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Paul Ryan: God Says That I Can Carry a Gun?

Posted: 08/16/2012 4:14 pm

Religious Right leaders are excited that Rep. Paul Ryan, in accepting Mitt Romney's invitation to be his running mate, said that our rights come from nature and God, not from government.

I can be moved to tears by the ideals included in our founding documents. My wife and I sent an original printing of the Declaration of Independence on a 10-year road trip around the country to let Americans have the thrill of reading these words in our nation's birth certificate, and in their own home towns: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...."

Now, am I crazy to suspect that his "God not government" usage is less an homage to Thomas Jefferson or John Locke than it is a rhetorical boost for the right-wing project to claim a divine mandate for the Tea Party's radically restricted view of the role of government?

This wasn't the first time that our new Republican candidate for vice president used that formulation; several weeks ago he cited nature and God as the rationale for repealing health care reform too, criticizing the law's supporters for believing that health care was a government-granted right.

Other politicians and Religious Right leaders use the notion that our rights come from God to justify their opposition to legal equality for those who they believe displease God, particularly LGBT Americans -- the way some once argued that it was God's will or the natural order for certain people to be enslaved, or for women to subordinate their legal rights to their husbands. Or the way some people believe that wealth and success are signs of divine blessing (or simply of natural superiority Ă  la Ayn Rand) so that we as a society shouldn't be too worried about those born into positions of want and restricted opportunity.

Some even argue that the Constitution was meant to create a government of, by and for Christians. They are demonstrably wrong. The authors of the Constitution explicitly considered and rejected proposals to insert Christianity into the Constitution, and they chose not to. The framers chose the more radical path of separating church and state and creating a country in which one's religious beliefs or lack thereof were no bar to citizenship or public office. Of course, on this as on many other issues, the reality is that in life and in law, at the nation's founding our society was far from the ideal. We struggled for the progress we have made and that struggle continues. So let's do celebrate the legacies from our founders, and at the same time maintain a healthy skepticism toward those who use the rhetoric of nature and God to deny the government's role in promoting the general welfare or securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

 
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07:26 PM on 08/26/2012
The religious right, if their candidates are elected, will make sure that those candidates govern through a blending of church and state, reversing one of the basic principles of the Constitution. This will bring the US in line with many other countries where government is influenced primarily by religious leaders. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria.... Oh, but the religion itself is different, so that will make it all OK, won't it? After all, real Americans are all Christians, aren't they? OK, a Jew here and there, the odd Buddhist, a few Sikhs, no big deal. Muslims are all anti-American anyway, especially the one in the White House. The Americans who really, truly matter are Christians, especially those who believe in the doctrines of the religious right. Of course they are.

For the record, I'm a conservative. I wouldn't vote Republican unless I hated the USA and women.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
02:45 PM on 08/25/2012
Mr. Lear, you continue to entertain with your wit. You said, "...that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights....". Then, you proceeded to outline your belief that this is merely a poor attempt at humor on the part of our Founders. The Tea Party, which stands for "Taxed Enough Already", does NOT stand for opposition to homosexual marriage, though I do. It does not stand for Christian principles, even though you praise the very Christian principle that a Creator exists, as opposed to the atheist principle that no such thing could possibly exist.
The Tea Party exists to call for a return to the strictly limited government that was intended by our Founders. What this means is that NO LAWS could possibly be passed that benefit people directly with money, or those things that money represent, from the government.!
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05:29 PM on 08/22/2012
Kinda scary that basic Enlightenment ideas of rights being innate and not simply being privileges granted by the state is considered radical to many today.
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Dewy Bradford
Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket
09:41 AM on 08/21/2012
Basic Human Rights are not divinely granted or ensured. They are provided and enforced by MAN and GOVERNMENT and it's LAWS.

Either you get God out of your party and politics, or your party is going the way of the dinosaur.
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Berettasskeeter
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02:46 PM on 08/25/2012
If you insist that government provides and enforces Rights, then you must agree that government may eliminate those Rights. I disagree vehemently with your view of unlimited government.
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Dewy Bradford
Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket
12:56 PM on 08/26/2012
disagree all you like, it's not a government of you, by you, for you.

Of the People....
By the People...
For the People
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Dewy Bradford
Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket
12:59 PM on 08/26/2012
I actually point out how the right to own slaves was taken away, and yes, I agree with that. Do you?

