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Noah Baron

Noah Baron

Posted: March 6, 2010 02:00 AM

Your Unpaid Internship Ate My Social Mobility

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I would consider myself to be a typical middle-class New Jersey kid. Both of my parents work. I grew up in suburbia -- in New Jersey, right between the New York and Philadelphia spheres of influence. My home school district's public education is rated one of the best in the nation. But what I think defines being middle-class the most is being stuck in that financially awkward place between being able to actually afford a college education and being able to qualify for real financial aid or federal grants. Student debt is, as I've noticed, a topic that has been widely covered in the blogosphere, newspapers, and in student protests across the country. The proverbial market for this particular issue, I would say, is saturated.

Unfortunately, this is but one issue within the larger battlefield for social mobility in the United States today. A neglected (and very much related) issue, yet one which affects nearly every college student in the United States today, is that of unpaid internships. It is odd, I think, that the issue of student debt has received so much attention while the issue of unpaid internships has received little (perhaps none). Why? Because while the issue of student loans affects, for the most part, only middle class students, the problem of unpaid internships affects all but the most wealthy.

I, and I would imagine many other college students in similar positions, have seen, time and again, these dreaded two sentences: "Interns are highly encouraged to obtain funding from outside sources as the position is unpaid. Arrangements can be made for work/study or course credit." And, I suspect, they have reacted like I have: "I don't want college credit! I want to be paid!" (In fact, my college doesn't even give credit for internships.)

The thing is, I don't want to be paid because I want a new iPod or a new computer. I need to be paid because I need a way of buying three meals a day. (Maybe I can narrow it down to two?) I need to be paid because I don't qualify for work-study. I need to be paid because course books alone cost me over $600 this semester. I need to be paid because I need a way to pay for housing and food in the city of wherever this internship might be.

But if I don't take this internship, what will I do when I graduate and go out into the real world and find that every job wants two to three years of experience and a list of professional, not academic, references a mile long?

True, many colleges do offer grants to students who take unpaid internships over the summer. But the pitfalls of these programs are many. They are, at least in my experience, underfunded and poorly advertised; they will deny you funding if you get any money at all, regardless of how underpaid you are; worst of all, they often require that you apply for the grant before you know whether you have an internship at all. As a result, these grant programs, while perhaps helpful for a few students, are on the whole insufficient.

And while college financial aid offices are increasingly willing to subsidize the education of poorer students (appearing generous while at the same time initiating huge tuition hikes), there is no such office for the world of internships. In this respect, as I noted earlier, many poor and middle-class college students are in the same boat: how can we compete in a post-baccalaureate economy when we can't afford to gain valuable experience while pursuing our degree?

Without any reasonable way of attaining "funding from outside sources," unpaid internships successfully keep out those of us who are passionate and eager to learn, but simply can't afford to move to wherever your offices happen to be for three months while draining our bank accounts to pay for our own food and lodging.

I am sure that many people will recognize this as an undeniable truth -- maybe even those for keeping unpaid internships unpaid -- but perhaps what many do not recognize is the overall injustice of keeping these programs out of reach to poor and even middle-class students. As I noted earlier, many "real" jobs expect even recent college graduates to have years of experience. Ostensibly, the choice for students is between a summer job so that they can pay their bills now or an internship so that they can pay off their student loans in the future. The reality is that there is no choice at all: the costs involved in an internship, for many of us, are simply too great.

The end result? Come graduation, we will all be at a disadvantage to those who can afford to shell out hundreds of dollars for living expenses and food each summer, or to those who don't need to make any money over the summer to pay for food or books.

 

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I would consider myself to be a typical middle-class New Jersey kid. Both of my parents work. I grew up in suburbia -- in New Jersey, right between the New York and Philadelphia spheres of influence. ...
I would consider myself to be a typical middle-class New Jersey kid. Both of my parents work. I grew up in suburbia -- in New Jersey, right between the New York and Philadelphia spheres of influence. ...
 
