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Climate Change Sandy Says to US, 'Take That, Idiots!'

Posted: 10/28/2012 12:47 pm

After the second presidential debate, moderator Candy Crowley said, "Climate change -- I had that question, all you climate change people. We just -- you know, again, we knew that the economy was still the main thing, so you knew you kind of wanted to go with the economy." And the media's been talking about low information voters?

Now, along comes Sandy, who says to Candy, "Okay, then, take that!" See, Sandy doesn't get into debating these things, either. Now, let's see what Sandy's bill ends up being -- anyone taking bets? -- then let's sit down and talk some economy. In fact, there's an idea: Maybe a new American pastime could be organized 'disaster gambling,' with states collecting revenue as everyone bets on the tab for each new upcoming climate change disaster in their respective states?

Perhaps some still take issue with the suggestion that a superstorm like this is caused by our human-engendered climate change. But cigarette packages say things like, "cigarettes cause fatal lung disease." This, of course, is just shorthand, a monumental simplification, because in fact causation in complex systems is always a vastly complicated affair, and tobacco companies spent lots of money blowing smoke in the face of all that complexity: but the likelihood of getting lung disease is so greatly increased by smoking that eventually they gave up and we all agreed to go 'low-info' by just saying cigarettes cause fatal lung disease. As I'll demonstrate, in much the same way, we might as well keep it simple and just say this superstorm is caused by our human-made climate change.

I've been writing on the Arctic crisis, and in a recent long list of immediate physical changes from loss of summer Arctic sea ice, I listed (as #12) its potential impacts on weather at lower latitudes. It so happens that it is just at this time of year that this has the clearest line of causation, since lots of heat and moisture enter the atmosphere from the open waters that had been ice covered, and latent heat is released in the refreezing process, which progresses rapidly as the Arctic cools down right around now. Dr. Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University, whose work was featured on the front page of the New York Times earlier this year, wrote in a recent paper (with Stephen Vavrus), "This warming is clearly observable during autumn in near-surface air temperature anomalies in proximity to the areas of ice loss."

And this in turn becomes very important for large-scale atmospheric circulation. For example, Dr. Francis has used the metaphor of a river going down a steep incline, which runs straight, versus a river that runs along a flat plain, which tends to meander. Likewise the jet stream, since the normal energy gradient between Arctic air and that of lower latitudes has become more relaxed in tandem with ice extent drops, is tending to meander more, and hence move more slowly as well. As the Francis paper said, "Previous studies support this idea: weaker zonal-mean, upper-level wind* is associated with increased atmospheric blocking events in the northern hemisphere." [*she means high west-east moving winds]

Let's look back again at this superstorm, and you'll see that important features of what you're about to experience stem from the Arctic situation I've been discussing. First, Arctic air is coming down to hook up with Sandy from the dip of the jet stream. Francis writes (from personal communication),

"The huge ice loss this summer, and subsequent enhanced warming of the Arctic (see attached figure), may be playing an important role in the evolution of Sandy by enhancing the amplitude of waves in the jet stream."

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At the same time, high pressure over Greenland, and the extremely negative state of the North Atlantic Oscillation, is creating a blocking event that is impacting the path of Sandy herself, sending her back west over the U.S. Again, Dr. Francis (in personal communication):

"In this case, the effects could be causing strengthening of the block, elongating the block northward, and/or increasing its duration -- and this block is what's driving Sandy on such an unusual track westward into the mid-Atlantic coast."

Now, let's add to all that the underlying and obvious thing -- that Sandy is only surviving as a hurricane so far north, almost in November, because there are record high sea surface temperatures off the U.S. East coast right now. And while the third storm component, the one coming in from the west, might seem less remarkable, that is also something that generally becomes more probable with global warming, as our atmosphere can hold more water vapor as it warms and the evaporation rate is also increased by the warming. Thus, all major components of this superstorm show the signature of human-induced climate change to varying degrees, and without global warming the chance of the three occurring together like this would have a probability of about zero. So, let's make it simple, and just say climate change caused this storm.

