Debunking the Myth of "The Israel Lobby"

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How to protect America? The flurry of recent terrorist arrests in Germany, Denmark, and Britain, make Europe a center of concern -- but we are in a different situation from the 20th century. Europe was then our strategic focus, the main theatre of conflict encompassing WWI, WWII, and the Cold War. Now, the danger of strategic pivot is in the Middle East because it is there that the main threats to American security originate from Islamic terrorism to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the prospect of Iran combining WMD with missile delivery systems.

In Europe, our principal ally for the 20th century was Great Britain with whom we shared common values of democracy, a Judeo-Christian tradition, the rule of law, a free press, and the confidence that if a new government was elected, it would not change our fundamental alliance. Similarly, in the Middle East, where Islamist terrorism was incubated, our principal ally has long been Israel, another country with whom we share common democratic and humanitarian values and a mutual opposition to Islamist fanaticism.

The joint strategic interest shared between the US and Israel has a long history of resisting aggressors in the Middle East who sought to invade their neighbors, some with the blessings of Moscow. When Syria invaded Jordan in 1970, it was only Israeli military strength that saved the Jordanian regime of King Hussein; in 1981, Israel destroyed the nuclear reactor of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, a critical factor in the US-led coalition being able to evict Saddam from Kuwait. For Israel's ongoing contribution to America's security through intelligence sharing, General George S. Keegan, a retired US Air Force Intelligence Chief, stated he could not have obtained the same intelligence "with five CIAs."

Recently, two well-regarded academics, John Mearshimer and Steven Walt, have written a book, THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND US FOREIGN POLICY, in which they attack the values of the strategic partnership between Israel and the US. They assert that the continuing support for Israel by the US government and the public is the result of the efforts of a domestic group, "The Israel Lobby," made up of Jews and Christians, who control America's Middle East policy and push it in a direction that does not serve American interests.

Some of their policy allegations are nothing short of startling. Did you know for starters, that the Iraq War was not the work of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice, as we all thought but of "The Israel Lobby"?

Those who know most about what actually happened strenuously contest Mearshimer-Walt. So does the history for, after all, the world-changing event of 9/11 provoked the administration's key policymakers, all non-Jewish, non-lobbymakers, the President, the Vice-President, the National Security Advisor, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense, to decide that an attack on Iraq was in the best interests of the US. They were supported by most senior military leaders just emerging from an extraordinary victory in Afghanistan. Peter Wehner, former Director of the White House Office of Strategic Initiatives called Mearsheimer and Walt's description of the "Lobby" and their role in the Iraq War as "ludicrous."

Then there is 9/11. How can that be blamed on the "Israel Lobby"? Osama bin Laden and Islamist terrorists, we are told, wanted to punish America for not pushing Israel during their occupation of the West Bank and Gaza -- and America, of course, was doing what "The Israel Lobby" told it to do. Yet these attacks were planned during the Oslo years when there were high hopes for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. With America's encouragement, Israel and the Palestinians were in peace negotiations in 1993, the year of the first attack on the WTC; that Camp David negotiations were taking place in the year 2000, as bin Laden terrorist envoys were being trained as pilots in preparation of their attack on the WTC; not to speak of bin Laden himself who stated it was the US presence in Muslim Holy lands, especially in Saudi Arabia, that was what drove him to jihad and the attacks on the US. Most experts acknowledge that if Israel ceased to exist, al Qaeda's hatred and contempt for America would continue because of America's ties to "apostates and criminals" who rule in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan, the Emirates, and Pakistan.

There's a whole list of characters missing from the Walt-Mearsheimer melodrama. Arab armies, airline terrorists, suicide bombers, are conspicuous by their absence. Why? Because the authors' thesis required every Israeli action to be seen as gratuitous oppression of the Palestinians. For example, when they argue that the 1967 Six-Day War could have been solved peacefully by Israel, they ignore the willingness of Israel to partition the land before 1967, just as they ignore the rise of Fatah and Palestinian terrorism, such as the Munich Olympic massacre, Black September, suicide bombings of innocent Israelis, the hijacking of airliners. They ignored the direct provocations to that war such as terrorist attacks coming from Egyptian territories, the closing of the Straits of Tiran and Egypt, the removal of the UN peacekeeping mission on Egypt's initiative, etc.

