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Norm Stamper

Norm Stamper

Posted: December 1, 2009 01:01 PM

Wanted: Dead or Alive

What's Your Reaction?

A Seattle police officer is alive this morning because he took decisive action. Because of his actions there will be no further victims of Maurice Clemmons.

On routine patrol in a residential area of South Seattle at about 2:45 a.m., the seven year veteran, as yet unnamed, spotted a car with its hood up, its engine running. He ran the plate. The car had been stolen earlier in another part of the city.

As he sat in his vehicle doing paperwork, the officer saw a man approaching, a man he recognized as the suspect in the killings of the four Lakewood cops. The officer immediately got out of his car -- he's lucky to be alive -- and ordered Clemmons to stop. Clemmons ignored the order, which the cop repeated. As described during a middle of the night press conference, Clemmons then either sought cover behind the car, or attempted to escape. The officer shot him. Dead.

I had hoped for a different outcome.

Nothing excuses what Clemmons did in that coffee shop Sunday morning. But had he lived we might have heard something of an explanation. We might have learned, with whatever degree of clarity and certainty, even as the system worked to hold him accountable, why he did what he did. There's so much speculation: He was a sociopath, or psychotic. He was the Messiah. He hated cops, and wanted to take out as many as he could before his (likely) return to prison. He enjoyed killing, particularly (exclusively?) those in blue who, in his mind, had done him wrong. He wanted to die, suicide by cop. Perhaps out of shame for having raped a 12-year-old? All of the above, or any combination thereof?

Most who responded to my initial post on the killings were deeply saddened to learn of the deaths of the four officers, their hearts and prayers going out to their families. They worried about the effects of cop killings on society. A few of these same readers joined other, harsher critics who condemn police misconduct that contributes to built-up rage among those dealt injustices at the hands of police. Good cops who cover for bad cops. The drug war and the many harms it's caused. Others focused on guns. Or a former governor of Arkansas. Or a couple of Washington State judges.

I'll be looking at these issues in future posts. But now, I want to say to those who have jumped to condemn the Seattle police officer for killing the suspect: Put yourself in his shoes.

Clemmons, nursing a two-day old bullet wound to the stomach, having killed four cops already and facing at least life in prison, frantically searching for a way out of the state if not the country, and packing one of the dead officers' sidearms, would have beyond a shadow of doubt murdered again. There and then.

He was denied that chance. Whether Clemmons was seeking cover to pull the gun and fire, or about to flee, the officer did precisely the right thing. It was not a "cold-blooded murder," as at least one reader has asserted. It was a courageous and necessary act.

 
 
 

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07:17 PM on 12/12/2009
Norm, I agree with your comments. I would like to comment on all of the Police Officers who were looking for this guy. Many were volunteering their off-hours to get this guy off the streets as soon as possible. Every single one of them knew that if Clemmons saw them first, they were dead. Many of you may not know that of Halloween a Seattle officer was shot dead and one wounded by another man who was just setting up police to be killed. Fortunately he didn't succeed the first time. So five officers dead in less than a month, and yet officers from the whole area were out literally risking their lives. Yes, they wanted to take him alive, but the circumstances did not allow them.
12:41 AM on 12/03/2009
The cop gave a new meaning to that wonderful euphemism "peace officer."
02:40 AM on 12/03/2009
Well, he stopped a man who has a history of a shooting spree from having another chance to do it again...that is keeping the peace, you know?
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08:29 AM on 12/03/2009
So full of crap. Had he raped a 12-year old relatve of yours, had he shot and killed your wife, husband, father, or mother you would not be on your disgraceful high horse. He was warped, his family did nothing to get him unwarped and the police officer did his job. Case is closed.
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12:13 AM on 12/03/2009
So now we condone vigilante justice by so-called "peace officers"? So it's okay for a cop to kill someone who has already killed because he will likely kill again? What the hell do we have courts and lawyers and judges for then? Why don't we chuck the whole system and let cops mete out justice at their own discretion. Yeah, that's the ticket. That would work REAL well...

