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Pat Williams

Posted: March 12, 2010 02:06 PM

Movement Advocating State's Rights Must be Approached with Caution, Wisdom and a Good Memory

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Whenever I hear a pundit or politician West spouting about the need to transfer power from the federal government to the states, I think back to my college days at the University of Montana.

The campus is bordered on its northwest by the Clark Fork River which, in the days of my youth, was an open sewer. Under the auspices of the city and state through which it flowed, the river was abused and ignored until it actually became a menace. A caring, but exasperated, public finally petitioned the federal government to clean the waterway -- much as the citizens of Ohio were to do when the Cuyahoga River actually caught on fire!

Today the Clark Fork, the Cuyahoga, and many hundreds of other American rivers run clear because after 200 years of mistaken trust in our localities and states to assure clean, safe water, the citizens finally demanded that their federal government aggressively assert itself as an environmental partner with our states and cities. The wonderful results of the federal response are everywhere.

The truth is, the West needs a strong federal government, perhaps more than any other region in the country. Oh, I know, that sounds almost un-American in a country which, at least for now, harbors a popular fetish to harangue anything federal. The current anti-federal mongering, particularly by the Far Right, is not only wrong-headed, it is dangerous. And it threatens to upset the balance -- what Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor refers to as "the elegant balance" -- between our state and federal governments.

That balance was purposefully hardwired into the United States Constitution by America's founders, who brilliantly recognized that the sharing of authority between state and federal governments would allow each to make its separate contribution to the building and sustaining of the country and its citizens. It is called Federalism and it works.

Consider just one element -- costs. For those of us living in the lightly populated West, the cost of essential public services are critical. The equitable absorption of cost through the federal treasury has saved many western states' bacon. Can 900,000 Montanans pay the cost of the many hundreds of miles of interstate highways and bridges which cross and link our state? Will the 500,000 in the citizens of Wyoming be financially responsible for the Pell Grants and federally guaranteed student loans that assist their 20,000 college-bound students?

If left to operate alone, our state governments, particularly here in the West, would be in the deepest of trouble. And, frankly, the duplication, confusion, disarray, regulations and -- yes -- fraud, waste, and abuse in state governments, taken collectively, makes the workings of Washington, D.C., look almost efficient by comparison. Those who doubt that should ask the nation's long distance, truckers or railroaders. They, and many other interstate businesses, will tell you that state, and often local, governments are their biggest regulatory nightmare.

State governments in the West cannot satisfy the basic safety, health care, transportation or even education requirements of their own people. Failing that, they can hardly find the vitality to be the vaunted "laboratories of change" we have heard so much about.

We also hear a lot about "devolution" -- the effort to further empower state governments with authority mostly now reserved for the federal government. The idea has some basis and reason for support. But as we move toward devolution, let's be clearheaded about the intent of our founders as well as the inherent weakness of states acting alone.

States and state's rightists have too often ignored the civil rights of their own citizens and, even more so, the rights of their citizens to live in relatively clean and safe environments.

Our founders somehow knew that our rights as individuals are best assured by not being beholden to only one government. Thus they built in the checks and balances inherent in the partnership of federal and state government. No people anywhere have benefited more from that federalism than have we westerners. As we consider this new movement toward more jurisdiction and authority to the states, we should do so with caution, wisdom and a good memory.

 
 
