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We Need Experienced Teachers

Posted: 04/23/2012 12:49 pm

From Bill Gates to Arnie Duncan to Michelle Rhee, there's a lot of talk these days about what to do with our nation's teachers: Evaluate effectiveness. Raise salaries. Get rid of tenure.

What we hear less about is keeping teachers in the classroom long enough to make a difference for their students. Teaching is at serious risk of becoming nothing more than a short-term, public service opportunity.

If we want to build an education system built to last, we need to prepare teachers for the long haul and support them in staying in the classroom. By treating teaching as a revolving door occupation, we shortchange both our students and our society.

At a time when we know it takes roughly 10,000 hours to develop expertise, close to 50 percent of teachers are leaving the classroom within the first five years of teaching, well short of those 10,000 hours. And in high poverty schools, where students benefit even more from high quality teaching, teachers are even more likely to exit quickly.

In fact, in the decade between 1997 and 2007, the typical number of years of experience for teachers in the United States dropped from 15 years to just one year. In Washington D.C., following the reforms implemented by Rhee, the proportion of new teachers rose sharply, to nearly a quarter of the teaching force in several of the wards, according to a report in the Washington Post. These are stunning statistics, especially since studies have shown that first year teachers are less effective than their counterparts.

In some ways, this cultural shift in teaching is a return to our past.

In the previous two centuries, teaching was often seen as a temporary occupation. Becoming a teacher served as a vehicle for social mobility for the individual, opening up higher education for women and African-Americans at a time when few other occupations were open to them. No attention was paid to how temporary teachers affected students. This perspective held through the 19th century, and teaching continued to be a short-term job for most. Since teachers were not allowed to be married in many places, women would leave to raise families and men would leave for better paying jobs.

Today, though, we know that high teacher turnover is bad for students.

A new study produced jointly by researchers at the University of Michigan, Stanford, and the University of Virginia indicates that student achievement is negatively impacted by high teacher turnover. The study looked at students in New York City schools and found that student achievement in math and English in grades 4 - 6 was negatively impacted by high teacher turnover. This effect was particularly strong in schools with more low-performing and African American students. Even when a student's own teacher did not leave, the churn of teacher
turnover negatively impacted overall achievement across the school.

Some might argue that keeping teachers in the classroom is not a priority. In fact, programs like Teach for America focus on attracting the most talented college graduates into the classroom in order to prepare leaders who understand the challenges of public education not to prepare career teachers. Yet the high attrition from programs like Teach for America hurts their overall effectiveness, according to our research on pathways into teaching in New York City.

The current research on the effect of teacher turnover on students makes it even more imperative that we focus on ways to keep teachers in the classroom longer, especially in high poverty schools. In fact, Teach for America recently launched a new program called Teach Beyond 2 to encourage their corps members to consider staying in the classroom beyond their initial two-year commitment.

The crossroad is clearly marked. We can invest in the development of highly skilled and well-prepared teachers and create incentives and working conditions to keep them in the profession. Or we can continue to fill schools, particularly high poverty schools with students most in need of high quality teaching, with short-term teachers. To pursue the latter path would only increase the disparities in educational opportunity and achievement that are growing in our society.

So in all the talk about teachers, let's talk more about supporting teachers to help them stay in the profession and improve their craft. As one bumper sticker reads: You can't put children first if you put teachers last.

 
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From Bill Gates to Arnie Duncan to Michelle Rhee, there's a lot of talk these days about what to do with our nation's teachers: Evaluate effectiveness. Raise salaries. Get rid of tenure. What we hear...
From Bill Gates to Arnie Duncan to Michelle Rhee, there's a lot of talk these days about what to do with our nation's teachers: Evaluate effectiveness. Raise salaries. Get rid of tenure. What we hear...
 