Perhaps the most unsettling description is their misrepresentation of UN Resolutions 242 and 338, the operative international resolutions that control the political parameters of a negotiated settlement between the Palestinians and the Israelis. The authors imply in several places that Israel is required to return all the territories in the West Bank to the Palestinians and withdraw to the pre-1967 borders. Why? Because they leave out the key phrase from 242, which is that the Israelis and Palestinians were to negotiate "secure and recognized boundaries," since the previous boundaries were neither secure nor recognized, and so 242 does not require Israel to return all the land they conquered in the 1967 War. The authors of Resolution 242 emphasized time and again that Israel was not required to retreat to the prewar lines, and that Israel's future boundaries would necessarily be different from the lines of June 4, 1967. This was so central to the debate over the Resolution and so critical to this conflict as to be inconsistent with the academic qualifications of the authors.

Then they deny the Palestinians were principally responsible for the collapse of the Oslo process and the Camp David talks. This is quite contrary to the knowledge of virtually all Americans who attended Camp David II, including President Clinton, who said that the Israelis were ready to make a deal within the parameters of his proposals, but not Arafat. Indeed, the Saudi Ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar, was waiting at his home for Arafat to visit after the decisive meeting with Clinton, because he had arranged for political cover for Arafat's anticipated agreement from the Kings of Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Jordan, and the President of Egypt -- only to have Arafat fail to show up.

Not to speak of the fact that if they allege that the US is so subservient to the "Israel Lobby," how is it that there are so many issues on which Jewish groups have been opposed by the US government? The dialogue with Yassir Arafat; the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia; the decision of President Reagan to go to the cemetery in Bitburg, Germany; the opposition to the construction of settlements in certain parts of the West Bank; the presence of Prime Minister Shamir to attend the Madrid Conference after the first Gulf War -- and the list goes on and on.

The authors' interpretations of so many of the events that they describe is contrary to that of many outsiders with expertise in the Middle East who have identified innumerable distortions, omissions, and errors, that cumulatively invalidate their conspiratorial thesis. One eminent Israeli historian, Benny Morris, who in fact is frequently quoted in their book in support of their thesis, had the following comment about it, "Their work is riddled with shoddiness and defiled by mendacity. Were 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy' an actual person, I would have to say that he did not have a single honest bone in his body."

How to assess a book that is hurled down from the ivory towers of Chicago University and Harvard's Kennedy School in Cambridge and that is dressed up as scholarship with a thousand footnotes and a 100-book bibliography, when only 3 of the footnotes refer to correspondence with sources and 2 to interviews with sources?

Walt-Mearsheimer argue they did not need interviews and indeed they said "We felt we already had sufficient information about 'The Lobby's' operations, and traditional research would not have altered our conclusions." Why the diminution of "traditional research," which in fact means original work? It means checking the nature and quality of that "sufficient information." It means testing it against other sources. It means the kind of documentation that is not just dressed up to appear as scholarship but, in fact, validates their conclusions, that would be necessary for a first-class publication, even for a decent undergraduate essay in an average university. Why were they afraid to test their interpretation of events against the facts? It can only be that their minds were made up already.

Conspiracy theories die hard. Much of the Muslim world still believes Mossad, not Osama, bombed the World Trade Center; cable television is currently running yet another weird take on the Kennedy assassination. How could two reputable academics leave themselves open to invalidation of their core arguments by experts in the Middle East who have identified so many one-sided presentations, tendentious statements, misquotations, omissions, and outright errors in the book?