I'm in New York City, just as much in the path of Sandy as so many others are, but come on, you do just have to sit back and love it, appreciate the full irony of it all, with Sandy striking right at those most sensitive loins of our American democracy, threatening to interrupt our sacred electoral process, after that process blocked climate change out, and now an atmospheric blocking pattern, created by that very climate change, pushes Sandy back on us. In a time when climate silence trumps climate science, when the candidates seem terrified to mention the 'C-word,' Candy, I hope you enjoy meeting Sandy. Maybe if the election gets as messed up as 2000, you three can even find time to meet up again, and go over a little issue you couldn't quite find time to fit in before?

 
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12:01 PM on 11/02/2012
To all those skeptics and deniers; I remember a cartoon where a man is plummeting past a building window and is saying, "So far, so good." Your ignorance exemplifies the idea behind the cartoon, "Every thing looks fine from here." Do you actually read the articles or are you incapable of understanding what is actually happening to the world we've been given? Our stewardship of this world has been abysmal, as has been your attitude toward it.
02:05 AM on 10/30/2012
While it is always theoretically valid to say any given weather event cannot be attributed to climate change some of the recent research demonstrates that for certain types of extreme the increase in probabilities is so significant that the vast majority of those events occurring recently are effectively due to climate change.

If one can identify the fingerprint of climate change in the behaviour of this sort of storm is perhaps less well understood, but nonetheless it's a valid question. I have often heard it said "sooner or later a sufficiently extreme event might wake people up" - in reference to not only those in entrenched denial but the greater mass of people who go on with daily life, pushing this problem to the back of their mind.

Problem is - I haven't seen convincing evidence of this "awakening" despite the fact we now understand the link between climate change and weather extremes (and associated natural disasters), and know that this is rapidly escalating as the ice/snow albedo is lost from the Arctic (with a tinge of methane time bomb lurking in the wings).

So what would it take for people to actually do something meaningful?

I'm left with this sense that most people will just sleep walk right off the edge of this cliff, adjusting to ever worsening conditions and trying to go about daily living until their daily lives consist of riots, famines and conflict - and modern civilisation comes crumpling down.

How else to interpret the situation?
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02:52 PM on 10/30/2012
It is a very complex situation. It involves the complexity of climate and human behavior. Try some different hypotheses. You will probably have to generate a lot of hypothetical outcomes to have even a slight chance of coming up with one that is even remotely close to what is really going to happen.

There is a lot of energy among younger people. People have a lot more intelligence and common sense then we give them credit for sometimes. Often people act stupidly out of ignorance or willful manipulation by sociopathic social institutions, so making sure that the truth is readily availabile is important.
06:22 PM on 10/30/2012
This is a good point - especially about the reasons people can act stupidly and the need to make sure the truth (or the best facts that we have at least) are readily available to all.

However, as climate change becomes increasingly abrupt (eg loss of arctic sea ice within a few years) the scope to actually exert any meaningful impact on it rapidly dwindles away. The severity of the impacts also mitigates against longer range concerns at that point - I'm quite sure nobody experiencing problems as a result of Sandy are going to be thinking they ought to change their behaviour to reduce the risk of such storms rising over the next few decades? (ignoring that this alone would be insufficient to stop the processes now at work in the Arctic)
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John Moran
04:11 PM on 10/29/2012
I think it says quite a lot, that any time Climate Change is mentioned, the same posters immediately come out of nowhere (never on any other threads here) and bombard every person who is concerned about climate change with name calling and misinformation. That monitor this and other sites, because their job is denial. They have an organization funded by Exxon and the like, to create doubt, and by any means necessary. It's really a living example of corruption, greed, and a weak moral character by those who do so.
11:05 AM on 10/29/2012
Such meteorological irony isn't without precedent. The Kyoto protocols talks in Bonn July 16th to 27th, 2001, where "Carbon Sinks" where the hotly debated new gimmick concept, got greeted on the 24th of July by a freak snow storm in Saudi Arabia of all places! A snow storm in Saudi Arabia in mid-summer, imagine that! Now and then, Saudi Arabia was and is famous for huge fossil stocks of carbon already sinked-out in the depths of the Earth...
10:15 AM on 10/29/2012
The usual disclaimer: no singular weather event can conclusively attributed to AGW. However, climate scientists have been predicting the sorts of events we have seen over the last several years: droughts; higher intensity storms; greater coastal flooding. The astonishing loss of summer Arctic ice may well be the mega-tipping point that will end the relatively benign climate humans have experienced over the last 10-12 thousand years.

