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Domestic Violence: Time to Man Up

Posted: 07/17/09 08:24 PM ET

President Obama recently created the first-ever position of White House adviser on violence against women. Across the land, at corporate water coolers and in taverns, in locker rooms and on bass boats a growing band of men immediately lifted their voices in protest: "What about an adviser on violence against men?" They're serious, these "men's rights" advocates, and they have a point. To a point.

Violence by women against men is a real issue, however much this may be denied by a coterie of dear friends in the anti-violence-against-women movement. Non-defensive violence by a woman against a man is insupportable; it cries out to be investigated and adjudicated thoroughly and accurately, the chips falling where they may. Justice demands no less.

That said, it's time to get real, men: Domestic violence is essentially and fundamentally a male problem.

Which is to say that men are, far and away, more likely than women to be the "primary aggressor" in DV cases. In other words, in law, the guilty party.

It's not about who "started it." It's not about who's the more agreeable, the fairest, most noble, or most sensible individual of the couple. It's not about who's tried the hardest, or the longest to make things work. Or whose relationship grievances have the greater merit. It's about the violence -- the nature and magnitude of violent, unlawful behavior.

Check out the richly sourced DV fact sheet of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence. One woman in four will experience domestic violence in her lifetime; 1.3 million women are criminally abused each year; 7.8 million women have been raped by an intimate partner; one in 12 women have been stalked by a male intimate partner vs. one in 45 men who've been stalked by a female intimate partner. Almost a third of all women homicide victims are murdered by men who purport to love them. In up to 80 percent of all intimate partner homicides, no matter who wound up doing the killing, the woman had been abused by the man prior to the murder. And, finally: 85 percent of all domestic violence victims are women.

"Gender symmetry," a theory advanced by a certain wing of the men's movement is wishful thinking, a myth. A dangerous one.

This belief that men and women batter each other in equal measure can undermine public policies and priorities, including funding for safe houses and women's shelters. And it can shift attention away from one of our greatest social challenges, namely teaching boys how to behave themselves.

Throughout my cop career I championed the cause of domestic violence as law enforcement's top priority -- ahead of homicide, robbery, even domestic terrorism. Why? Because violence in the home (spousal assault, child and elder abuse) is arguably the antecedent for all other forms of violence in our society.

A boy who witnesses his father resolve a marital dispute with fists or gun or knife is not only twice as likely to do the same when he grows up and enters an intimate relationship, he's more likely to use violence to get what he desires in life, generally. Want to see a drop in stranger-on-stranger rapes, barroom brawls, home invasion robberies, even simple property crimes? Teach our boys to skillfully and gracefully confront the gap between what they have and what they want. Teach them, early on, to deal with jealousy and insecurity and rage.

We've got to make it clear, via instruction and example, that a boy's gender does not entitle him to treat the girls and, later, the women in his life as chattel.

Who's best equipped to provide this modeling, this instruction? Men, of course. It's time we of XY chromosomal composition "man up" and accept responsibility for helping little boys understand it's not about who started it. It's about patience, self discipline, and personal mastery in the messy heat of relationship conflicts.

 
 
 

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01:33 PM on 08/12/2009
I spend a great deal of my life on issues of violence towards women. I do think it’s more prevalent. However, violence towards men by women is much more prevalent than you indicate.

As security, I witnessed a woman assaulting her partner. I called it in, but she continued escalating, until he RAN across a ten lane interstate get away from her. He was nearly killed! She continued to pursue him. Her actions were just as dangerous as any man.

My sister would assault her husband, slapping him and pushing him for the purpose of getting him to hit back. She would set it up, with perfect timing, to ensure that witnesses saw HIM reacting to her violence. Then she played the vic. I caught her hitting and pushing him, going for his face, and then when he pushed her away she threw herself to the ground, as if he knocked there. When I told her I saw the whole thing, she simply got up and gave it up. Some women will exploit situations this way.

My mother was abusive to everyone, our father included. She did everything, including hit my father, threatening him with a knife, and with a gun. I can’t tell you how horrible it was.

Abuse is abuse. Self defense should be just as permissible for men, and we should try to make it easier for *all* the victims to come forward.
09:50 AM on 07/21/2009
Norm, you are the best.

I have never and would never hit a woman and would never justify it for anyone else. The men who do need to have a long look in the mirror. Everything you say about that is right on.

But, why dismiss female domestic violence so quickly? Doing so risks trivializing it...

What % of men do you think would actually report such incidents? My own guess is less than 2%.