 
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thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
01:37 PM on 03/15/2010
Let'em go, ( Don't let the door hit ya in the b------) providing that the federally owned properties including all National Forests and Parks, Federal Irrigation projects, and Bureau of Land Management lands as well as interstate highways where title does not vest in the state, courthouses, and military bases are paid for even if the citizens of those states have to assume a debt so crippling they wil never crawl out from under.... ( of course if they default on their national bonds..... might be a little tougher to raise capital for things like patching the roads they use or the electric grid providng power from other states or or or or or Oh, but I fogot thse are GOVERNEMNT provided services "we don;t need no stinkin gummint!!! " I can sure live with having to get a passport visa to go to texas oklahoma louisiana mississippi alabama even to visit the numerous relatives I have in those states. Of Course a visa wold be required to visit this way too.... I do support a right of exit from those states to retain one' pre-existing US citizenship
05:08 PM on 03/14/2010
I'm feeling like we need a state's right to secede. I'm a Californian, and no longer want to be part of the same country as the southern states. Many of them have very active secession movements. I say, Let Them Go in Peace.
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RevJimIII
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12:33 AM on 03/14/2010
The ultimate authority is in the individual, the community, the State and then the Fed.. it is up to the citizens of the individual States to ensure their own viability, not the responsibility of the Fed who is supposed to be limited in power and reach. This article is nothing but a sales pitch for progressive ideals, he speaks of failure on local levels.. there is no such thing as 'too big to fail'.
01:48 PM on 03/13/2010
walter williams on rights:
True rights, such as those in our Constitution, or those considered to be natural or human rights, exist simultaneously among people. That means exercise of a right by one person does not diminish those held by another. In other words, my rights to speech or travel impose no obligations on another except those of non-interference. If we apply ideas behind rights to health care to my rights to speech or travel, my free speech rights would require government-imposed obligations on others to provide me with an auditorium, television studio or radio station. My right to travel freely would require government-imposed obligations on others to provide me with airfare and hotel accommodations.
For Congress to guarantee a right to health care, or any other good or service, whether a person can afford it or not, it must diminish someone else’s rights, namely their rights to their earnings. The reason is that Congress has no resources of its very own. Moreover, there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy giving them those resources. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces one to recognize that in order for government to give one American citizen a dollar, it must first, through intimidation, threats and coercion, confiscate that dollar from some other American. If one person has a right to something he did not earn, of necessity it requires that another person not have a right to something he did earn
01:47 PM on 03/13/2010
walter williams continued...:

To argue that people have a right that imposes obligations on another is an absurd concept. A better term for new-fangled rights to health care, decent housing and food is wishes. If we called them wishes, I would be in agreement with most other Americans for I, too, wish that everyone had adequate health care, decent housing and nutritious meals. However, if we called them human wishes, instead of human rights, there would be confusion and cognitive dissonance. The average American would cringe at the thought of government punishing one person because he refused to be pressed into making someone else’s wish come true.
None of my argument is to argue against charity. Reaching into one’s own pockets to assist his fellow man in need is praiseworthy and laudable. Reaching into someone else’s pockets to do so is despicable and deserves condemnation.
01:46 PM on 03/13/2010
the federal government exists because the states decided so, we are not the united federal country of north america, we united states, the only power left to the federal government is dictated in the constitution, let free individual and free states govern themselves within a general loose framework of federal limited power
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12:17 PM on 03/13/2010
smaller / less gov't is always a code word for less social spending. Perry walks a tightrope for condoning treasonous speech- he hasn't been reelected yet
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11:24 PM on 03/14/2010
"Smaller government", yes. "Local government", no. The latter just means that the people who are in the best position to determine how the money is spent, make the decisions, as opposed to people who are thousands of miles away.

State's rights, just implies local governance.
07:25 AM on 03/13/2010
The author has a very low opinion of the people in the West suggesting that they are incapable of solving their own problems which is absurd. I think progressives should rethink their worship of the federal government and instead consider change at the state level which would eliminate the need to negotiate with the reactionary south which now dominates the republican party. If the federal government cannot even pass a law giving everyone access to universal health care without being slaves of the insurance monopolies then what good is the federal government? Perhaps single-payer could be done on a state by state basis leaving the reactionary states alone and having a humane and efficient health care system in progressive states.
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Eric Mann
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11:06 AM on 03/13/2010
It not that they are incapable- its that when it comes to stuff like interstates, health care, etc... the sparsely populated states in the West just don't have the critical mass of people to support stuff like that. Its not for lack of quality, its for lack of quantity.
12:23 PM on 03/13/2010
"The author has a very low opinion of the people in the West suggesting that they are incapable of solving their own problems which is absurd."

"If the federal government cannot even pass a law giving everyone access to universal health care without being slaves of the insurance monopolies then what good is the federal government?"

"Perhaps single-payer could be done on a state by state basis leaving the reactionary states alone and having a humane and efficient health care system in progressive states."

