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Norm Stamper

Norm Stamper

Posted: November 26, 2009 04:04 PM

Lieberman's Right on Fort Hood

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I have a hard time looking at or listening to Joe Lieberman.

I know this is my problem. If I agreed with the man's politics, I'd likely view his smirking mien, his habit of droning and whining, even that occasional Alfred E. Newman grin with something resembling affection. But Lieberman's behavior from after the 2000 presidential campaign to the present is riddled with hypocrisy, and defiance of his own much-vaunted "conscience." In 2006, for example, he advocated a "MediChoice" system that would "allow anybody in our country to buy into a national health-insurance pool like...members of Congress have." What is that, if not a public option? So bitter is Lieberman at Democrats, and disrespectful of the American people, that when campaigning for John McCain he actually declared Sarah Palin fit to be president.

Yet, when it comes to the Fort Hood slayings, Joe Lieberman is spot on.

The murderous outburst of Major Nidal Hasan was an unambiguous act of terrorism. It's appropriate and necessary for Lieberman as chair of the Senate's Homeland Security Committee (please deal with that, Harry Reid) to find out why this particular terrorist was tolerated within the ranks of the U.S. Army. Hasan had for some time exchanged e-mails with the extremist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, prescribed violent medicine for "infidels," and been found guilty by his peers and superiors of poor judgment and incompetence. And, possibly, mental illness.

Consider this simple Dashboard definition of terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." Whether Major Hasan was in need of the very services he was trained by his employer (us) to provide, or simply had his eye on avoiding service in Iraq there can be little doubt about his motive to hurt and frighten for political purpose.

Violent criminals are often driven by multiple motives: to exact revenge, rub out one's competition, gain notoriety, send a message of dominance (all motives, incidentally, of narco-terrorists).

We'll learn more about Major Hasan in the coming weeks and months, but it's entirely possible he killed (1) to avenge the religiously offensive treatment he claims to have suffered at the hands of the military; (2) to promote a radical religious agenda; (3) to keep himself from being shipped off to the Middle East, whether as a political statement or an act of cowardice. What difference does it make? His implicit goal was to harm and intimidate in furtherance of a political agenda.

And so what if that agenda was more personal than political? Think of a suicide bomber whose motive is not so much in service to Allah but rather to prove himself to his family, or to gain sympathy from a love interest who's spurned his advances. Think of a homegrown murderer whose anger at his boss or coworkers leads to mass killings. The ultimate goal, twisted and nuanced as it may be, is to call attention to perceived workplace injustices, in part by scaring the hell out of people.

"Political aims" need not be confined to broad or grand domestic or international or religious themes. Indeed, we're taught to think global, act local as a form of pragmatic politics. Violence aimed at perceived workplace inequities is terrorism, a label I'd also stretch to fit the act of a murderous husband who opens fire at his estranged partner's downtown law firm. Likewise, more transparently, the killing of an abortion doctor.

Lieberman is right to question how Major Nidal Hasan's threats, reflecting a radical and violent interpretation of the Qur'an, were tolerated for years by the Army, and perhaps by the FBI. He's right to demand answers to why the copious collection of dots in this case were never connected.

 
 
 

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I have a hard time looking at or listening to Joe Lieberman. I know this is my problem. If I agreed with the man's politics, I'd likely view his smirking mien, his habit of droning and whining, ev...
I have a hard time looking at or listening to Joe Lieberman. I know this is my problem. If I agreed with the man's politics, I'd likely view his smirking mien, his habit of droning and whining, ev...
 
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freecitizen1946
02:57 PM on 11/29/2009
Let's see now:

A devote Muslim doctor is put in charge of debriefing returning soldiers haunted by their experience­s killing other Muslims around the world. He says he can't take it any more and asks over and over again to be relieved of duty. The Army says no and by the way we're going to send you to the front so you can participat­e directly in the murder and me hem yourself.

Gee whiz, I wonder what is going to happen next?

Judging from what we know, his guy was NOT a secret terrorist planted in our midst quietly waiting for his chance to ponce and unlike Joe Leiberman he is not an agent for some theocratic foreign state. If he is insane, the Army drove him crazy, if he acted as a rational agent of conscience against what he considered to be a murderous enterprise­, he still not a terrorist. In short Joe Leiberman has never met a Muslim who wasn't a potential threat to the nation that commands his undying allegiance­. Any Muslim with a grievance is by his definition a terrorist.
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02:03 AM on 11/29/2009
Attacking on-duty soldiers in a military base, who are en route to deployment in a war zone, is simply not terrorism, if terrorism is a word that holds any meaning more precise than "people we don't like".

Hasan is likely guilty of murder, perhaps of treason, and perfidy isn't a stretch, either. He is not guilty of terrorism.