The willful refusal of American policy makers, acting at the behest of the very wealthy Carbon Extraction Industry, will rank as the worst crime in human history, and even the dimmest American will get why "they hate us"...for our "freedom" to pollute and not give a s**t that it will kill our children and grandchildren.

1) Ban fossil fuel production.
2) Nationalize the Fossil Fuel Industry firms.
3) Tax carbon. Pay the receipts to Americans per capita.
4) Divert 10% of the DOD budget to renewable energies, until the military budget equals that of the ROC.
5) Establish a reparations fund to pay climate justice claims.
12:18 PM on 10/29/2012
Every time I read the words "climate justice" I'd like to impose some "intelligence justice" on the poster! Your 5 point plan shows a mentality that is questionable at best.
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John Moran
03:46 PM on 10/29/2012
Your willfully ignorant denial shows something far worse.
05:22 PM on 10/29/2012
Impressive debate skills. I suspect you have no clue what "justice" means, or what the climate justice movement entails. But, prove me wrong. Demonstrate, logically and based on evidence, why the climate justice claimants claims lack merit.
09:52 AM on 10/29/2012
Nathan, thank you for writing this piece (despite having to spell out the somewhat obvious), for your insight to knowing certainty here and for circling back into the commentary with terseness shining additional light into dark nooks and crannies where clearly its needed.
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eaarth2
“An era ends when its illusions are exhausted
06:10 AM on 10/29/2012
The huge loss of arctic sea ice is likely causing change in the jet-stream- a blocking high pressure system in Greenland has stopped this storm from taking the usual northeast turn storms like this usually take. Powerful mid latitude fronts as in this case merging with a tropical system are discussed in Hansen's 'Storms of My Grandchildren'---- too much heat in the atmosphere now collected by the trapping of heat via greenhouse gases- its all what Hansen has said from 25 years ago- and its happening now- faster then even he thought-
06:40 AM on 10/29/2012
Hansen said a lot, usually with forged data. Your point?
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07:10 AM on 10/29/2012
forged data? From whom? NASA, the NOAA? The only forged data is from the Tea Party, the Heartland institute, Steve Goddard, John Cristy, Anthony Watts- and the other right wing hacks-- Hansen, Mann, others have impeccable credentials- and you and the others?
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eaarth2
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07:17 AM on 10/29/2012
forged data Anyone with a brain sees globally what is happening- and here in Connecticut I see it! And you have the arrogance to come here and say 'forged'?
Our coastline being decimated- floods, massive destruction- massive evacuations- lecture to me about forged data-
12:01 PM on 10/29/2012
I think your quote says it all “An era ends when its illusions are exhausted".And the Climate Silence bubble may be just about to burst. I just wrote an article on my Blog about the Irony of Hurricane Sandy, using this article among others as a reference.

If you wish to read the article - here's the link: http://www.boomerwarrior.org/2012/10/the-irony-of-super-storm-sandy/.
05:49 AM on 10/29/2012
That's right... before mankind and the theory of global warming, the Earth was a weather paradise. Summers never got hot, winters never got cold and the oceans never, ever produced big cyclonic storms. You had pretty birds tweeting, lions playing with gazelles and butterflies on every flower 365 days a year.
It's all our fault... rain, clouds, wind, B-movies... all of it.

