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Paul Rieckhoff

Paul Rieckhoff

Posted: June 3, 2009 04:10 PM

Our Stop-Lossed Troops Deserve Their Overtime


In March 2004, Sgt. Mike Krause returned home from two back-to-back tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. With his Army contract set to expire in less than a year, Krause could begin to plan his future, starting with earning his college degree. But after just three months at home with their families, Krause and almost 40 members of his unit were stop-lossed. By October 2004, Krause was back in Iraq for a second year-long deployment. In just three years, he spent a total of 30 months in combat.

Since 2001, more than 170,000 troops like Sgt. Krause have been held past their enlistment contracts under the military’s “stop-loss” policy.  But it’s not just our servicemembers who have suffered. Their families have also had their reunions delayed, their lives disrupted, and their futures stalled.

In March, the Pentagon announced it would begin compensating these servicemembers for their overtime. But unless Congress acts today, thousands of veterans who were stop-lossed before October 2008, like Sgt. Krause, won’t see a dime in back-pay.

In no other profession would an employee work overtime and not be compensated, and the same must be true of our military. Given all of the sacrifices that our troops and their families have made, these payments are long past due.

In the next 48 hours, Congress is deliberating the fate of a critical provision that would close this gap and provide an average of $5,000 in retroactive payments to troops who have been stop-lossed.  Our veterans are counting on Congress to bring it to the President’s desk -- you can help make sure that happens.

The House and Senate are meeting to work out their differences on the 2009 war supplemental spending bill; currently only the House version includes the retroactive stop-loss payments. The vote on the bill will be happening in the next few days. If the Senate feels the pressure, the provision will be protected. And that will mean a huge impact on the lives of our troops.  

Now, more than ever, our servicemembers are relying on our lawmakers to do the right thing.  Call your Senators today, and let them know that you support retroactive payments for our stop-lossed troops. Our nation’s heroes deserve their overtime.

Crossposted at www.IAVA.org.

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UPDATE:

We just learned that Congress has delayed this vote until next week. The vote was expected to be today, but as everything in Washington, bi-partisan bickering over unrelated issues has brought this important provision to a standstill.

Please help keep the pressure on by calling your Senators, and telling them you support overtime payments for our nation’s heroes.  Your calls have already made a huge impact!

In March 2004, Sgt. Mike Krause returned home from two back-to-back tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. With his Army contract set to expire in less than a year, Krause could begin to plan his future, star...
In March 2004, Sgt. Mike Krause returned home from two back-to-back tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. With his Army contract set to expire in less than a year, Krause could begin to plan his future, star...
 
 
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10:25 PM on 06/06/2009
CALLING SENATORS NOW
THANK YOU PAUL FOR THE INFO!
WE ALL NEED TO BACK OUR TROOPS
05:44 PM on 06/04/2009
Overtime payments are the very least we owe them! What we should DEMAND is an end to our endless wars of aggression for Empire which make such inhumane, undemocratic policies as stop-loss "necessary"! We have not fought a truly defensive war since World War II.

Get them ALL home from Iraq, Afghanistan, and the more than 800 overseas military bases NOW! The global Corporatist/Militarist Empire we have built since at least 1898 has corrupted and all but destroyed what was left of our democracy. History teaches that empire and democracy are incompatible and mutually antagonistic. A corporate/military state such as ours can never be truly democratic, regardless of how it seems.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
04:22 PM on 06/04/2009
after reading the tone of some of these posts implying that our military doesn't "deserve" a little past due and inadequate financial recompense for their reliance on being treated decently by their own government........ and noting the general unwillingness of the populace to shoulder even a modicum of the burden a "war footing" should imply, (tax cuts anyone? oops only for those making over a half million in taxable income annually after shelters and deductions for "Business expenses" ) I wonder ever more strongly that we have such an incredible military that overwhelmingly lives up to the standards and values that have made us a great nation. Sometimes I truly think we don't deserve our military. (And don't even get me started on medical care for wonded veterans.......)
02:48 PM on 06/04/2009
Thanks for all the support, everyone!
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01:09 PM on 06/04/2009
I cannot understand how a member of congress could demand that GIs be treated like fodder, lied to and then told that there is no such thing as the 'Draft'.

The fortunate GI is the one that was discharged 8 years ago and then got a job with Blackwater where he could make more money than the General he once served under.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Blackwater employees are not more valuable just because they changed uniforms.

One last point. these 'conscripted' National Guard troops can't just resign whenever they choose. The high paid mercenary can take his wealth and move to Costa Rica whenever he/she feels like it.

It is time to end this involuntary servitude of military personnel or pay them for the job they do.
03:28 PM on 06/04/2009
In government it's called business as usual. It is our responsibility to look after the financial, medical and psychological well being of the men and women who serve this country.
12:33 PM on 06/04/2009
I am unsure after reading this post what back pay you are talking about. Salary employees (non hourly) working overtime do not get extra pay, although can take time off later as appropriate. Were these men/women not paid full time monthly pay during their deployments, or where they only paid the amount paid to normal weekend service at home? I was in the active Navy Reserve the first three years after I got discharged from active duty oh so many years ago, and although I don't remember what it was I got, I know that it was not much during the normal months but full time pay for the two weeks each year.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:35 PM on 06/04/2009
The thing is that their contract for employment was extended. That's why you will notice (if you go re-read the post and the legislation) you will note that it's NOT time and a half, it's just something extra for them that will be paid out.
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05:22 PM on 06/04/2009
There is a class of employees who are not required to be paid overtime. Troops do not meet the definition of overtime exempt.
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LeftRight
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09:02 PM on 06/04/2009
Technically they do, because they almost always work more than 8 hours in a day and 40 hours in a week, but are not paid OT for that...
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BannedNBoston
Is hemp legal yet?
12:13 PM on 06/04/2009
Obama is continuing the Iraq War he has lied about the withdrawal timeline.

