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Posted: June 29, 2010 03:19 PM

Misstatements and Factual Errors: New York Times Gets it Wrong in Piece on My Film

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The New York Times' Larry Rohter attacked our film, South of the Border, for "mistakes, misstatements and missing details." But a closer examination of the piece reveals that the mistakes, misstatements, and missing details are his own, and that the film is factually accurate. I urge Americans to visit www.southoftheborderdoc.com and see for themselves the litany of factual errors made by Rohter and the pervasive evidence of animus and conflict of interest in his attempt to discredit the film. I prefer to focus here on other important points the film aims to elevate.

As shown in South of the Border, since Latin America started electing left and center-left governments, beginning with the election of Hugo Chávez in 1998 in Venezuela, and followed by Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, El Salvador, and others, major U.S. media outlets have often provided distorted and biased coverage of the region. This coverage has often portrayed Latin America's shift toward progressive governments as a destabilizing and undemocratic force for the region and a threat to American national security.

Consequently, most media reports on Venezuela frame their stories in ways that are likely to make American audiences distrustful and apprehensive of Venezuela. These frames are reinforced by commonly repeated media myths and inaccuracies that further tend to portray the Venezuelan government as an enemy of the United States, and as an increasingly totalitarian government that is stifling dissent, cracking down on the press, and eroding democratic freedoms.

I have no problem with honest debate surrounding the issues raised in South of the Border or for that matter and of my films. I know very well that my films are provocative and in fact they are intended to promote discussion and to move people to seek information and answers for themselves rather than having it spoon fed to them by uninformed reporters. We have all been victims of years and years of blighted journalism and I pointed that out at the National Press Club last week before a room full of journalists. South of the Border takes an unflinching look at the role the media has played in perpetuating and disseminating misinformation to Americans, and I like to think that it is a counter to the imbalance that has existed. There's a great story unfolding in South America and it needs to be told.

Also Read Bob Naiman's Huffington Post blog "NYT Attacks Border with False Rant of Pro Coup Reporter".

 
 
 
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10:06 AM on 07/05/2010
Mindblowing film Mr. Stone, being raised in Venezuela, I have friends on both sides of the fence, and an anti Chavez family. I'm glad to see that Democracy is reigning in Venezuela, and Latin America. AMAZING FILM.
02:14 AM on 07/05/2010
Thanks for chiming in, Oliver Stone. Shades of what this site used to be before it became a soap box for every single b list celebrity with a political view. No doubt history is repeating itself. I believe high ranking sacred cows in our government and military have been actively trying to promote movements against Chavez since he was elected in the late '90s. And, as usual, they're using the press to do it. Americans calling out Chavez for using censorship is laughable, considering the way Bush used the FCC for the past 10 years and how we just put up with it. And the reason the press continues to rail on that is because it's all they have on him. He didn't annihilate hundreds of thousands of innocent families to gain political power and control of oil the way the Bush mafia did in Iraq. I don't agree with all of Chavez's methods but I'd take him as my leader over George W. Bush or the likes of a Sarah Palin ANY day.
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02:02 AM on 07/05/2010
Oh yes. I get tired of the same old expert trotted out for each NY Times article on Mexico and Latin America. I think we do a huge disservice by allowing such a silly lens on Latin America, because our countries as so intertwined.

Don't know much about Venezuela so look forward to learning more when I can see the movie.

I just wish the tired old trigger words that go with Latin America, Mexico, Immigration, all that would end - why is there so much fear?
11:37 PM on 07/04/2010
Gracias Mr Stone for have the heart tp spread the trurh...
07:13 PM on 07/04/2010
Read 'Confessions of and Economic Hit Man.' Long before the Stone movie, John Perkins details his own work and complicity in drumming up propaganda against leftist movements in South America and the role the US Media played advocating the narrative of the US State Department. This is not new information.

Our media serves the propaganda interests of the US government foreign policy establishment. Just read Lara Lohan's comments regarding the Rolling Stone article
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zuzuzpetals
09:30 PM on 07/04/2010
Nice post. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
05:33 PM on 07/04/2010
So all of the reports of him shutting down TV stations that criticize him are untrue? The reports of him nationalizing anything that he feels like aren't true?

