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Responding to Leopoldo López

Posted: 07/20/10 03:17 PM ET

Leopoldo López, a right-wing opposition leader in Venezuela who supported the military overthrow of the democratically elected government there in 2002, complains about my film (South of the Border), saying "Mr. Stone argues that the assault on human rights is of secondary concern."

But my film argues the opposite. It's just that the "assault on human rights" in Venezuela has come from the right, from Mr. Lopez and his allies. One of the first decrees by the coup government that Mr. Lopez supported was to abolish the elected Congress and the Supreme Court. Protesters were shot, and officials of the constitutional government arrested. And the victims of political violence to this day in Venezuela are also victims of the right - mostly poor peasants organizing for land reform, killed by landowners.

The struggle in Venezuela is not so much about one man, President Hugo Chávez, as the right would have us believe. It is a political battle between the left and the right. Not surprisingly, as in the rest of South America, it is the right that has the ugly record on human rights and issues of democracy. And it is the right that represents the rich -- López was former mayor of one of the wealthiest areas of Caracas -- against the majority of the people, much as in the United States.

Mr. López offers a "Tea Party" view of Venezuela, in which everything that is wrong with the country is the fault of the left government, and Chávez -- like Obama for the Tea Partiers -- is a "dictator." López is very selective in his use of statistics. He does not tell the reader that since the Chávez government got control over the national oil industry, poverty has been cut in half, extreme poverty by more than 70 percent, and thousands of doctors added to the public sector now provide health care for the poor.

Some of his statistics are misleading. For example, the 650 percent increase in prices he refers to is an average of 19 percent annual inflation. This is high, but much lower than the pre-Chávez years, where inflation passed 100 percent in 1996. Most importantly, it is real economic growth, not the price level, that matters; and inflation did not prevent the country's record growth from 2003-2008 that cut unemployment in half and pulled so many people out of poverty. Most Venezuelans are better off since they have a government that decided to use the country's oil wealth for the benefit of the majority. That is why Chávez has been re-elected twice, each time by a larger margin.

As Mr. López's opposition colleague Teodoro Petkoff has acknowledged, the Venezuelan opposition pursued a "strategy that overtly sought a military takeover" from 1999-2003. It is that right-wing strategy -- which has been supported from Washington -- that has presented the biggest threat to democracy and human rights in Venezuela.

 
 
 
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02:20 AM on 07/29/2010
I think that Mr. Stone is out of reallity of Venezuela, maybe if he live like one of us and not with the money that the goverment of Venezuela give to him to make that "documental", he maybe can understand the real thing here, but is easy say anything about a Venezuela if you got money for that. I think Mr. Stone also as Mr. Sean Penn are in a big mistake, but despite that many Venezuelans have hope that this crisis here will end, soon or later, and maybe that will make these people like Stone or Penn and many others that take advantage of the circumstances will open they eyes.

Sorry about my english, I'm a Venezuelan and spanish speaker.
03:21 PM on 07/25/2010
It is childish to compare Venezuelan opposition with the Tea Party in the US. You can't compare Chavez with Obama. I am Venezuelan and an American citizen. I provided all my support to Obama in the past and will do again in the future. I believe that people are first than corporations. The ideology that Chavez is selling is a facade for totalitarianism. Please remember that totalitarianism can be from the right or from the left. Chavez has aliened himself with Ahmadinejad. The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) principal component of the drug trade of that country, and with the Castro brothers. It is clear where Chavez stands regarding human rights.

People live in Venezuela in fear of the government. This fear is not a paranoid product of racism as happens with the tea party in the U. S. This is the fear based on reality that comes when government officials come and silence and kill your neighbors. When government officials have power over your future and of your children. When you don't have the certainty that in some years from now your family will be able to survive or be slowly silenced unless they become part of the government party.

The fight against U. S. irresponsible capitalism of the later years and corrupted CEOs in this country has nothing to do with Venezuela. Please don't make the assumptions that Venezuela's struggle can compare to the United States
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05:08 PM on 07/26/2010
Actually, people in Venezuela overwhelmingly support the government. The ones that don't tend to be from the upper and upper-middle class, because they are being stripped of their right to exploit the majority of the Venezuelan people. That's why people continuously vote Chavez into office, and why he's got a much higher approval rating that the corporate hack currently running the U.S.
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08:36 AM on 07/25/2010
well delineated mr. stone.
and do not read too much into the certainty that this post will be flooded with corporate 'sock' accounts and proxies for the chamber of commerce.. they can be readily identified by two consistent markers; 1.) they almost always have less than 10 fans (often 0, account created on the spot, just for your article.) and 2.) their comments reveal a deep affection for authority and for accumulated wealth.
10:44 AM on 07/24/2010
almost every goverment institution in Venezuela is totally controlled by anything chavez can say, chavez controlls the goverment because "chavez is the goverment".. besides he does not like to talk about real problems of this country, he is killing the economy when he expropiates. not in a good way or with a good lenguage u know? he expropiates and makes a lot of noise of that so other people does not make inversions so easyly, those numbers about "poverty" are realtives, there is a desaster arround the big cities in Venezuela.. maybe we sholud start to include every place arround the cities to the cities themselves, we have to add and include, not divide..¡this is not about left or right (they are made of the same very much, at least in here) this isn't even about chavez we have to understand that we have to start to work together, we can raise this country up we have everything to do it, we just have to decide to do it go up Venezuela!
05:38 PM on 07/23/2010
So disappointed when you have an artist who you really admired and he blows everything when getting involve in something that he has no vote on. Shame on you! and now I can´t stand your work and millions of people like me feel the same. And by the way, Sean Penn you too suck!
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03:30 PM on 07/23/2010
Excellent article.
02:54 PM on 07/23/2010
The problem. Mr. Stone, is that you hear what you want to hear and say what you want to say.