Please point out a Constitutional right we have lost that you do not agree with? We've actually GAINED rights... but I understand you must fear to live, like a shark must swim.
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10:40 AM on 08/20/2012
Norman Lear wrote: "Religious Right leaders are excited that Rep. Paul Ryan, in accepting Mitt Romney's invitation to be his running mate, said that our rights come from nature and God, not from government."

Natural law philosophy works equally well with or without God. A more accurate statement would be that our rights come from nature or God, as natural law philosophy is quite compatable with a Darwinian world view.
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enlightened45
04:29 PM on 08/21/2012
When you can adequately describe either nature or god, then you might have a legitimate point. Otherwise.....
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05:25 PM on 08/21/2012
I have no intent of describing God.  Nature is another matter entirely.  Your complaint would be equally a criticism of Darwin's theory of evolution...That unless Darwin can "describe nature" he can not have a theory of evolution.   Is that what you claim?
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
02:47 PM on 08/25/2012
When you can adequately describe the exact evolution of man, and the creation of the univers, then you might have a legitimate point. Otherwise.....
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dbrett480
01:33 AM on 08/20/2012
Ryan's comments show that he is going to be a great force to be contended with in the debates. Everything he said is 100% correct on where our rights come from. The liberals on this site cannot see that because they are incredibly ignorant on US History and political philosophy.
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Dewy Bradford
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09:39 AM on 08/21/2012
Hardly. Ryan is a spoiled kid pampered by money given to him from the corps. Once he gets in front of the nation he will be exposed as a craven little boy wearing a man's pants.

If you really think rights are given by God, try to explain why he allowed so many to die at the hands of Godless warlords, why God (The Judeo Christian one) is second best in the world he created... with Islam being the #1 religion?

Allow me to answer for you... there are no angels, there are no divine rights. We have basic human rights because they are enforced by MAN and GOVERNMENT. God has nothing to do with it. Divinely inspired perhaps... but certainly not divinely granted or protected.

Either you get God out your party, or your party will go the way of the dinosaur.
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dbrett480
11:48 PM on 08/21/2012
So you are saying that the government has a right to decide what rights we can and cannot have as human beings? The whole concept of human rights comes from the idea that our rights transcend government. It is an incredibly liberal concept to believe this. For some reason modern liberals see the word God and freak out. There is no reason to.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
02:50 PM on 08/25/2012
Nonsense. Your typical Leftist "tolerance" is hanging out again for all to see. There is NOTHING you can cite as Ryan being pampered by corporations. Everytime he stands in front of an audience, his erudition comes forth. And when compared to Biden or Obama, the man is a great orator on the greatness of America and the American Dream.
Anyone who believes in God knows that such a being would be to us as we are to a protozoa.
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enlightened45
04:30 PM on 08/21/2012
Maybe we just don't believe in the big guy in the sky myth...do you think?
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dbrett480
11:40 PM on 08/21/2012
What you believe is irrelevant. He was referring to what the Founding Fathers believed. And they believed our rights are given to us by a higher power, not by government.
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marrano
10:42 PM on 08/19/2012
over the years i have had this type of discussion with many evangelical christians.

not one of them ever heard of "divine right of kings"
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10:51 AM on 08/20/2012
Natural law philosophy espoused by Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau displaced "divine right of kings" and acknowledged limits on the power of government. It is this philosophy upon which our form of government is based.
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marrano
09:55 PM on 08/20/2012
which has nothing to do with the conservation.

divine right of kings was a core christian believe for 100s of years.

