Colorized Guns: Painting Our Police Into A Corner

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Posted April 2, 2008 | 12:49 PM (EST)



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In the late 1970's, Saturday Night Live ran sketches called "Consumer Probe" or "On The Spot" featuring Dan Aykroyd as the sleazy Irwin Mainway, President of Mainway Toys, Mainway Novelties, or Mainway's Kiddie Funworld, usually being interviewed by consumer reporters played by Candace Bergen or Jane Curtin (as Joan Face).

Aykroyd played Mainway like a con-man, complete with pencil-thin mustache, slicked-back hair, pinky ring, and tacky polyester sport jacket, whose "toys" and "rides" were some of the worst ever marketed to children.

Examples from the Mainway Toys product line included the "Bag O' Glass" for $1.98 -- which was just a plastic bag filled with pieces of broken glass. (Other products in this category were the "Bag O' Nails," "Bag O' Bugs," "Bag O' Vipers," and the "Bag O' Sulfuric Acid.") Then there was "Johnny Human Torch," a package of oily rags and a lighter, where the child was supposed to pin the rags on his body ("like a hobo," Mainway said) and light himself on fire.

The Mainway Latex Corporation featured the Halloween costume called "Invisible Pedestrian," a sack of black clothes meant cover the kid's body from head-to-toe, which made him completely invisible to oncoming traffic when out trick-or-treating.

Then, there was the "Johnny Combat Action Costume":

Joan Face: Alright, Mr. Mainway. But surely even you can see the danger in this next costume, which you call Johnny Combat Action Costume. This is an actual working rifle!


Irwin Mainway: An M-1, yeah.

Joan Face: I mean, this is a deadly weapon, and you're selling it to children!

Irwin Mainway: The ammo's not included. I mean, this is a very popular item, you know? Give the kid a little something extra! Field glasses, a little helmet there, the gun, you know, it makes 'em feel like a real general! I mean, this product is very popular in Texas and Detroit!

These skits (you can find some of the transcripts here, here, and here) were funny precisely because they were so outrageous and unbelievable.

But now, in a case of life imitating "art," we read about a company in Wisconsin promoting "a rainbow of candy-colored paints" -- including bright pink, green, even something called "Barney Purple" -- to make guns look like toys. The company will even send you a kit to paint your own guns. Another report says a different Wisconsin gun dealer charged $200 to paint an AK-47 "Pepto-Bismol pink," and put the cartoon character "Hello Kitty" on the stock.

These stories are not jokes like those old Dan Aykroyd skits.

As New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has said,

Making a quick buck by coloring a handgun to look like a toy is craven and beneath any honest businessman. By coloring these guns, a real one looks like a toy, and a police officer won't be able to tell the difference.

This is not an idle fear. There was another story recently about police officers being forced to distinguish between fake guns that look real -- in that case air guns made to look like actual firearms. Here, with weapons painted in cartoon colors, we have real guns that look fake.


No one benefits -- except maybe some "Mainway"-like businesses -- when we make our police officers work even harder to distinguish real guns from toy guns.

Painting a gun "Barney Purple" is something only Irwin Mainway could be proud of.

This entry, along with past entries, has been co-posted on bradycampaign.org/blog and the Huffington Post.


 
 

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In my experience, these custom-painted firearms are being used by competetive shooters, not by average folks for home defense. I think the chances of a child getting her hands on a Hello Kitty AR15 and hurting herself, or a gangsta painting My Pretty Pony on his AK to fool the cops is slimmer than the chances of a child choking on a Whopper Jr. or a cop slipping in the bathroom and cracking his head on the commode.

Lets be realistic with our fears, shall we?

And for the record, many gun nuts believe painting a Hello Kitty on an AR is blasphemous. To the rifle, not the cartoon.

And for the record, someday my son will get to shoot my M1.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/04/2008

I was in the military, and I have friends in law-enforcement (actual street cops, not politically-correct higher-ups or appointees). Soldiers and cops treat all gun-shaped objects, real or fake, as real. And contrary to anti-gun wild imagination, we don't shoot first before asking questions unless we get shot at.

