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U.S. House Acts Like City Council To Pass Dangerous Gun Lobby Bill


America is coping with the worst financial crisis in a century according to Alan Greenspan, is rebuilding from two destructive hurricanes, and is waging two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet Congress found nearly four hours of floor time in the last two days to re-write a local gun ordinance.

Yesterday's vote in the U.S. House of Representatives - to second-guess Washington, D.C.'s efforts to re-write its gun laws in response to this summer's Supreme Court decision on the Second Amendment - was a charade. That's the only way to describe it.

At the behest of the National Rifle Association, Members of Congress from Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas - and my home state of Indiana - took it on themselves to tell local officials what they can and cannot do, over and above what is required by the Constitution, in writing its gun laws.

It's hard to know whether the District of Columbia should be flattered or offended.

Either way, not only the District's gun laws, but also the Supreme Court's opinion on what is "presumptively lawful," apparently aren't extreme enough for the NRA.

Rep. Travis Childers (MS) was lead sponsor of the bill. I wonder how cities in his district - Corinth, Columbus, Tupelo - would feel about Congress taking time off from national issues to re-write their local ordinances?

This bill teaches some fundamental lessons. The NRA either intentionally misled the American people, or was just grossly incompetent, about its efforts to re-write D.C.'s gun laws. They in turn showed why the gun lobby shouldn't be allowed to write laws for any city - especially our nation's capital with its unique security needs.

Early drafts of the NRA bill would have permitted people to carry assault weapons openly on the streets of Washington, D.C. By stripping D.C. of its regulations, the District would have had no legal protection left against this eventuality. NRA lobbyists denied this fact even when they were confronted with the language of their own bill.

When legal analyses from the Brady Center and separately from the House Oversight Committee staff made it clear that the NRA was wrong, the NRA mocked the lawyers involved by saying their degrees must have come from Disney World.

Only just before the bill was introduced on the House floor did the NRA fix their "mistake" and amend the legislation to prohibit open-carrying of assault weapons. This shameless effort should have been the final nail in the coffin of whatever credibility the gun lobby had left.

Here are the simple facts: Any Member of Congress truly concerned with D.C.'s compliance with the Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller could have voted for a perfectly suitable option introduced by Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman (CA) and Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.).

The Norton/Waxman alternative would have required the District to follow Justice Scalia's opinion in the Heller decision, which is exactly what the D.C. City Council had been working on since the end of June and finally finished Tuesday morning.

In fact, the D.C. Council passed a new gun ordinance that fully complies with all the issues raised in the Heller decision the same morning that Congress was debating whether to take the power to pass such an ordinance away from them.

Regrettably, the bill that passed the House yesterday went far beyond the Norton/Waxman bill - and far beyond what the Heller decision itself requires. Instead the House adopted the gun lobby agenda that nothing should ever be done to "discourage" gun ownership and possession.

I am hopeful that the Senate will keep this dangerous bill from moving any further.

(Note to readers: This entry, along with past entries, has been co-posted on bradycampaign.org/blog and the Huffington Post.)

America is coping with the worst financial crisis in a century according to Alan Greenspan, is rebuilding from two destructive hurricanes, and is waging two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet Congress...
America is coping with the worst financial crisis in a century according to Alan Greenspan, is rebuilding from two destructive hurricanes, and is waging two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet Congress...
 
 
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08:43 AM on 09/26/2008
i didn't mean to confuse anyone with my "platform" post..i was speaking more figuratively than literally..but i cannot believe that shedances missed the point that criminals often target the weak and defenseless..the grandmother figure..and the strong have a duty to protect them..and as far as knives go..i doubt seriously that ancient man invented the knife first as an eating utensil and not a "weapon" with which to kill his dinner..as has been said before..we all have certain rights..life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..and we have always had the right to defend against anything that would interfere with those rights long before we had a spoken or written language..and please shedances do not try and convince me that ancient man did not eat his fellow man if food became scarce..
11:13 AM on 10/13/2008
To solve urban inner city gun violence we should set a reasonable timetable for withdrawal and then get out. Let the local inhabitants settle their disputes any way they want to. Let's withdraw from inner cities NOW!
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11:26 PM on 09/25/2008
I keep re-reading this, and I have yet to find any particulars or any justification for the word "danger.ous" in the title....Has anyone else found it?
01:25 AM on 09/26/2008
Nothing except a bunch of tall tales and fish (or should I say leviathan) tales.
03:13 PM on 09/25/2008
why not make drugs free? grow all you want..use any type of drug you want..leave the laws in place concerning the work place and driving while stoned or high..increase the penalties for people who commit crimes while on drugs and anyone caught selling "free" drugs or trying to make a profit in any way has all of their property confiscated and sold to benefit victims of crime..no jail time..just make them homeless..what proof is there that everyone or even a majority of citizens would become addicts if this were to happen..no one is going to prevent you from spending as much money and effort as you wish in your pursuit of agricultural efforts but you cannot recoup your losses..i know people often misquote about money being the root of all evil but if you remove the money you remove the crime....
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11:40 AM on 09/25/2008
"you cannot torture people in this country ... not even criminals. Putting people in tents in Death Valley with inadequate food, water, medical care, etc. & denying them rights that other prisoners have, amounts to torture".