As a police officer, you should understand that we have a legal system for a reason. Our system is supposedly designed to OBJECTIVELY determine guilt (though it often PRESUMES guilt nowadays). If the only thing citizens have to look forward to is street justice by cops in the place of the ridiculously flawed criminal justice system we already have, these types of situations will just escalate.
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Smithn
Different strokes for different folks.
12:40 AM on 12/03/2009
He was looking for children tol kill as well as an intersection of people to kill. Apparently, He was just like a rabid dog.
02:28 AM on 12/03/2009
Um...like the author said, put yourself in the officer's shoes. The suspect was clearly insane and dangerous and specifically had killed other police officers...this was self defense and was very reasonable. Sure, officers should try to take people alive if they can, but they have to protect their own lives. The behavior you demand from the officer goes against any common sense. If you have ever been a cop standing in a street facing a murderer who has killed other police officers for no reason and you have only seconds to make a decision whether or not to shoot...then maybe you might understand.
08:12 AM on 12/02/2009
This post is heavily weighted in the favor of the officer. There is one point however that makes it an obvious whitewash of any possible criticism of the officers actions. The point where Mr. Stamper injected this line...."he's lucky to be alive" That was not needed to describe this story. It was meant to weigh the article heavily in favor of the officer. I have no idea if the officer did the right thing, I have no idea if the officer is trigger happy. What we do know is the alleged suspect is now dead. It was not proven in a court of law if this man did it or not. You can surmise all you want, but the truth is it is not proven. That process was taken away by one person who acted. That officer wether he intended to or not became judge, jury and executioner. Was he in the right? We don't know, we were not there. We only know what we have been told.
11:18 AM on 12/02/2009
Completely agree. Is there any video evidence that the cop had to shoot him? Or are we just taking his word for it? Personally, when a situation starts with two people alone somewhere and ends with one person dead and the other standing over him holding a gun, I'm always a little hesitant to simply believe the story told by the guy with the gun.
02:31 AM on 12/03/2009
You honestly don't think the cop was justified in shooting defensively? Really? Clearly, the suspect was ready to kill cops for no reason. This officer had no reason NOT to shoot. A suspect like that who doesn't immediately prostrate himself to be taken into custody is a threat! You don't need "video evidence." This man shot 4 cops randomly in public for no reason...there's NO reason to give him the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't immediately surrender.
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12:11 PM on 12/02/2009
"The point where Mr. Stamper injected this line...."he's lucky to be alive" That was not needed to describe this story. "

Based on the suspects prior actions, that the suspect was armed, and that the suspect was obviously not afriad to approach a clearly identified police officer - when he knew the cops were looking for him and he had been actively avoiding them, we can be pretty sure that he was not coming over to the cop to offer him seasons greetings. Indeed, the officer is lucky to be alive. Clemmons had a sidearm, was not afriad to use it, deliberately approached the officer, and made a movement as if to draw the weapon. Had the officer not acted the was he did, the officer could have easily been shot and possibly killed.
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12:21 AM on 12/03/2009
How convenient.
07:57 AM on 12/02/2009
Good riddance!

And thanks for nothing to the HucksterBee™ and the misguided fools in Washington State who let this "deranged individual" out of prison on two separate occasions. Idiots.
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OdinsEye
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10:28 PM on 12/01/2009
Norm,

I agree with you on this. The officer did it correctly. Being a cop, if I am faced with a wanted suspect in a quadruple homicide, considered armed and dangerous, deliberately approaching me, a uniformed officer, and after being ordered to stop and show his hands twice, any furtive movement on the suspect's part would likely result in me pulling the trigger as well. Clemmons represented a direct and immediate threat to the officer even if the firearm was not visible. And the subsequent discovery of one of the murdered officers' sidearm on Clemmons is proof of this.
06:36 PM on 12/01/2009
Ask Sean Bell.
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06:24 PM on 12/01/2009
Two competing things... one Cops just shooting people... not good policy. Two, there is a reasonable fear for your life when you are dealing with a shooter from ambush. You call a warning to put your hands up, to freeze, you identify yourself as a cop or light the guy up, he moves you kill him. But every black man killed by the cops isn't an assassin, some are just guys. I don't have a problem with the shooting of this individual, as long as it doesn't give license to shooting innocent blacks with no notice. It happens all the time, I thought he had a gun, he fit the general description, these are phrases that too many black families have heard as justification for violence by police against black young men. I am going to do something cops rarely do, I am going to differentiate, I am going to take this case as an individual case, judge it on the merits of this moment and this case and let the other stuff go for a different day a different argument. But at some point the cops have to be able to differentiate between a crack head and Doctor/Lawyer. At some point the police will have to treat blacks as individuals not as some theory of the whole.