Israel is certainly not immune from criticism as they suggest, nor should it be. There are plenty of grounds for criticism. There is much responsible criticism of Israel here in the US -- not to speak of criticism within the raucous process of Israeli politics. This prompted one commentator to respond to the perceived power of the "Israel Lobby" by quoting a 92-year-old man who was sued in a paternity suit, "He was so proud that he pleaded guilty."

Israel cannot and should not be blamed for everything that has occurred in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the creation of Israel to the present day. Such a one-sided presentation by Walt-Mearsheimer, one that collects every charge against Israel and the Jewish community in the U.S., some from the most unreliable of sources and some that misrepresent and inaccurately represent the views of those quoted (I am one), only raises questions of the fairness and balance of the authors and makes a considered dialogue on the issue more difficult. The accusation that Jews unhappy secretly control the politics of the country has historical echoes and contributes to a conclusion the authors allege they don't believe.

What the authors seem unwilling to recognize is that, for decades, American public opinion and American policies have sided with the Israelis with or without the "Israel Lobby." Former Secretary of State George Shultz recently pointed this out in his comments about the book, "The US supports Israel not out of favoritism based on political pressure or influence, but because both political parties, and virtually all our national leaders, agree with the American people's view that supporting Israel is politically sound and morally just." Then he said, "Those who blame Israel and its Jewish supporters for US policies they do not support are wrong. They are wrong because support for Israel is in our best interests. They are wrong because Israel and its supporters have the right to try to influence US policy. And they are wrong because the US government is responsible for the policies it adopts, not any other state or any myriad lobbyists and groups that battle daily -- sometimes with lies -- to win American support."

Former Secretary Shultz is supported by another long-time White House counselor and insider, David Gergen, who wrote in US News and World Report, "Over the course of four tours in the White House, I never once saw a decision in the Oval Office to tilt U.S. foreign policy in favor of Israel at the expense of America's interests."

There is another dimension which was left completely out of their "realist" approach to foreign policy that parallels the special feeling America has had for the United Kingdom (UK) even when we were the only superpower in the world counterbalancing Soviet power. We could have ignored England, but abandoning them would have been unthinkable given our long emotional identification with the UK and a century-long relationship of working together on foreign policy.
In a sense, the same is true with Israel. The United States supports Israel as a nation that shares its values and interests. The vast majority in this country recognize the consequences if America abandoned a long-time friend and ally for whom they have always had a special feeling partly because it is the "Holy Land" and the country of the Bible, and partly because it is a democracy founded by immigrants from different shores, many of them fleeing religious persecution. To do so would be a devastating comment, not just on the reliability of US commitment, but on the very character of the US. For if we do not stand by and for our friends, whom do we stand for?

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I'm shocked that anybody can seriously entertain the idea that there is an Israel Lobby.Obviously, only an Anti-Semite can say there is.
I've been to Washington, visited the Capitol. I saw the Lobby of the Senate and such but there is no Israel Lobby in sight there. None!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/01/2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_QshS2EW8

THE PRICE
Was It Really Worth It, Mrs. Albright?

By Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair

What moved those kamikaze Muslims to embark, some many months ago on the training that they knew would culminate in their deaths as well of those (they must have hoped) of thousands upon thousands of innocent people? Was it the Koran plus a tape from Osama bin Laden? The dream of a world in which all men wear untrimmed beards and women have to stay at home or go outside only when enveloped in blue tents? I doubt it. If I had to cite what steeled their resolve the list would surely include the exchange on CBS in 1996 between [Bill Clinton"s (Zionist) Secretary of State] Madeleine Albright and then US ambassador to the United Nations and Lesley Stahl. Albright was maintaining that sanctions had yielded important concessions from Saddam Hussein.

Stahl: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And you know, is the price worth it?"

Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price ­ we think

the price is worth it."

They read that exchange in the Middle East. It was infamous all over the Arab world.