You never listen, and no that's not torture. Your sympathy is misdirected.

No one said anything about inadequate medical care or water. There's no reason why they can't be properly fed. They don't even have to be in Death Valley either. There is plenty of space in this country, so don't talk to us about overcrowding.

Did you even read the account of the LEO who was murdered in Philly a few days ago, and another officer shot? The wretch who shot them was released from prison a month ago, after early release from a sentence that was too short to begin with.

He served 10 years of a 12 year sentence (which wasn't long enough as it is) for a carjacking, during which he committed "gunviolence", having shot his victim in the legs. He was being pursued by Philly police, because they had a warrant for his arrest, after assaulting 4 officers shortly after his premature release.

He had been thrown out of two prisons already for 27 infractions. If his incarceration had been continued, Officer McDonald would still be alive, and so would the poor, put-upon parolee. THAT is prevention Kelli. Stop whining about the rights of miscreants, while trying to deny people the right to protect themselves from scum like this.
05:25 AM on 09/25/2008
i too post as an individual..take my last post..i gather from the threads here that some of my fellow posters are well versed in history, law, and firearms..same scenario..my fellow posters and i are on the same platform together..everything being equal we are all armed..not just armed but we can openly carry our arms..the fact that we can carry openly means we passed some sort of background check and went to a range for a two day course to receive certification that we are well versed in the use of said arms..now with five of us or ten or fifteen standing around..strangers waiting on a train..what idiot would attempt to rape or rob or murder the grandmotherly type waiting by herself? make no mistake..my fellow proRKBA and i can have very heated discussions on what gun is best for what..but we do not disagree on the right to have them for whatever purpose..i prefer single shots and single actions..if i carry a handgun it is a ruger super blackhawk..if my brother carries a gun it is a .45 semi-auto..i do not understand your fear/hatred of guns..as another poster said..blaming guns for violence is like blaming the pharmacy for drug addiction
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08:21 AM on 09/25/2008
"everything being equal we are all armed.."

Correct.

"the fact that we can carry openly "

I wish that was a fact. Unfortunately, some of us live in NJ, home of Kelli's favorite gun laws.

NJ is a 'may issue' (carry permit) state, as in "may issue if Hell freezes over, or if you are the Governor's brother-in-law".We can't even carry pepper spray here.

But I don't care what anyone says, I won't go to Philly unheeled.
09:10 AM on 09/25/2008
I certainly hear & agree that you all are 'on the same platform' as far as advocating guns go, twogunmojo. I don't recall suggesting any differently ... do you? Also, just to clarify ~ I've never talked about 'murdering grandmothers,' etc. or care what guns your brother prefers to carry as a form of weaponry/defense, etc. Your post sounds a lot like "yada, yada, yada" to me (someone venting w/out adding much to the topic). Fair comment & criticism. Gotta get going now. Enjoy the rest of your day with your 'same platform' pro-gun buddies!
07:27 AM on 09/24/2008
did anyone catch the last full paragraph of this blog? why does mr. helmke and the other anti-gun people think americans should be discouraged from exercising an existing right? should they be discouraged from using their first amendment rights? or their fourth? or their fifth? and since shedances has stated that one reason she comes here is to learn should we tell her about billy dixon? i would consider having one gun for the rest of my life is if could carry it anywhere...don't you think a sharps "quigley edition" in 45-110 would look at home in your local outback or wendys restaurant...or cradled in your arms while waiting for the train?
10:29 AM on 09/24/2008
Twogunmojo ~ read Paul's blog again.

Mr. Helmke's current blog, as I see it, relates to policy-making on guns/firearms; and focusing on the antecedents to gun-related activities that lead to violence & crime problems there. I would imagine they are as concerned about youth & gun possession/gun carrying/assault with guns, etc. as the rest of us are. In my personal view, Paul & the BC have never sounded overly concerned with such 'recreational' uses of guns like hunting or sports; but instead, focus their attentions on violence deterrence... which is one of the crucial ways to reduce gun-related violence (as you should know by now). And, on a sidenote: As far as collecting of antique firearms goes ... I'm fairly certain they don't lose much sleep over that activity (LOL).