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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
06:58 PM on 12/01/2009
Norm's piece is about this specific case.

In this case, the officer acted just as he should have. Had he not shot Clemmons, Clemmons would very likely have killed him, still been on the loose, and armed to shoot another day.

Don't know what area you're in, but I was born in Oakland and grew up in the Bay Area. The cops there were definitely racist and even as a white girl I was scared of them. Here in the Pacific NW I have witnessed something altogether different. This is the least racist jurisdiction I have ever lived in or visited. The police here have a much better reputation than in other places. Ssdly, there is much racism, homophobism, and sexism to be found in jobs where people are uniformed and armed - just ask any domestic violence group.

I'm glad the officer defended himself and our community.
07:03 PM on 12/12/2009
I just realized that, although I have followed this case closely, I don't know the race of the officer who shot Clemmons. It was not an issue. This was not a racial case. Clemmons was clearly mentally ill regardless of his race.
05:35 PM on 12/01/2009
Lone Officer, Late at night, gave fair warning, took care of business. Glad he was a good shot.

I'm really not saddened to know some publisher won't make money off telling the killers story and perhaps end up having some other poorly adjusted individual find inspiration in it. Not that someone else won't innevitably sell it for profit.

Just perhaps some stories are best left untold and some perspectives don't deserve an audience even if they by right could have one.
03:30 PM on 12/01/2009
This Seattle Police Officer is a bona fide hero.Anyone who thinks differently has some serious moral and ethical issues to consider. My thanks to the Police Officers in Washington State for making the ultimate sacrifice. We will all sleep better tonight knowing this cold blooded killer can no longer harm anyone else.
12:51 AM on 12/03/2009
Let's hear it for vigilantism ! Let the police make all the laws from now on !
02:37 AM on 12/03/2009
Where's the evidence of vigilantism? This is POLICE OFFICER! They enforce the laws. And why do you think they've carried guns all these years? You are shocked that an OBVIOUSLY deranged cop killer who resisted arrest was shot? Can you really go look a cop in the face and tell him, "hey, when you're faced with an ARMED cop killer in the street who approaches you and refuses to surrender, you should give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to, you know, maybe, shoot you."? That's absurd.

I mean, really, why do you think cops having been carrying guns ever since you were born?
03:15 PM on 12/01/2009
I respectfully disagree Mr. Stamper.

Clemmons will now be never held accountable for his actions of the last few days. He was never arrested, never charged, never put on trial, never convicted, never sentenced, for the murders of four police officers.

There is no justice here for anyone. And as long as the facts of this case remain at the will of the police to control and distribute, there is no accountability. This is that you are defending here Mr. Stamper.

You and I may disagree on the circumstances of what's transpired, but till that's honestly brought to the public, I for one do not view what's happened here as a 'a courageous and necessary act'.
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
07:00 PM on 12/01/2009
Would you rather have another dead police officer on his hands?
09:12 PM on 12/01/2009
You mean there is no other option according to you.