There, I said it. Go ahead, censor me now.
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StephenBP
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06:24 AM on 10/29/2012
Gee, nobody censored your C-grade emotional rant.

I guess your predictive abilities aren't very good.

Maybe you could take some science and math courses at night school and improve them!
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John Moran
03:54 PM on 10/29/2012
F'd and F'd :)
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Nathan Currier
12:40 PM on 10/29/2012
The fact that Earth's state has ranged very widely - from near snowball to near hothouse conditions - over geological time, or that weather itself is inherently chaotic, is irrelevant to my article itself, which it sounds as though you didn't actually read. The point was that this specific storm shows various particular pathways of attribution, and we can clearly see the signature of human-induced climate change in some of them. That makes it interesting, because it is more readily attributable to human global warming than many other weather events, except in the sense that, as Kevin Trenberth has begun pointing out lately, everything gets impacted to some extent by climate change.
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John Moran
03:55 PM on 10/29/2012
I really appreciate you studying this. Thank you, and please don't ever be deterred by oil funded deniers. You are on the right side of history with this.
03:35 AM on 10/29/2012
Reading many of the posts here, it reminds me of smokers many years ago who scoffed at the correlation between tobacco use and various diseases from emphasema to lung cancer. Our addiction to fossil fuels is not much different. Humans won't stop until they have to. Even though the baseline for what is considered "normal" is shifting before our very eyes, many will remain like the proverbial frog in the kettle, unable to notice he's slowly being cooked. When the dinosaurs went extinct, at least their lack of adaptability could be understood as a factor. Human greed, general disconnect from nature, and ability to rationalize, unfortunately, will be our undoing, as it has been in the decline of civilizations past.
06:45 AM on 10/29/2012
You want it rational?

Smoking only raises the chance for certain diseases. It's doesn't mean that there will be a 100% guarantee. That's all there is. Same with "passive smoking". The WHO says 600,000 people die from it every year. Evidence for that claim? None. It's completely statistical. Based on risk factors. There are no corpses, no autopsies, no medical files to back up any of it.

And now comes the bummer... statistics and science are not synonymous.

Discovery of a numerical discrepancy is not science. Accounting for that discrepancy in a reproducible manner is science. And that's where you all fail. Big time.

Challenge for you: stop using all fossil fuel related products. All of them. That means no more reading HuffPo online for you as well. Guess where plastic comes from.
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John Moran
03:57 PM on 10/29/2012
I know where plastics come from. But your arguments are purposefully obtuse, and your motivations aren't for the good, that shows (knowing a little history about when your movement in denial started, and why).
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01:17 PM on 10/31/2012
"Smoking only raises the chance for certain diseases. It's doesn't mean that there will be a 100% guarantee."

Yeah man, it only means that the odds are overwhelming that innumerable smokers will get said diseases.

You don't have a "100% guarantee" that you will survive an airline flight either, or for that matter a drive to the grocery store. Does that stop you from flying or driving?

In any event what point, exactly, are you trying to make here? Apparently all you are trying to do is cast doubt on established scientific findings.

By the way: proper scientific statisical analysis IS scieniffic evidence, your science denier crapolla that would have one believe otherwise notwithstanding.
03:28 AM on 10/29/2012
Typical liberal. He's so pleased with himself at the aspect of being right that he can't be bothered with even pretending to show concern for anyone who may be harmed in this storm.
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StephenBP
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06:32 AM on 10/29/2012
Let me show you what that feels like.


"Typical conservative. So concerned about short term political gain that she can't be bothered to even pretend to understand that the real issue is that the entire human race being irrevocably harmed by thermal pollution from fossil fuels that is producing global warming."

Perhaps you don't get out much but the media is full of warnings about the dangers of this storm. Are you taking care of yourself in that regard? Do you need help?
06:47 AM on 10/29/2012
Funny how the "thermal pollution" (what kind of ridiculous term is that anyway) from fossil fuels still hasn't been proven. Computer models aren't scientific proof.