*I won't be able to check back & resubmit this, if it's lost or deleted; so will just expect it will be fine for posting.
11:18 AM on 09/24/2008
"focus their attentions on violence deterrence"

Oh, do you mean like the convicted felon with a gun and a flak jacket(in his car) trying to breach the Secret Service security perimeter outside Obama's Chicago home?

Don't worry though, he strongly supports Obama, just like you.
12:46 PM on 09/24/2008
Kelli--mojo has got it correct and you are wrong. As far as violence prevention goes--I have noticed that nice long prison terms work well--if the felons don't like the conditions-- tough.
12:48 AM on 09/24/2008
Kell--I was wondering when you would have the courage to explain why the only firearms I should be allowd to own are single shot rifles--and knowing you, only a SINGLE rifle.You also have yet to counter benEzra's accurate exposition of the Miller decision--my old battle rifles and military handguns have amply proven their military utility since the M1917 rifle was the dominant American rifle in WWI, the SMLE serve the British Empire starting in the 1890's and variants served through Vietnam, the Garand served in WWII and Korea, the 45's have served since 1911 and my Taurus is almost identical to the Beretta that has served with out military since 1986 (only real differences are the location of the safety and the fact that mine is a 40)
09:53 AM on 09/24/2008
When the 2 or 3 gunrights posters here asked me that question yesterday, I answered with some hesitancy ... knowing full well, you wouldn't like (or agree with, for that matter) my answer. I didn't, however, expect you to become angry ... that seems an over-reaction. But, what I hoped you would see was my earlier point, that I post here as 1 independent individual person ... not as part of an organization or even as part of a group that many of you term 'antis'. There is a wide range of opinions on 'gun issues' in this country ~ even among those who favor regulation. That should come as no surprise ... just look at the differences between my views & those of Edutilos.
12:51 PM on 09/24/2008
Kelli--I am absolutely opposed to you or anyone else trying to violate someoneelse's constitutional rights--what irritates me is you wrap deliberate ignorance in holier than thou superiority
03:52 PM on 09/24/2008
The fact that you are here because Helmke called you specifically and asked you to contribute on his blog is no longer a matter of debate.

Yes you are 1 individual person, but show me one thing that you and Paul disagree on. This shouldn't be difficult since you have stated that you are much further to the left than he on gun control.

Last thing; you do have to admit that on this blog, you are the face of the Brady Campaign since Helmke or any other BC employee refuses to participate in the discussion. This is by design, Paul knows what he's doing. The more we debate you and your views/feelings, the less time we spend shreading HIS talking points.

In short, he's using you as a shield.

Shorter still, he's using you.
09:00 PM on 09/23/2008
I find it rather amusing that Shedances continues to argue or debate those here who strongly believe in the enire body of the Constitution, who are extremely knowledgeable in regards to American history and firearms. She has shown to be completely ingnorant and bias on this subject though actual proof has been given otherwise. IMO opinion, you can have an opinion on a subject but when they are shown to be false, it would be more credible to aknowledge it. For example, continuing to use the term "assault weapon" for every semi-automatic firearm when clearly it has been shown that the term was hijacked by the left as a scare tactic.
10:37 AM on 09/24/2008
What is your argument here, tencfan? My posts that you write above as being "completely ignorant and bias on this subject" are concerned with PREVENTION ... in other words, I don't believe that anyone can effectively reduce the risk of gun-related violence by introducing more gun-related violence. If 'prevention' isn't your concern, then fine. But it is mine. That should, hopefully, clear up any misunderstanding.
11:44 AM on 09/24/2008
Your definition of "prevention" however is to punish the people who AREN'T causing crimes in lieu of those who are.
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11:54 AM on 09/24/2008
No one is trying to introduce more gun related violence. We are trying to make certain that people have the ability to protect themselves in the face of violence, or potential violence, that is already being, or may be perpetrated against them.

You, and the BC, and the VPC, etc., seem to be under the mistaken impression that private gun ownership automatically turns law abiding people into murderers.

One more thing, re: your earlier post, in which you said you wouldn't want any of us to come to YOUR aid with a gun. I read a similar post from someone here on Huffpo, shortly after the VTech massacre. He went even further, and stated that he would rather die than have anyone other than a "uniformed LEO" come to his aid with a firearm.

I'll tell you what I told him. It's easy to say something like that from the comfort of your home (that is if you think being a willing victim/martyr makes you sound noble). If your life were really being threatened, you'd be praying to God for someone to come along and rescue you, even a private gun-owner. And if you were lucky enough to have your prayer answered, you'd be eternally grateful for the help.