Stone, Penn and Glover are all getting played by him. It's actually pretty funny.
They're his puppets.
02:27 AM on 07/05/2010
Look at the footage of the attempted plutocratic coupe. All of the faces of the coupe supporters are white. All of the faces of those protesting the coupe are shades of brown.

End of discussion
08:26 AM on 07/05/2010
I suppose you haven't noticed that none of our media are truly critical of any administration now. The newest Harvard report proved that even the NY Times stopped using the word torture when referring to waterboarding when it became public information that we were torturing people.
Phil Donahue opposed the war in Iraq and was fired from MSNBC. There is no need to shutdown a TV Station when they are quieting journalists on their own or you have someone like Lara Logan who refuses to report anything negative about the people she covers.
What's wrong with him nationalizing industries, like oil, that will benefit all the citizens of his country instead of making a couple of people extremely wealthy?
Stone, Penn and Glover all have their critical thinking in tact and we can all learn from them.
04:50 PM on 07/04/2010
You Are One of My Favorite Filmmakers Mr. Stone.

I know it's hard to ignore critics with agenda, like the NYT, because the amass money on Wall Street/City of London to persuade the serfs of their empire that what they do to 3rd world countries is right, just and healthy for the world.

But please be comforted that many people are waking up to the bought-n-paid for propaganda because the same Wall Street crowd that looted Venezuela, when I lived there, are now looting the United States with unlimited bail outs and perpetual war-for-profits.

When Chavez was elected, I never seen so much objectivity and criticism of the government by the press that's mosty owned by the oligarchs of Spain, The Cisneros family.

However, like any responsible nation, a government should not allow propoganda to go as far as cheering the coup de tat of their elected leaders, even if the leader is considered 'bad' by outside opinions'.

Does there exist some croniasm and corruption Chavez's socialist party? Sure

But what government on earth can point the finger? Certainly not the Wall Street owned U.S.

Venezuela is doing alot of things right by making the poor people his priority, will that anger alot of rich Venezuelans who benifited from the corrupt Wall Street puppet governments of the past and have now fled the country? Of course.

But remember, your complacency to get rid of Wall Street is what contributes to the poor who elected Chavez.
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03:07 PM on 07/04/2010
You can be guaranteed it won't be told by the propaganda pandering New York Times current editorial board or the reporters in their employ. The Times is no longer the paper of record with their pandering to the Brightbart/O'Keefe ACORN fraud just as a starting point.
The NY Times isn't fit to line the bottom of my birdcage and I wish them exactly what they deserve after the Run-Up to the Bush/Cheney War of Lies and Fraud and their pandering to Wall Street greed and fraud is even more disgusting and exposing of their failure.
May they go the way of all flesh.
02:41 PM on 07/04/2010
Very good friends of mine were born and brought up in Caracas. Their parents still live there. I think all of them would vehemently disagree with oliver stoneface. Chavez is a communist thug. There is no democracy in Venezuela. oliver stoneface is a radical who's movies are not worth the film they're printed on. he should try living in venezuela for several years....and then see if his tune has changed. i'm sure it would, as the song gets worse.l
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09:38 PM on 07/04/2010
My sister and her husband lived in Venezuela for two years, working for a supplier in the Detroit auto Industry. They had a lot of complaints about their experiences there.

But it would never occur to me to draw any general conclusions from their statements.

Why not?

The reportage of a singular point of view does not provide sufficient data to draw any general conclusions. That is a fallacy in reasoning, fairly well known to those who paid attention in school.

Following in your post is a series of unsupported assertions apparently intended to insult Chavez, Stone, and anyone who might take them at their word.

Rhetorically, and argumentation is rhetoric, you do your case harm by making pejorative statements with no support in logic, reasoning, statistics, cause and effect, comparison, figurative expression, rhetorical questions, nor any other of the tools and operations of argumentation.

From what you say, you have not yourself ever lived in Venezuela, and you are challenging the veracity of someone who has at least spent time there.

