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Gen. Clark and That POW Thing McCain Hates Talking About


The knives sure are out for retired Gen. Wesley Clark.

In case you missed it: Interviewed by CBS' Bob Schieffer on Sunday's Face the Nation, Clark said that for all the national security experience John McCain claims, he never held a position of command during wartime. "I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war," Clark said. "He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility." Clark then continued, "But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air -- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it publicly?' He hasn't made those calls, Bob."

Then came this:

SCHIEFFER: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences, either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean --

CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

From the response of McCain's defenders in the press, you'd think Clark had claimed that John McCain was never really in Vietnam at all. CNN's Rick Sanchez described it with an incredulous expression as "dissing, some might say Swiftboating, John McCain's military record." ABC's Rick Klein accused Clark of "calling into question, in surprisingly sharp language, Sen. John McCain's military record." Over at the Wall Street Journal, Gerald Seib and Sara Murray were aghast: "The one certainty of the 2008 campaign, it might have seemed, was that Sen. John McCain would be acknowledged all around as a war hero for his service in Vietnam -- but apparently not."

Of course, they were just wrong: Clark didn't call McCain's record into question; he didn't say McCain wasn't a hero, and he sure as hell didn't "Swiftboat" McCain. Not only was he responding directly to Schieffer's question, using Schieffer's words, but he explicitly honored McCain's service. Those key pieces of context were left out of the reports that all three networks broadcast the next day, as well as many of the reports in newspapers and on television that followed. In The New York Times, Jeff Zeleny not only removed the context, but he simply repeated the McCain campaign's outrageously disingenuous charge that Clark was "impugning Mr. McCain's heroism."

But to understand why the press is reacting with such outrage, you have to understand what they've been saying about McCain for the last decade.

There's a myth out there that the McCain campaign and the media have cooperated to create. It says that John McCain is reluctant to exploit his Vietnam POW story for political advantage, so modest and full of integrity is he. We've seen this repeated again and again, not just by McCain and his supporters but by reporters who ought to know better.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

From the first time he ran for Congress in 1982 up to the present day, McCain has made his POW story the centerpiece of his entire political career. The key moment of that 1982 campaign was when he responded to his opponent's (absolutely true) accusation that McCain was a carpetbagger by saying, "As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi." At every point since, it has been the deft use of this tool that has brought McCain renewed attention or won him a key victory.

McCain has every right to talk about Vietnam all he wants -- it's his story, and no serious person has ever disputed the details. But don't tell us he's reluctant to use it, because he isn't. He talks about it to voters, he talks about it to contributors, he talks about it to reporters, he talks about it with seriousness, he jokes about it, and his campaign makes every attempt it can to remind people of what happened to him in Vietnam.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with that. But what happened with Gen. Clark reveals the McCain Rules, as he and the press would have us understand them. Here's how things are supposed to work: It's fine for the McCain campaign to run ads touting his time as a POW, create web videos touting his time as a POW, have him mention his time as a POW in speeches, and have him bring it up in debates (remember "I was tied up at the time"?). In other words, it's fine to have John McCain's entire presidential run be presented through the filter of his POW experience. Should, however, someone even ask the question of whether the fact that McCain was a POW really qualifies him to be president, that would be a deeply offensive affront to all that is right and good, and must not be tolerated. Talk about having it both ways.

Let's keep in mind that no one seems to have argued with Clark on the merits of his claim. No one responded by saying, "General Clark is wrong -- in fact, McCain's POW experience does qualify him to be president." I suppose one could make that argument, but I haven't seen anyone actually make it. Instead, what they have said is that Clark was out of bounds to even raise the issue. To even assert that McCain's Vietnam experience isn't in and of itself a qualification for the Oval Office is such an unforgivable transgression that its merits don't need to be addressed.

There is, however, one person who wouldn't disagree with Clark's statement that being a POW doesn't qualify you for the presidency. When asked by the National Journal in 2003, "Do you think that military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief?" this politician answered, "Absolutely not. History shows that some of our greatest leaders have had little or no military experience. ... I have advised [a presidential candidate] that I'd be very careful about how much you talk about that, because you don't want it to sound self-serving." The person who said that was John McCain, and the presidential candidate he was talking about was John Kerry.

For years, we've watched as reporters have dropped the fact that McCain was a POW into their stories, apropos of nothing, as if it were merely part of his name... John McCain, who was a POW in Vietnam, visited a farm to discuss the dairy industry. I kid, but it seems that any criticism of McCain's character is greeted with "But he was a POW!" When Howard Dean called McCain an "opportunist" back in April, Chris Wallace of Fox News indignantly asked Sen. John Kerry, "Do you think John McCain was an opportunist when he refused to take early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp?" Just last week, The Washington Post's Richard Cohen wrote that though McCain has flip-flopped on immigration, taxes, and a host of other issues, it's really OK, because "we know his bottom line. As his North Vietnamese captors found out, there is only so far he will go, and then his pride or his sense of honor takes over."

