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I Don't Want to Hurt My Wife... But Do They Really Make Jeans That Size?

Posted: 05/09/2012 7:55 pm

Don't shoot the messenger.

I have had a few men reach out to me in recent weeks for advice on how to tell their wives that they are not happy. Truth be told, they wanted advice on how to tell their wives that they wanted a divorce -- the "I'm not happy" was just a softer version, a precursor to the real message, more like planting the seed for a discussion which would then grow.

Since when did I become the person who could give advice to men on how to gracefully tell their wives they wanted out? I think their thought is that I could build on my own experiences and tell them what worked, what didn't, and provide advice from a women's perspective. You know, provide the inside scoop on the kind and gentle way of telling us that they want out. Seriously? Do you realize that when you say, "I just want out of our 20-year marriage," it is hurtful no matter how it's phrased?

I took a deep breath, maintained a neutral stance, and tried to understand what was going on. Where were these men coming from? How could I help?

Here's what I learned: these men are unhappy and unfulfilled. Their kids are getting older, their careers are settling and they are finally stepping back from the chaos of building their lives. They have finally slowed down enough to look around, and have decided that this isn't the life they wanted. Life has happened to them, and they aren't happy with it.

Further probing yielded something I found shocking. These men made comments to me about how they were no longer physically or emotionally attracted to their wives because they had put on weight and no longer "met their expectations" for how wives should look. I had to bite my tongue (hard...really hard!) to keep from asking two questions: one, how physically fit were their wives still, and two, how many children had they birthed!?

Both admitted starting fights and making really inappropriate comments in frustration with their wives -- comments usually centered on a very hurtful topic, their wives' bodies.

Men, it is not OK to say to your wife, "I didn't know they made jeans that size." It is not OK to compare your wife to other women and say, "If she can look that hot, then why can't you take care of yourself?" It is not OK to say, "I have to go to strip clubs at night to look at what a woman should look like." Like I said, I was shocked!

I did my best to explain to these men that attacking a woman's self-image is about as hurtful as it gets. This is a low blow. It's unfair and hurtful -- plain and simple. I challenged these men to take the high road and talk with their wives about their true feelings in a very constructive manner as opposed to hitting them where it most hurts (and for most women, that's body image issues).

Getting upset, yelling and patronizing these men would get me nowhere and serve no purpose. I tried to heed my own advice and take the high road in how I responded by explaining how their actions were being perceived, calling them out on "not wanting to hurt" their wives, and encouraging them to address the real issues -- their own sense of personal unhappiness --instead of blaming their wives. I asked, "If your wife suddenly looked like she did when you married her, would you feel differently about her? Would you suddenly cherish your marriage?" As you might guess, the answer was "probably not."

I think this is a lesson in treating people the way in which we would want to be treated, accepting responsibility for our own thoughts and actions, taking the high road, being accountable, demonstrating maturity and having depth and character.

I know all men aren't like this (just like I know all women don't wish their "nice" husbands would cheat on them, which I discussed a few weeks ago).

Having heard this from a number of men in the last few weeks, I felt compelled to bring it up. What do you think? Are you hearing this too? Is there an answer?

 
 
 

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12:53 AM on 06/06/2012
This is a sad article, society is sad. If I was married to any of the men mentioned in the article I would quickly seek a divorce. Its seriously not worth it. Its evident that the celebrity lifestyle displayed in the media has take over the minds of men and women in society. Everyone will not look like Angelina Jolie after having a baby. Many celebrities have the privilege of hiring a personal trainer, dietetic expert, personal chef, and nanny so they can focus on getting back into shape following a pregnancy. Unfortunately, most women do not have those same luxuries. I do not have children nor am I married, but if this is the crap I have to look forward to then I'll pass.
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Lupis Noctum
Reality is not democratic.
09:29 PM on 06/05/2012
This post quickly turned in to a rant about the plight of women who've transformed themselves into a different species with food who are victimized by horrid men who, for some savage reason, no longer find them attractive. Apparently the advice, as far as I can tell, is "man up, a 21st century married woman has no responsibility to remain attractive, and you're a SexistFascistAbuser for even suggesting it." Cue the world's smallest violin.

