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Ehud Barak: Iran Nuclear Program Not About Israel

Posted: 11/18/11 10:13 AM ET

The classic definition of a campaign gaffe is when a politician inadvertently speaks a truth that will hurt him politically. The first George Bush gaffed when he said that the idea that cutting taxes would increase government revenue was "voodoo economics." Similarly it was a gaffe when Barak Obama said that insecure right-wingers "cling" to religion and guns. In other words, a gaffe is a politically inconvenient truth.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud gaffed big time this week. In fact, this gaffe is even more colossal than when he said back in 1999 that if he was a stateless young Palestinian, he would "have joined one of the terror organizations." Barak got away with that one perhaps because most Israelis could easily imagine that the most decorated military officer in Israel's history would indeed fight any enemy oppressing his people, by any means at his disposal. The man is, if nothing else, a fighter.

But Barak's remark this week is breathtaking in both its honesty and in its utter deviation from the Israeli government line that has not only been sold to the Israeli people but also to the United States government -- especially to Congress where anything from Bibi Netanyahu's office is treated as gospel.

Appearing on the Charlie Rose show on PBS, Barak was asked if he would want nuclear weapons if he was an Iranian government minister. He said he probably would.

Probably, probably. I know it's not -- I don't delude myself that they are doing it just because of Israel. They look around, they see the Indians are nuclear, the Chinese are nuclear, the Pakistanis are nuclear, not to mention the Russians.

Barak won't "delude" himself with the belief that Iran's nuclear weapon program is "just because of Israel."

Well, it's always nice to be true to yourself. (After the Israeli right went ballistic over Barak's remarks, he qualified them but, in such a half-hearted way, that it is clear that what he said on PBS was what he believes).

Of course, he and Netanyahu, not to mention a host of officials in successive Israeli governments for 15 years have deluded the entire world on the idea that Iran seeks nuclear weapons for the purpose of destroying Israel.

Over and over again, Israeli officials have said that the Iran government is insane with anti-Semitism, so insane that it would joyfully nuke Israel without any regard for the fact that Israel has 200 land, air, and sea-based missiles that could kill millions of Iranians. They have cited as evidence Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial, essentially arguing that it proves that Iran's goal is a holocaust.

Netanyahu himself has said that this is 1938 or 1942, and Jews are facing a threat as direct and demonic as Hitler's. They have pointed to Ahmadinejad's and the mullahs' hatred for Israel and support for anti-Israel terrorist groups as proof that Iran would commit national suicide to destroy Israel, becoming, in fact, the first nation in history to commit suicide in order to destroy another. But, we are told, Iranians are Shiite fanatics who prefer death to life, but especially the death of Jews (not including the Jews who live in Iran, however).

Accordingly, the leading advocates for "crippling sanctions" against Iran and for keeping the "bomb Iran" option "on the table" have been the right-wing "pro-Israel" organizations led by AIPAC, its Congressional cutouts and, in the blogosphere, Commentary, which is the mouthpiece of the neoconservative movement.

That is because Iranian nuclear weapons are portrayed, first and foremost, as an "existential threat" to Israel. Only later do the "bomb Iran" advocates get around to mentioning the possible threat to southern Europe or that Iran might share its nuclear technology with terror groups. That is why Barak's statement is such good news.

With one honest comment, he demonstrated that the hysteria surrounding an Iranian bomb is phony. It is, in fact, not about an "existential threat" to Israel but about two countries competing for regional hegemony.

Israelis don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon because if it does, Israel will not be free to do whatever it wants to in the Middle East, whenever it wants to. As for Iran, the Washington Post reported this week that support for nuclear development is universal, with the Green Movement and supporters of Ahmadinejad united in the belief that Iran has the same right to nuclear development that other countries have. The Iranian government knows that going nuclear makes it a bigger player (a more meddlesome one, no doubt) in the region which is far from desirable but which hardly merits launching a war.

This is not to say that the world community should not do what it can to deter Iran from achieving nuclear bombs. Another nuclear armed country -- especially one run by a radical, terror supporting bunch of clerics -- is the last thing the world needs. But the way to deter Iran is to negotiate with it, not bomb it and not inflict "crippling sanctions" on its people either. Bombing should be off the table; diplomacy should be on it.