I'm from the left and believe that you are SO right on the money.

People in the states would certainly be able to take care of their own infrastructure and health care if they were not funding multi-trillion dollar bailouts for financial institutions that the FEDERAL government was supposed to oversee

.... and if the people in the states were not paying trillions for an unecessary war based upon lies told by FEDERAL officials

....and if the Federal Government was not getting read to pass a permenant bailout to the health care industry at the expense of the people in the states.

Pennsylvania is trying to establish a single payer type system and I imagine the federal government will do what it can to stop them, for reasons indicated here:

The Democrats' Scam Becomes More Apparent, by Glen Greenwald:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/
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ThePeoplesKey
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06:57 AM on 03/13/2010
To my critics below on historical points. I'm not going to reread all of Constitutional history to validate my comments here. This is in fact a well written article with valid points. My objection is the author trying to tie the logic of it all to some messiah like vision of the authors of the COTUS. There's no historical evidence of any kind that I'm aware of that supports this claim. However, I stand by my statement that IS supported by historical fact that Constitutional debate had little to do with individual rights and much to do with CONTROL for enforcing taxation, providing for national defense, and MAKING MONEY as a direct result of seeking public office. Not to mention maintaining the status quo of the power of the wealthy over what Hamilton considered the potential "Tyranny of the People." Madison took the opposite view and worried more about the tyranny of the wealthy over the masses. That's where the Bill of Rights came from. As an aside, It's interesting to note that not long after ratification of the COTUS, Hamilton succeeded in enacting US tariffs in order to PROTECT US state manufacturers from overseas corporate competition. The abandonment of which has resulted in the destruction of the US economy we are currently witnessing. (Read global economy) The right has been fooled into thinking this CREATES jobs. It doesn't. Hang on to your hats, it's going to be a wild ride. But that's another issue . . .
02:22 AM on 03/13/2010
As a californian I'ld like a little federal moderation myself. The states are good laboratories in some ways but a functional federal authority is crucial to our nations well being.

But hey when a party had a VP candidate whose husband was a member of a seccesionist party and Governor Perry can hint at secession and win his primary you know our system has some challenges ahead.
09:08 PM on 03/12/2010
So what should be federal and what should be state? You list “basic safety, health care, transportation or even education requirements”. If by “basic safety” you mean national defense, okay. If you mean local fire and police, then no. By health care I am sure you mean insurance, but Mass. and Oregon have shown that each state is more than capable of building a system their residents want. Transportation is confusing. The east coast robber barons were paid with land in the “unpopulated” west to put railroads through so that we could rape the natural resources there and ship it east. Then we built the interstate highways, didn’t tax the raw material to use them (gas) and put the railroads out of business (except we subsidized them to stay in business). The biggest beneficiaries of the highway system has been the east coast cities that get their goods from China cheaper. I assume you mean higher education with “education” because No Child Left Behind has not helped local grade schools and high schools. Since the Federal government has no way to enforce national standards, they cause more problems than they provide solution. The Land Grant Universities out here is a great example of Federal / State coordination to provide a public good.

The thing to remember is that each state right removed reduces choice by 1 from 50.
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bd7769
I may not always be right, but I am never wrong.
09:03 PM on 03/12/2010
This is a fallacious argument by selective observation. You take the one example of a local problem that was solved by the clean water act and expand it to this conclusion “State governments in the West cannot satisfy the basic safety, health care, transportation or even education requirements of their own people.”
The call to protect states rights is clearly founded in the 10th amendment of the constitution.
Let me try one the other way,
The excessive spending by the Federal government in relationship to taxes is at its worst and the national debt is a monument to how the Federal Government has squandered the wealth of the American people. Therefore we must return the financial control of the nation back to the people.
I am sorry that one doesn’t fit as a fallacious argument, because it’s true.
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ThePeoplesKey
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06:27 PM on 03/12/2010
"Our founders somehow knew that our rights as individuals are best assured by not being beholden to only one government."