Your film may be right in terms of showing the better side of Chávez, to be fair, but it is not balanced.

Any person, government or political ideology isn't just made up of "better" sides. There's always a "darker" side that is worse, something nobody should be proud of, and this cannot be denied.

I would have a lot more respect for you, Mr. Stone, if your film included at least an attempt to be faithful and accurate about a few of the criticisms made against Chávez. By refusing to do this, it is clear that you prefer to serve as a promotional vehicle and not as a filmmaker who cares about the complexity of reality.

It's not surprising though, since you and your fellow filmmakers who worked on the "opinionated documentary" (sic) in question have admitted that you didn't care about hiding your sympathies. But the way to fight anti-Chávez bias is not to make a ridiculous pro-Chávez film, it is to portray the truth, which requires making decisions that, unfortunately, neither you nor any of your supporters have made.
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02:19 PM on 07/23/2010
Now what do you say, reactionary ideologues?
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09:38 AM on 07/23/2010
Viva Chavez!
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05:30 AM on 07/23/2010
Spot on Oliver. For the supporters of Venezuela's anti-democratic right - how many times has Chavez been returned to office? And remember those elections were deemed fair and claen by international observers. Some people detest Chavez because he won't play the house Latino to Uncle Sam and thus isn't lining the pockets of the likes of Mr Lopez's family and friends who were lucky enough not to be born in the slums.

P.S Oliver - any chance of a movie on Brian Boru? (You'd be the man for the job)
09:55 AM on 07/23/2010
yeah Chavez is only lining his pockets now, and the ones from all his brainwashed criminal allies. go live there.
06:55 PM on 07/30/2010
the one that brainwashed is those middle class of venezuelan society, they think those poors are stupid enough to be poor, and think themselves to be able to be rich like those white-authority class someday if they work hard and exploit those poors, while actually they cannot be such one ,and they are not any different from those poors by the perspective of white rich class. they are just used by riches and they think just as riches do to chavez, while chavez reflects more to middleclass than any other presidents from white rich class throughout the history of venezuela
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07:08 AM on 08/19/2010
@greenworld1: 'yeah Chavez is only lining his pockets now, and the ones from all his brainwashed criminal allies'

Do you care to provide any proof of your allegations, anonymous one?

@greenworld1: 'go live there.'

I'd love to! Actually, I'm slightly more inclined to move to Cuba, Bolivia or Ecuador, but Venezuela would do.
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03:09 AM on 07/23/2010
Stone, I like your works, but I think you go too far with Chavez, he is obviously a dictator. You have to know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely !

Too bad your JFK film was so terribly attacked, for it had so much truth about how
the right wing killed him. You have to wonder if some of the Secret Service was in on
it as some were told to back off of the car just before the shooting and then, contrary
to hundreds of hours of training, his car slowed down instead of speeding up !
Look at the Zap. film, it is obvious.
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05:16 PM on 07/26/2010
"Obviously a dictator" if you take the words of the corporate press. What does he do that makes him "obviously a dictator"? He was voted into office by a majority, and has the support of most of the people in Venezuela. The U.S.-backed corporate "free speech martyrs" that plotted a coup against the democratically elected Chavez in 2002 -- they were dictators (people who used military force to attempt to install themselves in political office against the will of the people). These real dictators are what the New York Times calls "dissidents" and "the opposition press". Chavez, who was elected in fair and transparent elections, is called a "dictator". How does that work?
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05:44 AM on 07/27/2010
he shuts down opposition media, demonstrations, changes their constitution....

and like Castro, who I used to have more sympathy for when far left, he shoots his mouth
off for long periods and makes a fool of himself.....

Having been New Left I know the arguments, democracy is rigged, only enough opposition is allowed to make it seem fair, etc....and some of that certainly is true at times in the US and elsewhere....maybe it's really bad and Obama and the Dem's are only puppets of the super rich elite and those secret societies like Skull and Bones.....but that would leave almost no hope, and for our kids and the future I have to have at least a little.....