This is why men should not turn to a female blogger for divorce advice. They should turn to an attorney and a financial advisor.
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05:41 PM on 06/04/2012
Our culture has eviscerated men. Or more correctly, men have let our culture eviscerate them. Men do not have the courage to say the primary reason I married you was to have sex with you. And the primary reason I want to have sex with you is because you are thin/fit/not fat and sagging. The first thing men looking for a wife do mentally is divide the 6 billion people in the world into 2 categories. They set those with penis to their left and those with a vagina to their right. And then they look to the right. If this last statement bothers you and yet you know it is true, is the problem in the true statement or is the problem in your head. Being mad at your need as a man for sexual fulfillment is as silly as being angry at yourself for needing to breathe. And women that have a problem with men desiring them for their ability to sexually gratify them (and all it implies, weight etc.) do not have a problem with men... they have a problem with the way God made men. But that is a wholly different discussion isn't it? :-)
12:55 AM on 06/06/2012
I don't know if you know this or not, but you do not need to get married to have sex.
04:52 PM on 05/31/2012
I'm "old" (67). I believe many men today have completely unrealistic ideas about what women should look like due to all the porno they watch on internet and see in magazines. Women who are mothers are especially under the gun to look like they've never had children - a la celebrities.
03:16 PM on 05/29/2012
I work out at the gym 5 days a week so I see a lot of dudes with their clothes off. Most men over 40 are a tub of guts. That leads me to wonder what these guys look like that think their wives aren't hot enough for them.
09:49 PM on 05/31/2012
Yes, one sees a great many older men who are bald, flabby, beer bellied. The more ridiculous ones dress like teenagers.
02:47 PM on 05/29/2012
If someone is no longer emotionally attracted to someone, why critize that person for wanting to leave? I'm sure that this hasn't happened overnight, as some readers believe. I'm sure that these men have tried and tried and sometimes, you just have to walk away from a relationship to save yourself sanity.

Talking about their wives' weight issues is a last straw, I believe, at breaking up the relationship when nothing else is working.
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Lupis Noctum
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09:37 PM on 06/05/2012
Don't minimize the impact of "post wedding bloat." In most cases, the only way to reverse the condition is to divorce. Divorced women start shedding pounds like mad. It's amazing.

I suspect that there's a nerve in the ring finger of the female left hand that, when constricted, can lead to weight gain and frigidity. Remove the constriction, the pounds start fading and the sexual appetite returns with a vengeance.
10:12 PM on 05/22/2012
I think you're whipping up a straw-man here, except for the 1%, whose wallet's girth makes them exciting bucks for most American females, no matter the man's girth. In reality, most men do not complain about their wives's pounds, but their asexuality. It does not have to be a F....! A gentle touch would often do. But it's not there. Leaving is not an option, for the 99%, since the wife has all the power to ruin a man financially.
10:19 PM on 06/04/2012
This rings true to me.
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03:55 PM on 05/22/2012
Yeah because these guys look the same as when they got married too. The difference is women will put up with less then ideal looks for the right character but all men see is appearance.
02:17 PM on 05/22/2012
I don't think the real problem is the looks or the weight gain. There's a lot of "advice" on this board about not "letting yourself go" etc, but the truth is this: we all age, we all put on a little weight, we all look a little worse for wear after years of forging a career, having kids, and just the general stresses of life. THAT ISN'T THE PROBLEM. The problem is that these people have stopped communicating with their spouses, failed to maintain a bond (both romantic and friendship), and no longer admire or respect each other.

Relationships that last do so because both people want them to. They talk about everything. They have great (or at least good or often) physical intimacy. They do nice things for each other. They take the time to enjoy a meal/wine/other pleasurable activity together as often as they can. They are honest with each other, but never brutally so. There is mutual admiration.

