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Paul Ryan Said Something That Should Force Him Off the Ticket, But You Probably Didn't Hear About It

Posted: 08/27/2012 8:14 am

Last week, Paul Ryan gave an interview in which, defending his position that there should be no excuses for abortion, he referred to rape as a "method of conception."

Wow, right? Talk about a benign euphemism. Rape -- RAPE! -- is now a "method of conception." You know, like love-making, just without the love.

There could be no greater testament to the utter abdication of responsibility by what passes for a "news" media in America in 2012 than that, despite the grotesquerie of this cavalierly callous comment, chances are better than good that this is the first you're hearing of it.

Here, watch it -- and try to figure out why this has gotten NO MAINSTREAM MEDIA play (not even here at the Huffington Post) despite it being, to my mind, a far more offensive remark than Todd Akin's imbecilic blurt of last weekend. What, are we tired of stupid remarks about rape now, so Ryan gets a free pass?

Given the demands for Akin's resignation from a mere Senate race when his musings on "legitimate rape" were publicized, what do you imagine the reaction would be if people were as familiar with VP wannabe Ryan's stunning statement? Might there be a cacophony of outrage? Might there be calls for his resignation from the ticket? Might there be a focus on how fundamentally oblivious these people who would make our laws are to not just women's but humans' rights and dignity? Sure, there might, but then of course people would have to have heard about it.

According to the man who would be the proverbial heartbeat away from the White House, and who in any event would -- given Romney's utter hollowness -- have an inordinate influence on the judicial appointments that will determine how much freedom our children get to live under, RAPE = "METHOD OF CONCEPTION." And yet, unless you're a frequenter of one of a dozen or so lefty blogs -- or my friend on Facebook -- you probably knew nothing about it.

I truly despair for the country my 14-year-old daughter is inheriting. That a remark this intensely revealing of the danger posed by this ticket can go basically unreported is as nauseating to me as the quote itself.

 
 
 

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Storyhill
08:33 PM on 10/23/2012
Put this out there!
01:18 PM on 10/20/2012
I think a man running for Vice President should most probably know that it is not the president to "makes policy" that is the job of congress.
10:19 PM on 10/19/2012
Thuis guy could be a heartbeat away from the presidency-and he thinks Rape is a method of conception?? REALLY? Americans better open their eyes to this ignorance! Romey's own constituents in Mass. Do not endorse him and Ryan is downright dangerous!
07:15 PM on 10/19/2012
The major media outlets have become more boring versions of ESPN. I cannot say I am the least bit surprised by this omission. It is par for the course.
07:25 PM on 10/17/2012
I'm going to be physically sick.
07:19 PM on 10/10/2012
Drawing conclusion from what he says. Tipycal! He said the method of conception does not change the definition of life, no one really listen anymore everyone isready to chop a head off becasue they do not like the smile. Incredible. We do not all have to agree, but if we disagree it should be on the ground of what was really said, not someoneles'sinterepretation of it. If one thinks the method of conception changes the definition of life, then you disagree, but to state he said that rape equal method of concetion is applying an interpretative bias It does not take a genious to see that the two statments are not equal.
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
04:59 AM on 10/13/2012
What Paul Ryan said is “the means of conception doesn’t change the definition of life”. In other words Paul Ryan isn’t asking the question about rape when shaping abortion legislation.

He has decided that rape shouldn’t be a factor when considering the issue of abortion; this makes him equally wrong, more heinous on the issue and unqualified to legislate.

What Todd Akin and Richard Rivard said was at least an effort to acknowledge the issue of rape in cases of abortion. While still being wrong they at least had some sense that rape is a valid reason for an abortion even if they define rape shamelessly.

In reality Paul Ryan made clear with his definition of life at the point of conception renders the means of that conception irrelevant to his ideas on legislating abortion exceptions. Then he cosponsored legislation with Todd Akin that would have redefined what qualified as rape for the purpose of limiting exceptions in the cases of rape.

In the case of Todd Akin and Roger Rivard they created a false premise about the idea of rape to justify their legislation on issues regarding abortion. What Paul Ryan did was diminish the issue of rape with his definition of life and regardless of either approach the outcome is the same. The men using different words shaped the same outcome so they may as well have used the same words they signed onto the same legislation for the same flawed reasoning.
05:37 AM on 10/10/2012
THIS IS SICK! I hope Joe Biden calls Ryan on this in the debate. Both are Catholics; yet, I doubt Biden and Ryan attend the same Church. This needs to go viral. But, be sure to warn people before watching it, to get a bag or a bucket in which to vomit.