Chavez, there are plenty of other leftist that could take over or win elections, he should do the right thing and get out of the way. And making deals with corrupt and greedy Russia is another bad sign.
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08:47 PM on 07/22/2010
"Buying Venezuela’s Press with U.S. Tax Dollars"
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5510
08:20 PM on 07/22/2010
lol, the documentary is perfect you can see the opposition of Venezuela here trying to boycott the film ( they are the only ones that who can speak English), the coming from rich backgrounds, where their parents had provide them with the best bilingual schools, however the people from the barrios (ghettos) those that support Chavez are no here to defend their leader do to the motive that they do no understand/write or read English!! Chavez is the president because the majority of Venezuelans want him, and the (AD or Copei) similar to the republicans and the democrats in USA who steal from Venezuelan for so long WILL not comeback to seat in Miraflores, those 2 parties were the worse thing that happen to Venezuela! NO VOLVERAN!!
10:23 PM on 07/22/2010
What are you talking about? That is not the opposition I know (and I live here). The opposition I know is made up of every class- I actually have a hard time nowadays finding people who are not in opposition to Chavez policies. They may not vote straight "opposition," and that is because the opposition does not offer very many good candidates, but that doesn't mean they support the current administration.
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05:17 PM on 07/26/2010
You'll find a few million who are not in opposition to Chavez if you go to Venezuela, where the majority of people who live there voted for him. But you'd have to leave your gated yuppie community to talk to them.
06:15 PM on 07/29/2010
whether the poor vindication u make right here about why oppositions keep losing against hugo chavez is true or not, i have to tell you that the only reason we still see hugo chavez on news or tv is becuz majority of venezuelan chose him as their leader. if they do not support the bolivarian administration, then we will see no hugo chavez more in tv or news after next election.
06:29 PM on 07/22/2010
Oliver Stone is presenting a different view of the situation in South America. If you're lazy you might just take the opinion of the major media outlets, but if you do some research, you'll see a different picture of what is occurring. It's pretty wild, you'll see countries like Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia, and Others joining together to build a unified bank to rival that of the IMF, they've presented a unified stance when it comes to overthrowing elected governments.

I hope you read more about both sides, then see the situation in a more balanced manner.
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03:11 AM on 07/23/2010
As formerly New Left, and Goldwaterite before that, I can see your pov.

But Chavez is obviously heading towards total dictatorship, which he promised not to do.
Brazil, etc. are more diverse and still open societies.
06:23 PM on 07/29/2010
how do you know so surely that Hugo Chavez is heading to totalitarianism? huh ? because he closed down some medias? those were not medias but just ignorant institution doing propaganda only for riches. what Hugo Chavez is doing now is the least 'dictatorship like' in whole venezuelan history. just think about the such manipulation done by AD and COPEI before Hugo chavez. they reflected only 20~30% of the society, and those left behind and abandoned 70% of venezuelan didn't have anyway to express their own voice for more than 50 years. And now THANKS TO HUGO CHAVEZ, they have their voice for first time since the foundation of modern politics of venezuela.
06:13 PM on 07/22/2010
"and inflation did not prevent the country's record growth from 2003-2008 "
Mr. Director, you are not dumb, are you? The one AND ONLY reason that happened is because of rising OIL prices, which in large part happened due to friends' (Bush/Cheney) policies.
2002 elections were fair? But what about EVERY SINGLE election held since? Also fair? Yeah, I thought so... Just as fair as elections in Cuba, North Korea, China and Zimbabwe.

And finally, can you tell me why there;'s more murders in Caracas per capita, than in Baghdad?

Chavez is a dictator, who hopefully will be removed before he completely destroys t nation!
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08:16 AM on 08/19/2010
@'b thunder555': 'can you tell me why there;'s more murders in Caracas per capita, than in Baghdad?'

Here's an interesting excerpt from a CNN report on the subject:

Murders down in Caracas, but police wielding heavy hand

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- When the murder rate soared early in the
decade, Caracas residents who could afford it bunkered down, shielding
themselves behind steel bars and high walls topped with broken glass.

They spent millions of dollars on security patrols, guard dogs and bulletproof
windows.

The police also took action, staging mass roundups and detentions and
setting up roadblocks to frisk motorists.

Now the murder rate is down dramatically, and many parts of the city are
safer.

Yet the people of Caracas aren't claiming victory. Some districts remain
exceedingly dangerous, and the cost of fewer murders by civilians appears
to be more killings and other abuses by police.

Police officers "combat the situation of poverty with indiscriminate
repression," said Tarek William Saab, a human rights lawyer.

It might be interesting to note that the date of this article is 29 September 1998! So, Caracas had a high homicide rate long before Hugo Chavez became president. Moreover, the Caracas Municipal Police were an extremely right-wing force that took part in the 2002 coup against Chavez, in which they killed scores of Chavez supporters calling for his return. (In 2008, policing in Caracas was taken over by the national government, but AFAIK there hasn't been a thorough purge of the force yet.)