In the hands of anyone we may approach, bright and highly visible gun-shaped objects are definitely preferable to less-visible gun-shaped objects. It actually reduces the chance of tragedy, since it reduces the chance of surprise and increases the potential for adequate reaction-time.

Anti-gun folks who think we might be lulled into laziness by a real gun that looks like a toy are simply ignorant of military and police training and discipline. But then again, ignorance isn't exactly a quality they seem to be short on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/04/2008

Having (real) guns painted with "Hello Kitty" or in Barney (the dinosaur?) purple is beyond weird, really. It is disturbing, & I don't see anything particuarly cute ~ or innocent, for that matter ~ about having such dangerous weapons painted in order to appear more innocuous.

And BTW, poster tadees: I'm not here to post for your (or any other gun nut's) fancy or approval. Just so we're clear on that point. Enjoy your weekend.

K

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 04/04/2008

Oh Kelli so mean..... Keep this attitude up we won't make you Queen of the spring festival!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/04/2008

I take Paul's ranting about the color of guns as great sign that gun-control advocates are nearly at the end of their rope. I guess you'll grasp at anything when you feel vastly ignored, marginalized, and irrelevant.

Ahhh . . . this post by Paul smells like victory!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/04/2008

There seems to be a notable absence of the regular "Mr. Hemlke can do no wrong" followers weighing in on this particular topic. I see no Kelli (danced), edut (whatever), Reason (something) posts stating that this is a viable issue even worth addressing. Interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/03/2008

Please, Paul, Please.....for the sake of "The Children(tm)."

http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/drug-poisoning-deaths-on-the-rise/20080403073409990001

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/03/2008

If someone robs a bank with a real Hello-Kitty painted AR-15 or a toy replica AR-15 and gets shot by police in the process, the bank robber deserves to be shot in BOTH instances.

If Johnny Gangbanger flashes a fake gun or a real barney purple gun on 3rd and Crack St, and gets shot by police or a law-abiding citizen, Johnny Gangbanger deserves to get shot, in BOTH instances.

If a cop stumbles upon a group of kids playing cops and robbers in a residential neighborhood and shoots up a few kids because he/she was unsure whether or not the kids were playing with real or fake guns, the cop deserves to lose his/her job and face consequences because of a poor decision.

If an 8 year old finds a loaded and unsecured Lime Green SKS is daddy"s closet, and shoots him/herself accidentally, then daddy deserves to face consequences for having an unsecured firearm around a child, and for not properly teaching the child the potential dangers of firearms.

If a child saws their fingers off with a black and red Craftsman jig saw or a florescent yellow Dewalt jig saw, is it the color"s fault or the fault of someone who did not properly teach their kid to treat EVERY saw as if it were real???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 04/03/2008

So gun coatings in colors is the latest Brady bogeyman? This is a good time to reflect upon a previous Brady bogeyman: Gun coatings that provide "excellent resistance to fingerprints." For years, the Brady group has railed against that in their propaganda. Yet mysteriously, they have not lobbied for a law banning gun coatings that provide "excellent resistance to fingerprints," nor has any Brady-friendly jurisdiction (NYC, NJ) passed such a ban.

And the "problem" has not gone away -- here is one of the companies offering gun coatings that provide "excellent resistance to fingerprints": http://www.robarguns.com/additional_finishes.htm

Before moving on to the colored gun coatings bogeyman, Paul Helmke or other Brady supporter should first explain: Why isn't the Brady group lobbying to ban gun coatings that provide "excellent resistance to fingerprints"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/03/2008

"Before moving on to the colored gun coatings bogeyman, Paul Helmke or other Brady supporter should first explain: Why isn't the Brady group lobbying to ban gun coatings that provide "excellent resistance to fingerprints"?"