Let's try to keep it real.
03:21 PM on 09/23/2008
for she dances: given the fact that so many people where killed at bull run with black powder guns that where adopted by the military but not specifically designed for them do you support their ban also? my colt 1851 navy loads mighty slow but given the fact it has a long barrel and requires concentration to use....it is a more deadly firearm than a great many modern day firearems...i think all the proRKBA would love to hear your views on these guns....especially since they can be purchased through the mail with little or no identification and no background check whatsoever....thanks for your honest response
03:26 PM on 09/23/2008
I already talked about my views on 'antiques' & collectibles. Scroll down.
03:31 PM on 09/23/2008
So you're fine w/ functional firearms that are actually MORE deadly than modern ones as long as they're 'antiques'.

Gotcha.
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03:37 PM on 09/23/2008
Scroll down to where? There are 560 posts here.
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03:34 PM on 09/23/2008
Oh twogun, don't get her started on our beloved percussion revolvers. I don't think the BC even knows about them.

Kelli will tell you that the BC is not interested in antique weapons. Of course, she just got through telling us how she's so fond of NJ gun laws, and in NJ, you are required to have handgun permits for BP guns too (if they know you have them. I ain't tellin'). You need handgun permits for air pistols too. It's the same permit you would need for a .44 mag., or Heaven forbid, the ever scary Glock.

The BC (that famous non gun banning organization) is also backing a bill in NJ that will outlaw .50 caliber inline muzzleloaders.

Speaking of '51 Navies, she does have an interesting story for you about Wild Bill.
03:50 PM on 09/23/2008
That's not true. And it's very unfair to the BC to lump my views in with their's. They make their views very clear, without any help from me or you gunrights posters.

And BTW, speaking of antique firearms ... I find it interesting that when I talked about a WW2 gun being "antique," that the gunrights posters pounced on that as wrong (not old enough, your friend "Matt" said); but, when one of you (in this case, djkrslsn) talks about his 1950s gun being a newer "antique," you nod in agreement over his use of the term antique.

Why don't you gun-rights folks explain exactly what an "antique firearms" is ... since you're all such experts here. I'm all ears!
11:12 AM on 09/23/2008
This may be a holiday for some of you ~ but it isn't for me. I cannot devote hours to blogging on gun issues; and frankly, I would be a less positive person if I were to constantly read the negative posts put forth by the gunrights advocates. I am, however, very interested in hearing the Brady Campaign's/Paul Helmke's specific view of the "assault weapons" debate, and I hope he'll devote a future blog on it for those of us wishing to know more. Also, I get tired of a few of the posters here trying to attach my views on guns & tight regulation to others, like the BC or the VPC, etc.. It's unfair to the Brady Campaign which authors this particular blog ~ esp. because I acknowledge leaning futher to the political left on this issue (& am fine with where I stand). However, that said ... I respect & acknowledge this organization's many excellent recommendations on combating gun violence problems ~ as well as those from others in this country like politicians Sen. Feinstein & Sen. Schumer (both of whom I admire).

I've made my concerns about the NRA & its actions regarding DC well known here; and do not need to repost this. That's it for me on this issue. Looking forward to Paul Helmke's next topic. Happy "Yom Kippur" readers & lurkers.
09:34 AM on 09/24/2008
Readers ~ a 'holiday' gaffe on my part yesterday ... you'll have to apply my "Yom Kippur" (and also "Rosh Hashana," which comes soon) well wishes for a future date! It wasn't on my online calendar; & when I asked why so many kids were out of school yesterday here, I was told it was probably one of the religious holidays like the former. I figured I must've overlooked it; it's been busy month. But after having time to check into it online, I realized it's coming at the start of October. So ... save those well wishes for that later date! Gotta run. Still a little behind from the weekend!
10:29 AM on 09/24/2008
How this has anything to do with this thread or this blog escapes me.

In other news, I gave my kitty-cat some kippur snacks last night and she went yom yom yom.
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09:23 AM on 09/23/2008
Keli wrote: "There was nothing wrong with the quote I had SPACE and time to include on the GOA."

Yes there is! You left out several critical portions of the reference from GOA in a pathetic attempt to create a false impression. In other words, YOU LIED! But then, that's nothing new!

Old SF MJT
08:57 PM on 09/22/2008
Shedances tells a half-truth. She claimed she took the definition of an 'assault weapon being military' from the GOA website. She did. But only a select portion of it. Here's what the have to say:

The primary fact is that a true "assault weapon" is a military firearm which can be fired either "automatically" (many shots per trigger pull) or "semi-automatically" (one shot per trigger pull). In other words, a true assault weapon is a machine gun which is already regulated by federal law.