I suspect there are just as many women hitting men as the reverse.
02:40 PM on 07/20/2009
Norm, you're the man.
Thank you.
12:56 PM on 07/20/2009
I think it is completely unhelpful to frame the debate this way. Using statistics inaccurately is not a way to stop the problem......honest discussion is how you start a discussion. As long as you start with the presumption this is men's problem......you've missed the boat. Until we stop treating women as victims, they will always be victims. This post just continues that sexism.
11:39 AM on 07/20/2009
It's important to understand the political basis for the definition of domestic violence, because without that understanding any efforts to stop domestic violence won't be productive.

Any definition of Domestic violence should also include violence against children, because often children learn to become violent either by witnessing violence or being victims themselves.

By this definition child abuse and neglect would be considered domestic violence. In all cases of Child abuse and neglect, women are the perpetrators 80% of the time. Yet women are almost never arrested for any cases of abuse or physical violence against children, instead we approach these problems as a social one, and often reward women with social programs designed to help them economically and psychological, programs that quite simply have failed to stem the tide of Domestic Violence against children.
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04:46 PM on 07/19/2009
This is a crucial topic and I thank you Norm for shining a light on it. Part of being a "good" husband, father, son, worker is sure as hell not beating up a woman, specially your wife or daughter. The fact that it happens so very much in our country is all of our problem and something we collectively have to take action to prevent.
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11:54 AM on 07/19/2009
Incredible. This is exactly the type of artical I would like to see more of. Mr. Stamper, thank you for all your service, my brother in law is a police officer, so many times we forget these heros who protect us daily from harm and as evidenced by this artical truely care about the people they protect, try to protect, and in many cases are against all odds, un able to protect. Domestic violence is a horrble crime, leaving a woman with in most cases as a silent victim. Ashamed to go to family or friends, they try to work it out, with disatastorus results in many cases. I did not realize how many women in prision are there from killing their abuser. I hope all women and esp young women head this artical well. never let anyone treat you as less than you are. if you have trouble, get help, dont stay silent. abusers count on your silence. their abuse can only survive by silence.
11:02 AM on 07/20/2009
..."abusers count on your silence"...

Absolutely correct, Pema. It's as important as re-training men, if not moreso, to get girls and women to refuse to be abused when it's in its earliest stages----before it even gets physical at all!

Fellow females, don't put this all off on the fellas. Take charge of it yourselves! Stop enabling them to abuse us! Don't start saying "No!" when it's gone to the point the only way you'll stop the abuse is to kill the abuser!

I can't say enough good about the "Fear" series by DeBecker. And, no, I have nothing to gain except the knowledge I've passed on life-changing, life-saving information.
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11:42 AM on 07/19/2009
Thanks Norm. Nice to hear your well thought out and researched thoughts on any topic. Agreed. We need to "Man Up".
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08:31 AM on 07/19/2009
This is the same outmoded approach that is costing us billions and is not working. But it does keep lots of cops and domestic violence counselors employed.

There are newer, more effective programs to address this issue than the male-bashing programs and the men are evil approach we have been using. Because we haven't correctly diagnosed the problem, we've been attacking it in an ineffective way.

The domestic violence programs are designed to shame men because they have supposedly been socialized to believe that violence against women is ok. This premise is flawed. We are more socially conditioned to believe that violence by women against men is acceptable, but not the other way around. If the domestic violence problem was only because men are socialized to be violent against women, then how does that explain the high rate of domestic violence in lesbian couples?

The approaches you advocate have not been working- your own statistics prove it. See the new book "Violent Partners" for a more thoughtful analysis of the situation and new, more innovative approaches to solving it.

The standard domestic violence cops' approach of- get only one side of the story and throw the guy in jail and then don't listen to the victim's wishes is not working. Besides its ineffectiveness, it is disempowering and patronizing to women. And it teaches alleged victims not to call for help because once they do, it's out of their control and the police and DA don't listen.
07:04 PM on 07/19/2009
I think the author makes great points, just as you do. The author is speaking directly to men, both abusive and nonabusive. I think what he is saying is that men play a very important and influential role in their children's lives. Men are crucial to breaking the cycle. I don't think the programs for abusive men try to shame them. I think as a consequence of attending these meetings, they feel do feel shame. What they need to do is accept responsibility. And he is trying to counter these male groups who try to elevate misandry and violence against men to the same level as violence against women and misogny.

