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Are The French Really Better Parents? A Different View From Paris

Posted: 02/ 7/2012 3:34 pm

They dress well, produce more than a thousand varieties of cheese, and have a former supermodel for a first lady. Now the French are better parents, too?

So claims Pamela Druckerman in her new book, "Bringing Up Bebe," the latest installment in the foreigners-are-better-parents genre. The book recounts Druckerman's personal experience raising kids in Paris and compares American parenting to the French model.

Not surprisingly, we Yanks don't fare well.

French children, she claims, don't throw temper tantrums, play contentedly by themselves, and sit quietly at mealtime without throwing food. French parents achieve these and other impressive feats by establishing authority, setting firm boundaries and -- most importantly -- cultivating the invaluable attribute of patience.

She describes a virtual parenting utopia where mothers are calm and collected (not to mention well-dressed), obedient kids don't throw tantrums and parents are deeply satisfied with family life.

But does French-style parenting provide a truly enviable and replicable framework for American parents?

As an American mom raising my own children in Paris, I agree that the French do parent differently. Very differently. But the relevant question here is not how is it different but why?

The answer is simple. Our two cultures value very different things. Where the French value tradition and solidarity, Americans value innovation and individuality. Where they seek to cultivate qualities of patience and intellectual uniformity we strive for entrepreneurialism and originality.

Our parenting styles serve different goals. So it should come as no surprise that we go about it in different ways.

From the first days at their kids' preschool through high-school graduation, American middle-class parents see our children as vessels of limitless potential. Given the right encouragement and opportunities, little Jack and Emma could grow up to be whatever they choose! So, we look for schools and activities that use the latest teaching models, employ the best teachers and most of all, praise, support, encourage! We hesitate to say "no" for fear (albeit somewhat absurdly) of crushing their little spirits and landing them, one day, on the therapist's couch.

In France? Non. French children go to school to be trained in the time-honored traditions and lessons of French society. French schoolchildren are not so much taught how to think as they are filled with knowledge. They succeed through memorization, competition and by giving the one (and only one) right answer.

Unlike in the U.S., academic success is still essential for professional excellence in France. Without the right degrees from the right schools, a French man or woman has little hope for a truly distinguished career. In the U.S., one can drop out, invent something in a garage, end up on the cover of Time magazine and even change the world.

Young teachers in France who try new methods are viewed with suspicion, not admiration. I was recently chatting with a group of French moms about a new teacher's approach at our kids' school. "It's not the way we were taught," several of them said with alarm. It was therefore suspicious and unwelcome.

Parents in France are not invited to volunteer in the classroom and parent-teacher conferences happen by appointment. Even in the earliest grades, teachers are feared and classrooms are run with an almost militaristic precision. Fun isn't really part of the deal. Teachers teach, parents work, and kids play. Everyone has their own sphere and their own separate job to do.

French home life is like this, too -- structured and based on age-old models. Parents don't devour the latest parenting books (there aren't many) or rethink their approach to discipline in search of a better method. You're not going to catch a Parisian mother calling herself a "bad mom" because she forgot the snacks or didn't pack an extra diaper. In fact, she's not going to say it at all. It's just not French.

With their kids, the French deploy an authoritarian model based on respect for elders and upholding tradition. They use methods that many American middle-class parents today view as outmoded and even dangerous. Despite Ms. Druckerman's claims, most French parents I know consistently raise their voices (and even their hands) to their kids to teach them who is boss.

And while French children are often quite obedient in their parents' presence, their penchant for self-control diminishes quickly when they're away from mom and dad. I have watched many a petit francais go wild in my living room and respond to my admonishments with surprising defiance. American parents, however, often have the opposite experience: Our kids are angels at school and at friend's houses but become deaf mini-tyrants at home.

Ms. Druckerman goes on to cite studies that show French women report greater satisfaction with childcare than their American counterparts. But of course! Who wouldn't find parenting less stressful and more enjoyable in a culture that heaps benefits and assistance upon its parents and families?

She cites the relevance of these benefits but quickly shifts focus to our shared values of reading to our kids and exposing them to activities as evidence of common ground. But this misses the point. National support for mothers and families - of both the material and social variety - shapes the way we view our responsibilities as parents. Its impact on the culture of parenting cannot be overstated.