As for Israel, it has every right to be concerned about a nuclear-armed Iran, even with its own huge nuclear arsenal. But it does not have the right to steam roll Americans into supporting (or waging) a war that would jeopardize all our vital interests in the Middle East -- from our military and civilian personnel to our oil supply.

Israel's primary concern rightly is its own survival. But it is not an Iranian bomb that threatens that survival nearly as much as the war Netanyahu might launch ostensibly to deter it.

Meir Dagan, the Mossad chief who retired early this year, calls bombing Iran a "stupid idea." He says:

A military attack will give the Iranians the best excuse to pursue the nuclear race. Khamenei will say 'I was attacked by a country with nuclear capabilities; my nuclear program was peaceful, but I must protect my country.'

He adds that any attack on Iran would lead Hizbullah to let fly its thousands of missiles against Israeli cities, missiles infinitely more numerous, deadly and sophisticated than anything Hamas has.

Another ex-Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy says Iran does not present an existential threat to Israel. "The State of Israel cannot be destroyed but "an attack on Iran could affect not only Israel, but the entire region for 100 years."

And now we have Defense Minister Ehud Barak's admission that the Israeli campaign to rush the U.S. and Israel itself into war is based on, at best hype and at worst lies. Just like Iraq.

Are we really going to fall for this a second time? I don't think so because, to put it simply, we aren't that stupid. As that old adage goes: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

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The classic definition of a campaign gaffe is when a politician inadvertently speaks a truth that will hurt him politically. The first George Bush gaffed when he said that the idea that cutting taxes ...
The classic definition of a campaign gaffe is when a politician inadvertently speaks a truth that will hurt him politically. The first George Bush gaffed when he said that the idea that cutting taxes ...
 
 
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thankgodimanatheist8
The answer to fools is silence
10:59 PM on 11/21/2011
The failure of super congress is a victory for world peace.

Get rid of Bush tax cuts and lets start looking after our own interests.

Jobs, not more wars is what we need.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
05:41 PM on 11/26/2011
Not necessarily. It could also lead to an unraveling of the agreement to either go with the supercommittee's decision or take the 'sequestered' cuts.
thankgodimanatheist8
The answer to fools is silence
05:50 PM on 11/26/2011
lets hope not
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
05:32 PM on 11/21/2011
Mr Rosenberg. Once again I am impressed with your comments.However I believe that you have glossed over the obvious solution. Iran is seeking nuclear weapons according to you in order to achieve regional hegemony. It levels the playing field with Israel.

Surely another way of leveling the field and removing the need for Iran to seek such weapons, would be to get Israel to give up its Weapons. I would suggests a nuclear free middle east is the better solution for the rest of the world.
thankgodimanatheist8
The answer to fools is silence
10:59 PM on 11/21/2011
Iran has been asking for that for many years now.
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EdwardMRoche
10:25 AM on 11/21/2011
The Government of Israel does not need back seat drivers in the United States or anywhere else to "help" it determine its security interests.

Note that the intelligence chiefs that frequently are quoted never say there is no threat, existential or otherwise, only that the way to deal with it may not be a series of bombing runs, and they certainly do not say the threat should be ignored.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
03:13 PM on 11/22/2011
israel doesn't need back seat drivers in the US, just the 3 billion dollars a year of US aid they provide.
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Alexey Braguine
Author of Kingmaker, a novel
08:57 AM on 11/21/2011
Of course, for Israel it is impossible to become a Persian gulf or Middle East hegemon. Since it has gained control of the US Congress, Netanyahu has developed an incredible arrogance which leads him to think this control is permanent, that AIPAC is invincible.

This arrogance has led to the issue of the flawed IAEA report in the hope of using it to instigate a war and use American power to loot Iran and gain control of the Gulf area.

What Netanyahu has not taken into account, since it didn´t exist two months ago, is the OWS, a growing, uncontrollable movement which has upended the political calculus in the US. Will the present administration go into another war knowing that this will create a social explosion not only in the Middle East but that there won´t be enough cops at home?

