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Why Peter Beinart's Book Is Driving the "Pro-Israel" Establishment Crazy

Posted: 03/29/2012 2:14 pm

Almost all the criticism (and controversy surrounding) Peter Beinart's The Crisis of Zionism comes down to two major complaints.

The first is that he is a "liberal Zionist" which, by some definitions, means he is just as indifferent to Palestinian rights as a rightwing Zionist. He believes in the idea and reality of a Jewish state and is primarily motivated by his sense of urgency about preserving it. He also does not support the right to return to Israel of all the Palestinian refugees (dating back to 1947) and their millions of descendants, viewing full return as a means to ending Israel's existence. And, worst of all to some on the left, Beinart favors the so-called "two-state solution" which, although repeatedly thwarted primarily by settler-supporting Israeli governments, Beinart sees as the only means to achieve a solution fair to both peoples.

The second source of complaint (fury, actually) emanates from the "pro-Israel" right and its intensity dwarfs the criticism of those who attack from the left. The anti-Zionists primarily view Beinart as misguided and naïve, still a prisoner of the Zionist ideology on which he was raised. The "pro-Israel" right (and that includes virtually the entire "pro-Israel" establishment) views Beinart as evil, as a traitor and, as ridiculous as this sounds, an enemy of the Jewish people. No matter, that his goal is a secure Israel living side by side next to a secure Palestine. No matter that his love for Israel suffuses his entire book or that he is an observant Jew. For the "pro-Israel" right, Beinart is the enemy.

Understanding the right's feelings about Beinart may be more the job of a psychologist than a pundit because it is so irrational that it cannot be addressed merely by citing facts. It is a mark of how crazy the debate over Israel has become in this country that it exceeds anything that goes on in Israel, which itself has more than its fair share of right-wingers.

For instance, take a look at this video from the top-rated Israeli show Big Brother, a television reality show in which a group of young people move into an apartment and live their lives on camera. These shows are popular worldwide but the brilliant exposition of the evils of the occupation that one character made on the Israeli show last week is unimaginable here. (U.S. reality shows avoid politics like the plague. But this is Israel).

Striking this about this video (besides the fact not even a Jewish Community Center would dare show it in the U.S) is the young man making the case against the occupation. He is the kind of person Zionism was supposed to produce: a proud Israeli, afraid of nothing. These are the kind of Israelis we don't see much of in the United States anymore in contrast to the period before Israel became obsessed with maintaining the occupation and confronting Iran. You know, the Paul Newman (Exodus) kind of Israelis which, although a stereotype, is rooted in reality. The reason we don't see them is because an Israeli government that is always making the case for the status quo based on fear would be ill-served by proud, unafraid Israelis speaking to Americans. It prefers fear mongering.

Take Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, for instance, whose mind seems to be in 1938 Europe.

In 2006, speaking of Iran, Netanyahu told an audience in Los Angeles. "It's 1938 and Iran is Germany." He said that the Iranian president who "denies the Holocaust" is "preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state."

Note: Netanyahu's warning of the imminent danger of an Iranian nuclear weapon was delivered six years ago and it was far from the first Netanyahu warning that Iran was on the brink of achieving a nuclear bomb. It was also not the first time he said that the present day was reminiscent of 1938, although he has sometimes invoked 1942 or 1944.

The difference between Netanyahu and the young Israeli in the video (and most Israelis, I believe) is that for them the situation today is nothing like the situation in the 1940s. If it is, then who needs Israel -- which justifies it existence as the ultimate guarantee that "Never Again" is more than a slogan? In fact, that justification is a reality backed up by one of the most effective militaries in the world and 200 nuclear weapons. Israel is not the Warsaw Ghetto, a comparison that insults both the memory of the Holocaust and Israel itself.

And Netanyahu is far from the only person in a leadership position to make that comparison. Beinart reminds us that:

[Jews] tell ourselves that we are still history's victims whose primary responsibility is merely to survive. Consider the language of prominent Jewish leaders. In 2009, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham Foxman, declared that "anti-Semitism (is)... reaching a peak this year that we haven't seen since the tragic days of World War II." In 2010 House Majority Leader Eric Cantor devoted his entire speech at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) policy conference to an extended analogy with the Nazi era. That December, Malcolm Hoenlein, the powerful executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, gave a speech entitled," Is It 1939?" (In a 2007 speech, it is subtitled "Is it 1938 Again."