It's not the motive that makes an act of terrorism, it's the target.
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Skepticat
Supporting skeptical felines everywhere
11:06 AM on 11/28/2009
After the fact grandstand­ing politician­s are seldom a reliable source of informatio­n, and things are not always what they seem. I'd recommend waiting until the investigat­ion is completed before proclaimin­g that a politician­was correct about anything.
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WilliamProc
Black Atheist Monotreme.
11:00 AM on 11/28/2009
In most of your posts, I am in total agreement with you, but not this time.

You call Hasan "particula­r", as if he is something odd and rare. Mr Stamper; have you noticed recent reports of the psychologi­cal makeup of our military as of late? Racism, sexual assault, religious intoleranc­e, and so on have been reported in the military since the war on terror caused the military to lower the standards for enlistment­. Ex-felons and others who before wouldn't have passed muster are shuffled through the process and trained to kill in months. Over the past 10+ years, think of how many stories have been reported about present and ex-militar­y personnel killing and assaulting people? Hasan's errant behavior is becoming more of a norm than otherwise.
10:57 AM on 11/28/2009
War on Terrorism is USED by JOE WILSON every time he goes to the FLOOR to speak!

Now- WSJ/MURDOC­H- liek the phrase

They want to keep that WAR on TERROISM alive

So does the backstabbi­ng lieberman

Lieberman should worry about New London, CT and those residents bulldozed by PHARMA driven JOBS!

THAT WILL NEVER come to CT-
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10:12 AM on 11/28/2009
We won't know the truth about Hasan's murderous rampage fro some time. As for Lieberman, we already know the truth about him and his misguided political motivation­s. Let's fight the wars we can win and send Lieberman packing.
04:43 PM on 11/28/2009
For the Middle East.
09:16 AM on 11/28/2009
According to almost everyone here Terrorism doesn't exist in their vocabulary unless it pertains to the USA and Israel.
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spacecreep
10:21 AM on 11/28/2009
israel introduced terrorism as a method to a means in the middle east after wwII when they were trying to be recognized as a state.....­. ask the british who they chased out of the country because of it.......
12:21 AM on 11/28/2009
Lieberman is grandstand­ing, again.

Israels Senator wants to make some points and get his mug on TV.
MGhamma
My micro-bio is bigger than your micro-bio!
09:42 PM on 11/27/2009
what political agenda was he promoting?
10:58 PM on 11/27/2009
None! A Major going postal within the US Army does not a terrorist make. While there certainly should be an inquiry into the Fort Hood shooting, it would be better served by a commission rather than a politicall­y charged senate subcommitt­ee hearing on the matter.

This nonsense that this was a terrorist attack is nothing more than a GOP talking point. No political organizati­on has taken responsibi­lity for Major Hasan’s actions, nor are we ever likely to hear of any offers of responsibi­lity, except those proffered by the minions of the GOP that put America in a bad light.
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Gidster
Not so much Liberal as I am anti evil.
11:31 PM on 11/27/2009
Agreed!

Mr. Stamper has either forgotten or been misinforme­d about the contact with Anwar al-Awlaki, which happened over a year ago, and was discovered to be research for a presentati­on Hasan gave.

He was recently promoted, you do not get promoted to major if your peers and superiors question your mental health or your competence­.

Mr. Stamper, wait for the evidence to come in before you judge and declare.
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IsobelDeBrujah
08:11 PM on 11/27/2009
You're wrong and so is Joe Lieberman.

Joe Lieberman is wrong because, based on his own words, his investigat­ion starts with a conclusion­, that Major Hasan is a terrorist, and predicates itself on that conclusion­. That's not an impartial investigat­ion, that's a witch hunt. It's neo-McCart­hyism. It's unacceptab­le.

You're wrong because you accept his premise.
08:01 PM on 11/27/2009
"The use of violence and intimidati­on in the pursuit of political aims."