 
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04:59 PM on 04/14/2010
I was a Business Economics major at UCSB and I would have loved to find a paid internship. The fact is that most internships require little brain power on the intern's behalf and therefore they deserve little pay from the employer. We all wish we could get paid for internships but thats not the case. In my opinion an internship shows your are dedicated and driven, especially non-paid ones. It's not that hard to find an unpaid internship and its a must in order to get a good job after graduation. These days just to FindTheBest College is not enough. You need the extra edge on the competition by securing an internship. Many companies will provide a gas stipend to cover the costs of fuel. I would stop complaining and start looking for any valuable internship available whether paid or not. I worked 3 unpaid internships and now I'm working my dream job.
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10:30 PM on 04/03/2010
If you can afford to spend 40+ hours/week in class for four years, you can afford to spend the same hours at an unpaid internship for three months. It doesn't seem as though employers should have to pay a living wage for internships that really involve lots of training and opportunity but not much productivity. If they're part of the job-training aspect of college, preparing people for valuable work later, then they should be paid for in the same way as college.

In short, it seems as though the problem is that college in general should be made more affordable for the middle class, not just internships in particular.
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Noah Barron
05:32 PM on 04/30/2010
The point that I was making is that colleges provide financial aid. No such financial aid (or far less of it) exists for internships.
05:13 PM on 04/03/2010
As has been mentioned before, most people doing their education in the physical sciences have little or no problem finding paid internships or even funding for graduate school. Every student in my applied statistics masters program at my school has all school fees waived and is paid a stipend of $500-1000/month for 10-20 hours of work a week. I've had a number of paid internship opportunities.

While I'm not saying that everybody should major in the physical sciences, I am saying that there's a reason why we're getting paid and you're not. We're in demand, engineering, physical sciences, the fields of study which are actually used to make money or actually produce marketable goods are getting paid because we add value. The arts and social sciences don't necessarily do this and there's more people in these programs so the demand is higher so the costs of an internship go up.

You may not like it but it's how the system works and the moment it changes I'm going to get mad about why people who only have to memorize the ideas of others without any actual ability to implement it are getting paid as much as the people who do stuff in society.
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Noah Barron
05:42 PM on 04/30/2010
The problem here is that science majors, such as yourself, think that science is the end-all and be-all of society. Thankfully, this isn't the case. You are doing a disservice to both yourself and everyone studying something besides your extremely narrow field.

The social sciences are vital to the functioning of our society because they are integral in shaping public policy -- they tell us what works and what doesn't.

Historians are also important: they help us learn from the past. I have a friend with a degree in American history who is dating someone working on AIDS research. Guess who had to explain to whom the history of funding for AIDS research. History majors are the only reason that science majors might have any grasp on their own evolution.

Artists, musicians, composers, singers, actors, and dancers are what keep American culture going. As much fun as you might want to pretend a cultureless society that places a premium on science and only on science, I think that most people would be miserable living like that.

The fact of the matter is that the United States is a pluralist society, that the interaction of wide varieties of different people produce better policy outcomes (funny how social science discovered this), and that there is more to life than science. While undoubtedly science has helped propel us forward, to pretend that any field other than science is useless is as wrong as it is offensive.
11:06 PM on 03/11/2010
It does not get much easier if you are like the thousands of individuals in grad school. Financial aid is difficult to come by, regardless of what socio-economic status on might fall into. Similar to what is described in this article, grad students are also required to do internships in the field of their study, both during the year and in the summer. And as more people are going back to grad school in this economic downturn, and grad schools begin to market multiple degrees in shorter time periods, the rut of the unpaid internship vs a job to pay bills is amplified. I find it frustrating that firms keep requesting the essence of volunteerships from students who have to make the exact choices you describe in this article.
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04:31 PM on 03/11/2010
It's called The Washington Center, since 1975 they've been setting up students with DC-based internships, every industry not just government internships, and many are paid as well as providing housing and grants to participating students. If you attend a state school there's more money available. They operate year round so you can go in the summer, winter, or during a semester. They also set you up with a class to take, during the fall or spring semester, so even if your school doesn't give credit for the internship itself, they'll still give you credit for the class you take.

Check it out
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Noah Barron
08:02 PM on 03/11/2010
From what I can tell, this isn't a free service -- they go out of their way to avoid telling you what it actually would cost, claiming only that it costs something "similar" to what it would cost to go to your school for a similar amount of time. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare $10,000 lying around to spend on a summer session class, even if it is paired with a White House internship or whatever else they have to offer.
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10:30 AM on 03/11/2010
As someone who has provided unpaid internships, I can tell you that if I had to pay the interns there would be no internships.

I provide my time, training, and learning opportunities to the interns. It costs me to do this and the return on my investment is negligible because the person doesn't stick around long enough to reach a level of performance where it pays off for my business.