Present, corrupt US lawmakers beholden to AIPAC, which is a de facto foreign agent should count the days they have left in their seats or start scrambling to withdraw their pledges of loyalty to Israel.
10:42 PM on 11/20/2011
Iran and Israel had been allies before the Iranian revolution and have more interests in common than they have quarrels. Iran’s anti-Zionist stance is not to be confused with anti-Semitism. Throughout history, the Persians have helped the Jews many times, from Cyrus the great, to Polish refugees in WWII. The Polish cemeteries are still there as is the Jewish community of 2500 years ago. Taking an anti-Zionist stance helps the regime politically on the Arab streets. Iranian regime would gain no support from the people if it started a war by attacking Israel. But defending their country is another story as they have shown during the Iraq war. If it were not for Saddam attacking Iran after the revolution and uniting the Iranians, the Islamic regime might not have lasted this long.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
07:07 AM on 11/21/2011
Let’s not go too far now Iran is definitely not a heavenly place for Jews to live anti-Semitism is rampant in Iran. Sure, Iran did not expel the Jews like most other Muslim nations should we applaud Iran for that?
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09:24 AM on 11/21/2011
Yes it did. The vast majority!

And remember Jews lived in Iran for millennial before Muslims came to murder and conquer and convert
03:12 PM on 11/20/2011
If Israel could do what it wanted in the Middle East, it would annex the West Bank and expel the Christians and Muslims. A number of religious fanatics in US and Israel would like to see this happen.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
07:11 AM on 11/21/2011
Israel currently has the Middle East’s only growing Christian population. In fact, the Holy Land has never before experienced such religious freedom at any time in it’s long history. Jerusalem under Israeli rule is the first time ever that all religions can worship in the city with no restrictions. What you said is pure lies.
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
11:53 AM on 11/21/2011
Surely, you are not going to claim that Israeli Society is ever so friendly towards Christians, are you?

www.haaretz.com/news/national/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

"Ultra-Ort­hodox young men curse and spit at Christian clergymen in the streets of Jerusalem'­s Old City as a matter of routine. "
Other clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem say they are all victims of harassment­, from the senior cardinals to the priesthood students. Mostly they ignore these incidents. When they do complain, the police don't usually find the perpetrato­rs."

www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

"The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintan­ce that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-­Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."”

If "all religions are welcome" it is CERTAINLY not under Israel's MILITARY Occupation, where Palestinians are prevented by curfew from reaching the Al Aqsa Mosque, and where Israelis routinely spit at Christians.
thankgodimanatheist8
The answer to fools is silence
10:55 PM on 11/21/2011
You don't know much history do you?

Most religious freedom 2500 years ago under the rule of Cyrus the Great of Iran:

Thus says the LORD to His anointed (Messiah), to Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—to subdue nations before him and loose the armor of kings, to open before him the double doors, so that the gates will not be shut. . . . I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways; He shall build My city and let My exiles go free, not for price nor reward,' says the LORD of hosts. (Isaiah 44:24, 26–45:3, 13)

Cyrus the Great King of Kings of Iran no less the only Messiah of god mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. Cyrus allowed freedom of religion in the whole of his empire.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
03:06 PM on 11/20/2011
It never stop to amaze me how the anti-Israel elements in the Western Media and their followers are spinning reality and morality to make them fit their vilification campaign of Israel…. Everything goes: myth – Jerusalem is a Muslim holy place; bogus claim – Rachel Tomb is a Muslim mosque….; and twisting people statement and words…. Barak, a liberal stated his answer about Iran nuclear quest and he most likely believed it, in contrast to Netanyahu views…. Yet he did not say that Iran nukes are NOT a threat to Israel….so MJ attempt to present it as a gaffe is incredulous….
Barak did NOT say that Iran effort to get a nuke is NOT a threat to Israel, he stated that Iran motive to develop the bomb may be driven by its neighbors having nukes, YET none is threatening Iran….while Iran declared more than once its intention to destroy Israel and wiping the Jews of the face of the Mideast….. How that diminish the fact that Iran drive to get nuclear weapon decrease its threat to Israel existence by one IOTA….
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
08:38 AM on 11/21/2011
"YET none is threatenin­g Iran"

Have you visited the Planet Earth in the last few Years?