Those are the things that these men the author mentions lack with their wives. If they had all of the aforementioned things going on in the relationship, the stuff about physical appearance/weight gain either wouldn't matter or would have been addressed within the relationship in a kind and loving way.
03:30 PM on 05/16/2012
I feel for the men here. Men's sexuality gives them life...at least for most of their life. Take away that spark and it leaves a hole for them. Women...if you love your man, give him the gift of "keeping yourself up"! Exercise, be healthy, be sexy, DON"T WEAR FRUMPY CLOTHES!!!

I was onetime around my older sisters and they were talking about weight. The married one said to the single one "just let yourself go...be okay with the weight gain". I kept my mouth shut but I wanted to say "Really? You want to ruin your sex life and also make it impossible for men to want to date you (for the single one)". Why on earth would a woman want to become frumpy, dumpy, and boring? Why? Keep your spark!!! It matters! I don't understand this thinking...but many women do.

Having said that...men have their deal to keep the end of their bargain up. They need to stay employed or at least work to be the breadwinner. They need to contribute in a masculine way to the relationship. If not? The woman will lose interest slowly but surely. Marriage is not about unconditional love. You must keep up to keep it up out of love for yourself and your spouse.
RealistBC
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05:27 AM on 05/17/2012
And so goes life in the shallow end of the gene pool.
06:45 PM on 05/17/2012
Me, shallow? No. I love deeply. I've had many love relationships. And I don't choose because of wealth, either. I've had artist type boyfriends who I adored. It's not the money it's the energy I loved. And they appreciated that I kept myself up AND LOVED ME as well. So there.
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03:51 PM on 05/17/2012
Prepare for a PC barrage against your "heteronormative" advice.
10:11 AM on 05/14/2012
Before getting married both individuals needs to know..change happens. Sometimes for the better and sometimes the worse but it happens. I have been married 26yrs and long story short...I never had any children but I did put on weight about 7 yrs ago but my hubby had no problem with the weight gain but I did so a little over a year ago...I lost all that I gained...NOW we are having problems because he's not liking the change. Just for you to understand...I went from 43-38-45 to 39-27-39...so its different for everyone...but let me ask the "men" here a question....Do you think its wrong for your wife to want to go on a get away by herself. No, theres "no" boyfriend and not looking for one...but as men with wives...if she justs want "me" time...do you see a problem with this?
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jf12
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10:43 AM on 05/14/2012
In general a problem, maybe not in your specific instance. Because your wanting to get away from him (calling it what it is) will be seen by him as your wanting to get away from him, don't expect him to validate your feelings. Nobody wants to be rejected, especially by their own spouse whose marital promise basically is to not reject. So if you do insist on getting away, do not insist he verbally agree with your stated reasons, because you will be forcing him to lie.
11:52 AM on 05/14/2012
Thanks for your honesty and yes, I am asking other "men" here at work the same question and they feel as you do.
Thanks again!
02:57 PM on 05/14/2012
Just wanted to say people would benefit from staying present through the whole marriage. Don't just "wake up" after the kids have gone and say "Oh, What the hell. I can't bellieve this marriage is in shambles and I don't recognize my spouse!". You'll save yourself a lot of time and grief by dealing with things as they come every day and confronting them head on with assertiveness AND sensativity to the other persons feelings. It's much more fun and less of a drag to be assertive and proactive instead of "checking out" and then reacting to what happens later..
05:35 PM on 05/14/2012
I agree.
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08:47 AM on 05/16/2012
I agree too. The person in the marriage who pushes problems under the rug for years or kicks the can down the road is just as guilty as the spouse with the problems.
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09:09 PM on 05/13/2012
No amount of weight loss can possibly make up for a woman who does not know how to partake in sex properly. Perhaps there are more deep-seated issues the men are REALLY fear to dig into: namely, their unsatisfying sexual experiences with their wives.
02:22 PM on 05/22/2012
Same goes for a man. Physical intimacy is important, and you're only as good as the lover you're with :-)