Because in taking that position, there is no way the BC can work in the phrase "The Children(tm)."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 04/03/2008

I think people are missing the broader picture here. We are talking about PAINT. It is aesthetic. It is no different than those "god awful" grenade launchers, bayo lugs, pistol grips, bird cage flash suppressors, etc....

What is the difference between OD Green and Barney purple? What is the difference between a regular blued handgun and a Lime Green one? The difference is PARENTING and EDUCATION.

If kids today were properly parented, this would be a non-issue (as would violence as a whole). If kids today learned proper morals in the home instead of on the streets from their thug friends, they would know a firearm of ANY KIND or COLOR is not a toy. If people like Paul Helmke, Bryan Miller, and Josh Sugarmann devoted as much time and resources into firearm safety and education as they do supporting frivilous and ineffective anti-gun legislation, maybe more of "The Children(tm)" would become aware of the dangers and benefits of legal and proper firearm ownership.

Is this what we want our society to become? A nanny society? Where people pass off society's problems on colors and objects instead of holding parents and individuals accountable for their actions? Where we personify inanimate objects instead of asking why our judicial system contributes to our recidivism problem? Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 04/03/2008

The Toys of War
The Militarization of America

By Col. DAN SMITH

http://www.counterpunch.org/smith04022008.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 04/03/2008

Interesting piece, but it lost interest and credibility after I read the "click here to donate now" slogan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 04/03/2008

I am now a fan of Paul, since I didn't know he started a new blog already. That was fast Paul.

As has been pointed out, Duracote and Gunkote have been around for years. I am not aware of any miscreants using them to try to fool the police. Any Joyce Foundation stats on that, Paul? These are both good products. I had an old Ruger Mark II done in silver and flat black (Gunkote). But a criminal wouldn't go to the expense, when they can just buy a can of Krylon and paint their gun purple. Then there is the fact that it would just draw more attention to the weapon. That's why the Army isn't "painting" their guns pink, or purple, or magenta. They do seem to be fond of OD Green, though.

While I may personally find pink guns sort of revolting, I don't have any problem with someone else exhibiting poor taste in their choice of gun decoration.

So, this is just a big, fat "What if" argument, isn't it? I have another for you. What if this outfit had not put Bloomberg's egotistical face on their guns? Would we be hearing a peep out of him, or Paul about this? Nah.

The crickets have escaped from the hat!!!!!! Run away!!!!!!!!! Run away!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 04/03/2008

Now you know good and well Mike that statistics just gets in the way of a good argument! Who has time for that? (Not to mention, truthfully, it would make some bloggers/activists unemployed rather quickly!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 04/03/2008

Paint? You want to regulate paint? Seriously, Paul? Do I even need to go into this or are you seriously suggesting legislating painting of personal property?

This is as dumb to me as legislation regarding orange tips. If manufacturers want to do it, fine, that's there prerogative and I would agree with them. Law enforcement should, and usually do, respond the same way regardless until THEY confirm the item is a firearm or toy, regardless of color.

You can't legislate common sense, Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 04/03/2008

"When Barney Purple colored Hello Kitty stocked guns are outlawed only outlaws will have Barney Purple colered Hello Kitty stocked guns"

Um... I really can't get to worked up about losing this one.
Sorry guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 04/03/2008

It is kind of hard to get worked up over this.........................."This sketch is silly".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 04/03/2008

Hmmm....I seem to have several lost posts. Maybe they're being posted out of order. I can hope.