Well, the typists and messenger boys and back-office staffs throughout the Trade Center didn't know that history. There's a lot of other relevant history they probably didn't know but which those men on the attack planes did. How could those people in the Towers have known, when US political and journalistic culture is a conspiracy to perpetuate their ignorance? Those people on the Towers were innocent portions of the price that Albright insisted, in just one of its applications, as being worth it. It would honor their memory to insist that in future our press offers a better accounting of how America's wars for Freedom are fought and what the actual price might include.

SOURCE : www.counterpunch.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 10/01/2007

"No one has explained why, according to US policy, Iran cannot have nuclear weapons but
Israel can." - posted by asl3676

People keep asking this question, but ignoring the answer. The reason Israel can have nukes is the same as the reason that India and Pakistan can -- those three countries are the only 3 in the world that are not signatories to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. (North Korea was a signatory, but withdrew from the treaty.) So, as far as "International Law" goes, Israel, India, and Pakistan had a perfect right to develop nuclear weapons, but for Iran to do so would put them in violation of treaty agreements with the rest of the world.

I'm not "siding with" Israel in any of this argument, but as far as that one particular question goes, well, there's your answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 10/01/2007

There is still no proof that Iran is trying to have a nuclear weapon of any type. There IS evidence that they are trying to refine uranium; this is WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS as defined by the NPT treaty that they signed. Everyone seems to ignore this. And the UN inspectors have no evidence that they are making nuclear weapons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 10/01/2007

I agree completely. My post was not meant to offer opinion on whether or not Iran's actions to date constitute a breach of the NPT, but only to highlight the difference in status between Israel & Iran with respect to proliferation & International Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/01/2007

Please, Mr. Zuckerman. We're not as poorly-read as you would have us. Spare us all your shame defending a lobby that truly exists (of which you are clearly a part), that truly has had "C"onsiderable influence in American foreign policy well beyond the ACTUAL interests of American citizens. It's about time we cut the apron strings and let America determine for itself it's global interests rather than interests based on the limited though monied interests of Israeli politics. It's time for America to put the "Israel Lobby" where it belongs ... registered as a foreign lobby and out of the business of dictating American foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 09/30/2007

"Then there is 9/11. How can that be blamed on the "Israel Lobby"?"

Take a survey on these pages, and I'll bet you'll get plenty of answers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 09/30/2007

I think it quite frankly and honestly boils down to the religion thing. Israel was basically
founded in '48, and in about '54 they added
the 'under god' to our national pledge.

If you read your bible, it talks about Israel,
promised land, Moses, Jesus, Charleton Heston
marching around in a bathrobe, the whole trip.
Well, maybe not Charlton Heston, but the
rest of it all points toward that part of the
world. So, in a nutshell, our country pisses
away 1/2 trillion a year and probably more
so ignorant people that can't well shift for
themselves can recite religious literature,
and beat their heads on a wall.

Myself, I've got a lot of questions about the
whole business, yes, business of religion,
and the espoused piety of some of its' more
prominent purveyors, as well as some of their
stealthier political ambitions.

I really wish the rest of the countries in
the world would get wise to the concept of
well-kept borders, and frankly, if it wasn't
for the oil in the middle east, no one would
honestly give 2 shits about the place. No offense, but also, nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 09/30/2007

Dear realitytrumpsbull --

This is the most brilliant comment I have ever read on HuffPo.

Keep up the great thinking! If you represent the future of this country, I feel warm and fuzzy about what lies ahead for my children and grandchildren.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 09/30/2007

As a corollary,the bombing of Beirut last year was the kind of activity we condemn,punishing civilians for the actions of combatants.Blair refused to object and was forced out,the story in the press was that Bush had promised him a push on peace with the Palestinians if he stayed on board.Blair who I used to admire has become a full fledged Neocon to advance his post PM career,sadly he may be on the wrong train as these people are completely unAmerican we are acting like the Nazis under their control.A lot of good American boys have been sent on a mission to enforce the Neocon agenda,give Mort and Friedman a pack and a rifle,with their level of commitment they should be able to carry out the mission no problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 09/30/2007

Well...Mort, you ridicule the authors with sarcasm. That is an old cheap trick. Very cheap and it undermines your own arguments.