Beinart then offers this chilling image that sums up the Holocaust fixation and how it affects attitudes toward Israel today:

A few years ago, a journalist reported that Malcolm Hoenlein... had a photo in his conference room of Israeli F-15s flying over Auschwitz. It is a photo of a fantasy. Israeli jets never bombed Auschwitz and never will. What they have bombed, in recent years, is the Gaza Strip, a fenced in, hideously overcrowded, desperately poor slum from which terrorist groups sometimes shell Israel. Hoenlein, in other words, has decorated his conference room not with an image of the reality that he helps perpetuate, but with an image of the fantasy he superimposes on that reality.

It is that fantasy that is producing such vitriol against Beinart in the "pro-Israel" organizations and among their cutouts. Born in 1971 in Massachusetts, brought up on stories about Israeli pioneers and heroes, he absolutely refuses to accept the idea that Israel is some pathetic little ghetto on the verge of extinction. He does not see the existence of Israel as an extension of the Holocaust but as the guarantee that there will never be another one. His Israel is one of daylight while the "pro-Israel" establishment sees only night and fog.

Add to that that his belief that the secure Israel of his dreams can only exist if Palestinians are secure, too and it is clear why he produces such rage. To put it simply, the "pro-Israel" establishment is so invested in the dark past that it will not tolerate the image of a bright future, especially if that future can only be achieved by compromising with a people they have decided are 1940s Nazis. It is pathological. Fortunately, it is Beinart who represents the future.

 

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Almost all the criticism (and controversy surrounding) Peter Beinart's The Crisis of Zionism comes down to two major complaints. The first is that he is a "liberal Zionist" which, by some definitions...
Almost all the criticism (and controversy surrounding) Peter Beinart's The Crisis of Zionism comes down to two major complaints. The first is that he is a "liberal Zionist" which, by some definitions...
 
 
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10:51 PM on 04/06/2012
The primary effect is the measurable reduction in the number of both Jews and non-Jews who are willing to accept the extremist policies of this Israeli government. Most thinking people realise that the expropriation of land is an illegal act - one that will inevitably bring war to the Middle East.

The agenda of the Likud administration of Binyam Netanyahu, which includes attacking Iran and expanding into occupied Arab territories in violation of UN Security Council resolutions, is one that alienates increasing numbers of Jews and others around the world. It is arguably the greatest threat to world peace, today.
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
09:38 PM on 04/01/2012
Beinart is forcing a reexamination of the exceptionalism of Israel as a Jewish state. It cannot be a democracy and be a Jewish state as 20% of its citizens are not Jewish. Many policies are trying to exclude Palestinians, such as discriminatory marriage laws and not having Arabic signs in hospitals and museums. The occupation has produced a system with total discrimination and segregation, definitely not a democracy for the Palestinians who are controlled yet cannot have any say in government.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
06:08 PM on 04/03/2012
Israel can be a Jewish state despite having a non-Jewish minority in the same way the Italy can be an Italian state with a non-Italian minority.

It really isn't any more complicated than that.
11:28 PM on 04/04/2012
"It really isn't any more complicated than that."

Err, dude, you have it wrong.

Italy is an "Italian state" because it is a "state for all its citizens" i.e.it exists for the "citizens of Italy", it does not pretend that it exists for "all the wops of the world".

Compare and contrast....

Fully 100% of Israelis are "citizens of Israel", but Israel insists that it IS NOT an "Israeli state" i.e. a state for all the citizens of Israel.

Absolutely not: Israel insists that it is "the state for the Jews".

That is FUNDAMENTALLY different to Italy, which does not pretend that it is "the state for the wops of the world".

Cynthia is right: you can't have it both ways.

Either Israel is "the Israeli state" (in which case it is "the state for the citizens of Israel") or it is "the Jewish state".

But it can't be both.

Q: Why not?
A: Because if it is the latter (and that's what it claims to be) then it has:
a) disenfranchised fully 20% of its own citizenry
b) enfranchised millions who have never, ever set foot in the joint.

That ain't nothing like Italy, which doesn't enfranchise Brooklyn Wops no matter how much they insist on talking with an accent while they fling pizza's into the air, nor does it disenfranchise any of its citizens for any reason.
08:34 PM on 04/01/2012
Tony Andrews and Ibn Rushd, well argued points were made by you both.
11:10 AM on 04/02/2012
efd271,

Thank you for the kind words.
hfpf
Wake up World.
03:35 PM on 04/01/2012
Beinart belongs in cherem. He has lost his moral center, and has become a fifth column. The best thing to do is to stop giving him the attention he craves. As far as this article is concerned, Mr. Rosenberg belongs in cherem with Mr. Beinart. He is not capable of being objective any longer, as he has thrown his cards in with the likes of Chomsky and Finklestein. You're all a bunch of self haters.
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11:17 PM on 04/01/2012
Just like Marek Edelman then? Curious how quickly Jewish heros turn into third columnists as soon as they disagree in whatever manner with the rulers of the Israeli State is it not? Very authoritarian... reminds me of something.
hfpf
Wake up World.
02:30 AM on 04/02/2012
Beinart is no Jewish hero, and Edelman was seriously misguided, and that is why he was never honored by Israel. There is no comparison. If you think Gaza is a concentration camp, you can thank Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran that keep it that way as an open sore with which to punish Israel. If the Pals want peace, they can have it in a day.

