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Does everyone share in my excitement that President Obama nominated Dr. Collins to head the NIH? For me, he is the missing link between science and religion.

I can see science really opening up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 07/09/2009
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To all of you making statements that persons with any genetic/health factors that my increase their chances of having an autistic child should 'get their tubes tied' and comments about autistic children 'suffering the burden of autism', shame on you. Your comments imply that persons with autism are nothing but tragedy. You devalue the lives of people who are autistic. You are implying that an autistic person is less worthy than a person who is not. For shame! Every child has value. Being a child with autism does not equate 'a life of suffering'. Regardless of where on the spectrum a person is or is not they are still a person. They have strengths and weaknesses, talents, feelings and thoughts. They have as much right to exist in our world, just as they are, differences and all as any other person-more so I dare say than those that seek to exploit them.
I would not trade my son for anything! If he had been my first child, I still would have chosen to add to my family further.
How will your child feel when they are older, knowing that you feel they have no value, that you see them as a burden or a tragedy? Not sure? Go ask the autistic adults how they feel such comments. Read Michelle Dawson's court testimony, read the blogs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 07/08/2009
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I am glad that you would not trade you son for anyone. When I share here about the difficulties of raising him I'm being 100% honest. I don't share this stuff with my child, why would I?

For me, raising an autistic child is no picnic. It's just me and my husband raising him-our extended family wants nothing to do with us. My husband and I have gone over six years with no more than a few two hour breaks together without our son, he his considered "too high functioning" to qualify for any ABA programs in our area and our local school district has no clue how to educate him. My son is beginning to show signs of depression because he knows he's different from other kids and he's almost always excluded from birthday parties, etc.

This doesn't mean that I don't value my son or don't love him, it means that I'm really living where the rubber hits the road with the difficulties or raising him. It was heartbreaking for me to witness my extended family turning away from us because my son "made them uncomfortable." It is heartbreaking to have to try to find some way to explain to him why he's the only kid in the class who didn't get an invitation to Sam's birthday party,

And most worrisome of all is what will happen to him when I'm dead. He will be truly alone and truly vulnerable to the broken American safety net.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/09/2009
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LaurieAnn
Just for the record, that post was not fully directed at you.
I have three children, one ASD, so yes I empathize with raising a child on the spectrum as well as with being a parent. If you would like help finding resources I am willing to assist. There are ways to get funding for all sorts of help, if one is willing. Not always easy to find, but it is out there.
Some places even have respite funding-where a trained worker who IS happy to spend time with an autistic child, regardless of where on the spectrum they are, will either take your son in for a weekend, or come to your home to care for him so you and your husband can have some away time.
My son is also noticing, just recently, that he is 'different' (not the word he used). Rather than cry with him (I wanted to) I have engaged him in social training, found a socail skills group for him and, (I am so very thrilled) he has made incredible progress. I will happily share those resources with you as well.
I have family also, that are 'uncomfortable' and make ridiculous statements and are not involved. I no longer care. My family does not need persons involved with us that are that uncaring. I am sorry you went through that.
My offer to help find resources in your area is sincere. Check my profile, email address is there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 07/09/2009
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LaurieAnn,

No, it isn't a picnic, and venting is sometimes necessary. Honesty about the difficulties in parenting children is, too, I think. I hope you'll join Sirenity, others, and me over at www.raisingautism.co.nr/. We'll be a soft shoulder for you. :-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 07/09/2009
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""One of the things we are realizing about autism is that it is not one disease but rather many different diseases or conditions that has many different etiologies," Dawson said. "This may be one cause or one risk factor, and if it interacts with a genetic vulnerability, it can increase the risk for autism," she said."

The money quote in the article.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/08/2009
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This is exactly what I've believed for the last few years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/09/2009

So, you mean to tell me that the medical community has known since the Danish Study, which was done in 2002, that people with Type 1 Diabetes and Rheumotoid Arthritis have an increased risk of having autistic children and yet they have not bothered to make this information known to pregnant women??? I have quite a few friends and aquaintences that have these two conditions and also have autistic kids. Had they known this increased liklihood they could have more closely watched their baby's development and gotten the children in earlier intervention much sooner, which makes all the difference.

Seriously, this is just another example of the medical community's gross negelct of autism. 1 in every 25,000 children has PKU and yet every child is screened at birth for that condition. And yet, the medical knows autoimmunity is connected to autism, which affects 1 in every 150 kids - 1 in every 90 boys, for 7 years and they do nothing! Shame on the American Academy of Pediatrics!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/08/2009

"And yet, the medical knows autoimmunity is connected to autism"

No, they don't know. There is one study that shows a correlation. There is a difference.