So, police officers are unable to apprehend murder suspects alive?
02:00 PM on 12/01/2009
3. The way this has worked out is carefully detailed by Dyer, who has a talent for making the convoluted seem straightforward. The profits from prisons come in a number of ways--from getting states to pay private companies to hold prisoners when overcrowding becomes an issue, to having the public pay back the corporate interests who loaned the funds to build prisons that the constituency didn't want to pay for in the first place--and Dyer carefully outlines them all. Dyer's analysis of the economics of the modern penal system alone would have made this a great read.
4. However, Dyer goes further than simply describing the bureaucratic and economic practices that enabled government and corporate investors to defraud the public sphere and incarcerate people at an exponential rate, for the penal system itself is only one part of Dyer's "perpetual prisoner machine." The other half operates in and through the news and entertainment media, polling practices and politics. As he reminds us throughout his analysis, what has been driving this shift in the penal system is the public perception that crime is omnipresent, that it is violent, on the rise, and generally perpetrated by poor, young men of color. By tapping into this general fear, politicians have run successful campaigns, and as we've just seen in the presidential race, continue to do so.

the rest:

http://www.scribd.com/full/23447379?access_key=key-b70pp58gnsea9pedld5
01:57 PM on 12/01/2009
His main claim is that since 1980, the American penal system has been on its way to becoming not only a business that transforms prisoners into commodities, but also a robust and profitable institution which today has matured into a being all its own, no longer controlled by the voters who are ultimately in charge of allocating funds to run it. That is, the prison system has transformed from a non-profit, state-run holding-tank for criminals into a for-profit, corporate-controlled, money-making machine that sucks up new inmates as quick as we can make laws to criminalize them, and which in fact necessitates these laws for its financial well-being. According to Dyer, this transformation has been materially driven in part by harsher sentencing laws (three-strikes, truth-in-sentencing), and an eradication of community-service and substance-abuse programs for nonviolent offenders, both of which have naturally led to greater numbers of incarcerated prisoners, leading to a prison building boom, and finally to a greater profits for the stockholders who now own prison companies, stockholders who range from the Disney corporation to the California Teacher's Union pension fund.
01:55 PM on 12/01/2009
Comprised of over 20 Republican Congressmen, Bush's Task Force was a kind

of Malthusian vanguard organization which heard testimony from assorted

"race scientists," sponsored legislation and otherwise propagandized the

zero-growth outlook. In its 50-odd hearings during these years, the task

force provided a public forum to nearly every well-known zero-growth

fanatic, from Paul Ehrlich, founder of Zero Population Growth (ZPG), to

race scientist William Shockley, to the key zero-growth advocates infesting

the federal bureaucracy.

Giving a prestigious congressional platform to a discredited racist

charlatan like William Shockley in the year after the assassination of Dr.

Martin Luther King, points up the arrogance of Bush's commitment to

eugenics. Shockley, like his co-thinker Arthur Jensen, had caused a furor

during the 1960s by advancing his thesis, already repeatedly disproven,

that blacks were genetically inferior to whites in cognitive faculties and

intelligence. In the same year in which Bush invited him to appear before

the GOP task force, Shockley had written: "Our nobly intended welfare

programs may be encouraging dysgenics -- retrogressive evolution through

disproportionate reproduction of the genetically disadvantaged.... We fear

that 'fatuous beliefs' in the power of welfare money, unaided by eugenic

foresight, may contribute to a decline of human quality for all segments of

society."

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=152
01:54 PM on 12/01/2009
Another early elite was Allen Dulles, who served as Director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. Dulles was a senior partner at the Wall Street firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Rockefeller empire and other mammoth trusts, corporations and cartels. He was also a board member of the J. Henry Schroeder Bank, with offices in Wall Street, London, Zurich and Hamburg. His financial interests across the world would become a conflict of interest when he became head of the CIA. Like Donavan, he would recruit exclusively from society’s elite.

Population Task Force

Among Bush's most important contributions to the neo-Malthusian cause while

in Congress was his role in the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources

and Population. The task force, which Bush helped found and then chaired,

churned out a steady stream of propaganda claiming that the world was

already seriously overpopulated; that there was a fixed limit to natural

resources and that this limit was rapidly being reached; and that the

environment and natural species were being sacrificed to human progress.

Bush's task force sought to accredit the idea that the human race was being

"down bred," or reduced in genetic qualities by the population growth among

blacks and other non-white and hence allegedly inferior races at a time

when the Anglo-Saxons were hardly able to prevent their numbers from

shrinking.