I'd like to think that I'm a humanitarian, but I also have a bottom line to consider.
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Noah Barron
12:12 PM on 03/11/2010
I suppose that for some, an unpaid internship is better than no internship at all. But for many of us, we must seriously reconsider when the total cost of interning for an organization (too often, this involves relatively little learning experience and very many menial tasks) reaches into the thousands of dollars. Assuming an extremely low cost of housing at $500/month, spending only $300/month on food, spending $2 for transportation to work each way every day, and spending only $100 on plane tickets or gas money each way, a student can wind up spending nearly $3000 on an internship.

While offering an unpaid internship likely costs its providers a little time and effort, students accepting those internships should ask themselves whether the experiences they will have while at that internship are worth not only spending $3000, but also not earning any money over the summer to spend on food, books, and other school-related costs during the school-year.
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ImmanuelGoldstein
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09:39 AM on 03/14/2010
If you are a humanitarian then by definition you are not considering your bottom line.
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Aldyth
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09:00 AM on 03/15/2010
I run a vocational training program for people with disabilities. There is no choice but to consider the bottom line when you have had funding cuts, more cuts are coming, and the state hasn't paid what it owes you for months.

The people in my program are more important than college students. I'm not taking money away from the services they need to pay an intern.

If that makes me not a humanitarian, so be it.
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12:51 AM on 03/11/2010
But we don't need to help US citzens get an education. Why? Because of globalization. We can just import workers into the US with educations. We already do this very effectively. Over 2.2 million in the last 10 years just on H-1B. There are many other visa programs like B1 and V1 which can be used to import workers into the US. We hire mostly H-1Bs at Microsoft and we haven't hired an American in years in my group, we don't even look for Americans (well we don't say that but we use a company, an Indian company, to "screen" our resumes for us and so the resumes just happen to all be Indians on H-1B). Funny how that happens.

It called "innovation", get used to it.
04:44 PM on 03/10/2010
Great opinion piece. However, I find it very ironic, given that fact that it's on HuffPo, that you most likely weren't paid for writing it.
10:47 PM on 03/08/2010
Who are the people that can pop for this:

The benefit of using University of Dreams’ services, explains Chief Marketing Officer Eric Normington, is getting ahead of other applicants and being certain your resume has been reviewed by numerous companies.

“We provide a network for people who would otherwise be trawling the Web, sending hundreds of applications,” said Normington from his office in California. “Since we began [working with students] ten years ago, very few people have failed to find a place they liked.”

Advisers help students find internships in Barcelona, Boston, Chicago, Costa Rica, Dublin, Hong Kong, Las Vegas, London, Los Angeles, New York, San Diego, San Francisco, Sydney, Toronto and Washington D.C.

What It’ll Cost You: The costs are adjusted according to each location and range from $5,499 for an internship in Costa Rica to $9,699 for New York. Other fees include a $35 application fee and $1,000 deposit.
The programs are all-inclusive, meaning you cannot defer the housing costs even if you have an alternative place to stay (e.g., relative or friend’s home).

Keep in mind that the majority of internships are unpaid.
10:14 AM on 03/09/2010
"Keep in mind that the majority of internships are unpaid."

In the humanities, maybe, but those in the sciences and engineering could and still do have access to plenty of paid internships. IBM pays $15-25 dollars an hour for those pursuing engineering, math, physics, and computer science degrees to work over the summer; Dow pays around $15/hr for those pursuing chemistry degrees; and Schlumberger and other petro companies pay very well for those pursuing geo-science and engineering degrees.

That isn't to say there doesn't need to be a system in place for humanities students to attain job experience while getting a stipend to support COL expenses, but it does speak for the value of pursuing a STEM field degree.
03:21 PM on 03/08/2010
Well said. I have been screaming about this for years. Once again, the rich who can afford to subsidize their kids' housing, food, entertainment, etc. while their little darlings complete unpaid internships have a leg up on those that do not. Worse are the rich that have their brats get the PAID internships.