Ever since George W Bush spoke of the "Axis of Evil" to McCain "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" to Cheney and Bolton, Romney saying he runs on a platform of War with Iran, and almost EVERY American and Israeli politicians has since 2004 or earlier been inciting towards beginning a War with Iran.
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Barely Left of Pobedonostsev
02:17 PM on 11/26/2011
You are exaggerating wildly. Even Iran knows better than to confuse the ravings of a candidate with real policy.
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fapescia
02:26 PM on 11/20/2011
The entire strategy of Netanyahu and Barak is to get America to attack Iran. Bolton, McCain, Leiberman, Graham, Kristol, Krauthammer, Romney, Bachmann, Perry, and Newt buy into that strategy. Herman Cain has all neocons advising him but he doesn't know what a neocon looks like.
02:07 PM on 11/20/2011
As confirmed by Barak, lran urgently needs nuclear weapons to defend itseIf against its nuclear enemies threatenin­g Iran with war. This is the interview with Charlie Rose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo6JF4hHGtk
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fapescia
02:31 PM on 11/20/2011
The media in Israel is all over Barak for saying what he did. It is the same as when Ben Gurion said he understood that the arabs have no appreciation for Israel's Biblical claims to all of Greater Israel.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:39 PM on 11/20/2011
wallnut -- Iran has only one enemy -- Khamenie and his gang
07:01 AM on 11/20/2011
'when you give it to me, give it to me raw'

thanks
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
03:47 AM on 11/20/2011
"It's 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs," Netanyahu told delegates to the annual United Jewish Communities General Assembly, repeating the line several times, like a chorus, during his address. "Believe him and stop him," the opposition leader said of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "This is what we must do. Everything else pales before this."

Hes was giving us this line SIX YEARS AGO
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02:34 PM on 11/20/2011
Iran has brought in Orthodox rabbi's to speak, who say the
founding of Israel goes against their belief. This would
hardly show hatred of Jews to do this. That said
Israel is a reality, and a reasonable change in the
67 border will finally bring peace to Israel and
the region, with higher security for everyone than
enjoyed now.
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austinreid
Cheers, Prost, Campai, L'chayim
07:15 AM on 11/21/2011
Do you know why some Orthodox Jews don’t support Israel? It is because they believe only the Messiah can reestablish the Jewish State. Yes, they still believe it is the Jewish homeland but they can’t return to it now.
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fapescia
02:35 PM on 11/20/2011
Israel should go for it. Just leave the US out of it. Until Congress can order a strike on a country overruling both the President and the Defense Dept. we should feel that we will not start another war until 2013 if the Republicans win the elections.
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wom122
Primum non nocere
10:36 PM on 11/19/2011
Well put, thanks Mr. Rosenberg.
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piul05
Are you looking at my ears?! (Mo-om!!!)
06:50 PM on 11/19/2011
Again, another excellent article, Mr. Rosenberg - clear, knowledgeable and, above all, refreshing in its sanity (a rare commodity these days).

Keep up good work.
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koos458
The Weather is Aways Nicer in Coos Bay
03:20 PM on 11/19/2011
Netanyahu needs a constant state of conflict to distract Israeliis from noticing how he and is cronies are ripping the country off.
BubbaC33
Jimmy Buffett is the greatest American
04:46 PM on 11/19/2011
This statement by koos follows the GOP strategy of making an accusation with no supporting facts or information.
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koos458
The Weather is Aways Nicer in Coos Bay
07:55 PM on 11/19/2011
Funny stuff, Bub.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:28 AM on 11/20/2011
koos458 - your statement is pure horse manure...... you are not even close in understanding Israel society and the forces that drive it.....
12:03 PM on 11/20/2011
I suspect koos lives in the low lands. Koos is a Dutch Name. The Netherlands is below sea level. Hard to know what is going on if you are living under water.

He may be swimming upside down also.
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02:57 PM on 11/19/2011
Realities on the ground:

-Weekly average of settler attacks resulting in Palestinian casualties and property increased by 40% in 2011 compared to 2010, and by over 165% compared to 2009

-In 2011, three Palestinians have been killed and 167 injured by Israeli settlers

-One Palestinian has been killed and 101 others injured by Israeli soldiers during clashes with settlers in 2011

-Eight Israeli settlers have been killed and 30 injured by Palestinians in 2011. In the same period in 2010, five were killed and 43 injured

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15753945

Peace is still elusive but somehow political leaders around the world spent scarce resources in search for this ever elusive peace. They all are either idiots or just plain making poor political choice.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
02:42 AM on 11/20/2011
the contrary -- the BBC is a real objective source of propaganda...... LoL.......