They don't want piece, they want Israel in pieces, or better yet, no Israel at all.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
08:59 PM on 03/31/2012
Despite disapproving comments here - including that of the author: The Jewish community (Israel included) in difference of the Arab/Muslim communities is open for multitude of opinions, no matter how inane or wise…. There is NO FATWA issued against anyone... Rosenberg, Beinart, Baram, and Finkelstein are entitled to their opinion even if they represent a voice of ONE or that of thousands… Israel has over 17 political parties including a communist and radical Arab for a small country of 7 million…. So Mr. Saad and his friends at ‘Breaking the Silence’ or B’tzelem who are funded and sustained by European donors, including G. Soros, can say whatever they want, and if they do not like Israel, they can live wherever they want or go wherever they chose, no need to hide and be afraid…..
Yet the Majority of the Jews in the world support Israel and the citizens of Israel who freely elected their government (sometime on the left and other on the right) and respect the choice of the majority and if the progressives within our community do not like it, they can act within the system and make a change. Yet it up to Israel citizens to make that choice and to elect whomever they prefer, as in all democracies, regardless of your bashing and putting it down. It is their decision, it is their live on the line , not Mr. Rosenberg or those living elsewhere.
01:39 PM on 03/31/2012
Another blog by Mr. Rosenberg about a person and his *shortcomings*, projected on a whole group of people Mr. Rosenberg does not agree with in any way, shape or form.

Those of us who have personally lived through WWII and its Holocaust have memories, which are etched in our bodies, as well as in our conscious. To Mr. Rosenberg, these are just *narratives*, and we should get rid of those narratives post haste. Unfortunately, and that applies to everyone, our youth, our experiences then, and what was taught to us then, is part of our DNA. Two people, moreover, can be the offspring of the same parents, live in the same house, have the same upbringing, and still have different experiences and memories. Mr. Rosenberg's opinions are a result of his own life's story, and of hearsay. Just as I can not get into the personal DNA/experience of Palestinians, and their narratives, so neither Mr. Rosenberg, nor Paletinians are fully able to get into the skin, the souls, and the life experience of his enemy: *the pro-Israelis*. Obviously, it is quite alright to be pro Palestinian, but NOT to be Pro-Israel. Maybe Mr. Rosenberg can not understand either side properly, and his arguing that he does appears not to be based in reality.

Mr. Rosenberg's consistent strident opinions do not help anyone, or any cause, not even the cause he wants us to believe he champions.
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
02:51 PM on 03/31/2012
Beinart grew up believing what he was told about Israel but was able to discover that Israel's leaders like Avidor Lieberman were not reflecting the democratic values he believed in.
Right now, Palestinians are being denied their rights to live in equality. Their land is taken and they have no freedom of movement.
I urge anyone who is able to travel to the West Bank and see what is happening.
08:36 PM on 03/31/2012
And yet, most Israelis do not agree with Avigdor Lieberman. That is something that you would not like people to realize.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
07:49 PM on 03/31/2012
monmammia - well said, George Santayana, who, in his 'Reason in Common Sense' wrote "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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montecristo5000
04:57 PM on 03/30/2012
No one of the usual Zionists that post seems to want to comment on or acknowledge what the guy said in that Big Brother video. It was profound.

You couldn't get that kind of honesty out of a US politician in Washington that wanted to keep his job, because he would be out before his feet touched the ground, thanks to AIPAC.
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Yarden
Tel Aviv dude
12:27 AM on 03/31/2012
I cant seem to find any of the usual "Anti Zionist" to admit arab responsibility for the failed Palestinian State.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
07:05 AM on 03/31/2012
Way to prove a point Tel Aviv Stud.
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Seawolf56
Truth should never be censored
10:43 AM on 03/31/2012
hahahahahahaha keep talking, change is comming sooner than you think!
02:23 AM on 03/31/2012
the fascinating thing about the big brother video is how the people listening to him acted as if they had never considered any of these ideas because that would have interfered with their carefree, affluent lifestyle. they claimed to be good at closing off their minds to negative ideas. I am not sure that is a valid defense, however, for failing to even see what is going on around them and what they are permitting to occur in their name.
04:17 PM on 03/30/2012
This is an excellent article covering the on-going reevaluation of Zionism from across the political spectrum. Others have weighed in on this issue as well. See Daphna Baram:

"It is time for any Israeli with an enlightened self-image to look at the mirror and see Avigdor Lieberman staring back. It is time to stop the procrastination over the question whether Israel can be both Jewish and democratic ... It is time to stop fidgeting, and to admit that mono-ethnicism cannot be a framework for liberal values ... It is time to rethink Zionism."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/16/israelandthepalestinians-israeli-elections-2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/26/israel-labour-binyamin-netanyahu-ehud-barak

Probably the best article on this issue that I have seen is by Ben Ehrenreich:

“The problem is fundamenta­­­l: Founding a modern state on a single ethnic or religious identity in a territory that is ethnically and religiousl­­­y diverse leads inexorably either to politics of exclusion (think of the 139-square­­­-mile prison camp that Gaza has become) or to wholesale ethnic cleansing. Put simply, the problem is Zionism.”

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/16-2
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01:28 AM on 04/02/2012
Thank you. As a non Jew I struggle with what a fair, just, or "appropriate" US policy regarding Israel and Palestine should look like. As an engaged US citizen it is important for me to understand all I can before ever casting a vote for those would author foreign policy in my name.

I welcome any and all resources to aid me in this. . . thanks again!
01:15 PM on 04/02/2012
glitterpet,

Thank you for the kind words, and you are most welcome.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
11:45 AM on 04/04/2012
While it is fair enough to take a uniformly applied negative stance toward the concept of the nation-state, such a position is hardly an appropriate one to force upon Israel, and by implication Palestinians (who also aspire to a nation-state as the political expression of the Palestinian people (why don't you talk about how your concept impinges on their aspirations as well?)), while the rest of the world remains organized pursuant to that very principle.

The argument in the article you link makes quite a few assumptions that simply aren't so, chief among them is the one copied in your comment above that the necessary end of the establishment of a nation-state is exclusion or "wholesale ethnic cleansing" (the breathlessness of the hyperbole there almost makes one chuckle), which is only contradicted by the experience of almost every nation-state on the face of the earth that has an ethnic minority.
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Domingo Cardoza
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02:49 PM on 03/30/2012
Great video. Great courage.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
05:06 PM on 04/01/2012
No great courage necessary nor exhibited: Israel is a free country, and people freely argue about the issues.
12:06 PM on 03/30/2012
When someone is criticized by both extremes on two sides of an issue, they are usually spot on.
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NoOne18
What're YOU lookin' at?
05:41 PM on 03/30/2012
That's not just facile & glib, it's unproven - & can be proven wrong, too.
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Fireslayer
11:55 AM on 03/30/2012
Unlike his petty detractors, at least Rosenberg wants peace enough to maintain a critical view of Israeli actions. He is clearly the most honestly pro-Israel of all for this reason alone.
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erehwon2
12:16 PM on 03/30/2012
If a willingness to be openly critical of one's leaders' actions is the criterion for determining how serious one is about peace, we probably should conclude that the Palestinians are not at all serious about it.
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Domingo Cardoza
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04:30 PM on 03/30/2012
I thought you were going to say something commendable like "If a willingness to be openly critical of one's leaders' actions is the criterion for determining how serious one is about peace, we probably should conclude that Israel is far ahead than other countries..." instead you pound on the occupied; and not only the occupied, but the occupied without any rights.
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Domingo Cardoza
USARMY Ret. _Unabowed America-Firster
05:00 PM on 03/30/2012
re: Hello? The whole article is about a Jews being critical of Israel and how they rather censore one in America as opposed to the open criticism that occurs in Israel without fear. I was inferring that Israel's media does a better job than even here. Not trying to offend, but really nothing to do with the Palestinians.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:21 PM on 03/30/2012
How do you reconcile Rosenberg's petty detractions vis-avis Mr. Beinart with your comment above?
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notmisaacm
That which is attributed to malice is often explai
11:49 AM on 03/30/2012
I find it amusing that the only quotes which Rosenberg could come up with to support the supposed "fury" against Beinart is the show Big Brother? Seriously? I guess that the Rosenberg perceived fury is a little less prevalent than he thinks.