Rape according to Ryan is just another "method of conception"
No, Paul, RAPE IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE. It doesn't matter if the victim is a woman, another man or a child.
If a man is raped by another man, what does he conceive—HIV????
04:41 PM on 10/13/2012
I just wander? How many of us that are up in arms about what we think was said or meant, who are so incensed about the seemingly insensitivity towards rape victimes and the issue in general, how many of us, I wander are actually activily involved in exending their efforts to help victims of such an horrific crime? How many of us, I ask again are actually doing something about besides throwing stones?
07:35 PM on 10/16/2012
Well, we can be certain Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are not among any of us "exending(sic) their efforts to help victims of such an horrific crime".
04:32 PM on 10/23/2012
One huge way to help those victims is to vote for Obama and not for Romney.
12:02 PM on 10/09/2012
The phrase "method of conception" was taken completely out of context making it seem a more callous remark than intended. When I initially read the phrase, stated apart from the whole, I was appalled. Once I read the statement, within its original context, it was not so shocking. Maybe Paul Ryan did not choose the same words to make his point as others, myself included, might have, but let's not twist his words to taint his intentions. For the record, I am an Obama supporter, and, let's face it, there are plenty of other blatant gaffes with which to cast aspersions on the Republican candidates--we certainly don't need to create more.
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Gay Pinder
02:30 PM on 10/09/2012
I totally agree.
07:16 AM on 10/10/2012
I know what you mean Deedra, I'm more appalled by his lies on President Obama's energy policies and the fact that the Senate hasn't passed the Ryan budget because it is not the remedy for creating jobs. He tells some whoppers just like Romney...he's just a bit more smooth about it.
05:32 PM on 10/07/2012
After you mentioned it I remembered hearing it. That was a cold and insensitive statement. I was raped when I was a teenager and the fear and stress that my parents and I endured waiting to see if I had conceived a child was torture. Shame on Paul for making that statement...and he should apologize. I am a republican.
Ben Ro
Straight but not narrow
04:35 PM on 10/11/2012
sorry to hear that, I hope you where able to recover.
08:12 PM on 10/11/2012
Thank you Ben. Yes I did recover. This was a long time ago but after years of internal emotional suffering, with God's help I learned how to live with this. Rape is something no one ever forgets but the key to moving forward is forgiving the person ...not easy, but with God's help it's possible.
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
06:04 AM on 10/13/2012
This is my point on what Paul Ryan said he makes the issue of abortion about the definition of life, diminishes the rape and then inflicts his definition of life on the victim of rape with legislation that would force them to conceive in his political moral utopia. That to me isn’t a value system I can support.

As a former Republican this ticket is one of the worst I have seen since Bush/Cheney. The top of the ticket is weak and holds any political position he needs to depending on the political season. The bottom of the ticket Paul Ryan has much more depth and is fiendishly clever in framing issues while still just as callous, the outcome is the same.

In any case of rape, incest or a mother’s health it isn’t the role of any government to take away their choices.

In the case of George Tiller the full term abortion doctor who was shot and killed, he had a plaque in his office it said two words “trust women”. It is not the job of a politician to make the decision for any woman on conception regardless of his definition of life.

I think the greater moral value would be to work against incest and rape but instead we debate over the outcomes of those crimes then passing legislation granting woman the moral options after that fact as if she committed the crime of conception.
12:36 AM on 10/07/2012
i really didn't think anything of it ... until you said something. i do not see anything wrong with it ...
what way can a child be conceived .... rape is one way ...
so like the wording or not rape would be the method of conception ... simply
being the way the conception took place ....
no problem here ...
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ms eve
10:20 PM on 10/01/2012
What's scarier than his position about rape is that he believes it is the president's job to make policy. No, Mr. Ryan, it is the job of the legislature to make policy and up to the Supreme Court to decide if that policy is legal. Maybe instead of spending his time attacking President Obama, Congressman Ryan needs to re-read the Constitution.
08:34 PM on 10/01/2012
twice he said "much more harder"
10:13 AM on 10/01/2012
Look, I am not a Paul Ryan fan. But I think this comment is being blown out of proportion. It is nothing like Todd Aiken's statement (which was just plain stupid). He didn't say rape was just another method of conception, but if a child is conceived after a rape, rape was THE method of conception. If you are going to go on the record as saying there is no excuse for abortion, you have to consider that rape might be the method that child was conceived. He did, and, despite what you or I might think, he is standing by his record. At least he is admitting rape can get a woman pregnant.
04:00 PM on 10/01/2012
I totally agree with you. He never said anything about legitimizing Rape. Al he is saying is that once a life has been conceived, it doesn't matter how it cam into being. Because this is another life we are talking about. He is saying we need to be accepting and accommodating and giving the same honour and rights to a child that comes into being as a result of Rape. Can people not see this as simple as this. Or some are just looking for a reason to speak.
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
06:20 AM on 10/13/2012
I keep hearing Paul Ryan defended in light of Todd Akin but they are the same. They both believe faith and science support their views on abortion and this was reinforced by Ryan in the debate with Biden recently. He repeated the “the means of conception doesn’t change the definition of life” sentiment and then appeared moderate with a bear hug for the current stance of Mitt Romney on the issue.