So when Gen. Clark, or anyone else, says that the fact that McCain suffered as a POW forty years ago is really neither here nor there when it comes to what the next president will be faced with, it's no surprise that McCain's fanboys in the media react with such high dudgeon. After all, to suggest that the POW story is only one piece of McCain's biography, and not the be-all-end-all on which the next president should be chosen, is as much an indictment of the press as it is of McCain.

Paul Waldman of Media Matters Action Network is the author or coauthor of four books on politics and media, including his most recent work, Free Ride: John McCain and the Media, coauthored with David Brock.

The knives sure are out for retired Gen. Wesley Clark. In case you missed it: Interviewed by CBS' Bob Schieffer on Sunday's Face the Nation, Clark said that for all the national security experience ...
The knives sure are out for retired Gen. Wesley Clark. In case you missed it: Interviewed by CBS' Bob Schieffer on Sunday's Face the Nation, Clark said that for all the national security experience ...
 
 
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shadow322
12:54 PM on 07/04/2008
I agree completely with General Clark. He was simply pointing out that Sen. McCain and his supporters imply that he somehow achieved command status in Vietnam when the reality is that his service record shows he was shot down by the North Vietnamese, captured by them and held as a prisoner of war. Good - he's my hero. Where in this does he acquire the skills to command and manage our country? McCain exploits his military record every time he talks but behind the scenes restricts public access to his entire military record.
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booker52
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12:40 PM on 07/04/2008
No offence to McCain but the whole POW thing is starting to be like Rudy and the 9/11 deal, that's your whole package you run on. Can you flesh it out a bit??? The saving and loan deal isn't something to brag about as that ruined alot of lives and alot pocketbooks. So tell me again what you want to run on?? It cannot be the Iraq war because this nation as a whole is tired of it and the debt is carries for us. We want our troops home and all you promise is more war and less jobs.
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gtalkspolitics
10:17 AM on 07/04/2008
Gen. Clark is correct!!! If we look at McCain w/out his military record in which he was shot down and held a prisoner than forced to give information against his country what do we have? another George Bush someone that can be told anything (tricked) into another another mindless war.
10:18 AM on 07/04/2008
Why is it that Republicans never "honor his service and heroism" when talking about CLARK?

Democrats and the media fill the airways with "blah blah blah,..McCain...hero...we honor his service...BUT......"

I haven't heard ONE PERSON--not even OBAMA!!!!--comment on what Clark said with a similar phrase.

Wesley Clark served our country for 30 years--and is, himself, a badly wounded war hero.

Why doesn't anyone ever say it? Why doesn't anyone ever call the Republicans out on the completely DISrespectful way they criticize Clark????

I'm so tired of conservatives and how they've intimidated Democrats and the media. Still!!! It's unbelievable, really.

Obama / Clark '08 -- that's still my favorite ticket.
03:05 PM on 07/04/2008
J Sinclair,

If you pay attention, you will notice that it isn't always important to "honor service and heroisim", only if the serviceman in question is also conservative.
After all, Jeremiah Wright is a Marine, like Jack Murtha, and we won't even start talking about the treatment John Kerry received. You never hear any complaints about tarnishing their service record (ask Max Cleeland, smeared as a coward by KARL ROVE, of all people), or doubting their commitment to our country. The fact that this inconsistency is NEVER noted by the media, just signals their complicit nature and should also dispel that tired old saw about the "liberal media".
Honor EVERYONE's service or NO ONES!!! As it is now, we only honor their service if they also joined the GOP after they were done. This is unacceptable and needs to be fought against, by ALL members of BOTH parties, as intelectually dishonest AND DEMEANING to ALL who served, no matter what party they joined after their service.
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funnyguy
12:51 AM on 07/04/2008
Only 19 pages of McCain's military record have been made public; 619 pages have not been. Every other candidate for president has made his military records public, including John Kerry. What is McCain hiding?
08:48 PM on 07/03/2008
I have read so much about Senator McCain's time as a POW, and quite frankly I'm tired of hearing about it. I have all kinds of pros and cons. As far as not wanting to talk about that time in his life, I have never met a military man or woman who wants to talk about what went on in "the war" (any war). I have had relatives who fought in every war the US has been in, beginning with the revolution. The only one who ever said anything at all was my Uncle Daryl; and the only reason he said anything was to SET ME straight. I made a comment about how cruel the Japanese were to the civilian populations and POWs. He said that some of the American soldiers were just as bad. One sergeant in particular had the skulls of two Japanese solderies mounted on his jeep. After that said, he never uttered another word about what he went through or had to do to survive.