 
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08:40 PM on 05/08/2012
This is all about control. The easiest way to control a population is by limiting the quality of education that a person receives, therefore it's no wonder that inner city schools are essentially targeted for this type of initiative. I've been working in an urban school for ten years and am getting tired of the rhetoric, disrespect, lack of pay raises, and basic lies told to me by the central office, the government, and politicians. Paying real money for these "leaders" to step into a classroom full-time and try to do what we do.
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acumenguy
It could be carried by an African swallow
04:15 PM on 04/29/2012
"Or we can continue to fill schools, particularly high poverty schools with students most in need of high quality teaching, with short-term teachers."
Unfortunately, teachers who have "been around for a while" can see the writing on the wall.
-Teachers are devalued. Teaching staffs are being fired whole sale.
-With all of the "test-mania" going on, veteran teachers are seeking out positions in "comfortble" shools with principals who are more than happy to have them to maintain the high standard that already exist in those schools.
-Veteran teachers are sick and tired of the disrespect dumped on them by parents, Arne Duncan, and school boards that blame them for everything from low test scores to the wind knocking out their cable T.V.

Good luck to the new generation of young altruistic teachers who will probably fill those positions in those "schools-in-most-need."
09:20 AM on 04/28/2012
Thank you for this. Dedicated teachers are incredibly important!
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jgdyogiangel
Just think the bullies never win. Ghandi
12:47 AM on 04/28/2012
Oh how true this is, how very very true. It makes me go pale when I read how educators think the young college grad is such a much better teacher than the experienced older one down the hall. How when layoffs come it should not be senority. Ah, go inside a school, the young ones are being mentored by the senior teachers, maybe not formally but they are. I have taught for 23 years and everything I learned that was of any value I learned from my fellow teachers, watching, listening, asking, learning. My university courses for my credential were next to useless. They are a treasure and kids and parents both know it. They want their students in those classes.
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CA Maestro
Am I teacher of music, or a musician who teaches?
08:31 AM on 05/01/2012
Teaching is a funny thing - I've seen good teachers go bad, bad teachers improve dramatically, and everything in between. Some people start off with a bang and then fizzle out because they didn't progress beyond their first bag of tricks. Some people keep a slow, steady pace for decades. I was kind of a late bloomer - kind of weak until I finished my masters. Now I'm trying to re-invent myself because I'm feeling stagnant.
There is something to be said for the energy and enthusiasm of the younger teachers and the rejuvenating effect they can have on a staff, but without the wisdom and experience of the older teachers - there would be a lack of stability and direction.
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jgdyogiangel
Just think the bullies never win. Ghandi
06:57 PM on 05/01/2012
Ask yourself this, if you wanted to learn to fly a jet, would you want someone out of college or with 20 years experience. I have seen enthusiastic teachers, cute and creative and clever, but whether the kids actually learned it that's another story. And most important how long can they last with their dog and pony act. I am for respecting experience and honoring people who know how to handle the long run anddon't bail out on the kids when they start to get tired of it all.
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Brash and Harsh
01:58 PM on 04/25/2012
My error:

The equation should have been A + B =10
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Kate Perez
05:44 AM on 04/25/2012
The real goal of these ever-increasing testing requirements is to turn public education into a cash cow for the testing companies. In order to teach to the test, we are forced to use more and more pre-packaged educational programs that also turn into big business for those who own and promote them. Never mind the kids, it's about making money for those who control the system. Once it is all done by computer, anyone can proctor it. Voila, real teachers will no longer be necessary.
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EmmaNYC
shoes & ships & sealing wax, cabbages & kings
01:36 AM on 04/25/2012
Nice sentiment, totally in accord with the research, but completely divorced from reality. Instead of growing and nurturing teachers for the future, our society is hellbent on driving them from the classroom. Between dictating exactly what and how every nuance of the curriculum must be presented, the incredible overload of useless and numbing paperwork, the emphasis on data and teacher 'report cards, the ever rising requirements and standards that no teacher or child can ever meet, and the continual news articles bashing teachers at every opportunity, who, with any other opportunity at hand, would choose to be a teacher? Add in low pay, disrespect from administrators, parents and the public at large, the attacks on teacher tenure and teacher unions and the recent decrease in medical and retirement benefits and in a short order, a teacher who lasts one full year will be considered a full-fledged veteran.

Here's advice from an experienced educator, who never, ever considered pursuing any other career, who loved helping children discover themselves and their world, and who has watched the teaching profession become absolutely loathsome: no matter how much you think you want to teach, to give back to the community, to work with children, to share your excitement about learning, find some other line of work. Going into teaching will only make you miserable and sad, very sad.
03:40 AM on 04/25/2012
I agree with everything you said.