Most of us who have read what Beinart writes don't feel fury, just annoyance. Yet another well meaning sucker being played by the Arabs who, unlike Beinart, wish to destroy Israel by any means necessary. People like Beinart really prolong the conflict by giving the intransigent Palestinians hope that if they hold onto their maximalist demands just a little longer, then someone is going to destroy Israel for them. After waiting for the Nazi's, the Soviets, the Nassarites the Baathists and now the Iranians to come conquer Israel for them, the Palestinians should give up and take what the can get from the Israelis and move on. But instead they see the mirage of the Beinarts of the world, and believe that there is a movement (BDS?), which will destroy Israel for them. This does more to perpetuate the conflict than anything else.

I find Beinart and his ilk annoying, I reserve my fury for actually dangerous people.
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Domingo Cardoza
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04:35 PM on 03/30/2012
When MJ wrote: "The second source of complaint (fury, actually) emanates from the "pro-Israel" right and its intensity dwarfs the criticism of those who attack from the left. The anti-Zionists primarily view Beinart as misguided and naïve, still a prisoner of the Zionist ideology on which he was raised. The "pro-Israel" right (and that includes virtually the entire "pro-Israel" establishment) views Beinart as evil, as a traitor and, as ridiculous as this sounds, an enemy of the Jewish people" he was thinking about a person like you.

The Palestinians waited for the Nazis? lol, certainly amuzingly ridiculous your justification to what, steal more land?
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Naor
01:32 PM on 03/31/2012
As an Israeli rightest, I can assure you I nor anyone I have discussed the issue with views Beinart as an evil traitor enemy. Simply stated, MJ Rosenberg would like to paint us all in such a light to play to his fantasy view about the bloodthirsty Israeli right who feeds off conflict.
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notmisaacm
That which is attributed to malice is often explai
10:39 AM on 04/02/2012
Take a minute and Google: Mufti & Hitler. You can educate yourself about the Palestinian leader. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler’s special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East.
06:24 PM on 03/30/2012
your grandstanding will not hide the fact that your position is morally bankrupt and unsustainable.
08:51 PM on 03/31/2012
And how is it "morally bankrupt and unsustainable"?
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
11:18 AM on 03/30/2012
Beinart cancelled a talk when the JCRC pulled out of sponsorship. the JCC did not agree with the moderator.

"While acknowledging that it was Beinart who chose to cancel the talk, Jewish Voice for Peace sent out a statement that placed blame on “an increasingly McCarthyite atmosphere in the Jewish institutional world … more and more, Jewish institutions are required to police speakers and events based on the narrow requirements of a handful of influential funders.”
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/64734/zionism-author-cancels-kpfa-talk-in-berkeley/
01:38 PM on 03/30/2012
JVOC has removed itself from the pro-Israel community by its vocal support for BDS.
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Domingo Cardoza
USARMY Ret. _Unabowed America-Firster
04:49 PM on 03/30/2012
MO2:
Why do you frame Pro-Israel only those conservative institutions or persons who advocate for an endless occupation based on taking Palestinian lands? Or those who want us to go to war with Iran? (I could care less if Israel wants to do it, they should as long as they are the only ones who receive any retaliation, just don't get US involved). Is Beinart by your definition not Pro-Israel, and therefore Anti-Israel? and exactly for what? What is exactly on his book that does not make him Pro-Israel?

I am just amazed how the "Pro-Israel" qualifier has been defined by the land takers as mean anything that is against their divine right to keep taking other people's right without grating them any rights.
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
11:08 AM on 03/30/2012
Beinart advocates boycotting products from Israeli settlements such as Soda Stream. Settlements are supported by Israel taxes for roads, electric grid and soldiers for protection. Incentives are given to move to the settlements. He is not logical because Israel supports the settlements and is expanding them.
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:25 PM on 03/30/2012
Do you boycott the US? UK? Jordan? Intel? Motorola? They all trade with Israel, some provide aid. Where do *you* draw the line?
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
07:07 AM on 03/31/2012
Why should there be a line? Who cares?

The point is to make the israeli occupation too expensive to maintain. The point is to make life difficult for the israel economy without making it difficult for yourself.

Its really not complicated.
01:11 PM on 03/30/2012
everyone around the world should boycote any Texas product as it is an occupied territory that the US govt is funding with taxs, road, electicity ect.
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NoOne18
What're YOU lookin' at?
05:49 PM on 03/30/2012
I was wondering if anyone else was going to mention this. The US is far more occupied, and less legally so, than Israel ever could be.
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cosmiczulu
the truth shall set you free
08:47 AM on 03/31/2012
as well as all Chinese, Turkish and Russian products as they are occupiers who violently occupied land.
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