And while make fun of the authors, you accuse them of making claims that they never did. I.e. that an Israeli lobby (yes, there is a very influential Israeli lobby)was the only group behind the disastrous war -- a war that is a disaster for the US and for Israel.

Your final point (taken from the AIPAC story book) is what is most distrubing:

"The United States supports Israel as a nation that shares its values and interests. ..."

The US has shared values and interest with many countries, and in fact with all of humanity.

Do remember that Israel is founded on the ideals of Zionism, and Zionism riddidled with colonial, racists ideals of another time in Europe. These are not the shared values and interest of the US.

".... The vast majority in this country recognize the consequences if America abandoned a long-time friend and ally for whom they have always had a special feeling partly because it is the "Holy Land" and the country of the Bible...."

Oh, brother, here we go again with this bible stuff to justify foreign policy, let alone a land grab at the expense of another people? A "special feeling!"

Besides, countries have interests, not friends.

If the Israeli leadership wants go do good for Israelis and secure peace and prosperity, it can start by giving back the Golan Heights (and chasing 80,000 Syrians from their homes) and other territiries it illegally confiscated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/30/2007

Let's get real. The Israel lobby was a major factor in getting the Kyl-Lieberman resolution passed. That is why Hillary felt she had to vote for it. The Israel lobby wants the U.S. to go to war with Iran. If Iran gets nuclear weapons Israel will lose its monoply on nuclear weapons in the middle east.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 09/30/2007

SEARCHING FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE AND PEACE

ANTI-SEMITISM IS EVIL, just as is anti-any-ethic-group. But what about ANTI-ISRAEL, based on the behavior of that nation?

We Americans need to stop playing word games. For example, if we apply Webster's definition of "TERRORISM" to the already-forgotten recent Middle East war between Israel and Hezbollah, and use OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENTS, then Israel and not Hezbollah was the biggest terrorist in this tragedy, with 50 to 1 non-combatant deaths for Lebanon vs. Israel (2/3 of Israeli dead were soldiers), and an even greater disparity in terms of infrastructure and the long-term suffering of people. Israel could have fought Hezbollah up close and personal, but instead involved a million innocent Lebanonese in an asymmetrical war using United States-supplied warplanes and smart bombs.

Of course, the word terrorism is reserved for our enemies, and not part of our terms of endearment with Israel. However, before we consign what happened to Lebanon and its people to "collateral damage" and it completely fades from our short attention span, perhaps we can find a more appropriate term to describe ravaged Lebanon, such as "collateral devastation." As the pendulum of action and reaction/cause and effect swings our way, we won't just sit and wonder why these terrible terrorists hate us and want to kill us (they do 9-11, we do Lebanon, and so on).

Human beings think and rationalize in words. For this reason, words decide issues. Many people use words imprecisely or for advantage, and not for truth. The prime example here, anti-Semitism and anti-Israel are not the same thing. If they were the same, then the Israeli government would be infallible. Israeli tough-guy terror (seen often, even on American TV) is about half the reason the United States is hated in the Middle East. Unfortunately, we have to go along too because no one can speak the truth of words and reality. Our one-sided policy in the Middle East is a disaster. NO war with Iran for Israel!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 09/30/2007

It is clear that the majority of these anti-Semitic, anti-Israel postings are written by folks who would completely comfortable with the Selections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 09/30/2007



MrLiberal I have not read a single anti Semitic posting so far. Stop with the attempt to equate Jews with Israel. In fact, start with an attempt to explain why any invader should have driven the Palestinians from their lands. Just one will do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/30/2007