F & F from a 16 year veteran teacher from Hawaii.
10:20 PM on 04/24/2012
I am now in my 8th year teaching and credit having stayed to my training at STEP- especially under Professor Grossman's guidance. She taught us to see teaching as a true profession - something that takes years of practice.

I do struggle with pressures and desires to leave teaching, but always remember the high standards STEP set for us to excel. I don't believe I've reached all those standards of excellence, and I want to continue in this field as long as I feel I'm growing.

Many young teachers may see teaching as a stepping stone, but I've found fulfillment in schools that push me to take actions that have wider impacts beyond my own classroom. The settings in which I've taught have helped me see myself as a leader while still allowing me to develop my own practice, and I think that's helped me stay.

I'm grateful that my training embedded in me such a high level of respect for the career I've selected. I'm happy to say that because of that, I've avoided becoming another teacher who leaves.
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Brash and Harsh
02:11 PM on 04/25/2012
castle81:

If you enjoy teaching, and the students are learning, that is very excellent. It makes me feel good for your students.

It's funny, I am not a math person, took no math in college, but two of the courses that I enjoyed most in high school were Advanced Algebra (third semester) and Trigonometry.

Especially the Algebra teacher. She appeared to enjoy teaching, and seemed to actually like her students.

A few months ago, I wrote a Reply suggesting a very pro-teacher Reply suggesting ways the educational industry could avoid teacher burn out.

One would cost nothing. As a reward for the best teachers, once every couple of years, they could teach a "Senior Seminar" of no more than 12 students on a subject of their choice,.

Got no positive feedback.
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CA Maestro
Am I teacher of music, or a musician who teaches?
12:12 PM on 05/01/2012
That's because the idea has several problems. One is that allowing a teacher to run a class with small class sizes is a tax on the system. Classes need space and resources, and most of the time (especially these days) schools won't invest in classes with low enrollment. The second problem is one of the bigger issues dealing with teacher evaluation and rewards - how do you determine who the 'best' teachers are? Otherwise, it will devolve into a bed of favoritism among the administration.
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Count of Anjou
Fiscal Conservative & Taoist
12:03 PM on 04/24/2012
A lack of experiened teachers is not the problem. The problem is a lack of parenting. Until this problem is resolved, effective teaching cannot occur in the schools that have the poorest performance.
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Brash and Harsh
02:19 PM on 04/25/2012
Count of Anjou:

I agree whole heartedly with you.

There is a solution. One that would bear great benifits, and over ten years would pay for itself with a reduction of social services, law enforcement costs, and prison costs.

1. Close FUBAR ( Google the term) one month early in the school year. Its like ending a boxing match with a TKO.

2. Immediately level the school, and immediately begin work on a full service, full time boarding school. Yes the inital cost is very high.

3. The model for the school would be the best European, Third World and American boarding schools.

4. Parents would have the option of sending their children to the next nearest day school, or to the new boarding school.

I have written a great deal about this on this site, only to be flamed or told it is impossible.

I have tried to refine the details to get criticism, but I never hear any interests from the teachers who go to this site.

If you are interested, I will re-post some of my ideas.

The idea of this is "what is in the best intersests of the children". Not in the best interests of the parents, the educational industry, and except as positive side effect, the teachers.
11:05 AM on 04/24/2012
I'm not sure if any other recent graduates are having this problem, but I have been searching for a teaching job for 2 years now. I live in DC where education is SUFFERING, where they could use teachers who have gone the traditional route and have experience in the classroom. However, I am being beaten out by Teach for America and fellowship participants - this is something I don't understand! I have a passion for teaching and want to be in the classroom more than anything. I'm just finding it very difficult to get the extended experience.
10:44 PM on 04/24/2012
It's shameful. But, when you have billionaires pulling the strings none of the politicians will do a thing for you. They've been doing that in districts around the country even in states with large educations cuts and teacher layoffs. It's an silly program created by arrogant, greedy people. Good luck with your search.
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Brash and Harsh
02:36 PM on 04/25/2012
catyburs:

Part I

I too have serious problems with this whole ""Teach for America" thing.

Since you mentioned your personal situation, let me tell you where I am coming from.

Part of it is personal. These are people who consider themselves on the way to extremely high paying jobs, and this will put a little diversity into their resume, at no great expense to themselves.

