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Penny Herscher

Penny Herscher

Posted: January 14, 2011 08:21 PM

Google is getting cluttered up in a way that is now starting to impact its usefulness as a search engine -- and we users need a better solution. There has been a tirade from a number of writers over the last few months driven both by Google getting significantly worse and by the pending IPO of the kings of the new content wave, Demand Media.

The answer to the spam problem is that the search engine you use for a task needs to have some understanding of what type of answer you are looking for. Once you, as a user, can tell the engine what you care about, a good search system can present results to you that are relevant and useful. And many of the new generation of tools don't look and feel like a search engine. They feel like a specialized app but, like Google, they use a mix of search results and databases. For example Kayak runs a federated search across travel sites for you to find you travel options. Yelp helps you find reviews. CitySearch finds you things to do and places to go in a new city. FirstRain finds you the latest updates impacting your business. Hoovers finds you information on companies.

This new generation of tools also understands time. There is nothing more annoying than trying to research something and every search you run you see old results. Whether you are a consumer hunting for product reviews (as blogger Paul Kedrosky was a few months ago) or a salesperson wanting to understand his or her prospects or a patient searching for help with medication interactions -- in all cases you want the latest updates, not spammy results or old results.

We, as users, have to get smarter at finding the services that will help us save time. Lazily relying on one tool -- Google -- sets us up to be manipulated. The WSJ reported there is increasing evidence that Google is changing its algorithms to rank its own content higher and so subjecting us to their monoculture -- and "increasing uselessness". As Alan Patrick says: "Google's problem is [] that it is trying to navigate a line between income (systemically the more spam there is, the more Ad money it makes) and usefulness (how much spam can you run before the user walks away) and has veered too far to the spamside."

If we don't want to tolerate the gibberish of the spam sites then we need to be smarter and use the search apps designed for our individual interests, not the search app that assumes we are all the same. It's time.

 

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Google is getting cluttered up in a way that is now starting to impact its usefulness as a search engine -- and we users need a better solution. There has been a tirade from a number of writers over ...
Google is getting cluttered up in a way that is now starting to impact its usefulness as a search engine -- and we users need a better solution. There has been a tirade from a number of writers over ...
 
 
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04:57 PM on 01/20/2011
HA! I had written the meta code for noindex, nofollow after the word "source" in my prior comment not knowing this board would ignore it because of the brackets..
04:55 PM on 01/20/2011
When you go out a few pages on Google or many other engines I tried you eventually come to pages that appear to be nothing other than lists of words, (for vocabulary, spelling, whatever) that happen to include the words you are searching on. I would have thought that Google would be smart enough by now to automatically exclude pages like those.

Anyone who has pages like those should add to their source.
11:18 AM on 01/19/2011
One of the biggest challenges for Google is how to separate the wheat from the chaff when an otherwise legitimate Web site churns out keyword-driven pages that have little or no content. ("Stubs," to use a term favored by Wikipedia.) Example: How does Google discourage a tech site from publishing "reviews" that are merely automated price-comparison pages with invitations to "Write a review?" If Google penalizes the site, searchers will be deprived of useful results. If Google is too lax, the site will clutter up its search results with filler pages.

Content farms like Demand Media also present a challenge, because some of their content is useful even if many of their articles are junk. For example, if I want to know how to replace a faucet washer, a 200-word eHow article may all I need.

Fortunately, Google's Personalized Search is a big step toward controlling spam. If Google can tell, by studying my past searches, that I think pages from Site X are a waste of time, I won't see many pages from that site at the top of my search results.

One last thought: The best way to avoid spam results is to search more intelligently. Don't search for "widgetco camera." Instead, search on "widgetco wc-1 camera reviews" or "widgetco wc-1 camera specifications." Chances are, you'll find what you need, and you won't have to dig through 500 dealer or affiliate pages to get the information you're looking for.
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05:02 PM on 01/18/2011
Google has become less and less useful for me - most times I do a search, I'm looking for information - more and more, I get commercial sites trying to sell me something.

For example, every now and again I want to convert some sort of measurement - usually metric to, an, non-metric inch-foot-yard It used to be \a search for -convert inch- (or whatever) got me an online conversion site.

Now, it mainly gets me sites that want to sell me a conversion application or otherwise install something on my machine.

We used to call the internet the "information superhighway." With Google, it has become the "impenetrable forest of bill boards with a information path buried in the underbrush."
04:33 PM on 01/18/2011
Author should fully disclose ties to any companies mentioned in this article. For example, she does not disclose that she is Pres. and CEO of FirstRain.

There is a line between a serious bit of technology critique and bashing the primary competition. This article crosses it.
11:07 AM on 01/18/2011
google sucks now; most things aren't even relevant to my search
01:52 PM on 01/17/2011
Would it be possible to have a piggy-back piece of software that uses Google for one's search then deletes the spam? Especially the first ones that use site names randomly.
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DanBeach
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DanBeach
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01:20 PM on 01/17/2011
Boolean Logic...use it for your searches
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RJWalkerStuff
05:23 PM on 01/18/2011
A nice feature, but falls far short of searches which are time delimited or, like Nexis/Lexis, allow proximity searches: raining and cats w/in 2 dogs

And that still leaves all the commercial stuff with plain old information
11:02 AM on 01/17/2011
Google doesn't work well anymore.
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satanlite
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11:59 PM on 01/15/2011
I've noticed the creep for months now.  It makes you waste a lot of time until you finally wind up with a creative batch of key words that get you close to what you really want, and then end up having to wade through a smaller subset of stores (even if your not looking to buy anything - you just wont information on some topic)  thinking you want to buy something from them based on a mysterious connection the search engine is pushing.
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11:11 PM on 01/15/2011
You can filter to get only new results on google. But as far as I've been able to find, you can't filter to exclude new results. More often, that's what I want to do. When something is in the news, recent chatter often makes it nearly impossible to find old news.
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07:19 PM on 01/15/2011
The real problem is that the richest person can buy the spot at the top of the page in the sponsored links. And then they can run thousands of computers worldwide to get their links at the top of the regular results.

If you search political issues, the top links are usually paid spots by some right wing front group sponsored by david koch...and ditto for the regular results...all leaeding to fake studies by the heritage foundadion...also funded by david koch.

We live in a world of propaganda.
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Geauterre
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06:58 PM on 01/15/2011
Sharp eyes. The Internet is getting cluttered with junk-laden engine systems that get more sillier by the day.
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FDMNews
06:27 PM on 01/15/2011
Excellent post! I have been noticing the very same thing, and find it annoying. Still, I am left with a sense that this whole new approach to monetizing everything is dumbing down our view of the world, when theoretically, it was supposed to OPEN up the world. I am old enough to remember when it did just that, and what a wonder it was to explore the world.
I have been contemplating a different approach to the entire thing all together.