I haven't seen the gun arguments on this column that I see on most of Helmke's columns. I guess most are neither strongly for or against this issue. I'd rather argue a more important gun issue but this is all Arianna gave us today. I just had too much time on my hands this evening. . I'm against the whole toy gun looking paint schemes but this is so far down the list of anti gun issues facing us that it's not a big deal with me. I do like to argue though. I hope these gaudy toy looking guns are a fad that never catches on but if it doesn't we'll have bigger issues after this upcoming election.
Some of you longtime pro gun commentors partially convinced me about the colored guns. This especially true of Berettasskeeters Marine themed skeetgun. I'm still against the toy theme but I guess that's all in the eye of the beholder.
I would like to welcome Tadees to the pro gun community. From the very bottom of his profile it appears he was undecided on the gun issue last month. Glad to have you on our side now rookie. Keep up on the legal stuff. Our society really is not going to collapse if we don't have firearms that look like the squirt gun aisle at Wal Mart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 04/03/2008

thanks...from the rookie (I guess). Kind of a backhanded compliment but I'll take em where I can get em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 04/03/2008

Two things. First, technical: the posts aren't disappearing. They are being stored, and have posted when and where you expected them to in the majority of cases, but the what you see is simply a "snapshot" of what's on HuffPo's server. That's why sometimes refreshing or hitting the little "New Comments on this entry 1 - Click to refresh" icon makes some posts vanish. They're not gone; the server just hasn't taken a more recent snapshot to post that includes those posts.

Second, and I want to really get into this one. Do you think it's alright to legislate common sense? You see, that works under the premise that the paint scheme of an object ought to change how we react to it. Cops aren't going to treat them any differently until they verify whether or not the gun is real, regardless of the color. This doesn't change their job at all, nor does it cause any problems for the community. Even if you don't care about an issue, care enough to see the implications set forth by potential legislation of a paint job at best or common sense at worst.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 04/03/2008

Two things. First, this is not my first column I've posted comments on. I've mastered the Click To Refresh function long ago. If I write a comment and it NEVER gets posted then I consider it LOST. This is not an unusual event since I post comments on many topics and others comment on the same problem of lost comments. I've even seen comments show up in my profile yet never make it to the column. Ever.
Second. If you read my comments I never talked about police officers and the colored gun issue. My entire point was about making our guns look more like toys and the public perception of such a practice. Every gun owner ends up one day running into the idiot gun owner with no knowledge, unsafe actions and the loudly proclaimed theory that, "I'd shoot a guy on the front porch and then drag him inside." It's an embarrassment. These toy colored guns are that loud, unknowledgable, idiotic gun owner. It's an embarrassing cause. I'd rather fight something like SB 541 in which they are trying to encode and register ammunition. This colorized gun issue isn't even a cause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/04/2008

Just because I have an opinion on most everything...if I may add to your post sneaky. Can you legislate common sense? And, can you legislate morality? (A bit off topic I suppose, but I've been arguing this for years!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 04/03/2008

"I wonder what you will say to Jesus at the end of your life when he reveals to you that your worship of guns denies you Heaven?"

Exodus 22:2: "If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him"

Since there's no need for me to copy the rest of the research (or the relevant Scripture), if you so feel inclined, read a through explanation here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25442

If you can somehow read that and summarize the Bible does NOT defend personal protection and self-preservation (dare I use an X-term, by "any means necessary"), then you must reread it without your Brady blinders on. Nice try though.

I am confident in my position before The Throne. But thanks for asking. (or accusing really, but that one's on you, I guess.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/03/2008

Also, in the gospel of Luke, Jesus told his disciples, "He, who does not have a sword, should sell his cloak and buy one." So, it woud seem that Jesus advocated self-defene. Being open to changing times, it would seem reasonable to assume, today, Jesus would tell people, if they do not own a gun, they should buy one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 04/04/2008

Hey cops should take up knitting if they don't like it. I think it makes their job more interesting. Its about time they brought some fashion into the gun business. Most people are so conservative when it comes to gun colors--Yech. If I was a cop I would welcome pink guns because they are so easy to spot. You need to chin up and see the brighter side of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 04/03/2008

I'm a retired Marine. I shoot skeet, sporting clays, and trap, competitively. I had one of my competition guns (stock and forearm) painted in Marine Corps colors with the EGA on the butt. I like it, my fellow shooters like it. It cost $500. Yeah, expensive. It's motorcycle paint and clearcoat! It's my money, my gun, and my time. If I want one in hot pink, I'll get it (trust me, I don't want that!).
As usual with the anti-gunners, its not about color. Its about guns. Don't be fooled and don't give an inch!
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 04/02/2008

(from A Few Good Men):

USN: Have I done something to offend you?
USMC: No, I like all you Navy boys. Every time we've gotta go someplace and fight, you fellas always give us a ride.