This is a nicely written article Pat. However, the framing of the Constitution took place mostly in secret so as to avoid the conflict of interests that inevitably arise in the debate of matters of such import. It had little to do with individual rights and much to do with CONTROL for enforcing taxation, providing for national defense, and making money. Making money, meaning that without the potential to profit by political means, potential elected officials wouldn't be interested in seeking public office. (Read "Wealthy Merchants and Land Holders") The Bill of Rights was an after thought adopted later and drafted mostly by Madison who, like Patric Henry, saw in the new Constitution only the all too familiar threats to the "rights and liberties of the people."

The point is, the framers "wisdom" was more about making money and maintaining order and power over the states. As far as I know, nothing was ever discussed about the central government supporting the states in anyway. In fact, it was the other way around.

You should do a little reading . . .
09:15 PM on 03/12/2010
You need to do some reading as well! Madison is considered the "father of the Constitution" It was Madison who helped broker the compromises that made the Constitution acceptable to the delegates. It was madison who encouraged washington to agree to attend a convention to discuss revising the Articles of Confederation which was proving to be unsatisfactory for our needs. The idea that the motives for the Constitution were about money and controll of the masses only date back to Charles Beard at the turn opf the 20th century. It is a old arguement but has some validity but not alot. The states were arguing and our foriegn debt was not being paid -especially to France. How long would it be before France collected? Washington was very worried that his eight years of war service was going to be for naught! We had to have a government that would pay its bills and protect the country.
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ThePeoplesKey
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06:22 AM on 03/13/2010
You must have gone to school in Texas. Hamilton wrote the majority of the federalist papers, Albeit the most convincing articles are attributed to Madison, Jay wrote the first 5 or so. Both Hamilton and Madison were from wealthy families. Irregardless, most of them were only seen in New York where they were published in the local newspapers. Other states tended to publish opinions from authors in their own states. As far as paying France goes; They were at war with England not long after the Constitution was ratified and at the same time facing the overthrow of their own government by their own people. The delay was caused by the US not knowing who they should side with. The people (New) or the government (Old) who they owed the money to. Part of the repayment was the US turning a blind eye to France reclaiming the Louisiana territory from Spain and their claims to certain Canadian territories. Thus Quebec and most of the rest England. Besides, I only get 240 words here on HP so an in depth discussion is impossible . . .
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11:12 PM on 03/14/2010
You should also note that all of the "rebuttals" of Charle's Beards "Economic Foundations" are superficial attacks on non-core parts of the book -- cherry-picking minor historical flaws that the central arguments of the book don't rest on.

The central thesis, that the vast majority of the founders were extremely wealthy, and designed a system of government to benefit (surprise!) the extremely wealthy, has never been discredited -- just avoided.
03:11 AM on 03/13/2010
the Constitution wasn't that secret.

hence, the Federalist Papers.
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11:18 PM on 03/14/2010
The Federalist papers were written for the PUBLIC to try to get them to vote in favor of ratification -- they were nothing more than a PR campaign. What was said at the meeting, which was absolutely secret (as in they all had to sign a secrecy agreement stating that they wouldn't mention anything that was being said there), was not released until 50 years later.

In the meeting, on the other hand, they were open about what they were doing -- preventing an "excess of democracy" and protecting the "opulent minority" from the whims of the majority.

When the minutes of the meeting contradict what was said in a political campaign ad (i.e., the Federalist Papers), I'd say we should go with the minutes for the planning meeting to understand their motives.
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05:35 PM on 03/12/2010
I'd recommend taking a look at the history of the framing of the constitution. Why did the wealthy men who gathered there in secret, without any mandate from the people of the United States, decide to structure the government in the manner that they did? Why did they desire a more centralized and stronger national government? Instead of flag-waving, and blindly accepting that "a strong national government is good because the Founding Fathers said so" -- perhaps people should look at what was happening historically that motivated the **wealthiest men in America** to gather together to write the Constitution ...

Two great books to look at are "The Case Against the Constitution" (Manley & Dolbeare, eds.) and "Towards an American Revolution: Exposing the Constitution & Other Illusions" by Jerry Fresia ...
05:29 PM on 03/12/2010
"State Rights" is nothing more than code words for racism.
11:26 AM on 03/13/2010
Maybe.

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