Obama Has 250,000 'Contractors' Deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and is Increasing the Use of Mercenaries
10:59 AM on 06/04/2009
Some of you posters somehow believe that if you are a salaried employee than overtime pay is not even debatable. This is ridiculous. Teachers are salaried employees, yet they have a contract which details out exactly how many hours they are to work. This contract precludes overtime hours and thusly overtime pay. In other words Teachers under contract do not have to work overtime hours, but cant get overtime pay. The problem arises when the public (government) is not willing to pay for what is necessary to provide a decent public education, and as all teachers know an endless number of overtime hours are necessary if you are to be an effective teacher.
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05:23 PM on 06/04/2009
There are three classes, hourly, salaried, and salaried over-time exempt. Only the last class is not entitled to OT pay. Unfortunately, the government exempts itself from following most laws.
10:19 AM on 06/04/2009
Let us all picket and demonstrate for military fairness with a goal to form a Union. This will enable the troops to sit in on wartime planning in order to pick what battles to fight, what to avoid, all to reduce casualties at zero. Deployments will be no more than 60-days, w/ first class travel arrangements, back packs no heavier that five pounds, and floral cosmetic kits will replace grotesque shaving kits of old. Basic training shall last no more than 25 days, with an emphasis on softening any soldier's predeliction for combat violence, which is unacceptable in the new fighting force. Henceforth, all military units will march under a red banner bolstering comradeship.
09:59 AM on 06/04/2009
Keep up the great work Paul.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
08:35 AM on 06/04/2009
I want a TRIGGER LAW for STOP LOSS, that is NO STOP LOSS UNLESS There is a DRAFT.....
07:36 PM on 06/04/2009
I absolutely and 10000000000% agree with you, if these 2 wars are so vital to national security then EVERYONE should have to face the prospect of themselves or a loved one being sent to fight for their country. I strongly believe that both wars would already be over due to massive public protest if the draft had been reinstated from the outset and all Americans were asked to give more than lip service (or bumper magnets) in support of our troops and the wars they fight in.
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NoMoFearNoMoHate
08:18 AM on 06/04/2009
I disagree with you Paul.

The reality of war is ugly and unpredictable and does not respect someone's desire to lead a normal life nor work the standard 40 hour week - not even whatever the standard that might be expected in the military may be.

Surely you are aware that stop-loss is a contractual reality of the agreement that all soldiers agree to when entering the service.

I know you're just looking out for you and yours but the men and women of the armed services sign up for this and they were not guaranteed overtime pay in that contract or we would not be having this conversation.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
08:30 AM on 06/04/2009
They are not even beginning to talk about overtime pay... that would be $10000 per year, and what they are talking about is slavery,,,, your company cannot keep you from walking, but the ARMY CAN....That is wrong...
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NoMoFearNoMoHate
08:51 AM on 06/04/2009
No, it's not wrong.

Our Supreme Court has upheld it time after time and it is in the contract they sign when they hand their life to defending our countries liberties.

When they change the contract, I'm all for it. Mainly because it will make wars nearly impossible to fight and then we can do away with the military once and for all - talk about a tax break! No retroactive pay - they signed it, they need to live by it.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
10:05 AM on 06/04/2009
You're right, but the point is that this bill will change the contract so that anyone who is stop-lossed will be compensated.
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NoMoFearNoMoHate
11:17 AM on 06/04/2009
If we change the contract people could to try to leave, get stop-lossed and make more money because of it.

It could hurt retention and undermine morale the same as stop-loss itself but would cost the tax payers more.

It simply needs to be well known that this is part of the contract. Wars are not a matter of convenience and people need to be more upstanding and honest about the matter. They don't just end when you want them to or because the amount of time you wanted to fight it is up - which is what you signed up for in the first place, to fight a war. You're suggesting that as a war goes on we should pay people more for doing the same job? This would simply make the war more expensive as it goes on - which has its pros and cons.
03:11 AM on 06/04/2009
Mr. Rieckhoff, while I agree that service members should be fully compensated and personally believe no one deserves it more, your sub title is clearly erroneous. I do not receive time +1/2 after 40. in fact after 40hrs. my hourly compensation decreases. Yes, I am employed by a government contractor.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
07:04 AM on 06/04/2009
Are you an hourly employee? If you are, then you need to complain to several governmental regulators. If you are in a salary that provides no overtime pay, then I'm sorry to say you are SOL, the same as my wife!
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CatoTheCensor
02:35 PM on 06/04/2009
Yep. I work a minimum of 60 hours a week, and get paid for 40. No bonuses, no raises. That's probably just economic reality for anyone lucky enough to be employed in this market.
12:03 AM on 06/04/2009
As always thank you Paul ,you bring things to people's attention that is uncomfortable for them to see without going off in other directions but you don't stop ,thats what courage is about .
11:46 PM on 06/03/2009
I'd deploy for nothing. I dont even look at my LES. I wear Army green and have the red white and blue patch on my right shoulder. That's enough for me. I have a full time job and drill on the weekends. I dont count on the Army to pay my bills while I'm gone next year. But thnx for the thoughts and prayers. I have a feeling theres more to this bill than meets the eye.