/respectfully

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 04/02/2008

Thanks. My son goes to boat-driver's school next Tuesday (Great Lakes). He'll be in good company, as my Father and one Uncle both served in WWII (Father-PBY's; Uncle-destroyers).
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 04/03/2008


Back in the mid to late 60's I was very active in indoor 50' smallbore target shooting. I started this in 7th grade through senior year. We had a good group of competitors at Rosedale Gun Club outside of Pittsburgh. We even had a girls team that won the NRA National Championship Girls Team Division. These girls were girls, not wannabe guys.
Several years ago I visited UltraLight Arms in Granville WV to pick up one of my UltraLights and noticed a set of firearms on the wall ready for shipment. I recall some rather colorful stocks on what I PRESUME were ULA products. A few were heavy barreled target rifles.
If a woman wants to purchase a target arm with a metal flake electric blue or candy apple red composite stock - why not? The damn things are projectile launching devices. A lot of women - and some guys for that matter relate to a firearm as a sporting implement that can be any color they like, maybe with decals for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 04/02/2008

I know a lot of the competitive shooters do have guns with highly visible color schemes. Of courtse, some of the women shooters do have guns with brightly painted stocks and barrels. However, the trend does extend to male competitors. Many of the shooters have stainless steel firearms, some if the stocks are black (as a contrast). However, some of the competitive shooters do have blue, purple, red, pink, green, or orange stocks.

Now, lets consider the hunters. A common color scheme for a hunting firearm is camouflage. Why? To break up the outline of the firearm, to allow the hunter to get closer to the game. That is the same reason hunters will wear camouflage clothing and even use camouflage paint on their faces. That is especially true for waterfowl hunting and turkey hunting. Big game hunting, the hunters may use red or orange colored camouflage patterned clothing.

I do not believe bright colored guns will give the criminals any advantages, because they will be more visible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 04/02/2008


As for decals, I am thinking of WWII aircraft nose art. I would not hesitate to apply a decal of Sylvester T. Pussycat on my shorty AR-15 carbine. My cat, Stinky Pete is a dead ringer for that character, all 19.5 pounds of him.
Notice any fun decals on those colorful firearms?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 04/02/2008

You'd best check with Mr. Helmke, the BC, and apparently, 1will, to be those colors are within spec..else...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 04/02/2008

Girls with guns? Got any pictures? Purely in the interest of history, of course, I might not mind... : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 04/02/2008



Anti gunners have The Brady Campaign, Hollywood, lefty billionaires, long term politicians, and the media on their side parrotting ever Junk Science report and made up statistic they can find.
Swaying non shooters and the uniformed to our side is hard enough without making our firearms look like toys. I've had many parents ask if I have guns in the house before they let their daughter come over to play with mine. Parents worry about their children more than anything else in the world and what do you think a young mother thinks when she sees one of us with an AR 15 covered in cartoon characters or in "Barney Purple?" You've just lost all chances of bringing her over to our side. How about when some idiot leaves a bright yellow .45 out with Care Bears on the grips? Won't that look good on the evening news when some kid finds it.
Yes, all of this is legal.
It is also irresponsible and makes us look bad. What's the next step, Polly Pocket Carrying Cases built into the stock or attached to a Picatinny Rail?
The pro gun side has nothing but our honesty, the facts and the way we conduct ourselves when persuading others. This company (Lauer Custom Weaponry) makes us all look bad with these products. There is a big difference between coloring a gun in camo or olive and making it look like a child's plaything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 04/02/2008

I'll be the first to say I don't get the appeal of this stuff, but I'm not going to condemn people who want a brightly colored rifle (what would you think of some in my post here (