I don't see Stone as a saint, and recognize that he usually has an axe to grind. But he seems to be out there making those exes his life work, while here we sit idly chatting on a social network. Do you see some inequity of intent and effect here?

You seem like someone who wants to make a statement to be taken seriously. I recommend "Empowering Writers" which website has a great workbook on argumentation and persuasion.
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03:55 AM on 07/05/2010
Fanned and favorited, and I would have followed you on Twitter, but the link isn't working. Most of your post would apply to a lot of people in these comment threads, on just about any topic, but especially on the immigration/AZ law issues.

I knew better, but I read the thread for Friday's article "Arizona's Anti-Immigrant Law Hits Women the Hardest" about women suffering violence and rape that are afraid to report and be outed to ICE. I wasted my time reponding to one of many emerging from their rocks to blame the victims with "she can get in line and come here LEGALLY if she wants" (actual quote.) I posted a link to the graph from reason.org showing this assertion as flawed, but was answered back with the "I knew a guy..." story that too many feel trumps actual statistics and documentation.

I wish I could cut-and-paste most of your calm and eloquent words above, because when faced with such blind and intentionally entrenched ignorance of those who continue with not only incorrect, but nasty comments in spite of being shown facts that contradict them, I just want to respond with the exhasperated reaction from Jon Stewart to FoxNews: "Go f@%k yourself!"
07:46 AM on 07/05/2010
Thank you for your reply. It's obvious "Empowering Writers" has been of great help to you, I have neither the time nor the inclination to cite chapter and verse of the inequalities suffered by the Venezuelans I know, and their enitire families who still live in that country. My comments, short and simple...to make people aware that Oliver Stoneface, Sean Penn and other hollywood extremists, really have no idea of the chaos and destruction Chavez has brought upon this country. They judge a book by it's cover, and rarely read the contents.
08:00 AM on 07/05/2010
It occurred to me as I read your post how unhappy many people in the US would be should we vote in a government that decided to care for the people. Obama is thought of by some as a Socialist regardless of the fact that he has done nothing to earn the name. And what some people found so objectionable under Bush they are embracing with Obama, e.g. rendition, an assassination list.
The opinions of people who may not have benefitted from the changes made by a government leader do not necessarily mean their view is the correct view and the last word.
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01:15 PM on 07/04/2010
I moved to South America in 1992 from Canada. I can now see that the North American media is nothing but a propaganda arm of the US State Dept. As each South American country has elected governments that were friendlier to their own citizens than American companies they have been demonized by the State Dept. Of course the American Media immediately falls in line hence Chavez, Morales, Lula and the rest have become the new enemies du jour.
Down here we are all thankful that the USA is up to it's ears in Afganistan and Iraq and they can't afford to pay attention to us. The one thing that gets Latin Americans nervous is when the USA begins to pay atention to us because there is probably some general they want to put in charge of our country.
08:19 AM on 07/05/2010
Beware the military bases in Columbia that the US plans to use for operations throughout South American nations that are considered 'anti-US' and The Fourth Fleet that was reactived in 2008. South Americans should never think that the US isn't paying attention because we are. Bush failed to overthrow or destabilize Chavez' government but it wasn't for lack of trying. Look at the coup Obama arranged in the Honduras last year. There is no country too small for us not to pay attention to.
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12:54 PM on 07/04/2010
The NY Times is an imperialist rag. I don't believe a word they print. Oliver, you and Michael Moore are thorns in the side of the corporate oligarchs and I applaud you for that.
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PRONESE
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12:49 PM on 07/04/2010
Jeeze Ollie, I you can not trust the NYT for a supportive review, who can you trust besides El National or Panorama?
Posish!
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11:49 AM on 07/04/2010
Mr. Stone, you have supporters who understand the role people like you play in our society. We are we you and will never be bamboozled by "uninformed reporters" who do not want to do any real journalistic investigation but desire all the glories of investigative journalism.
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11:49 AM on 07/04/2010
It does need to be told, and thank you for telling it.
10:49 AM on 07/04/2010
what's happened to julian asange, the wikileak founder who was being hunted by DOD?