The French expect the state (through free, high-quality daycare, schools and healthcare) to offer a helping hand in raising their kids. They are shocked by the idea of exorbitant preschool tuition and the financial burden healthcare places on many American families. Most even receive a monthly cash per-child payment that increases for each additional child they have. Americans famously want their government to keep its hands off.

We therefore define "good parenting" in vastly different ways. A "good mother" in the U.S. (a virtually unattainable state of grace) is, by definition, a deeply involved and engaged mother. A sit-on-the-floor, clap your hands, dig in the sandbox, finger painting kind of gal.

Mothers I know in France simply do not do these things. This notion of motherhood strikes the French as patently absurd. This is what preschool and extracurricular activities are for. Self-sacrifice (like giving birth without an epidural or breastfeeding into toddlerhood) is seen not as a hallmark of a devoted mother but of an overly burdened woman who needs to get a life. Only about 55 percent of French women breastfeed at all and most wean their babies after three months.

French parents are not expected to abdicate their adult lives and ambitions in order to raise their children. Au contraire: They continue to view themselves as adults with separate lives that do not revolve strictly around their children. As Ms. Druckerman correctly points out, the French rigorously guard adult time and space; hence no toys in the living room, no toddlers in the parent's bed.

So, before we abandon American parenting practices in favor of the French, we must ask ourselves what end we hope to achieve and what supports we're willing to put in place to help parents achieve it. Do we truly want to change the culture of American parenting? Then we must first be willing to change American culture itself.

 
 
 
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05:54 PM on 03/24/2012
Don't we all wish (as the article insinuates) that Steve Jobs’ genius were a direct result of good parenting. Don’t we also wish that our children (as the article states) were “angels” at school...but tell me, how many schools has Ms. Frost visited lately?

As an American mother, I must agree that French mothers are not superior by our standards, which are much higher than the French (and “virtually unattainable”) because we shoot for the stars. Which begs the question: what went wrong? If our children shoot each other, or commit suicide at a higher rate than the French, then perhaps we should aim for something more attainable, or at least reconsider our parenting style...
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02:03 PM on 02/20/2012
Yes, that's true. We, French people we hate our children. As parents, we never play with them. As teachers, we do not think it is important to learn how to think, but we stuff them with knowledge. And without our beloved State we are helpless creatures.
In this article we learn nothing about France : "A "good mother" in the U.S. (...) is, a deeply involved and engaged mother. A sit-on-the-floor, clap your hands, (...). Mothers I know in France simply do not do these things" Who can even BELEIVE that ?
We do not learn about America either, we only see the caricature of the American dream.

We only learn that to Paige Bradley Frost expatriation is not about trying to understand another culture and society. It means coming with a caricature in mind and seeing everything trought this caricature. It means refusing to see the complexity and the originality of the country you're living in. Unfortunatly it seems that moving was useless to her, because she doesn't want to see the people there.

I don't know if the education I try to give to my son or pupils is better or worse or equivalent to the one American children receive (which ones ?). I just wish that if my son comes to live in a foreign country, he will keep an open mind, and will not only seek to make himself beleive that there is no better way that our way.
03:18 AM on 02/21/2012
Bravo Laurence & very well said. This article does not represent the opinion of every American living in France. I, for one, think that Paige Frost cannot see very far past her American nose.
04:33 AM on 03/02/2012
Hello Laurence and thank you for taking the time to comment. I do believe, however, that you have deeply misunderstood both the content and tone of my article. I would never suggest that the French "hate" their children; how absurd. I am attempting to provide some cultural and societal context for the very real differences in the two parenting styles. (and of course there are enormous variations within each!) I am also disagreeing with some claims Ms. Druckerman makes in her book where my experiences differ from hers.

I am in no way suggesting that the American model is "better" than the French; there is much to be learned from each. The French are very fortunate to have the support of their government; it enhances the French experience of family life and makes a better work/family balance possible for many. In my opinion, American families would benefit if our government adopted some of these models. But we do not have the benefit of this state support.