That said, eagerness and willingness are a lot more important than actual skill. Skills can be taught if you communicate and listen.
07:26 PM on 05/13/2012
I hear this from men. No, I do not think it is okay to say hurtful things that will give someone a negative body image. But, on the other hand, a person is entitled to voice their feelings about what they find attractive. If a guy married a woman with a fit body, and then she is 50 pounds heavier, why is it so awful for him to honestly admit that it turns him off? If he's not attracted to a heavier female frame, nothing is gonna make him change. I'd like to know exactly what people think a person is supposed to do when their partner gains significant amounts of weight, and the physical attraction fades?
05:31 AM on 05/14/2012
your supposed to love the person, good and bad changes happen, peole age.
07:45 AM on 05/14/2012
True. But you can love someone and not be attracted to them. I'm just saying insofar as things are within one's control, people should make an effort to remain their best. Sometimes, I think the anger that men feel isn't that the woman looks different, but that she doesn't try.
06:08 PM on 05/21/2012
Aging and reasonable weight gain is OK. There are some large framed women I really love. Some tiny ones but really obese is out. It isn't healthy, it is not only about sex but about being able to hike/walk/bike/swim etc. Nobody wants a boat anchor .. of either sex. Guys we have to keep ourselves reasonably fit as well. Ladies before condemning all these guys. Would YOU choose a really fat out of shape person as your mate? Attraction is a mysterious thing for both. When it no longer exists and it is because one person refuses to take reasonably good care of themselves, I think either is entitled to leave. I am not talking about looking like a model, but reasonable for age. Obesity is an epidemic in the USA. No thanks.
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jf12
Esta vez saldré como las otras y me escaparé.
10:45 AM on 05/14/2012
Often the change is deliberate so as to induce turn off. When that is not the case, when the heavier woman is still willing, he will usually retain his gusto.
02:11 PM on 05/14/2012
I gained 50lbs after a surgery and my bf lost all interest in kissing, touching, sex, everything physical basically. I am a very pretty and willing, albiet heavier, version of myself.. However, I am still very sexual/sensual...I really love everything about an intimate relationship..so I really am frustrated! He has NO interest at ALL. It's aweful. He says he only wants me physically if I get back down to a "skinny model size". He says he is not cheating and I know he's being honest.. The funniest or i should say strangest part is he doesn't even want to do mess around in the dark!?? I would love to get some different perspectives about this!!
04:00 PM on 05/13/2012
As I read through the comments I was struck by two things. One it seems that so many didn't read on to where the two guys admitted that even if their wives suddenly lost the weight and were able to erase the effects of aging, they wouldn't want to be with them. I don't doubt that the weight impacted the couple's lives, likely in many ways, but the issues were deeper than appearances. In some ways, I would guess that as un-PC as being turned-off by an overweight wife is, it is a better reason to leave than "I am feeling unfulfilled emotionally." I mean it always sounds better to have the person you are leaving be crazy, mean, or ugly than to admit you are leaving because of your emotional needs. (Likely more so for men.)

The other reality that I bet these guys know is that these comments have done some big-time damage. Likely to the same level as having an affair or, as one person commented, constantly finding ways to belittle a spouse's occupation. They may get the idea that with therapy and if both of them really worked on the relationship, there might be a chance, but there would always be the elephant in the room (even if their wives lost the weight and were absolutely hot.)
RealistBC
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06:56 AM on 05/13/2012
No man can tell his woman that he's not happy. She thinks she's sacrificed her life to service him and believes that he owes her. The explosion of ire and emotion when we express our feelings is more than we want to put up with, because we're trying to end the relationship, not turn it into a torture session. So either we exercise our right to remain silent lest anything we say be used against us in the Court of Female Opinion and live Thoreau's Life of Quiet Desperation, or we just disappear.
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NobleTry
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09:07 PM on 05/13/2012
Really well put.
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06:14 AM on 05/18/2012
And if you don't express yourself, you are suffering from toxic masculinity and are an unfeeling male, implicitly "emotionally abusive".