
01:12 PM on 06/26/2010
Stop speaking for Americans, you do not speak for anyone else except yourself.

People who served this country remember as I do the unprovoked assault in international waters of the AMERICAN ship by Israel, and their machine gunning of our sailors as they tried to escape into life rafts.

Speak for yourself. You obviously have no need for education on these issues, you have the hasbara script, a firm grasp of Israelis talking points, and no need to think for yourself.

Remember the Liberty- I say that as an American who has served my country.
09:10 AM on 06/27/2010
Well, barefoot, StCuthbert merely stated, that American politicians do not need to be *EDUCATED* by da Rosy. Of course, he is a great authority, as he announces each time he writes yet another blog, but, be that as it may, there are issues and facts, known to Congress, da Rosy and all of us, are not familiar with. And, education is not an issue to get elected or remain in Congress. People in the U.S. VOTE and elect politicians, send them to Congress, to do what THEY want, not what da Rosy wants, or Palestinians want. Nothing to do with any hasbara script. I have been accused of using hasbara, but I have no earthly idea what hasbara is, or where one may find those talking points. I am just an 76 yr old granny, using my own logic. The post you replied to did NOT speak for Americans but stated what gets politicians American votes. U.S. voters vote their self-interest. I think they might not like to be attacked by terrorists, for example.
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You're either with Humanity or you're not.
05:04 PM on 06/25/2010
Canada is as much as push-over for CIPAC as the American verison. All political parties are vying for the Jewish vote strung out between Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto. Harper is such an Israeli-firster. He said nothing about the Lebanon bombing until he was pressured too as well as the Gaza Massacre. Harper got an award for his promotion of Israel in Canada. (Thanks, but no thanks.) He has lost all his objectivity on the Middle East due his Israeli-firster. Jason Kenny, Minister of Foreign Affairs, is in the same position. He pretty much declared more sanctions on Iran. What does Iran have to do with Canadian interests?! Our foreign policy is run by the US/UK/Israel. I want my country back.
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06:44 PM on 06/25/2010
"Our foreign policy is run by the US/UK/Israel. I want my country back."

To middle ages
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You're either with Humanity or you're not.
07:22 PM on 06/25/2010
WE are living in a modern day neo-fedualistic society anyway.
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11:02 AM on 06/26/2010
Could the next wave of immigartion be to Canada ?

Bibi was in Canada before he rushed home to handle the flotilla fiasco.
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01:59 PM on 06/25/2010
You have, incidentally, explained the behavior of Canadian parliamentarians as well. Though we are not plagued with the politics of campaign funding in quite the way you are, our politicians take the same approach regarding Israel: it's all fine.

Politicians can't be expected to read beyond propaganda any more than the rest of us even though they are the "Professionals" backed up by research staffs. That's why popular protest is so important. Getting in the way of the day-to-day, making a nuisance and choosing to annoy at every opportunity, is the best way to drag the issue onto the domestic agenda -- the only one that counts. North Americans who are pro-Palestinian may be more effective at home than abroad.
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Vlady
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02:53 PM on 06/25/2010
"making a nuisance and choosing to annoy at every opportunity, " very instructive to Israel haters. But on one occasion Your followers are being suspended. So it does not work as smoothly as desired
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/14/uc-irvine-suspends-muslim_n_611435.html
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Vlady
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03:22 PM on 06/25/2010
"making a nuisance and choosing to annoy at every opportunity" is very instructive and instrumental to students

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/14/uc-irvine-suspends-muslim_n_611435.html