As for my expatriation experience, it is entirely about understanding another culture and society. My children attend French public schools, my husband was raised here and I have many French friends. I have deep appreciation for the richness and complexity of French culture -- but this article is not about that. It is about Ms. Druckerman's book and how my views and experiences here and in the U.S. differ from hers.
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07:18 AM on 02/18/2012
I am a new mother of a beautiful 9 month old girl and I can say I don't know what I am doing lol. But I can say that I know how I want to do things. I want my little girl to know that mommy can sit on the floor and crawl around and play with her but at the same time set boundaries, like bed time and eating your dinner. I want her to know that I value her intelligence, creativity and charisma (among so many other things) and will help her and work very hard to ensure that nothing holds her back from what she wants to do. But at the same time I will allow her to fall down every now and then because that is how we learn, by picking ourselves up again. Parenting is a balance. You don't have to be a strict boundary setter at all times but you also don't have to be your childs friend all the time either.
06:32 PM on 02/14/2012
Ms Druckerman is writing about a very small section of upper-class Parisians whose children are raised by nannies, not your average French parent. She is merely taking advantage of the fact that so many parents will gobble up any book that claims to have the secret to easy parenting.
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04:20 AM on 02/18/2012
CORRECTION: They're BOTH hanging out with the bourgeoisie... The 1 Percent-ers of Paris... The 6th, 7th and 8th Arrondissement-ers.

I've never met a family in Paris (or anywhere else in the real world, for that matter) that didn't have at least a few Legos in every room.
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uh la la
06:26 PM on 02/14/2012
Pamela Druckerman, author of the newly published Bringing Up Bébé: One American Mother Discovers the Wisdom of French Parenting had written an article for Marie Claire in 2010 about taking part in a threesome with her husband and another woman to mark his 40th birthday. The article was available as a PDF, but it was unavailable from the Marie Claire site itself.

http://www.edsaintsimon.com/fichiers/infidele-Marie-claire.pdf?id=infidele-Marie-claire.pdf

Joanna Coles, the editor of Marie Claire, explained why the article was down and said that it will be available online again soon: “Pamela asked us to take down the piece because she felt it would distract from the book, and we agreed to take it down for about a month,” Coles said. “She’s a good writer and a valuable contributor to Marie Claire.”

Plus she wrote a book called "Lust in Translation" where she examines infidelity around the world.
11:08 PM on 02/14/2012
Thanks for this info. She thinks that she can hide her past??? and later come out with a parenting book and put American families on the floor???

She make a huge mistake....trying to hide a threesome with her husband, a book about infidelity and later wrote a parenting book....what amazing journalist reputation. I understand why she asked to Marie Claire to take down the article (Damage control).

She can give me her book for free......here is my answer.....NO THANKS!!!
04:41 PM on 02/15/2012
I don't see how an article about a threesome and a well-researched book about infidelity affect her credibility. The article is funny and is more about her finding out what it must be like for guy to get a women to sleep with him. It's certainly not a how-to guide.

The Bringing Up Bebe book is a her personal journey and about the difference rather than a parenting guide. Sher puts herself down several times in the book. I don't see where she's putting "American families on the floor."
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bluespagan
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07:15 AM on 02/18/2012
How does an article on a 3-some affect the research and the book that she wrote? OK, so she doesn't go by the socially accepted norm that is set for sex but that doesn't make her a bad parent. This act was between consenting adults. No big deal.
05:12 PM on 02/14/2012
I don't think the mothers of France are saying they are better than American mothers. It seems the author of the book is American and she is saying that there are SOME things that Americans can learn from that are currently not part of the American Culture of raising children. The French are not saying their way is better... it is an American doing that. I don't think that deserves any hate on French women for the way they raise their children.