Just so you understand, these women may not have DISPLAYED rheumatoid arthritis until years later. It is a retrospective study. The AAP warning that you think should be in place is useless because only a very, very small number of pregnant women will have been diagnosed with the disorder.

Please, control the finger waving!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 07/08/2009

It is not only one study that shows a correlation. DAN doctors, the only doctors that actually treat autism, have been finding this correlation between autoimmunity and autsim for decades and speaking out about it. Yes, DAN doctors who are in possession of some of the best data concerning what is going on insides the bodies of people with autism....the same DAN doctors who have offered their data to the American Academy of Pediatrics only to be turned down. So no, I will not control the finger waving when it comes to the AAP. In my opinion,then have grossly neglected Autism and need to be held accountable.

I don't enjoy feeling this angry . And yes, I am angry and I'm not sorry for it. You have NO IDEA what my family has been through. My autistic child had a complete change in personality and became violent...most of the day, everywhere. For two years the pediatricians told me "that's just part of the autism, there's nothing you can do." Finally I had enough and demanded an EEG, turns out it was like 4th of July in that child's head, he was seizing 24 hours a day. Why are so many of us unable to get doctors to take our children's health concerns seriously? Thousands of parents, including myself, report talking our autistic children who have severe GI problems for treatment only to have the doctor refuse to examine them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/09/2009

yep, up to three times greater risk doesn't mean much when absolute values aren't provided. Is it 0.00001% versus 0.00003%?? Or 1 in 5 versus 6 in 10%?? People can cook numbers to say whatever they like. As I've always said, there's lies, da m n lies, and statistics.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 07/09/2009

So, when will Doctors and Scientists listen to the parents?

For years, parents were attacked for using the GFCF diet to help their children recover. Even if it doesn't help the child recover, it does help with the serious and often debilitating Gastro-intestinal pain that so many autistic children seem to have. And now, it turns out that the parents may have been correct in this all along.

I also find it extremely interesting that so many children with autism that I know also have Celiac (I know, this is anecdotal). Has anyone ever done a study to see how common Celiac is in autistic children?

Again I ask; When will the Doctors and Scientists start listening to the parents?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 07/08/2009

As if WE aren't parents as well.

If you had any idea some of the crazy shiznit that comes out of the mouths of parents, you might not be so quick to make that statement. Not everyone has the same opinion of your opinion, Craig.

Science is a process. It does not include adhering to what a particular group of people say/think. And you should be very appreciative of that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 07/08/2009

Josephius, first I want to thank you dialoguing with us here. As a doctor I'm guessing it may not be pleasant to see heaped all that we are heaping here, and we can seem rude maybe, but thanks for sticking around and talking. I want to be clear that I understand that there are some very good doctors out there.

I think Craig makes a good point about some doctors not listening to patients. My son's neuro put him on Depakote, which has helped with the seizures but has triggered the onset of severe OCD and full blown panic attacks when he leaves the house. I suggested to the neuro that maybe he is on the wrong med. He replied that he loves Depakote for kids and that is mostly what he prescribes because they tolerate it well. I feel like he was one size fits all viewing my son...should we really assume what works well for a typical kid with seizures will automatically work for an individual autistic kid with seizures?

Here's the worst of it: instead of considering switching the med he suggesting adding Risperdal. I asked him if there are any side effects to which he replied, "no, none". Well, I turn on CBS news the next day and learn that the company that makes Risperdal is being sued because a significant % of boys on it develop irreversable lactating breasts. So, you see, I've lost any automatic trust in my son's doctors.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 07/09/2009

I agree. Parents and DAN docs have been saying Autoimmune disorders and Autism are connected for at least two decades. They don't listen to us. Plain as that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/08/2009

"They've been saying"

"They don't listen to us"

This is about SHOWING US THE DATA. Research, performed correctly, peer-reviewed and published. Not 'saying' something. Not BS claims. DAN! docs should know what their responsibilities are to humanity, if they are really doctors.

If they do not follow the proper procedure for testing and reporting, then what they say and do is little more than selling snake oil. Here's a hint: there's a reason why they do not perform the studies and publish, and instead, pedal their "treatments" over the internet or write books. That should be clue #1 for you. I guarantee you, a DAN! doc that publishes a bonafide study that is published in a reputable, mainstream journal will be front runner form the Nobel Prize in Medicine. Funny how it doesn't work that way, huh? That should be clue #2.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/08/2009
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"When will the Doctors and Scientists start listening to the parents?"