I referenced the book "Violent Partners" and completely agree with hers and your analysis. TESSA (formerly the Center for the Prevention of Domestic Violence) has been incorporating the approach of treating dv as a family problem and attempts to resolve the problem within the family unit. You are correct that mandatory arrest policies do not work and do disempower women. The reason these policies exist is because women's fear of retaliation often stopped her from pressing charges. There is still a lot to learn about the best way to handle domestic violence cases, but I commend the police for their desire to continue to learn and make domestic violence a priority.
01:07 AM on 07/19/2009
I'm disappointed with how few comments there are. It's just not considered an important topic I guess. Even the trolls aren't here :)

Thank you. As a woman, I feel great hope and relief when men address Domestic Violence. I think it is something only men can address men about because misogyny makes them deaf to women.Thank you.
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06:05 PM on 07/19/2009
I think it is something only men can address men about because misogyny makes them deaf to women.

Perhaps it is comments such as this one that discourage open and honest conversation? ;-)
12:12 AM on 07/19/2009
Norm, Thank you, thank you! As a counselor and a gender diversity awareness trainer, I've been hoping and waiting for YEARS!!! for a man who is well-respected in the national community to step forward and lead this cause. You are absolutely correct: this cause MUST be led by a MAN who has the credentials (no dv skeletons in the closet) and the vision to change what must be changed. I urge you to lead this cause with everything in your power, to establish a new bar for "manly behavior", because, sadly, in the land of the free, women are still second class citizens and treated as chattel. When violence against women is no longer a trifle here in the U.S., perhaps there will be hope for true freedom and liberty for all, regardless of gender, to take hold around the planet. Thank you again for your courage and your voice, Norm - please lead the way.
09:49 PM on 07/18/2009
So we teach girls and women it's not OK to use physical aggression to communicate, especially with loved ones (but don't get me started on spanking....).

At the same time we teach little boys---who by nature are more aggressive than girls---that it's not ok to settle disputes or control loved ones via aggressive violence.

We should also teach little girls----who by nature are more nurturing, verbal, and gentle than little boys--- that it's absolutely not ok to BE hit, kicked, slapped, man-handled...etc. Ever. And that if it happens, it should happen only once, because chances are it will happen again, each time worse than the last one. Put as much distance as possible between you and a man who hits you, or threatens to hit you.

We need to teach girls how to recognize patterns of male behavior and situations that can be precursors to abuse and violence, and ways to avoid and/or escape.

We should teach girls and women how to physically defend themselves and/or ways to try to survive an attack, if the above fails.

For me, the nonfiction of Gavin DeBecker has been very insightful. Also, taking assertiveness training, personal safety and weaponless self-defense course was helpful. And, I have gained a certain confidence in learning to handle a firearm, despite the fact I'll probably never use it to defend myself.
09:27 PM on 07/18/2009
You are to be commended Mr. Stamper for addressing an issue most men shy away from. The fact that any man could protest there being an domestic advisor for women, while not appointing one for men clearly shows how far down we as a society have fallen.. I wonder if any of the nay sayers have ever experienced a choke hold, been thrown against a wall, kicked or stomped? I really wonder if it's possible that they are such fools they are unable to acknowledge the physical differences that put women at a disavantage? I have yet to see a single man wearing sun glasses to hide black eyes. I don't believe domestic violence has recieved the attention it deserves. It took Nicole Simpson's death to change and add new procedures. How many women have to die to truly have in place severe and stringent laws that will give an individual pause when they raise their hand? Most of the men who batter women are nothing but cowards and bullies. We cannot blame everything on our childhood. People make choices, they can choose not to hit their spouse. I am very disappointed at the way women are still treated on this planet in the 21st Century, no less. We have the ability to be a noble truly civilized society, but we will never reach our potential as long as we believe violence is the key to solving problems.
08:36 PM on 07/18/2009
We also need to make sure that the concept of "hate crimes" goes in all directions, e.g. the recent beatings in Cincinnati.
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07:41 PM on 07/18/2009
I know that all the stats show that men are the agressors in too many cases of abuse. That being said however, men are victims of abuse as well and much more likely not to report it as such. My brother is in an abusive marriage. I am sure that he would deny that if you asked him. His wife can't hold her wine, he'll say. Or I upset her. The truth is, his wife is an insanely jealous sociopathic personality who has isolated him from friends and family. And no one has been able to tell him that in twenty-some years of marriage.
09:57 PM on 07/18/2009
Sorry to hear abt your bro. Get him a copy of Gavin DeBecker's "Gift of Fear", though it's written primarily for females. He may recognize his wife's patterns of behavior, and gain some new insight which might help him stay alive when & if he decides to leave her.