Remember it is an AMERICAN who wrote this book. It is an American author's perspective of a her OWN experience watching French women in Pairs raising their children. So stop the hating and just enjoy another perspective on raising children.
12:18 PM on 02/14/2012
Extremely interesting. I'm french and I red a lot of comments regarding Ms Druckerman's book but I definitely agree more with Paige. Two different cultures, two different ways of raising your children. I'm a mother of one (waiting a little but more to continue the production..) who is half french and half Brazilian, so basically quite different one from another. Obviously I already teach my child some stuff my parents used to teach me too but, hopefully, I'm really happy that he's learning really good things (such as creativity, individualism and so one) that Brazilian culture provides. I think that french style parenting has good assets but in Brazil, child is still a child and is allowed to be one and not to be a mini adult.
But I still think that we dress better ;)
Congrats for the article, really well done.
10:14 AM on 02/14/2012
I think the French just use a more traditional parenting method, similar to what our parents used on us, or even their parents for that matter. There are pros and cons to each and it's a personal decision. Whatever you end up doing, your children will be a product of you and your outlooks and views on the world.
09:51 AM on 02/14/2012
Yes, ultimately what the author of the book is saying is that she thinks some of the values prioritized in France are better for her kids. Don't think this is about France vs. USA and which nationality makes a better mother. Sometimes generalizations need to be made in order to get a point across. the writer is in France and that is where she experienced the cultural difference. She wanted to apply some of their methods because she thought it was better for her kids than some of the ways she was accustomed to in the US. Yes, other generations may have used these principles in raising children in the US too. Yes, many other countries also use many of these principles. But she doesn't live in another generation or in those other countries. She is writing what she experienced. The fact that it's France and there happens to be a trend towards loving all things French is probably a big part of what has made this book so popular - may even have been planned that way. But i think people need to try and understand that these things should be taken with a grain of salt. you need to allow for some generalizations sometimes - it's not the end of the world. I think we're all smart enough to figure out that no one means all French moms parent like this, that all of their parenting methods are perfect and that France is the only place where this
12:34 AM on 02/14/2012
I hope we can all remember that an American wrote this book and is comparing the two cultures... the people of France are not going around waving their flags in American's facing declaring they are better. It is your OWN who have done that. Also, don't be so insecure. If you are feeling that you are doing a great job don't let ONE perspective ruin you and start hating on the French. We don't want "freedom fries" back (I hope).
10:45 AM on 02/13/2012
Nothing sells better than false generalizations...
11:31 AM on 02/13/2012
That is to say, thank you for calling B.S. on Ms. Druckerman.
11:56 AM on 02/15/2012
I actually find this author's (Paige's) characterization of American parenting a generalization. Not all American middle class parents eschew tradition for originality. Not all American parents "hesitate to say "no" for fear (albeit somewhat absurdly) of crushing their little spirits and landing them, one day, on the therapist's couch." My question to Paige is what is wrong with raising children who value tradition, solidarity, innovation, and individuality because in life one will be called upon to take on these characteristics at different times.
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11:59 AM on 02/11/2012
OMG. First it was Chinese moms we all had to be and now it's French. Remember when being a mom was as easy and as All-American as apple pie? Oh wait, apple pie's not good for us anymore either. Thank god I still have my sense of humor. At least until someone says that Latvian or Albanian or Chilean moms have better ones.
http://greatparenting.hubpages.com/
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11:58 AM on 02/10/2012
I didn't care too much for the first article, but this one made me happier to have been born and raised French than I have been in a long time. Thank you.
08:35 AM on 02/10/2012
I am an American mother of four boys all born and raised in Paris.

The contrast between French and American parenting led me to write a blog: Home Is Fun www.home-is-fun.com because I heard too many French mom's scream at their kids in public. Of course they love their kids...it's just hard to notice sometimes...and they, like families of all nations, have moments when home is no fun at all.

Home Is Fun develops tools to help families put into practice their parenting strategies. When I ask the French mom's what they hope for their kids, they come up with eloquent ideals. Then I inquire what they do on an everyday basis to develop these ideals, they respond, "Mais, c'est une autre histoire!" That's another story. One box for life strategies. A seperate box for daily life. Hum....

I've started doing workshops on "How to Give Instructions so that Kids Want to Follow" because the French moms begged me to do so! They want creativity and fun in their parenting. (By the way, there is no word for "parenting" in French. Some call it "the art of being a parent" Others also call it "education" which is the same word Mrs. Druckerman used to translate "discipline.")
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07:37 AM on 02/12/2012
Thank you. From the get go this has been less about parenting and more about an infatuation with the French.
12:23 PM on 02/14/2012
This hubub has made me think...about How the French are Superior in Romance : Loving à la OhOh et LaLa

On the occasion of Valentine's Day I did write a post contrasting French and US romance...and what it means for the culture of each of our own families.

Here's the link: http://www.home-is-fun.com/index.php?post/2012/02/Why-French-Romance-is-Superior-%3A-Loving-%C3%A0-la-OhOh-et-LaLa