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Climate Change Makes the Bad Old Days Look Better

Posted: 11/29/11 08:50 PM ET

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Parents have always taken pride in telling kids how hard things were in the "good old days." That meme is the ultimate weapon when kids have the audacity to think they have it tough. Bill Cosby famously described how his father "walked to school at 4 o'clock every morning... with no shoes on... uphill... both ways... in 5 feet of snow -- and he was THANKFUL!"

But the "things used to be tougher" gambit may be losing some of its power. Thanks, in part, to climate change, snow, wind, sleet, rain, heat, et al., are now becoming stronger and less predictable. "What on Earth?" has already discussed the intense, bizarre nature of weather these days.

Our planet is warmer than any time in recorded human history. Yes -- that even includes when your grandpa was a kid. Heat waves are longer & hotter, and rain is heavier & more frequent; Drought is more common & severe than at any time in the past 100 years. Heck, it's even becoming more common to experience extreme shifts from dry to rain and sun to clouds than it was jus a few decades ago.

Since today's kids face windier wind, dryer droughts, heavier rain, and more blustery blizzards, what can parents lord over them? I humbly suggest the following: if it weren't for the carbon-intensive efforts of previous generations, children would now have nothing to complain about!

It's the gift of gripe, kids. You're welcome.
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12:10 AM on 12/01/2011
There are less than 10 years left until human caused Climate Change becomes irreversible, according to the UN.

"A senior environmental official at the United Nations...says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed.....Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees", threatening political chaos...governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control...."

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http://tinyurl.com/6x8r9yc
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golfvue3
It's all ball bearings these days.
12:58 PM on 11/30/2011
We just set a record for the length of time with NO cat-3 or higher hurricane in the USA in over 100 yrs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html

Too bad for you Algore.
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
10:48 PM on 11/30/2011
Climate extremes are the new norm. In this case, either a tremendous excess of hurricanes, as in 2005, or a relative drought, as golfvue notes. Trust the deniers to miss the point.
11:07 AM on 11/30/2011
I appreciate these comments, but you are only scraping the surface. According to a news report from Al Jazeera, the price of corn in Kenya has risen 161%. Food prices over the world have increased by about 20 % - These are just some of the effects of global warming that are happening right now.

The more you think about global warming and its possible effects, the more terrified you become. We must act now to save the planet because there's a lot more at stake than heavier rains and hotter summers. We can begin by voting against any politician who claims that global climate change does not exist.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:05 PM on 11/30/2011
While I agree completely that climate change is well under way and is already having serious effects on agriculture in many places, the situation in Kenya has a second source -- China is buying farmland all over Africa and is also buying up crops left and right. China has an enormous population that is still growing (though, thankfully, less rapidly than a couple of decades ago) and they have always had food shortages. Either one would drive prices up, but having two sources of the problems just makes it that much worse.
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Dredd
Our government is a wartocracy.
09:54 AM on 11/30/2011
Erroneous politics makes climate change a growing problem without a solution.

http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2011/11/w-direction-revisited-2.html
09:45 AM on 11/30/2011
.."the Permian - Triassic (P-Tr), some 251 MYA, is informally known as 'the Great Dying.' Up to 96 percent of all marine species and 70 percent of terrestrial species were erased as global ecosystems crumbled. Life itself nearly died - and Peter Ward makes a compelling case in "Under a Green Sky: Global Warming, the Mass Extinctions of the Past, and What They Can Tell Us About Our Future" that global warming was the primary culprit." It was volcanic activity in the past and it will be humans digging up 500my worth of carbon and putting in the air in 300 this time around. ALL mass extinctions have happened when carbon PPM was over 1000, we'll be there in roughly 300 years. we are a short sighted and ignorant people to say the least.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:06 PM on 11/30/2011
Yeah, but there is good news -- we will almost certainly become extinct (or, minimally, highly endangered) as a species...but the Republicans won't permit any new species to be added to the endangered list.
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silverwolf13
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10:52 PM on 11/30/2011
Dark humor for a dark time. F&F.
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shankapotomus
09:44 AM on 11/30/2011
You are right where you belong, a comic strip.
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warloch2
Spraying cold reality from the hose of truth.
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jlmurt
09:07 AM on 11/30/2011
I don't need to read the vast majority of upstanding unpaid off scientist's studies to see that our fossil fuel industry is helping to make the world uglie and undesirable, if not uninhabitable to humans.
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abbienormal
What hump?
09:01 AM on 11/30/2011
My grandmother taught me about recycling and conservation of water and land over 40 years ago. We should have listened to our elders more carefully.
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
08:44 AM on 11/30/2011
I guess the author didn't grow up in a northern part of the country. Try some winters around Minneapolis between 1960 and the mid 80's. I think it was the winter of 83 when I endured 6+ weeks of temps below zero with wind chills hovering 30 below every morning on my drive to college. Yeah those were the "good old days"
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Neil Wagner
10:14 AM on 11/30/2011
I grew up in the city of Chicago during the exact period you mentioned — shoveling out cars from unplowed side streets, etc. I know it's not Minnesota, but it sure aint Hawaii. I used the "good old days" phrase ironically, but was trying to make the point that, while we've experienced extreme weather in the past, it's only getting worse.
letsbepeaceful
oh no, my micro-bio is now full...
10:24 AM on 11/30/2011
There will likely be more extreme 'switches' from warm days to frigid snowy ones, sudden thaws followed by heavier snowstorms; summers, hotter and drier, unless it rains, when it will pour instead of just rain.