As with a number of the postings here you did not read what I wrote, but what you seem to think I wrote. I ssaid that if one reads all of the postings most of them are either anti-Semitic or anti-Israel. And in case you missed it, the Jewish state is Israel. Asking someone to not equate Israel with Jews is absurd, almost Pythonesque.
As for ownership of the land, Jewish settlers bought large tracts of land from largely absentee landlords. And despite what you might think, eretz Israel was never devoid of a significant Jewish presence. As for the West Bank and Golan, those were taken in a war of defense in 1967. Those areas were gained through Cession, the transferring of ownership of land through a war. It's basic international law. One more thought, many Arabs left at the request of the leadership of the Arab states at war with Israel. Yes, some were forced to leave, but not even a majority were "driven" off.
Here is another thing to consider, if the West Bank and Gaza are a Palestinian homeland why did no Arab state create one in the years between 1948 and 1967, or even prior to 1948? Egypt and Jordan did not create or promote an Palestinian homeland in the years they controlled Gaza and the West Bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 09/30/2007

"Is there any criminal act that Israel can do without being protected from criticism from the United States? If there is, I haven't seen it. And I haven't seen it from the Bush Administration or from the Clinton Administration or from any administration before them. But when you consider the influence of Israel's lobby and its political action committees and the more than $41 million they've given to Congress and the White House, is it any wonder Israel is shielded from any shame? For more than 54 years the Israelis have committed acts that no other nations would dare get away with. But even here in America, where it is not yet illegal to publicly ask the wrong questions, any public figure that does so is subjected to smears, intimidation, and the attempted destruction of his career and reputation by Jewish organizations, and by the very cooperative news media."
- U.S. Brigadier General James J. David (Ret.), "A Passionate Attachment to Israel", Dec. 2002


So, I guess you have a problem with the General, Mr. Zuckerman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/30/2007

It ain't a myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/30/2007

Israel is not the 51st state of America.

If you love and wish to protect Israel.

1 - move there and
2 - join their military

The US has NO business in the ME.

How would the US feel if Iran invaded Mexico or Canada?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/30/2007

Ah, the irony. DO NOT READ THIS BOOK! THAT'S AN ORDER! And yet Mr. Zuckerman's naive understanding of foreign policy (he apparently thinks feeling should overrule the Constitution) shines throughout his piece.

All of the central facts he conveniently ignores ("forbidden questions," after all are the red meat of ideologues) tell the tale. Karl Marx said, "a good socialist does not ask that question." And Mr. Zuckerman is incensed that Walt and Meershimer have dared to.

DO NOT READ THIS BOOK! Really!!! Or we will call you nasty names!

Gee, it's always worked before ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/30/2007

"The idea for Freedom"s Watch was hatched in March at the winter meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition in Manalapan, Fla... "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 09/30/2007


HarvardLaw.org:

In 1991, the first President Bush signed into law, Public Bill 102-14, that recognizes the Noahide Laws to be the bedrock of our civilization.

Noahide.com:The Seven Noahide Laws

G-d gave Noah and all his descendants (B'nei Noach or "children of Noah") seven commandments to obey. These Seven Universal Laws (also known as the "Seven Noahide Laws") were reaffirmed with Moses and the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai, so that observance of these laws should now be done according to the Oral Torah (the revelation at Sinai). These seven commandments (mitzvos) are not arbitrary laws, but rather G-d's plan for mankind. (To the Jewish people G-d gave the entire Torah [teaching] as their Law. They therefore have a special responsibility"with special commandments"to be the priesthood of the world, a "light unto the nations.")

Non-Jews who (1) reject all idolatrous ideas and accept the kingship of the One G-d, (2) accept the priesthood of the Jewish people as the guardians and teachers of Torah, and (3) commit to following the Seven Noahide Laws as revealed in the Oral Torah from Mt. Sinai are "Hasidic Gentiles" or "Noahides." The term "Hasidic Gentile" is derived from a classic commentary by the Rambam, Rav Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), in The Laws of Kings 8:11:

"Anyone who accepts upon himself the fulfillment of these Seven Mitzvos [commandments] and is precise in their observance is considered one of the hasidei umos ha'olam ["Hasidim of the nations of the world"] and will merit a share in the World to Come."