There is only one sector of the economy providing job growth: UNPAID internships. Now, how's that for having a fine future to look forward to, eh Middle Class????
10:16 AM on 03/09/2010
There are plenty of paid internships in the sciences and engineering( with many paying over $20/hr for sophomores and juniors). All this means is that perhaps those of us who are in the middle class should be aiming towards jobs that are actually in demand. While majoring in something like political science or government may be entertaining and academically enriching: one has to go where the jobs are.
07:55 PM on 03/09/2010
Not everyone has the aptitude to pursue science and math degrees. I, for instance, have a learning disability that prevents a level of proficiency that would open up these career fields. Are math people the only folks who deserve to make a decent living anymore?
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11:21 AM on 03/10/2010
I think that it is inappropriate to suggest that anyone who can't "afford" to major in a social science or the humanities (basically, everything ranging from the arts to philosophy to political science and even pre-law) should "just" major in math.

As someone who was required to take two semesters of science, I know full well that it is not for me. I excel and am interested in other subjects, and those subjects are what I want to study. The fact that the humanities are increasingly being reserved for only the wealthy (as federal funding is disappearing for social science research, as are paid internships), as the rest of us are being pushed to just stick to doing something that's in demand, but we very well might despise and be terrible at, suggests a larger problem in society that needs to be addressed.
10:21 AM on 03/08/2010
Thank you! This is a much needed topic of discussion.

I was in the weird place of being a good student in HS but parents made too much for me to qualify for any financial aid outside of the handful of scholarships.

I honestly feel for students that are graduating these days. The entry level position is almost nonexistent for those that don't have either an internal connection or a few internships under their belt.
10:18 AM on 03/09/2010
"a few internships under their belt."

Hence a major mistake in my college education. I have been having a lot of trouble finding a job even having graduated with honors with two bachelors: one in math, one in physics; this is because, in order to graduate in a decent time, I spent my summers taking courses instead of working an internship.
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10:33 PM on 03/06/2010
Thank you! I am so glad someone is finally bringing the attention to this that it deserves!
07:45 PM on 03/06/2010
Sorry, my comment somehow got messed up.

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Interestingly enough, most unpaid internships are ILLEGAL. http://www.dol.gov/whd/opinion/FLSANA/2004/2004_05_17_05FLSA_NA_internship.htm

In order for unpaid internships to be legal, they must follow these standards:
1. The training, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to that which would be given in a vocational school;
2. The training is for the benefit of the trainee;
3. The trainees do not displace regular employees, but work under close observation;
4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees and on occasion the employer’s operations may actually be impeded;
5. The trainees are not necessarily entitled to a job at the completion of the training period; and
6. The employer and the trainee understand that the trainees are not entitled to wages for the time spent in training.

I really wish these standards were more enforced.
02:40 PM on 03/11/2010
Thank you for bringing up the legality of this situation. I'm curious why these standards haven't been better enforced and whose job is it to enforce them?
07:43 PM on 03/06/2010
Interestingly enough, most unpaid internships are ILLEGAL. http://www.dol.gov/whd/opinion/FLSANA/2004/2004_05_17_05FLSA_NA_internship.htm

In order for unpaid internships to be legal, they must follow these standards:
1. The training, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to urrently the best chance that I will have of getting a job after I graduate, and there is absolutely no way that I can be unemployed for any length of time post-graduation (my parents cannot afford to support me post graduation, as they will be paying for my sister's college). The time and energy sap placed on not-wealthy students just to ensure that they will have a post-graduation job in this economy is ridiculous.that which would be given in a vocational school;
2. The training is for the benefit of the trainee;
3. The trainees do not displace regular employees, but work under close observation;
4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees and on occasion the employer’s operations may actually be impeded;
5. The trainees are not necessarily entitled to a job at the completion of the training period; and
6. The employer and the trainee understand that the trainees are not entitled to wages for the time spent in training.

I really wish these standards were more enforced.
04:59 PM on 03/06/2010
This is absolutely true. As a scholarship student, I don't qualify for work-study, and while my school has a grant program for unpaid internships, it is woefully underfunded. This semester, (senior year) I took an internship in the field that I want to go into senior year, after taking a variety of paid and unpaid positions over the course of my college career. I was denied funding through my school's internship grant program, so now I have to scramble to find babysitting jobs, in addition to the internship, my classes, and my thesis. I can't drop the internship, as it is currently the best chance that I will have of getting a job after I graduate, and there is absolutely no way that I can be unemployed for any length of time post-graduation (my parents cannot afford to support me post graduation, as they will be paying for my sister's college). The time and energy sap placed on not-wealthy students just to ensure that they will have a post-graduation job in this economy is ridiculous.