I went to Northwestern University, eons ago. My first experience with teaching was being bussed to a inner city (Chicago) community center to tutor kids. It was a fraternity project to burnish the image of the fraternity.

At the time Northwestern was all white, and and I was a student on the lower end of the affluence scale,. My father was a 7th grade teacher, who taught citenship classes four nights a week.

But, like Head Start, it is an excellent idea, but you have to continue it, and make it a regular part of the system.

I too, wanted something after my B.A. So I applied and was accepted to Makerere University College of the University of East Africa. Instruction was in English and tuition free. (Makerere has a web site).

As you may know, many indigenous people have 'rites of passage' for their late adolescents.

(Google: "Sun Dance of the Plains Indians) They can be very difficult.

Going to Graduate School in East Africa was mine.

It appears this rich Ivy Leaguers have found theirs.

At your expense.

Continued Above.
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novabird
Lover of Life, Radical Centrist
06:34 AM on 04/24/2012
Making teachers disposable thanks to policies promoted Rhee, Gates and others will eventually create a billion dollar payday for the private education companies. Their goal is to decimate and then destroy teacher unions and public education, and replace it with pre-packaged standard rote curriculum designed to massively dumb down the population. A steady supply of dumbed down, easily controlled workers is an ideal situation in a fascist, totalitarian country (which is what the US is becoming)
10:46 PM on 04/24/2012
I swear you are completely right. Go work in a charter school and see what you find. The peopel promoting this nonesense are clueless and scary. They have no idea what they are doing. I read that the person who created the English core has never taught a day in their life and is associated with Gates. But of course, the national media won't do any strong reports on these issues.
11:30 PM on 04/23/2012
Teaching is a great profession and a terrible job. If you work hard enough you make less than minimum wage. I honestly have never seen anything like it. As a first year teacher, coming from a high technology management position, I find the working environment the worst I have ever encountered. At least a camp councilor gets some fresh air. I am amazed people stay as long as they do. I for one won't stay in public education one minute longer than I need to, to qualify for my license. Private sector here I come. Experience matters but not as much as you think. Some of the most stressed out teachers are the ones getting close to retirement. What a mess.
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novabird
Lover of Life, Radical Centrist
06:35 AM on 04/24/2012
Teacher burn out is a huge problem
09:50 PM on 04/23/2012
It is the case that most teachers begin work with little experience. This means that our children are being taught by those new to the profession. Have we considered the cost to our children. See http://www.childrenscorneronline.com/2012/03/20/on-the-front-lines-teachers/ ‎
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jgdyogiangel
Just think the bullies never win. Ghandi
12:57 AM on 04/28/2012
No they haven't considered the cost to the children. It's like a chess board, and they experiment and move the pieces around, but ignore the results.
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perlin
07:22 PM on 04/23/2012
It is all about money. Some unethical and cynical politicians came with the idea of getting rid of experienced teachers for the reason of saving money on pensions and making sure that their own perks and pensions will stay intact.
10:48 PM on 04/24/2012
so true
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perlin
06:48 PM on 04/23/2012
Some people are able to see the nonsense of the anti-teacher climate that was successfully ignited by irresponsible politicians and their supporters. The main focus of the school reforms on stripping teachers off the tenure, benefits, and dragging them through mud will not solve the problem of poorly performing students in inner cities. Without the tenure the most money strapped school districts will fire the experienced teachers who have the most expertise on how to positively impact the students in the difficult and under performing schools.
10:52 PM on 04/24/2012
If they take away the benefits they won't be able to keep teachers, especially in urban districts. I know lots of people who have worked in inner city charterswith low pay and poor benefits. You wouldn't believe the turnover rate. Every time I see a phony report on tv about charters I just laugh. The rules are so loose the CEOs make a ton of money. It is all about the money.
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jgdyogiangel
Just think the bullies never win. Ghandi
01:00 AM on 04/28/2012
Further, any teacher that dares to cross an administrator will get fired. So many times a teacher has to fight for their class and their kids. Especially in special ed where they try to pack in the kids beyond the federal guidelines. Now a teacher can go to the union, ask for help an fight the administrator. Without tenure or a union she'd be fired on the spot.