You actually are agreeing with Wagner when you say it used to be colder in MN - isn't that 'global warming'? He is saying that the weather will have extreme patterns, not necessarily that it will be colder.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
08:39 AM on 11/30/2011
And the Earth's climate has changed how many times? Even long before man was here?
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kmgraham11
08:57 AM on 11/30/2011
Nobody's arguing that the climate doesn't shift naturally. The argument is that it is still warmer than it has ever been even on an upswing in climate. Why is it this warm? The theory is humans suck.
letsbepeaceful
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10:25 AM on 11/30/2011
The article says that the most extreme situations were when the CO2 content was highest - and we are pumping TONS of it into the air every minute. It is not a natural pattern.
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surfinnonreality
EIT Excellence in Trolling Thanks for the talking
08:33 AM on 11/30/2011
From this article the last sentence which sums up global warming for me.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html

With global warming, we have a religion whose leaders are prone to spasms of anger and whose followers are beginning to twitch with boredom. Perhaps that's another way religions die
11:13 AM on 11/30/2011
Let's look at the recent record. Texas is suffering from a record drought. Last April Governor Perry held a three day prayer vigil ordering God to send rain to Texas. Very well. Where's the rain? The last I've heard, much of Texas is still suffering from drought.

Let's analyze Perry's prayer vigil scientifically. Obviously praying for rain will not bring rain. Or perhaps, Perry's fruitless prayer vigil proves that God won't do our homework for us.

Global climate change is a scientifically proven fact. You can argue that the world is flat, but that won't change anything. You can claim that Newton's theory of gravity is false, but I would not recommend jumping off a skyscraper to prove it.

The same applies to global climate change.
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Neil Wagner
11:24 AM on 11/30/2011
Well said.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:13 PM on 11/30/2011
Actually, the drought in Texas continued to worsen -- significantly -- after Perry's religious stunt.
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HellBank
Curve: The loveliest distance between two points.
08:31 AM on 11/30/2011
Ok pubs, we get it, you were told not to believe in global warming. Go ahead and just move on.
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
08:46 AM on 11/30/2011
We just question if it's AWG. Of course there's Climate Change (it's either getting warmer or colder). That has existed for millions of years ( and yes the vast majority of us, believe the earth is more than 6000 years old). So save that comment.
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abbienormal
What hump?
08:59 AM on 11/30/2011
Actually, non-deniers would like to be able to live on the planet with some comfort. I am quite certain that hasn't been the case for "millions of years".

We are also concerned about people in other countries that will have their lives destroyed by the effects of climate change. We are already seeing this happening.

Just take a gander at a globe. This isn't just about you.
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Demitasse
Ars longa, vita brevis
11:59 AM on 11/30/2011
Scientists have long been able to discern the difference between natural CO2 from oceans & volcanoes & CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. They use an instrument called the mass spectrometer to measure the amounts of carbon isotopes in the atmosphere and track the origin of the carbon. Because the chemical signature of natural CO2 is different from that of coal, oil, natural gas, and deforestation, scientists can say with certainty where the increase in atmospheric CO2 originated from: Man.