The Seven Noahide Laws are the minimal observance for non-Jews.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 09/30/2007

Daddy Bush made all Americans Jewish with a swipe of a pen.
OH BOY, Wait till the rednecks find out they are now Jews.
WHOOT, WHOOT WHAT FUN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 09/30/2007

I am very thankful, that the Huffingtonpost allows all types of view points on controversial issues such as this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 09/30/2007

The only problems I have with Israel or the middle east are:
Number 1. Even the Israelis Government says if the ULTA ORTHODOX JEWS would work they could add $2 TRILLION DOLLARS to the Israeli Economy.
Then Israel would not need USA AIDE. 200,000+ do not work they only STUDY THE TORA and LIVE OFF WELAFRE that is about equal to the amount of U.S. AIDE. There no reason for this. They eat so they must work if they can.
Number 2. I belive the Saudi's use Israel and the USA to keep the rest of the ARAB WORLD stired up so they will not FOCUS on the KINDOM OF THE SAUDI'S and begin questioning thier use of wealth for luxuries while MILLIONS OF MUSULIMS ARE STRAVING. Turmioil helps the Saudi's make money off weapons and shipping and other things they have that vast fortune invested in. Turn the spotlights on the Saudi's and see what rats scurry away!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/30/2007

There is a Middle Ground in this conflict and Mort Zuckerman is not in the middle at all but is on one extreme end fueling the fight. Rather than contributing to bringing about peace, Mort and others are merely fueling the fight because he and they believe the status quo of unresolved issues is good for Israel in the long run. But the rise of Islamicism which is undermining and destroying secular Arab leadership across the Middle East, good bad or otherwise, will eventually defeat Israel because they don't compromise for nothing. If I were Israeli, I would work toward finding a genuine solution with the Palestinians now, not later as hatred on both sides continues to reinforce itself among younger generations of Palestinians and Israelis.

Those who deny their own wrongs are the biggest contributors to the conflict -- Mort you are one of them. Those who acknowledge their own sins, are the peacemakers.

Ray Hanania
www.IPComedyTour.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/30/2007

"...hatred on both sides continues to reinforce itself among younger generations of Palestinians and Israelis."

Actually - and this needs to be realized - there is no institutionalized "hatred" of the Palestinians in Israel - unlike in the territories, children are NOT taught to hate the Palestinians in schools and at religious centers.

The hatred and ideology that drives someone to blow up civilians as well as themselves is completely one sided - ask yourself the last time an Israeli suicide bomber blew himself up at a cafe in Gaza.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/30/2007

Jonyank:

Ask yourself when was the last time you saw Palestinian or any Arab planes or tanks killing civilian populations in Israel.

When one side has the overwhelming preponderance of military firepower and refuses to negotiate underlying issues in dispute, the weaker side resorts to what the oppressor calls 'terrorism'.

Israel has an overwhelming superiority of conventional weaponry and will not negotiate in good faith the status of East Jerusalem which it intends to retain or the return of Palestinians displaced by the creation of Israel.

Building settlements and walls in Palestinian territory gives rise to acts of 'terrorism'.

It is in Israel's long-term interest to demonstrate that it can contribute to the well-being of the region in which it has been placed.

A simple announcement that it is not the policy of the Israeli Government to expand its borders based on what they allege God promised them would be a helpful gesture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 09/30/2007

Ask yourself the last time a an Israeli died fighting in a war that wound up expanding the land occupied by Israel. I guess they were suicide killers with the latest equipment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/30/2007

Ok, Mr. Zuckerman, just what is AIPAC and what is it trying to do? You conveniently left this out of your rant. Who belongs and how much money have they shelled out over the years and to whom:

The answer is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 09/30/2007

Oh wait - so you are saying that AIPAC is lobbying the federal government? As is constitutionally accepted in this country? How dare they!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 09/30/2007

Well, then why don't they register as a foreign agent? Because that's what they really are

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 09/30/2007