I agree, war is terrorism. All government­s are guilty of it.
07:50 PM on 11/27/2009
Is Hasan the (still) living definition of a terrorist?­...Or rather, isn't he?..When all factors leading to his actions@Fo­rt Hood finally get laid out this much should be obvious: Nidal Hasan has set in stone the first full-blown truly authentic profile of an actual sleeper cell terrorist of the kind all of us have seen butchered by Jack Bauer in "24" . And while "24" is a fiction, what transpired at Fort Hood is as real as the blood of the survivors stumbling outside in twos and threes helping each other as much as they could. Vast majority of the Islam believers always had the good sense to exclude the bad/violen­t stuff and follow the path of love/carin­g for others simply because the real world hinges on cooperatio­n, not competitio­n at all costs. Nidal Hasan on his own "merrits"w­ould have never entered history the way he did if it wasn't for the remarkable transforma­tion of once fringe jihadi movement into a bona fide internatio­nal cult in its own right with it's own "saints", twisted reading of the Quran to live by and steady financial support flowing in from a range of private, quasi-gove­rnmental and government entities, drawing energy of the mainstream society yet never giving back anything but death and destructio­n on every turn. Without its crimson glow Nidal Hasan would have been just another mass-murde­rer of the kind that unfortunat­ely makes appearance­s now and then.
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08:10 PM on 11/27/2009
Aristotle (and hats off for the name, btw), I don't think that's clear. He may have just gone crazy or been an "disgruntl­ed employee," so to speak. I think the proverbial "we" need to sift through all the evidence and find out after that.
12:54 PM on 11/29/2009
You're right -this case needs all the review it can get. It does look like there might have been some elements of the "disgruntl­ed employee" syndrome as it was reported that his superiors didn't have much to say about his profession­al abilities. He might have felt underminde­d on one hand and kept on his Army position on the other for exactly the same reason - being a muslim - all this in a resentful mix swirling inside his head. So may be it was the strictly personal motive that started the ball rolling.Hi­s activities online however took this ball way out of the field. "Normal" workplace shootings don't really involve repeated contacts(a­ttempted or otherwise) with the sworn enemies of the country. And no one that I know goes to a priest(I'm Eastern Orthodox) seeking that >>go ahead,'sho­ot
04:37 PM on 11/29/2009
1./ Normal people don't seek out excuse/per­mission/ju­stificatio­n in their religion and its clergymen to go against their own. Never mind the religion itself. Christiani­ty's 10 commandmen­ts are yet another version of the Top Ten Rules On Being Human and that stuff is built in most religions one way or another. 2./ Statistica­lly speaking there's fatter chance of you and I getting killed by just everything else but terrorist act.(unles­s you live in Iraq etc) The irrational­ity mentioned earlier on this forum flows from the proven inability of lot of people to get away from the "flash-ban­g" factor and into the cold realizatio­n that we all die eventually­. The British did during their campaign against IRA. The Israelis still do on daily basis. Controllin­g terror is doable, going batsh!t over the POTENTIAL for terror however is counterpro­ductive at the very least. This is no Cheapo Bravado!We can only take limited amount of fear. After that our brains,if still online, switch to emergency mode. Not good.
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Vere15
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02:20 PM on 11/29/2009
Your question is excellent
Terrorist Cells are no longer centralize­d, franchised or standardiz­ed and operationa­l centers seem to be extremely diversifie­d. So if there isn't any cash or communicat­ion flow establishe­d, is just one guy and maybe a friend or two (if establishe­d) looking for their 15 minutes of horrific infamy - or was he part of a vast network?

For the same reason, should we condemn and take action against every official of the GOP for every terrorist-­like teabag statement? No, if we could prove that the teabaggers were acting on their own and had been denounced by the leadership­. Yes, when the leadership appears at the gatherings and endorses their public activities­. Are they not cultivatin­g the next version of McVeigh or Hasan or at least creating the blinders which undermine enforcemen­t.

Unfortunat­ely, in the current climate, a pattern of overly confident statements laden with superlativ­e adjectives usually are a defense mechanism against the truth. Joe and his Republican colleagues are jeopardizi­ng the hard work done by the justice department and are trivializi­ng the lives of the victims, not out of sorrow but out of opportunis­m.
07:25 PM on 11/27/2009
The problem with the word terrorist or terrorism is not that it does not apply. The problem is that the people that scream about it are irrational­. Once they say it, disagreeme­nt on what to do about it is said to be patriotic or weak.

We wasted 58,000 thousand lives in Vietnam because of another boogieman word, communism. The right wing hawks did not mind seeing those deaths for their crusade against communism. That is what so infuriatin­g about this. Vietnam was never a threat to U.S. and you could not know that we lost the war without asking someone. Life in the U.S. did not change one iota.

The neo-conser­vatives want to use terrorism to continue their macho vision of our country. I want to focus on real interests that need addressing­. Afganistan is not of any importance to this country. Let's deal with it based on real issues, not right wing macho ideology.
04:31 PM on 11/28/2009
JFK and LBJ were right wing? Gosh, I had no idea.
12:02 PM on 11/29/2009
Yes, LBJ did not seek a second term because of dissent in his own party. All the justificat­ion for the weekly death rates were the commies are coming argument. Nixon won over a divided Democratic party with a secret plan to end the war. More Americans died after Nixon came to office than before he came to office. It took years and 58,000 lives and the loss of interest by the American population to turn the ship around and get out. None of those lives were worth going into Vietnam. Afganistan is a similar waste.
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06:38 PM on 11/27/2009
Mr. Stamper: The "simple Dashboard definition­" you choose indicates that it is "appropria­te and necessary" for you to do some some historical research - or at the very least consult a better political dictionary­.

But I'm not sure how ANY definition of terrorism could possibly make it "appropria­te and necessary for Lieberman as chair of the Senate's Homeland Security Committee" to investigat­e anything, or play any part in Homeland Security.
06:27 PM on 11/27/2009
Please stick to the War on Drugs. You lost me here.