yet today it is unknown among christians as they now believe our form of government is jesus favorite
10:01 PM on 08/19/2012
How do we, as an american civilization, attain "an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry and government have been reached?" as one source defines civilization? I believe that religion plays a part in culture...........but it is not THE culture of a country entirely. We're in a real mess.
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modeforjoe
We had the experience, but we missed the meaning
08:39 PM on 08/19/2012
The American Revolution has failed. We are now almost a theocracy, and the god crowd has the stage.
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QuietProfessional
Recovering Jedi
10:55 AM on 08/20/2012
The "god crowd". Now that me chuckle, even if it's claptrap.
11:24 AM on 08/20/2012
I don't think there has been a time in history where god has played less of a role in politics. (Mind you, I think that's a good thing)
08:30 PM on 08/19/2012
Just so you know, Norman, I'm a very well-armed atheist, and I'm not voluntarily disarming myself for you or anyone else. I don't care what laws you pass that attempt to turn me from a free citizen into a subject, I'll defy them. Turn me into an enemy at your peril.
11:24 AM on 08/20/2012
Ditto.
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enlightened45
04:34 PM on 08/21/2012
Bravado...even on the web...now it is apparent why you deem it necessary to bolster your "ego" with sidearms.
07:32 PM on 08/21/2012
Not bolstering my ego, bolstering my liberty. And this was not bravado, it was a friendly warning.
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Alan Lunn
04:11 PM on 08/19/2012
There were no Democrats or Republicans as we know them when the Constitution was written. But there was a healthy distrust of monopolies. The Boston Tea Party was a rebellion against the monopoly control of the British East India Company. Today's "Tea Party" (Koch-heads) is a mockery of the original. And both Romney and Ryan are hybrid candidates (plutocrat-politicians). We now effectively have "taxation without representation." It is time to end hybrid government and the hybrid state (corporatist state) where bribery is the toxic and systemic pollution of Washington. If Americans have lost their minds, they will vote for these guys.
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Seedpod1
Truth is the new hate speech
08:46 PM on 08/19/2012
Seems to me there was a British tax on that tea that went into Boston Harbor. It was a rebellion against the British East India Company??? HaHaHaHaHa !! ROFL Best laugh I've had all day, thanks!

Yeah that Tea Party is pretty radical. Just imagine, people who would get together to read the Constitution and the Federalist Papers! Ooooooh, Scary!
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elkabong
Campaign finance is the disease.
10:40 PM on 08/19/2012
Alan Lunn is correct. It seems to you that there was a British tax on that tea because you are misinformed (and pretty arrogant about it, seemingly).

The Boston Tea Party was about the fact that taxes weren’t high enough on a corporation (East India Trading Co) because of their arrangement with the King. It's favored tax status was putting small, American operators out of business. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against monopolies and favored status for corporations.

The laugh is on you.
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andyriveria
marrano
10:44 PM on 08/19/2012
you know i find it odd the wrap themselves in the flag wave the constitution site the federalist papers and spout such anti american rhetoric
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10:01 PM on 08/19/2012
freedum dosnt werk, we nead more govermint to make us do good and live good!
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Joe Meeker
Nos sunt legio.
04:07 PM on 08/19/2012
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by THEIR creator with certain inalienable rights...."

Not THE creator, as in a singular, specific deity, but an acknowledgement of any and all. Many of the founders weren't even Christian. They were deists. To corrupt their pure statesmanship to beget power for your own people and to throw down others is monstrous and very un-Christian.
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Grumpy Man
Disappointed idealist
10:22 AM on 08/20/2012
Well said.

My "creators" were known as "Mom" and "Dad."
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Dopster
Retired....finally!
04:06 PM on 08/19/2012
I believe Republicans think God wrote the Constitution!
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dbrett480
01:27 AM on 08/20/2012
That isn't what they believe, nor is it what Ryan said. At least Republicans are somewhat literate.
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Dopster
Retired....finally!
10:38 AM on 08/20/2012
When they claim that our "rights" are given by God, that sounds pretty much what they believe!
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mkelch
Know or listen to those that know.
03:37 PM on 08/19/2012
One of many of our founders grand experiments was the assertion that our leaders were not in any way divine. They were neither closer to nor guided by god and therefore as human beings were subject to the same rules as the rest of us. This was a radical departure from the way most societies were governed and it did not happen by accident. Governance by divine-right had been going on in every part of the world for thousands of years.
So it's not surprising that even in our "modern-age" some of our leaders still cling to the idea that what they think and believe is a product of divine inspiration; that they are some how closer to god than the rest of us and that the people they lead are meant to obey without question. After all, it's absurd to disagree with god and his anointed spokespeople. God does not make mistakes.
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Silverfloss
retired
01:59 PM on 08/19/2012
Tea Partiers are not followers of Christ or they'd sell all that they have and give to the poor. Tea Partiers do not follow Jesus; they serve the makers of money. They reject Christ's teaching that they should sell all they have and give to the poor. Yep, Tea Partiers reject Christ, not follow Him.