Funny also how the global temperatures 2,000 and 1,000 years ago were higher. Without fossil fuels. Of course your pope Gore will deny this, but have the archeological evidence for it.

The storm is Cat 1 and the media hypes it because they no longer do actual reporting but rather live from selling badly written end of the world scenarios as fact.
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Nathan Currier
12:46 PM on 10/29/2012
Gee, I mentioned that I was in NYC myself while writing it, no?
(and that makes no difference to the reality of the situation).
Further, the point of the title is not MY indifference, it's nature's
indifference. That indifference will continue ad infinitum, until
extinction, I suppose, if we continue to ignore it, so you had better get used to it -
we have to fit into various physical limits, not the reverse, and that's not liberal or conservative.
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02:01 AM on 10/29/2012
i have some bad news Mr Currier - no one cares about what you find so important and what you've spent your career studying. If only they did, then you'd be somebody! that's pretty much my takeaway from your editorial. throwing a fit because no one cares about your pet project so you're gonna show them! you're gonna take your ball and go home!

in any case, let's concede that you are 100% correct, let's just concede that (truthfully, you are some % correct, but as you say, it's a complex system)...so what? ive never heard a good answer to that question. so weather kills millions of people, countries go bankrupt from disasters, whatever doomsday scenario happens? ok, so what? as some have mentioned, hasn't this ALWAYS been true forever and yet Mother Nature seems to tick along just fine and the world keeps spinning, even if it's without the dinosaurs.

you worry too much and you have an over-inflated sense of importance of your pet studies
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StephenBP
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06:35 AM on 10/29/2012
Here is a thought experiment for you.
Take everything that you said and apply it to yourself. " i have some bad news Mr dumdum2000- no one cares about what you find so important and ......"

Why don't you try that and then report back to us.
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John Moran
04:01 PM on 10/29/2012
Thank you.
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Doug Brockman
09:50 PM on 10/28/2012
Tropical storm coming ashore!

Hasnt that happened for thousand of years?
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
06:36 AM on 10/29/2012
A thousand years ago, there was not a lot of human infrastructure along the coast.
06:49 AM on 10/29/2012
It was also warmer than today.
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09:31 PM on 10/28/2012
World food prices up 10% in one month...
Electric bills are, in fact, skyrocketing...
Gas near $4 per gal...
Meanwhile, AlGore works on his 2nd 100 million.
This Globull Warming scam is the greatest class warfare scheme in the history of the planet
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
06:40 AM on 10/29/2012
Want to feel better about all of this?

Eat less.
Turn your lights off when you aren't using them.
Drive a bicycle or walk.
Stop coveting your neighbor's wealth.
Stop repeating nonsense from people who couldn't care less about you.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
08:41 PM on 10/28/2012
The profit incentive encourages the production of frivolous fossil fuel guzzling internal combustion engine vehicles which are, it should now be obvious, detrimental to the general welfare of the human race.

In a world of intelligent people with well developed long range planning abilities, the production and sale of noisy, polluting, inefficient, unnecessary vehicles to provide ego gratification for their owners and blood stained profit for sellers at the expense of everyone else on the planet would probably be prohibited. Instead, industrial production would be devoted to producing non-fossil energy capture equipment, mass transportation equipment and carbon sequestration systems.

Instead, very few people are actively taking climate change seriously and they are now going to be educated in climate science the hard way, as they learn what happens to a species that foolishly damages their Arctic and with it, their jet stream.

The era of really really bad weather has begun. Perhaps humans will learn that a mindless gratification culture has some very serious drawbacks, including but not limited to collapse.
09:34 AM on 10/29/2012
Nonsense. Stop watching the weather channel 24/7.
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StephenBP
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11:44 AM on 10/29/2012
You've been warned multiple times not to play with fire and yet you insist on doing it. You will suffer when you get burned.

BTW I don't take orders from anyone these days, least of all a foreigner who thinks that his tin foil hat gives him scientific superiority to American climatologists.