The firearms that are covered by the so-called "assault weapons" laws are semi-automatic handguns, rifles and shotguns. Some of these firearms are made to look like a military-style weapon but are mechanically indistinguishable from the traditional-looking deer rifle. "

Now what did she say about 'half truths'?

The same as a lie?
08:38 AM on 09/23/2008
There was nothing wrong with the quote I had SPACE and time to include on the GOA. You are, I believe, trying to regain some 'lost face' here by taking both my ideas & my exact words ... and twisting them around so they lose their meaning. Pathetic, really, when you think about it.
08:47 AM on 09/23/2008
Kelli lied "I oppose all types of assault weapons, which ... according to the GOA is "a military firearm which can be fired either automatically ... or semi-automatically."

Sorry. You selectively edited a quote telling a 'half-truth' which, by your own words, is as bad as a lie.

What's pathetic is your feeble attempts to deny it.
12:41 PM on 09/23/2008
Kelli--there is a problem when you selectively use a partial quote to give a wrong impression.
06:37 PM on 09/22/2008
"I have always told you gunrights types, that I am not as moderate in my views as the Brady Campaign or others. I believe all assault weapons ~ regardless of popularity or market ~ and esp. those designed specifically for the military, should be prohibited from civilian use. That is my personal position."

Why?
06:42 PM on 09/22/2008
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

--H.L. Mencken
07:12 PM on 09/22/2008
Wishful thinking, ben. Firearms aren't hobgoblins. And when someone dies after being shot via a semi-automatic handgun, it isn't imaginary.
06:48 PM on 09/22/2008
I already wrote on this further down the thread ... you'll have to wait to see if it gets posted.
07:39 PM on 09/22/2008
Well, further down it also got a lot more crowded and harder to read, so I wanted to give you room hoping for an explanation. Take your time, just curious why you feel as you do on the subject.
02:17 PM on 09/22/2008
What the NRA is attempting to do now ~ in both DC & in Congress ~ is not that unlike someone trying to throw a saddle over the collective backs, if you will, of District residents, post-Heller, & forcing their own agenda. I hope those NRA-backed efforts die in the Senate.
02:38 PM on 09/22/2008
I'm sure they will. The people opposing it are more concerned w/ political maneuvering than w/ the rights of citizens.

I wonder what would be said by certain parties if an anti-gun bill was threatened w/ filibuster like this pro-rights bill is?
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03:58 PM on 09/22/2008
No one is forcing anyone in DC to do anything. Any DC resident who wishes to remain helpless in the face of armed criminals is perfectly free to do so. The 2nd Amendment does not require them to own a gun.

The NRA is attempting to assure that residents of DC have a choice, just like they were real Americans.

Imagine that.
04:23 PM on 09/22/2008
What makes you an expert on the NRA or its intentions, mike101/102?

In my personal view, the NRA is not helping the District of Columbia out here ... not by the longest shot & especially, not in an innocent sense. They are attempting, as they tried back in '04, to extend their guns & their hand, so-to-speak, into an area where they weren't successful (or probably even welcomed) in the past.
06:19 PM on 09/22/2008
No Mike102, the new law requires that all babies carry Ak47s and Uzis openly in the streets without a background check or licensing. This is a disaster waiting to happen and must be stopped, for the grown-ups.

(Disclaimer: I haven't actually read this in the bill, but my personal insight tells me this is true.)
10:53 AM on 09/22/2008
It's nice how politicians like Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein send Americans to get killed for Halliburton's stock price but don't trust same Americans to own a gun...

Very consistent!
12:00 PM on 09/22/2008
Senator Schumer reportely has a rare NYC concealed carry license, and Senator Feinstein once had one (and I'm sure has gun-armed bodyguards now).

Gun bans are for the "little people." It's OK for wealthy (and mostly white) people to own country-club skeet shotguns expensive big-game hunting rifles and/or hire armed security, but heaven forbid that a blue-collar worker should own a small-caliber rifle with a handgrip that sticks out or a 9mm pistol...
12:18 PM on 09/22/2008
Oh so now, you're gonna start putting out more negative information here on Calif. Sen. Dianne Feinstein ... a woman I know many of you have already written about on the blogs, that you apparently despise ~ because she's stood strongly in favor of important issues, like renewal of assault weapons ban (AWB), etc. ... & she won't cower before the gun lobby & the NRA.
01:51 PM on 09/22/2008
'Terminological inexactitude,' blueman55.
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05:00 PM on 09/22/2008
Balderdash, shedances.