Lets leave Senator McCain's POW time alone, and get with the things he really wrong about.
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JoeBlough
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06:16 PM on 07/03/2008
Vietnam was 40 years ago. Get over it. I and my friends have. He sounds like a one-trick pony.
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doctordoubt
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07:01 PM on 07/03/2008
Have to agree with that. Went there, did that, ain't going back, but I still respect the guys who do. Too bad the people who sent them there don't. And it scares me that we are talking about a man to lead this country when he was too dumb to dodge his plane. They teach avoidance in the academy, but all I see him avoiding is talking about what he really did. Seems like if he's so good, why is his war record all he talks about, and why can't anyone quiz him on it? And ah, there's his temper.
03:36 PM on 07/03/2008
Gen. Clark's argument that John McCain isn't qualified to be Commander-In-Chief (C-I-C) merely because he hasn't yet held executive office or yet ordered the bombs to drop and so forth is ridiculous. So what? If that's part of the criteria to be C-I-C, then neither of the current candidates is qualified to be C-I-C, only Gen. Clark himself (surprise, surprise) would meet and/or exceed such criteria. Ridiculous.
01:22 AM on 07/04/2008
He was responding to the suggestion that McCain's military experience made him unquestionably qualified. He did not suggest that Obama had military experience that McCain lacked.
02:31 AM on 07/04/2008
Anyone (even Tail-End Charlies) who have graduated from our Academies (Air Force, Coast Guard, Military, Naval) have been formally and extensively trained to make executive life-and-death military decisions under duress, which qualifies them to be Commander-In-Chief (C-I-C) even though very few of them ever aspire to that elected position or are called upon to make such decisions during their careers. That's what our Academies are all about, which is outputting trained officers who are ready, willing, and able to command the various services, and ultimately all of them at once if required, and John McCain is a Naval Academy graduate.

No such curriculum is offered where HRC or BHO graduated from, making them the only ones who are not qualified to be C-I-C by any criteria, other than their imaginations.
10:22 AM on 07/04/2008
I think the point isn't that he "isn't qualified because...."

I think the point is that his military experiences don't, in themselves, give him the knowledge, judgment, and leadership skills needed for the Presidency.

He also seems to feel being a POW makes him a military and foreign policy expert. It doesn't.

Clark had a good point--to question the way McCain uses his military service 30 years ago in his argument that he's more qualified to be President.

Unfortunately, the Republicans successfully swiftboated Clark--and, as usual, the Democrats (including unfortunately Obama himself) let it happen.
11:38 AM on 07/03/2008
Gen. Clark has earned the right to state his opinion and it seems pretty ridiculous to me that they would try to discredit him (who has a lifetime of service and sacrifice) for having that opinion.

He is right. The service is honorable but it does not mean McCain has the policies or temperament to be president.

As for swiftboating if that is what they call swiftboating they are a bunch of drama queens. To see swiftboating they need to look at what Bush and Rove were saying about McCain when McCain was running against G.W. Then McCain was a treasonous wingnut whose service had not been honorable. Then he was a Manchurian Candidate who had brainwashed by his captors.

The press didn't really make that big a fuss over them saying all those awful things about McCain but they seem to be losing their lunch over a GENERAL having the nerve to say that just being a POW may not give you any better skills to be PRESIDENT.

The press pick and choose their moments of indignation.
01:39 AM on 07/04/2008
Very well said Livvy.
11:27 AM on 07/03/2008
I have been reading a lot about John McCain and his less than stellar past. He questions Obama's word on passing on public financing...while John's failing word to his first wife should be fair game as well...and to question General Clark's reference to equating being a POW as a requisite for President...with what I have read about McBush's below average flight record, being a POW has much more to do with his flying ability and not so much a prerequisite to the Presidency...Jeffrey Skinner
02:12 AM on 07/03/2008
Wesley Clark is right.

I was watching Face the Nation this Sunday and cheered Clark's remarks. It is about time that someone has spoken up and started putting McSame's military service in the proper context. Clark was very complimentary of McSame’s service and only responded to Scheiffer’s rather accusatorial question about Obama not being a pilot and being shot down.