What bothers me the most is the healthcare professionals that know there are issues but only see them in their peripheral vision.


Trust isn't being broken, it's being shattered.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 07/08/2009
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" dugmaze
"When will the Doctors and Scientists start listening to the parents?"
What bothers me the most is the healthcare professionals that know there are issues but only see them in their peripheral vision.
Trust isn't being broken, it's being shattered."
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Good grief. Are you accusing the entire medical profession of a mind boggling coverup? So not only do you disbelieve the scientific studies that have been peer reviewed, and disbelieve anything the CDC has to say, and disbelieve that vaccines prevent deadly disease and believe that vaccines cause autism, believe that DAN doctors are the only doctors who magically escaped the conspiracy, believe vaccines/mercury/toxins/endless list causes autism yet also believe it is not genetic... you Also believe that doctors KNOW!! They know these untrained emotional parents are right! and that they what? pretend?

How about some realism

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 07/08/2009

"So, when will Doctors and Scientists listen to the parents?"

There are some decent doctors who realize they've been brainwashed in med school. Then there are those who will jail a parent for SBS, following the death of their child, and never once will they even consider damage by pharmaceuticals/vaccines. Do they have a conscious, or do they just put it aside when doing their jobs?

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/108624

(Beware, it will bring you to tears.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 07/08/2009

So, this is universally institutionalized then, because many doctors here in the U.S. trained at foreign schools. Perhaps it's medicine in general. Is it all corrupt nonsense? And those who enter the field? What are their motives.

Your perspective is highly questionable.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 07/08/2009
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abitcrunchy

There are some doctors who realize that parents are open to being brainwashed by the many fear mongering, fact twisting organizations that use anecdotes over evidence. These doctors go on to sell their 'miracle cure' or 'amazing treatment' at great cost to the parents.

These treatments and cures are rarely harmless, sometimes downright dangerous. Do those doctors have a conscious? Does the almighty buck make it ok for them?
http://www.raisingautism.co.nr/ Is one of many places you can find info on these 'cures' and 'treatments'.

As for this woo link you posted, Shaken Baby syndrome is not a joke. "Medical professionals strongly suspect shaking as the cause of injuries when a baby or small child presents with retinal hemorrhage, fractures, soft tissue injuries or subdural hematoma, that cannot be explained by accidental trauma or other medical conditions. About three quarters of cases involve retinal hemorrhaging." *from wiki*

Care to explain what else would cause broken ribs, retinal hemorrhage, subdural hematoma? oh wait, let me guess... vaccines magically do these things. I see.
Studies to back up your passionate fear mongering please.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/08/2009
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Craig, with all due respect, perhaps the doctors and scientists will start listening to parents tell them how to do their job, how bodies work, how medications work, how neurological disorders work if and/or when those parents obtain credited degrees in the fields they are professing to have expertise in.
GFCF diet. 1. what were the reasons stated for the doctors discrediting GFCF?
2. Where exactly is this prrof that the 'parents were rigth all along?'
Also I have never seen a study or statistical data on autistic children and Ceiliac. Only rumours. Do you have a source for this that is credible? The article, btw, states that persons with Celiac may be more likely to have children with autism, not that autistic children also have ceiliac.

Also, Craig and Suzan This quote "Atladottir said. "The large majority of people affected by an autoimmune disease do not have children with autism."" needs to be read as well. THE LARGE majority DO NOT have children with autism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/08/2009

Sirenity, the Oraccolytes claim that the GFCF diet is snake-oil and show extreme contempt for anyone who uses it.

Parents have been using the GFCF diet for years now, and they have seen good results in most cases. I use it because my son is allergic to wheat and milk products.

I never claimed that there was a study that looked at children with Celiac. I was asking if one had been done.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 07/09/2009

Right, the large majority of people with autoimmune do not have children with autism. Exactly, this points to the complexity of autism in that there are many influences, this being but one in some cases. I have gluten intolerance and an autistic son. The medical community did not know officially that there might be a connection back when he was born so I am not blaming them for anything in this regard. But, to know since 2002 about the Rheumatoid Arthritis and Diabetes 1 connection and just basically ignore it as a curiosity, unacceptable!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 07/09/2009
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