I've yet to see any peer reviewed science from the denialists that has over turned any finding of the IPCC & climate change believers. How can you honestly compare right wing websites devoted to climate change denial like What'supwitthat, Iceage.com, to NASA, NOAA, & The Royal Meteorological Society? There is no comparison. Distortions, lies & junk science are used to question AGW. And if AGW was a hoax, why haven't the denialists already proven it? What's taking them so long?
11:21 PM on 11/29/2011
The Earth will be fine. It's we who are screwed if the eco system collapses.

That said, I don't believe it has been definitively proven by any stretch of the imagination that fossil fuels and the slight increase in CO2 is responsible for the slight temperature variance we've had.
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Counterintuitive
We'll steer by the beacon of our 100 year forecast
11:09 PM on 11/29/2011
I used to enjoy watching a lot of nature programs, but I don't anymore because it seems obvious that its all going to be gone.
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01:52 AM on 11/30/2011
Planet Earth growing at a rate of 1B every 12-14 yrs. 1B in 2100? The "four horsemen of the apocalypse" will have deplete this massive growth. Science has spurred this growth, eradicating some diseases while seriously reducing mortality rates of others, increasing agricultural productivity, and reducing infant mortality rates so populations have soared. The negative upshot is the serious depletion or extinction of valuable flora and fauna. Deforestation is rampant in Africa, Brazil, China, and Indonesia creating desertification, particularly in China and Africa. Check these links.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-09-12/China-pollution-cancer-environmental-activists/50376252/1 > China's Cancer Villages

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6058302.stm > Russian Arctic waste

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-deforestation-map.html >worst

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8066871.stm > africa rate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/22/earth-day-2011-worlds-most-polluted-places-_n_852617.html#s268313&title=Linfen_China

http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=389&catid=10&subcatid=66 >deforestation

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-05/30/content_604228.htm >rivers

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2010-09/09/content_11277493.htm> auto pollution

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,493033,00.html> india river pollution

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/AtmCorros/mapIndia.htm> india air pollution

http://www1.american.edu/ted/russair.htm> russia air

http://alttransport.com/2011/02/u-s-says-beijing-air-pollution-is-beyond-measurable/# >worst
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
08:49 AM on 11/30/2011
Not disputing any of your facts, but my son had a funny comment on a trip a couple years ago. We drove from MI to SC and after hours of only seeing trees and getting claustrophobic, he exclaimed, "what the heck is my science teacher talking about, there's no deforestation".
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Counterintuitive
We'll steer by the beacon of our 100 year forecast
10:07 AM on 11/30/2011
I agree that 1 billion is an ambitious target, but judging from the links you've sent we have a good chance of getting there. Food scarcity and oceanic extinction will be major vehicles.
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
11:30 PM on 11/30/2011
If you have noticed the denier posts on this thread and others, the party line seems to be shifting from total denial to the position of, "Well, we're all doomed to a world of megadroughts and rising sea levels, so what's the use?"

This is the well-planned party line, to deny until disastrous climate change is obviously inevitable, and then say that it's too late to change now, so we might as well just keep burning coal and oil and methane.
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Neil Wagner
11:58 PM on 11/30/2011
Phase 1: "The climate isn't changing"
Phase 2: "It may be changing, but it's natural."
Phase 3: "It's probably changing, but that's a good thing."
Phase 4: "If climate change is causing problems, there's nothing we can do about it."
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Counterintuitive
We'll steer by the beacon of our 100 year forecast
09:46 AM on 12/01/2011
Interesting points. The time that I once spent watching nature programs is now invested in watching war documentaries. The pattern in historic war seems to be that if one side manages to decode the other sides intentions, it gains an immediate advantage.

Similarly if you have accurately decoded the strategy of the Denier Camp, then you essentially solved the Enigma Code and should be congratulated. However, having observed a lot of denier patterns that emerge and then disappear, I picture the denier machine more as an opportunistic virus that will invade any weak mind to pursue only short term goals. The strategies are coordinated at centralized locations but are changed on the fly as circumstances warrant.

To give a real world analogue, Stalin marched his armies up and down all over eastern Europe before he attacked Berlin. Using this approach he moped up army after army but was never predictable.