McSame doesn't have the temperament and judgment to be President in great part because of his military service. He was clearly heroic in his resistance to torture but outside of that he was mediocre at best both as a West Point Cadet and naval officer. More important though is that his Vietnam experience as a prisoner of war has clouded his judgment of the history of that war and military conflict, in general. While this mental framework is understandable, it does not make him a good choice for Commander in Chief. In addition, the rest of his policies as well as his obvious age and temper make him an undesirable candidate for President.
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He has become just another despicable, lying political hack instead of someone who has served with honor. His refusal to support the recent GI Bill and the bill to outlaw water boarding as well as his lies about and continued support for the occupation of Iraq are just some of the ways he has disgraced himself with consequences for the soldiers he purports to honor. He has very low ratings by just about every veteran’s organization
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02:41 AM on 07/03/2008
Well said!
01:53 PM on 07/03/2008
Here, here- well put.
09:03 AM on 07/03/2008
I am tired of hearing how McCain’s experience as a POW somehow qualifies him to be president. There were thousands of POW’s during the war that doesn’t mean the can lead the country. Let’s look at McCain’s accomplishments; he went to the Naval Academy and graduated in the bottom 1% of his class, (he most likely got in because of papa and grandpa being admirals). The Naval Academy, while being a good college, is not exactly MIT or Stanford. He then got a commission and became a fighter pilot and squadron commander (something rarely given to someone who’s was mediocre at the Academy, again papa and grandpa). He crashed a couple of planes got himself shot down and became a POW. After being released he returned to the Navy and soon realized he was not going anywhere and retired from the Navy and went into politics. This some how qualifies him as presidential material. McCain’s worldview is the same as the neocons now in power. This guy is no maverick his strings are being pulled by the same people who run Bush. Do we really want another Bush in power.
12:52 AM on 07/03/2008
Mr Waldman is absolutely correct. He dialed in the media wall around the McCain legend as accurately as anyone ever did.

The military tradition is self control and discipline. Clark knows McCain's real active duty history before and after the POW years and he never touched it. McCain was a loose cannon before he got shot down in the Navy, and he has been a loose cannon since. Republican senator Thad Cochrane is on tape today describing an incident in which McCain physically attacked a foreign diplomat while the two senators were on a diplomatic mission. That is more high school than white house.

Mr Waldman points out McCain's advice to Kerry. And follows with accurate characterizations how McCain campaigned on his POW legend and dined out for 35 years on it. McCain is one of those people whose heroism while based in fact has taken on an aspect that, as Mr Waldman notes, is forbidding. Why is that? Where was that consideration for three time purple heart awardee, John Kerry? Maybe it's time for a closer look at the McCain legend?

Mr Waldeman dials in the media accurately as well. Particularly disgusting are Mika Brzenski and Chris Matthews. One expects hacks like Reilly and O'Hannity and the other jingos at Fox to lie and dissemble about what Clark said, but MSNBC lying about Clark? Russert bought out just in time to avoid being part of that humiliation.

Anyways, thanks, Mr Waldeman for supporting the truth.
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10:37 PM on 07/02/2008
GENERAL CLARK IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN SAYING
THAT BEING IN A FIGHTER PLANE AND OR A POW IS NOT A
QUALIFICATION TO BE PRESIDENT.

ONE THING IS BEING IN THE ARMY
THE OTHER THING IS QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. DUH!
08:55 AM on 07/03/2008
Simply serving in the military qualifies you to be Commander in Chief about as much as working in a McDonald's qualifies you to own a restaurant... or working in a garage makes you a car manufacturer.

Thank you, General Clark, for having the nerve to say that the emperor has no clothes!
09:18 PM on 07/02/2008
There are simple truthand simplistic truths, and they are not the same. Mr. Waldman appears to prefer the simplistic.Mr. Clark's comments, and those of other Obama operatives on the same day were meant to offend Mr. McCain and harm him. Mr. Clark of course is that guy who while a Clinton operative denigrated Mr. Obama's experience and accomplishments, said other very unkind things about Mr. Obama, and stressed that only Ms Clinton was a viable alternative to Mr. McCain. Mr Clark's political career has not been a triumphant one. His political career has basically been that of carrying water for "real" politicians. He seemed to quickly climbed on the Obama bus after the Clinton loss, and his earlier Obama doubts quickly turned to praise for Mr. Obama. Sadly for Mr. Clark, he has now been thrown under that Obama bus, to join others of the Obama fallen stars: the unusual clergy, the defrocked realtor, and the retired terrorists.
08:02 PM on 07/02/2008
"Let's keep in mind that no one seems to have argued with Clark on the merits of his claim. No one responded by saying, 'General Clark is wrong -- in fact, McCain's POW experience does qualify him to be president.'"

Paul, this is in the middle of your piece but I think it should be the lead. This is the real issue. The press and flak are always pouncing on the peripheral and yanking it to the center. They are great at talking about the things that don't matter to the detriment of understanding. When you call them on it, don't re-enforce their dodge by making the dodge your topic but state clearly at the beginning what the topic should be. If such corrections are made often enough, maybe they will get the hint.