The problem is these aren’t retired old rednecks, sitting outside a store spewing racial slurs; they are men who shape legislation and policy. They sit in the White House, the Congress and the Senate deciding the fate of rape victims regarding abortion exceptions with their science and faith shaping it. This is something Paul Ryan said at the debate he wouldn’t separate his faith (definition of life) and understanding of science from his pro-life stance.

This is exactly what Todd Akin said his faith was right, his heart was right but his science was wrong, he knows better now, he’s sorry but it doesn’t change his stance.

The only difference between Paul Ryan and Todd Akin the latter had a patently false reason for understanding rape and the previous completely dismisses rape as an issue profoundly callous, he decides what matters is his definition of life. They both shape policy on abortion and people live with their failed facts and overzealous works of faith.
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RT Castleberry
04:34 PM on 10/01/2012
No, what he did was equate conception by rape with love. This is incredibly callous--and he doesn't even blink as he says it. This is appalling.
Ben Ro
Straight but not narrow
04:36 PM on 10/11/2012
well said!
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
06:25 AM on 10/13/2012
Great call...I've been trying to form those thoughts we agree there is something about this being appalling.
09:45 AM on 10/01/2012
His comment does speak a truth; some children are conceived as a result of rape. The problem arises from, by saying rape is a method of conception, he comes across as legitimizing it as a method of conception and reveals the lack of concern he feels for women that conceive as a result of rape. He displays absolutely no compassion for them.. He doesn't have the pressence of mind to take a second and express concern for their plight. His not doing so reveals a cold heart.
07:20 PM on 10/05/2012
As long as it doesn't affect him personally, he doesn't care.
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
06:24 AM on 10/13/2012
That's a pattern I see with the Romney/Ryan ticket. The top of the ticket can't empathize with workers who lost jobs as a result of his pursuit of wealth and the bottom of the ticket can't empathize with woman who are raped, victims of incest. That seems an awful lot like the entire party to me no war on women, no need for job stimulus.

I think Joe Biden got it right when he told Paul Ryan and his party to get out of the way stop with the complaining and get out of the way.
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Wisdo
semantics shamantics
08:52 AM on 10/01/2012
It's got no play because it literally doesn't make any sense. Its like randomly stringing words together.
07:22 PM on 10/05/2012
Ryan tends to do that a lot. Romney does, too.
11:27 PM on 10/10/2012
I wander if you guys are listenign to the same speech? He seems rather eloquent to me. This is being made to be a stetment about rape but it is a statment about the sacntitity of life. Just because you do not agree with his views does not mean you can put words in his mouth.
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evershiftingcenter
Never cut what you can untie.
06:46 AM on 10/13/2012
I agree Paul Ryan is eloquent on the subject when I first saw him say this I thought he was profoundly callous. In one sentence he’s said in issues of abortion (sanctity of life) the crime of rape; incest and the health of mother aren’t the priority. It’s the definition of life that should dictate the outcomes in those situations.

The problem Paul Ryan writes a check arguing the sanctity of life he doesn’t have to worry about covering because he knows it will never be cashed. He won’t have to sit in the rooms of rape victims forced by his definition of life conceive a child they didn’t want. He won’t sit with the family that loses a mother because she can’t opt out on birth because of health risks. It is easy to argue the sanctity of life when you aren’t the one sitting on the front lines of that battle when the people are strangers.

It is easy to legislate on the issue when you aren’t on the frontlines of that battle reducing the conversation to a simple sentence really creates profound political sound bites.

It’s what Regan did when he mandated the emergency rooms treat all people regardless of their ability to pay. It’s what they do they have all this moral compassion when they don’t have to pay for it.

They are the party of social compassion dine and dash they resent the check when it must be paid Paul Ryan included.